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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #200 on: February 12, 2016, 02:49:45 PM »
Even if the US actually invaded Mexico the most we'd ever get is a stern warning letter from the UN. No country on the planet can afford to sanction us, no country on the planet can afford to go to war with us. Welcome to globalism.

That bothers me greatly.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #202 on: February 12, 2016, 11:18:13 PM »
Wait, are we talking about hysterical predictions of doom here, or just sensationalist ad hominem attacks?  I shouldn't have to provide an example of the side I'm criticizing endorsing a loony conspiracy theory if you're just providing an example of the side you're criticizing simply calling someone names.
Jura already provided us with an example. Remember what prompted me to ask the question in the first place? Everyday liberals are talking doomsday. That's a bit "out there". You can try and match it up with the far right, but that's still comparing the "norm" to the "extreme" on the opposite side.

I admit it's a blaringly sensationalist headline, but do you really not think Trump has shown himself to be all three of those things?
I don't think he has. I don't think he's *right*, but he's not bigoted either.

Comparing it to talk of "Obama's concentration camps" (which I'm assuming don't actually exist in the real world, though you can correct me if I'm wrong) seems to go a bit on the deep end.
I'm not sure why everyone suddenly thinks I'm comparing anything here. I criticised Jura for this literally-Hitler-doomsday-time post and claimed that many liberals seem to do that. Saddam then responded by pointing out that there are loonies on both sides, and he compared it to the "Obama concentration camps" claims. I then asked for examples, and tangentially brought up HuffPo as a hilariously bad sensationalist heading.

No doomsday, no concentration camps, no claims of bigotry, just an accurate statement of the economic situation at the time and a spot-on identification of the cause. Your point?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/investor/2012/11/14/market-selloff-after-obamas-re-election-no-accident-recession-coming/
Again, not quite on topic. Saying that Obama fucked over the economy by the end of his second term is hardly a groundbreaking statement, and it's definitely not what you promised me.

http://www.businessinsider.com/marc-faber-obama-is-a-disaster-the-stock-market-should-have-fallen-50-and-you-should-buy-yourself-a-machine-gun-2012-11
At least this guy is sensationalist. Still, nowhere near comparable.

http://www.newsmax.com/Outbrain/Limbaugh-doomed-Obama-re-elected/2012/09/11/id/451480/
Unless you're saying we should take the word "doomed" literally (please don't), I don't see your point. Limbaugh gonna Limbaugh, and he's still not accusing Obama of even being a dictator.

It really seems like you're trying to make a comparison between "w0w Obama did/does/will fuck over the economy!!!" to "NH GOES RACIST SEXIST XENOPHOBIC [by supporting Trump]" or "Y'know, Trump and Hitler are p. similar fam". I sincerely don't think that's a fair comparison in the slightest.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #203 on: February 13, 2016, 04:00:15 PM »
Trump is literally Hitler he will world war 3 and holocaust the Mexicans. Like share and upboat this message if you don't you're a cis het xenophobic racist

Vote 4 Bernie he will give us free liberal arts degrees

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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #204 on: February 13, 2016, 04:17:03 PM »
http://atruthsoldier.com/fema-extermination-camps/

w0w why are righties such lunatics?  The equivalent to this would be MSNBC running a headline telling all white people to kill themselves to make up for slavery.

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« Reply #205 on: February 13, 2016, 04:50:23 PM »
Saddam, honey, we already talked about comparing the far right to the everyday left, and why doing that would be shit. Don't waste our time.

Now, can you or can you not back up your original claim in a straight-forward, honest manner?
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« Reply #206 on: February 13, 2016, 09:46:34 PM »
I don't know Sexpest, but yet again I suspect a bit of ASD (observation not insult), I don't think you see that Rushy and I were actually just using ridiculous scenario construction as a  bonding technique, yes he is likely to be the other side of the barricades to me come the glorious day (whilst you sit in a corner rocking with your head in your hands), but we were fucking about.
Or maybe (less likely), you do have a sense of humour and you do see, but want to get under Saddam's skin soo much.
Anyway off topic, as to your point, why do lefties go doomsday? When ever a right-wing loon comes into power in America, they are by definition of low intellect (see Reagan, Bush), so the thinkers (lefties) can't help but imagine “ what happens if the wheels come off”, meaning maybe their carers step outside and leave them next to the doomsday button or near the red phone when the Russians ring, it's not happened yet but it could, luckily up to yet they have some hideous self serving (but intelligent and articulate) British Prime minister to keep them on track, Reagan had Maggie and Bush had the equally awful Blair, unfortunately Trump wouldn't have any-one, mainly because he is under the misapprehension that he doesn't need them, but anyway we only have the moonfaced Cameron at the moment and he doesn't cut it, so just maybe worry a bit, it's what we do.
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« Reply #207 on: February 13, 2016, 10:07:35 PM »
Right...

