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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« on: July 08, 2016, 04:16:42 PM »
He tweeted a picture that used a default MS Paint shape, so he's obviously an antisemite, duh

Hillary "fucking Jew bastard" Clinton is perfectly clean, though :^)

And the Star is used by EVERY SO in Indiana and more that a few other states.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« on: July 08, 2016, 12:26:53 PM »
And the probe is re-opened. Wouldn't it be great if it's proven that she committed perjury (even if it is just a congressional inquiry)?

Sorry, hill-dog.
Trey Gowdy's questioning of Director Comey proves the FBI knew she lied to them and did so under oath. But Comey will STILL not act. He is addicted the breathing, and AG Lynch has been promised a seat on the SCOTUS

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Balloon and Camera?
« on: June 19, 2016, 01:09:04 PM »
The picture clearly shows a curved horizon.

I'm interested in how you determine how to reach the altitude you want with a balloon
You know the lifting ability of helium. It's fairly easy to calculate the lift based on total weight and amount of helium used and the type of balloon.

I aim for an accent rate of 5 m/s. That way, I ensure that the balloon will actually burst, but not burst too soon, while going as high as possible.

Try this calculator http://habhub.org/calc/

My normal payload is CA 1200g, but the next launch will have an extra camera for raw format images which adds to the weight in both camera and batteries. Probably 1850 g this time.

Thanks. I was wondering about filling 4 balloons. Fill one as normal the one below that to 80% the one below that to 60%, the next and last to 40%
For what purpose may I ask?

Also, you don't fill balloons to 100%. Even given the flexibility of the material, the balloon expands quite violently during its ascend :)


I would think the system I described would get the most altitude. The 100% just means to fill it as you would a single balloon. The other's below would be expanding and more buoyant by the time the first one pops, and then the second, and so on.

Or am I missing something here?
It would only make the lifting ability worse with the added weight of the additional balloons.

The lift doesn't amount to the size of the balloons but the amount of helium they contain. Helium is lighter than the atmosphere so it will keep ascending until there is no more atmosphere. There's an upper limit to the altitude you can gain with helium. You won't go much higher than 40km, the atmosphere is simply too thin.

The amount of helium in the balloon decides how fast the balloon ascents. A lot of helium and the balloon ascents quickly, but pops at a lower altitude (lesser space in the balloon for expansion), too little helium and it ascends slowly, but might not burst at all.

Hydrogen would allow you to go higher, but on a low budget level, hydrogen is dangerous as hell since it reacts with oxygen.

After a little research on my part I see my mistake. I was mixing ballon types. I was thinking zero pressure balloon and applying to a pressurized one.

Looking online, I haven't found zpb for sale, or at last were prices are listed, which, in my opinion, says the cost is prohibitive at best.

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If I got paid for every time a FE ignored my question; Post #5 on this thread, I'd be rich.

Well, it has to be ignored, the fact presented cannot possibly fit the EFT.

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IF.......You can't see the sun "because of the thickness of the 'atmoplane'" why can you  see the stars after the sun sets ?

Because the stars are over you and the sun is not.

But the sun is a -27 magnitude star, generating 6.89 x 1033 lumens. That much light would flood a flat earth in all directions 24/7. A fact, which have posted a dozen times and a fact which FE has ignored to date.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Balloon and Camera?
« on: June 01, 2016, 02:47:22 PM »
The picture clearly shows a curved horizon.

I'm interested in how you determine how to reach the altitude you want with a balloon
You know the lifting ability of helium. It's fairly easy to calculate the lift based on total weight and amount of helium used and the type of balloon.

I aim for an accent rate of 5 m/s. That way, I ensure that the balloon will actually burst, but not burst too soon, while going as high as possible.

Try this calculator http://habhub.org/calc/

My normal payload is CA 1200g, but the next launch will have an extra camera for raw format images which adds to the weight in both camera and batteries. Probably 1850 g this time.

Thanks. I was wondering about filling 4 balloons. Fill one as normal the one below that to 80% the one below that to 60%, the next and last to 40%
For what purpose may I ask?

