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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #420 on: March 10, 2016, 01:28:33 AM »
How much is Mitt Romney winning by now?

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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #421 on: March 10, 2016, 02:17:40 AM »
yeah living in america fuckin sucks i wish i lived someplace that was beating us at the trade game like china or brazil those places are awesome i wish we were great like china

i hate that actual retarded people are taking over our contry

This is a non sequitur. I praised China's trade policies, not their country in general. Their currency manipulation and trade management is amazing for such a large nation.

How much is Mitt Romney winning by now?

Actually he just filed his papers for the RNC nomination and said accepting the nomination from a brokered convention "isn't out of the question." Romney, like Cruz, thinks he is God's chosen one. Grade-A whacko. Also, THIS!



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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #422 on: March 10, 2016, 05:46:12 AM »
yeah living in america fuckin sucks i wish i lived someplace that was beating us at the trade game like china or brazil those places are awesome i wish we were great like china

i hate that actual retarded people are taking over our contry

This is a non sequitur. I praised China's trade policies, not their country in general. Their currency manipulation and trade management is amazing for such a large nation.

frustrated hyperbole.  forgive me; i just kinda can't believe we're back to voting for the angriest and most rage-filled ultranationalist idiot we can find.  i feel like history has been down the rage-filled ultranationalist road before a whole bunch of times and maybe let's try something different and less fucking terrifying.

american conservatism has a proud history of intellectualism that's been shit on for half a century, and apparently this is where we are now.  awesome.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #423 on: March 10, 2016, 07:38:18 AM »
I don't know what Americans are so terrified of. It's not a dictatorship, presidents can't simply pass anything they want into legislation. However, if you look at Trump's policies that are actually reasonable, they're not that bad:

-anti-TPP
-reducing trade deficits
-bringing back overseas money on a single-time tax
-health care reform
-improved relations with Russia

Meanwhile, Bernie has:

-?????????????????????

Let's be real, if we lived in a world where American presidents could act on all their promises, Bernie would destroy the American economy much faster than Trump would. But thankfully that is not the case, and presidents are little more than representative leaders, so Trump is obviously the much better choice. Can you even imagine Bernie negotiating with Putin? He would get eaten alive.

Of course, if all you want is a safe and sure president, you should vote for Hillary. She's easily the best diplomat with the most experience out of the viable candidates, and she's nothing but a Democratic Party sockpuppet whose policies are dead center on the status quo with no intent to ever change it. But it's pretty obvious American voters are tired of politics being handled in that manner, and who even knows what's going to happen with her indictment?

Basically, this election is a shitfest with no real good options, so people are just directing their pent-up frustrations to the candidate who speaks to them the most. And honestly, I think it speaks pretty highly of American voters that they can see past the deplorable smear campaign perpetrated by the mainstream media against Trump (well, at least some of them can). Regardless of the election results, people are waking up and beginning to distrust the media and see the obvious strings.

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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #424 on: March 10, 2016, 02:16:26 PM »
Sanders and Clinton promised a Univision moderator not to deport a single person during their presidency during last night's debate.

Wow, I sure am glad I'm voting for the candidate who will actually enforce my country's laws.

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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #425 on: March 10, 2016, 04:11:17 PM »
If we go by his previous business ventures, he'll abandon it prior to completion.  Hope his VP pick is good.

Can you please cite the ventures he's abandoned and ones he hasn't so that we can compare them side by side? Thanks.
I'm not sure I can. 
This one I'm most thinking of but not as abandoned as I thought:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/12/donald-trump-scotland-golf/421065/

And of course, this.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-mortgage-failed-heres-what-that-says-about-the-gop-front-runner/2016/02/28/f8701880-d00f-11e5-88cd-753e80cd29ad_story.html

But eh.  Whatever.  Point is, he's a business man.  If there's no profit, why keep going?

What? In what universe does that make sense? Hillary's a mother so she'll bake cookies for America. Sanders is a Yankee so he'll go to war with the South. Trump is a businessman so he will quit if he's not making a profit.