I'm just going to slowly... back... away...

Saddam, I'm going to consider my point to be proven and self-evident, given the above.
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« Reply #208 on: February 13, 2016, 10:23:13 PM »
Holy mother of run-on sentences...

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« Reply #209 on: February 13, 2016, 11:33:47 PM »
Lol jura

Anyone who has ever been President is far more intelligent than most of the country. Anyone capable of mass manipulation, regardless of their endearing cohorts, is of utmost intelligence. In fact most candidates themselves have more leadership and intellect than most. By claiming what they are doing is unintelligent, you're basically saying it's easy, and if it's easy, a lot more people would be able to do it.

You could say that some weren't very knowledgeable, but I do hope you're not conflating knowledge with intelligence.
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« Reply #210 on: February 14, 2016, 12:10:47 AM »
Lol jura

Anyone who has ever been President is far more intelligent than most of the country. Anyone capable of mass manipulation, regardless of their endearing cohorts, is of utmost intelligence. In fact most candidates themselves have more leadership and intellect than most. By claiming what they are doing is unintelligent, you're basically saying it's easy, and if it's easy, a lot more people would be able to do it.

You could say that some weren't very knowledgeable, but I do hope you're not conflating knowledge with intelligence.

One can be stupid and still have a following.  Trump is mostly just saying what a large, angry portion of America repeats.  The difference is that he has money, is a known name, and isn't afraid of the lime light nor shys from it.  Your average, angry American will complain to coworkers or on facebook, but wouldn't have the courage or confidence to say the same thing out on the streets or up on a stage.  Nor would they want to give up their jobs to pursue public office.

That said, I do believe Donald Trump is saying and doing the things he does intentionally so, yes, he is intelligent.  What scares me is if he wants to do them anyway.
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« Reply #211 on: February 14, 2016, 12:45:22 AM »
I don't care what Trump believes anymore. He called Ted Cruz a pussy on live television. He has my vote.

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« Reply #212 on: February 14, 2016, 03:48:15 AM »
It doesn't matter who wins the Presidency now that Scalia croaked. The liberals will overtake the SC.

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« Reply #213 on: February 14, 2016, 04:26:17 AM »
I wouldn't go so far as to call Bush or Trump unintelligent, but it's the sort of personality, or attitude towards politics that they seem to share that bothers me.  It's like there's an emphasis on bravado, swagger, and the appearance of resolute fearlessness at all times, as if any display of patience, humility, or thoughtfulness immediately translates into weakness or self-doubt in the public sphere.  It's a great way to win an election, but an awful way to run a country, and I don't see Trump suddenly switching gears and adopting a more nuanced approach if he were to be elected.  There's a very interesting article about this attitude and its effect on Bush's presidency that's worth a read:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/faith-certainty-and-the-presidency-of-george-w-bush.html

My favorite part is Karl Rove's creepy monologue about the "reality-based community."

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« Reply #214 on: February 14, 2016, 04:26:48 AM »
It doesn't matter who wins the Presidency now that Scalia croaked. The liberals will overtake the SC.

Don't worry, the Republicans will ensure there's a vacancy in his spot until after the election.
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« Reply #215 on: February 15, 2016, 05:55:11 PM »
Vote 4 Bernie he will give us free liberal arts degrees
And he'll give living wages to everybody regardless if they want to work or not, and pay off the debt, and free healthcare with a government run single payer system, and do it all by taking back the money from rich people or corporations and using those funds, and it will last forever.

Yep, the US can be a model socialist utopia just like Venezuela.

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« Reply #216 on: February 15, 2016, 10:32:45 PM »
And he'll give living wages to everybody regardless if they want to work or not, and pay off the debt, and free healthcare with a government run single payer system, and do it all by taking back the money from rich people or corporations and using those funds, and it will last forever.

Yep, the US can be a model socialist utopia just like Venezuela.

Let's just be happy that Bernie Sanders, even if elected, will die from old age before he can do anything meaningful in office.

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« Reply #217 on: February 15, 2016, 10:39:16 PM »
Bernie "Hnnnngh" Sanders
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« Reply #218 on: February 16, 2016, 06:19:06 AM »
A question for all the Trump supporters here: how well do you think he will do in the upcoming primary in SC?

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« Reply #219 on: February 16, 2016, 10:25:08 PM »
Lol jura

Anyone who has ever been President is far more intelligent than most of the country. Anyone capable of mass manipulation, regardless of their endearing cohorts, is of utmost intelligence. In fact most candidates themselves have more leadership and intellect than most. By claiming what they are doing is unintelligent, you're basically saying it's easy, and if it's easy, a lot more people would be able to do it.

You could say that some weren't very knowledgeable, but I do hope you're not conflating knowledge with intelligence.

LOL Rushy,

"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" Bush!

He may well be more intelligent than most of you, (which would explain alot) but on a world wide perspective? No.

Your only hope is Bernie.
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