Also, you don't fill balloons to 100%. Even given the flexibility of the material, the balloon expands quite violently during its ascend :)


I would think the system I described would get the most altitude. The 100% just means to fill it as you would a single balloon. The other's below would be expanding and more buoyant by the time the first one pops, and then the second, and so on.

Or am I missing something here?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Balloon and Camera?
« on: May 25, 2016, 07:23:33 PM »
The picture clearly shows a curved horizon.

I'm interested in how you determine how to reach the altitude you want with a balloon
You know the lifting ability of helium. It's fairly easy to calculate the lift based on total weight and amount of helium used and the type of balloon.

I aim for an accent rate of 5 m/s. That way, I ensure that the balloon will actually burst, but not burst too soon, while going as high as possible.

Try this calculator http://habhub.org/calc/

My normal payload is CA 1200g, but the next launch will have an extra camera for raw format images which adds to the weight in both camera and batteries. Probably 1850 g this time.

Thanks. I was wondering about filling 4 balloons. Fill one as normal the one below that to 80% the one below that to 60%, the next and last to 40%

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Clusters of eclipse? This will come as a shock to both professional and amateur astronomers. There is a minimum of 2 each per year, but there can be as many as a total of 7.

And I agree with you about the lunar phases. The explanation is junk. As written it would mean the observed phase would be different at different locations on the same night.

And the explanation on eclipses begs another question; Why is the "Shadow Object" not illuminated by the sun?

I tried to get some answers in Why should anyone believe the earth is flat? « Reply #75 on: March 16, 2016, 11:08:14 PM ».

And how ANYONE can see a full moon in How does a Full Moon appear Full for everyone? « on: April 28, 2016, 08:40:55 AM »

And again in How does a Full Moon appear Full for everyone? « on: April 24, 2016, 01:29:43 AM »

The geometry I interpret from the Wiki for a lunar eclipse is:

Flat Earth Sun, Shadow Object and Lunar Eclipse
I cannot see any possibility of the "Shadow Object" causing ANY shadow on the moon.

The whole "Zetetic" approach seems to be "The earth looks flat so it must be", then guess everything else without a shred of evidence.

I was thinking of your posts when I responded.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: edge of the earth
« on: May 25, 2016, 05:02:47 PM »
Wait a wall of ice 150 feet tall! Wow that's totally impassible. /end sarcasm

I've climbed ice cliffs that are 600 feet tall in Scotland for fun. Nobody's ever heard of ice axes and crampons then?

Unless two FE people saw you do it and have it notarized by the Pope you never did it.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Balloon and Camera?
« on: May 25, 2016, 01:22:43 PM »
The picture clearly shows a curved horizon.

I'm interested in how you determine how to reach the altitude you want with a balloon

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Hello all,
Being new to that flat Earth world, I tried to get information about the Moon. Some say it's a disc, others a dome. I've searched the wiki and the current forum.
What about its orbit ?
Thanks.
You're not having much luck! Maybe the "experts" in Flat Earth Theory in TFES don't know.

When you have found out about the moon's shape and orbit see what you can find out about what causes the phases of the moon and lunar eclipses.

No-one seems to have any satisfactory explanations.

Quote from: the Wiki
The Phases of the Moon
When one observes the phases of the moon he sees the moon's day and night, a shadow from the sun illuminating half of the spherical moon at any one time.
The lunar phases vary cyclically according to the changing geometry of the Moon and Sun, which are constantly wobbling up and down and exchange altitudes as they rotate around the North Pole.
When the moon and sun are at the same altitude one half of the lunar surface is illuminated and pointing towards the sun, This is called the First Quarter Moon. When the observer looks up he will see a shadow cutting the moon in half. The boundary between the illuminated and unilluminated hemispheres is called the terminator.

When the moon is below the sun's altitude the moon is dark and a New Moon occurs.

When the moon is above the altitude of the sun the moon is fully lit and a Full Moon occurs.
When I try to picture the geometry it makes absolutely no sense. Then for lunar eclipses:
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The Lunar Eclipse
A Lunar Eclipse occurs about twice a year when a satellite of the sun passes between the sun and moon.