This may shock you Dave, but people are more than their titles. You fire off all these things you're clearly parroting from whatever Facebook feeds you follow, and when asked to back up your assertions your response is, "I'm not sure I can." How about instead of regurgitating whatever you read that aligns with your presuppositions, you state things you can handle.  Lets start with a small one:

Trump is going to make America great again. (You should repeat this often.)

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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #426 on: March 10, 2016, 05:11:14 PM »
Sanders and Clinton promised a Univision moderator not to deport a single person during their presidency during last night's debate.

Wow, I sure am glad I'm voting for the candidate who will actually enforce my country's laws.

They promised they wouldn't deport kids and illegal immigrants who don't have criminal records.  I doubt they would keep that promise, though.

Regardless of the election results, people are waking up and beginning to distrust the media and see the obvious strings.

What?  People don't trust the media?  This is a radical new concept that might just be too edgy and subversive for me to wrap my mind around.

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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #427 on: March 10, 2016, 05:31:17 PM »
If we go by his previous business ventures, he'll abandon it prior to completion.  Hope his VP pick is good.

Can you please cite the ventures he's abandoned and ones he hasn't so that we can compare them side by side? Thanks.
I'm not sure I can. 
This one I'm most thinking of but not as abandoned as I thought:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/12/donald-trump-scotland-golf/421065/

And of course, this.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-mortgage-failed-heres-what-that-says-about-the-gop-front-runner/2016/02/28/f8701880-d00f-11e5-88cd-753e80cd29ad_story.html

But eh.  Whatever.  Point is, he's a business man.  If there's no profit, why keep going?

What? In what universe does that make sense? Hillary's a mother so she'll bake cookies for America. Sanders is a Yankee so he'll go to war with the South. Trump is a businessman so he will quit if he's not making a profit.

This may shock you Dave, but people are more than their titles. You fire off all these things you're clearly parroting from whatever Facebook feeds you follow, and when asked to back up your assertions your response is, "I'm not sure I can." How about instead of regurgitating whatever you read that aligns with your presuppositions, you state things you can handle.  Lets start with a small one:

Trump is going to make America great again. (You should repeat this often.)

I can't due to the size of the list involved.  Magazines, steaks, golf courses, and a multitude of other companies and buildings.  I have neither the time nor the access to his personal portfolio to find every single business he's ever started.  I doubt you could either.

Sanders is a politician.
Clinton is a politician.
Trump is a businessman.
To claim that their career experience would not strongly influence their presidency is ignorant.

But how about this statement:
I hope America gets the tyrant it wants.  I hope Donald Trump spits in the face of allies and enemies alike.  I hope he rips apart NAFTA, economically fucks China, and violates the 4th amendment finding all the illegals.

I'll be here in a civilized country, avoiding America.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #428 on: March 10, 2016, 07:02:55 PM »

I can't due to the size of the list involved.  Magazines, steaks, golf courses, and a multitude of other companies and buildings.  I have neither the time nor the access to his personal portfolio to find every single business he's ever started.  I doubt you could either.

Ohhhhh, so you meant to say that you heard he filed bankruptcy a couple times and closed a few projects before completion and in your ignorance of business you assumed that's the scarlet-letter mark of a failed businessperson. Gotcha.

Perhaps -- and this one's gunna blow your mind -- perhaps John Oliver doesn't know everything about everything and his show is -- hold on! -- just out to make ratings.

Sanders is a politician.
Clinton is a politician.
Trump is a businessman.
To claim that their career experience would not strongly influence their presidency is ignorant.

But that's not what you said is it? You said that because he's a businessman he will quit when there is no profit in it. You're just backpedaling now that you've been shown the inanity in your statement. However, as you appear to have forgotten, we are on a forum and I (or anyone really) can scroll up or click back to see what you said. I'm doing it now, lets see... Yep, Dave said that if there is no profit in it, Trump won't keep going. Looking for the part where you said say that their career will influence a politician's presidency... looking... looking... looking...
Nope, seems like you just made that shit right up when you were pressed on your ridiculous statements. If, perhaps, that's the message you meant to convey all along, then may I suggest you be more cognizant of the words you use. It will alleviate all this double-speaking backtalk you have to do to qualify all your statements and get us back on topic about how Trump will make America great again.

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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #429 on: March 10, 2016, 07:50:10 PM »
I'll be here in a civilized country, avoiding America.

The country you're staying in has some of the strongest immigration laws on the planet,   Dave. You're one to talk about Trump when you live in a place described as one of the most xenophobic places in Europe.

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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #430 on: March 10, 2016, 08:30:50 PM »

I can't due to the size of the list involved.  Magazines, steaks, golf courses, and a multitude of other companies and buildings.  I have neither the time nor the access to his personal portfolio to find every single business he's ever started.  I doubt you could either.

Ohhhhh, so you meant to say that you heard he filed bankruptcy a couple times and closed a few projects before completion and in your ignorance of business you assumed that's the scarlet-letter mark of a failed businessperson. Gotcha.
Hold on... Where did I say he's a failed businessman?  He's obviously not as he holds a lot of properties, casinos, brands, tv shows, etc...  Why he wishes to give them up to be president, however, is an interesting question.

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Perhaps -- and this one's gunna blow your mind -- perhaps John Oliver doesn't know everything about everything and his show is -- hold on! -- just out to make ratings.
British Documentary, actually.  On Norwegian television.
Also, Trump is out to make money and an image.  At least, he has been for 30+ years.

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Sanders is a politician.
Clinton is a politician.
Trump is a businessman.
To claim that their career experience would not strongly influence their presidency is ignorant.

But that's not what you said is it? You said that because he's a businessman he will quit when there is no profit in it. You're just backpedaling now that you've been shown the inanity in your statement. However, as you appear to have forgotten, we are on a forum and I (or anyone really) can scroll up or click back to see what you said. I'm doing it now, lets see... Yep, Dave said that if there is no profit in it, Trump won't keep going. Looking for the part where you said say that their career will influence a politician's presidency... looking... looking... looking...
Nope, seems like you just made that shit right up when you were pressed on your ridiculous statements. If, perhaps, that's the message you meant to convey all along, then may I suggest you be more cognizant of the words you use. It will alleviate all this double-speaking backtalk you have to do to qualify all your statements and get us back on topic about how Trump will make America great again.
My appologies, allow me to clarify:
Trump is a successful businessman.  He is worth a few Billion in assets.  He is not stupid.  As a smart, successful businessman, he will not waste time on failed ventures.  He will not continue to dump money into a non-profitable company without thinking it will be profitable.  He will abandon anything that will damage his image or his fortune and fight, very very hard, to maintain both.

So, I expect a Trump presidency to be full of force, policy changes based on current need, and the interests of Trump's presidency and image to be more important than other people or the nation.  He will make himself great.  And nothing anyone says will persuade him that he's succeeded.


Maybe that's what you want.  Maybe that's what America wants.  But when president Trump is told No by congress for the first time, something he isn't accustomed to, it will not be pretty.  I look forward to it.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #431 on: March 10, 2016, 08:32:25 PM »
I don't know what Americans are so terrified of. It's not a dictatorship, presidents can't simply pass anything they want into legislation. However, if you look at Trump's policies that are actually reasonable, they're not that bad:

-anti-TPP
-reducing trade deficits
-bringing back overseas money on a single-time tax
-health care reform
-improved relations with Russia

he doesn't frighten me because i think he's going to be a despot.  he frightens me because he represents the abandonment of substance for form.  rushy's post basically spells out what i think all trump supporters share in common: the belief that it doesn't matter how dogshit trump's policies are so long as he says all the right ultranationalist keywords in all his speeches.  i am frightened by the belief that it doesn't matter what trump says so long as he is angry, hateful, and insulting.  those are poor qualities in anyone, let alone in the president.

and for some reason none of these supporters have managed to yet figure out that psst hey you know that he could just be saying whatever he thinks you want to hear, right?  it's mind-boggling.  like maybe when he says "we're going to slash taxes and slash the budget and also keep social security spending and medicare/medicaid spending and increase military spending," we should all take a moment to reflect on how dumb that is and tell him to get lost.  it frightens me to think that maybe he could walk out on stage and declare that he's going to cut taxes to zero and increase military spending to infinity, and maybe he wouldn't lose any supporters in the process.

his trade deficit talk is just as outrageous, but again his supporters just lap it up because "yeah fuck china go america we rule they drool hahahaha!"  he displays either an ignorance of economics so profound that it should be immediately disqualifying, or a willingness to lie that should be equally discrediting.  trade deficits are not indicators of poor economic output.  if anything, the opposite is true.  this is because current account deficits are balanced by capital account surpluses.  by definition.  basically everything that trump says about trade deficits is breathtakingly, unforgivably wrong.  he appears to fundamentally misunderstand how our economy works.

http://usa.usembassy.de/etexts/econ/eop/2006/2006-6.pdf
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A country’s capital account balance reflects its net sales or purchases of assets with other countries. Its current account balance reflects its net sales or purchases of goods and services with other countries along with net flows of income and transfer payments. The current account and capital account must exactly offset one another. This means the value of a current account surplus will be mirrored by the value of a capital account deficit, and a current account deficit will be mirrored by a capital account surplus of equal value.
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In 2004 (the most recent calendar year for which data exist), the United States ran a current account deficit of $668 billion. This deficit meant the United States imported more goods and services than it exported. The counterpart to the U.S. current account deficit was a U.S. capital account surplus. This surplus meant that foreign investors purchased more U.S. assets than U.S. investors purchased in foreign assets, investing more in the United States than the United States invested abroad. By economic definition, a country’s current and capital account balances must offset one another. Therefore, the U.S. current account deficit was matched by a capital account surplus of $668 billion.
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Because foreigners invested more in the United States than the United States invested abroad, the United States received net foreign capital and financial inflows (hereafter called net capital inflows). Countries like the United States that run capital account surpluses and current account deficits receive net foreign capital inflows.
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What factors encourage large and persistent U.S. foreign capital inflows? Several factors, which reflect U.S. economic strengths, encourage these
inflows. In particular, a high rate of U.S. growth encourages foreign capital to be “pushed” toward the United States.
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In principle, the United States can continue to receive net capital inflows (and run current account deficits) indefinitely provided it uses these inflows
in ways that promote its future growth and help the United States to remain an attractive destination for foreign investment. The key issue concerning U.S. foreign capital inflows is not their absolute level but the efficiency with which they are used. Provided capital inflows promote strong U.S. investment, productivity, and growth, they provide important benefits to the United States as well as to countries that are investing in the United States.

http://www.cato.org/publications/trade-policy-analysis/tradebalance-creed-debunking-belief-imports-trade-deficits-are-drag-growth
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The consensus creed is based on a misunderstanding of how U.S. gross domestic product is calculated. Imports are not a “subtraction” from GDP. They are merely removed from the final calculation of GDP because they are not a part of domestic production.

Contrary to the prevailing view, imports are not a “leakage” of demand abroad. In the annual U.S. balance of payments, all transactions balance. The net outflow of dollars to purchase imports over exports are offset each year by a net inflow of foreign capital to purchase U.S. assets. This capital surplus stimulates the U.S. economy while boosting our productive capacity.

An examination of the past 30 years of U.S. economic performance offers no evidence that a rising level of imports or growing trade deficits have negatively affected the U.S. economy. In fact, since 1980, the U.S. economy has grown more than three times faster during periods when the trade deficit was expanding as a share of GDP compared to periods when it was contracting. Stock market appreciation, manufacturing output, and job growth were all significantly more robust during periods of expanding imports and trade deficits.

https://www.aei.org/publication/another-name-for-trade-deficit-is-capital-account-surplus-balance-of-payments-always-0/
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As a direct consequence of our current account deficits, the U.S. economy has been the beneficiary of more than $8 trillion worth of capital inflows from foreigners since 1980.  Because the Balance of Payment accounts are based on double-entry bookkeeping, the annual current account and capital account have to net to zero, so that any current account (trade) deficit (surplus) is offset one-to-one by a capital account surplus (deficit) and the balance of payments therefore always nets out to (equals) zero. And that’s why it’s called the “balance” of payments, because once we account for trade flows and capital flows, everything balances, and there are no deficits or surpluses on a net basis.


if you want to decry the lack of manufacturing jobs available in the us, then blame robots, not china.  china has very little to do with it.  manufacturing output continues to increase in the us.  that jobs don't keep up with the increase is a function of the increased output of workers, not trade policy: http://conexus.cberdata.org/files/MfgReality.pdf


what ultimately disappoints me is not that trump couldn't pass a macro final or whatever.  i couldn't, and i can't pretend to understand how our economy works.  but it really didn't take me that long to find a slew of experts in economics all saying "uh, you know current account deficits are actually fine, and if anything they only happen because our economy is so fucking rad to maxxxxxxxx."  if there are economic experts out there who agree with trump's characterization of our economic relationship with china, i'm struggling to find them.

oh look another obnoxiously long gg post.  neat.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #432 on: March 10, 2016, 08:56:33 PM »

I can't due to the size of the list involved.  Magazines, steaks, golf courses, and a multitude of other companies and buildings.  I have neither the time nor the access to his personal portfolio to find every single business he's ever started.  I doubt you could either.

Ohhhhh, so you meant to say that you heard he filed bankruptcy a couple times and closed a few projects before completion and in your ignorance of business you assumed that's the scarlet-letter mark of a failed businessperson. Gotcha.
Hold on... Where did I say he's a failed businessman?  He's obviously not as he holds a lot of properties, casinos, brands, tv shows, etc...  Why he wishes to give them up to be president, however, is an interesting question.

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Perhaps -- and this one's gunna blow your mind -- perhaps John Oliver doesn't know everything about everything and his show is -- hold on! -- just out to make ratings.
British Documentary, actually.  On Norwegian television.
Also, Trump is out to make money and an image.  At least, he has been for 30+ years.

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Sanders is a politician.
Clinton is a politician.
Trump is a businessman.
To claim that their career experience would not strongly influence their presidency is ignorant.

But that's not what you said is it? You said that because he's a businessman he will quit when there is no profit in it. You're just backpedaling now that you've been shown the inanity in your statement. However, as you appear to have forgotten, we are on a forum and I (or anyone really) can scroll up or click back to see what you said. I'm doing it now, lets see... Yep, Dave said that if there is no profit in it, Trump won't keep going. Looking for the part where you said say that their career will influence a politician's presidency... looking... looking... looking...
Nope, seems like you just made that shit right up when you were pressed on your ridiculous statements. If, perhaps, that's the message you meant to convey all along, then may I suggest you be more cognizant of the words you use. It will alleviate all this double-speaking backtalk you have to do to qualify all your statements and get us back on topic about how Trump will make America great again.
My appologies, allow me to clarify:
Trump is a successful businessman.  He is worth a few Billion in assets.  He is not stupid.  As a smart, successful businessman, he will not waste time on failed ventures.  He will not continue to dump money into a non-profitable company without thinking it will be profitable.  He will abandon anything that will damage his image or his fortune and fight, very very hard, to maintain both.

So, I expect a Trump presidency to be full of force, policy changes based on current need, and the interests of Trump's presidency and image to be more important than other people or the nation.  He will make himself great.  And nothing anyone says will persuade him that he's succeeded.


Maybe that's what you want.  Maybe that's what America wants.  But when president Trump is told No by congress for the first time, something he isn't accustomed to, it will not be pretty.  I look forward to it.

That's much more clear. I'm glad you could finally articulate this idea.

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« Reply #433 on: March 10, 2016, 09:15:08 PM »

Just wondered which era of American history you would turn the clocks back too? It's always a bit of a mystery when I hear people harking back to the golden age as they seem to cherry pick bits from here and there, forgetting all the shit that went with it.
The British nationalist have some mythical amalgamation of Richard the lion-heart (a particularly bad time to be in Britain if you know your history) and the height of the Victorians (see Dickens for the down side), so when was America great?
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« Reply #434 on: March 10, 2016, 09:21:33 PM »

Just wondered which era of American history you would turn the clocks back too? It's always a bit of a mystery when I hear people harking back to the golden age as they seem to cherry pick bits from here and there, forgetting all the shit that went with it.
The British nationalist have some mythical amalgamation of Richard the lion-heart (a particularly bad time to be in Britain if you know your history) and the height of the Victorians (see Dickens for the down side), so when was America great?
The 20s or 50s.
We were fresh from the war, great economy, everyone was happy except for those who were socially oppressed (but who cares about them, am I right?).  Plus we got "In God We Trust" put on our money and "Under God" in our pledge in the 50s.  What's not to love?
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« Reply #435 on: March 11, 2016, 03:42:38 AM »
so when was America great?

1980 to 1988.

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« Reply #436 on: March 11, 2016, 03:43:44 AM »
The 90s were pretty fucking sweet too.
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« Reply #437 on: March 11, 2016, 04:32:43 AM »
The 90s were pretty fucking sweet too.

Damn right. I grew up in the 90s so nostalgia is a factor but everything seemed better, before we had smart phones and social media, before the internet was weaponized into a weapon of mass distraction.

But there was a pretty bad crack epidemic we delt with for a while.

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« Reply #438 on: March 11, 2016, 04:43:05 AM »
I don't know what Americans are so terrified of. It's not a dictatorship, presidents can't simply pass anything they want into legislation. However, if you look at Trump's policies that are actually reasonable, they're not that bad:

-anti-TPP
-reducing trade deficits
-bringing back overseas money on a single-time tax
-health care reform
-improved relations with Russia

he doesn't frighten me because i think he's going to be a despot.  he frightens me because he represents the abandonment of substance for form.  rushy's post basically spells out what i think all trump supporters share in common: the belief that it doesn't matter how dogshit trump's policies are so long as he says all the right ultranationalist keywords in all his speeches.  i am frightened by the belief that it doesn't matter what trump says so long as he is angry, hateful, and insulting.  those are poor qualities in anyone, let alone in the president.

and for some reason none of these supporters have managed to yet figure out that psst hey you know that he could just be saying whatever he thinks you want to hear, right?  it's mind-boggling.  like maybe when he says "we're going to slash taxes and slash the budget and also keep social security spending and medicare/medicaid spending and increase military spending," we should all take a moment to reflect on how dumb that is and tell him to get lost.  it frightens me to think that maybe he could walk out on stage and declare that he's going to cut taxes to zero and increase military spending to infinity, and maybe he wouldn't lose any supporters in the process.

his trade deficit talk is just as outrageous, but again his supporters just lap it up because "yeah fuck china go america we rule they drool hahahaha!"  he displays either an ignorance of economics so profound that it should be immediately disqualifying, or a willingness to lie that should be equally discrediting.  trade deficits are not indicators of poor economic output.  if anything, the opposite is true.  this is because current account deficits are balanced by capital account surpluses.  by definition.  basically everything that trump says about trade deficits is breathtakingly, unforgivably wrong.  he appears to fundamentally misunderstand how our economy works.

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what ultimately disappoints me is not that trump couldn't pass a macro final or whatever.  i couldn't, and i can't pretend to understand how our economy works.  but it really didn't take me that long to find a slew of experts in economics all saying "uh, you know current account deficits are actually fine, and if anything they only happen because our economy is so fucking rad to maxxxxxxxx."  if there are economic experts out there who agree with trump's characterization of our economic relationship with china, i'm struggling to find them.

oh look another obnoxiously long gg post.  neat.

Trade deficits may not be as bad as Trump makes them out to be, but working to reduce them is hardly bad either - unless you wish to claim that creating jobs is bad. And I think it's kinda interesting that you think he says "whatever we want to hear" when discussing a topic people barely understand in the first place. Just out of curiosity though, if you think Trump is misinformed and only speaking to people's fantasies, what do you think of Bernie Sanders? His policies are deliberately impossible and carry intrinsic and easy to understand benefits to the working class and college kids. His whole platform is just fantasy fulfillment. Shouldn't the support he's gaining be just as frightening to you, if not more so?

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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #439 on: March 11, 2016, 12:18:20 PM »
The 90s were pretty fucking sweet too.

Damn right. I grew up in the 90s so nostalgia is a factor but everything seemed better, before we had smart phones and social media, before the internet was weaponized into a weapon of mass distraction.

But there was a pretty bad crack epidemic we delt with for a while.

Yeah, thanks Al Gore for the internet.  What a jerk.