This satellite is called the Shadow Object. Its orbital plane is tilted at an angle of about 5°10' to the sun's orbital plane, making eclipses possible only when the three bodies (Sun, Object, and Moon) are aligned and when the moon is crossing the sun's orbital plane (at a point called the node). Within a given year, considering the orbitals of these celestial bodies, a maximum of three lunar eclipses can occur. Despite the fact that there are more solar than lunar eclipses each year, over time many more lunar eclipses are seen at any single location on earth than solar eclipses. This occurs because a lunar eclipse can be seen from the entire half of the earth beneath the moon at that time, while a solar eclipse is visible only along a narrow path on the earth's surface.

Total lunar eclipses come in clusters. There can be two or three during a period of a year or a year and a half, followed by a lull of two or three years before another round begins. When you add partial eclipses there can be three in a calendar year and again, it's quite possible to have none at all.

The shadow object is never seen because it orbits close to the sun. As the sun's powerful vertical rays hit the atmosphere during the day they will scatter and blot out nearly every single star and celestial body in the sky. We are never given a glimpse of the celestial bodies which appear near the sun during the day - they are completely washed out by the sun's light.

It is estimated that the Shadow Object is around five to ten miles in diameter. Since it is somewhat close to the sun the manifestation of its penumbra upon the moon appears as a magnified projection. This is similar to how during a shadow puppet show your hand's shadow can make a large magnified projection upon your bedroom wall as you move it closer to the flashlight.
I am afraid I find that this makes less sense to me than the explanation of the phases.

Clusters of eclipse? This will come as a shock to both professional and amateur astronomers. There is a minimum of 2 each per year, but there can be as many as a total of 7.

And I agree with you about the lunar phases. The explanation is junk. As written it would mean the observed phase would be different at different locations on the same night.

And the explanation on eclipses begs another question; Why is the "Shadow Object" not illuminated by the sun?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: F&@% YOU George Zimmerman
« on: May 13, 2016, 01:59:18 PM »
http://www.unitedgungroup.com/auction/detail/auction/9/slug/george-zimmerman-s-gun-used-2-26-12?switch-mode=standard

Yeah, he's selling his gun and selling it on the point that he killed an unarmed teenager.  I'm sorry but that's just wrong.  You wanna sell the gun, fine, but don't promote its significance.

And its up to nearly a fucking million dollars?!  How the... Who the fuck has that kind of cash for a politically chaged gun?

Not only that but...

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On this day, 5/11/2016 exactly one year after the shooting attempt to end my life by BLM sympathizer Matthew Apperson
From what I can find, he was ahot at but never pulled the gun.  In fact, he states it was not used despite being in the truck.  Yet Apperson claimed george pointed it at him moments before and that's why Apperson took the shot.

Yeah, that pesky Bill of Rights with its First Amendment. How dare he...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« on: May 13, 2016, 01:55:36 PM »
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"Can Count Sanders"? What can he count? Why is that an insult

Sanders believes he can provide “free” heath care and other free services.

Never mind that raising taxes means it is not free. How he says he can pay for this “Free” service is mathematically impossible. At a rally, he told a questioner that he could raise everyone’s taxes $500, and that would pay for everyone’s health care.

The IRS says there are 216 million taxpayers. The US Census says there are 320 million citizens.  That works out to $28.12 per person covered, per month.  Even before the massive increases ObamaCare inflicted (and is not done doing so) my coverage is more than 8 times that high for each member of this house hold. So far the promised $2,500 in "savings" has seen an increase of 1,238% to date. “Free” is going to skyrocket that at an unbelievable rate.

Hence, Sanders cannot count.


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What? "That tells me not going along to along"? Are you trying to say something along the lines of "That tells me he was not going to get along with the Republican establishment"

It means he is not Dem lite, as is most of the rest of GOP. That is a good thing in my book. He is more interested in serving the people, and is not afraid to stand up the establishment GOP.


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Where live, do the offer adult reading classes?

He who has never fat fingered a post is free to cast the first stone. I was not aware this site was edited by Simon and Shuster.  However, I’ll edit the post for spelling. Got to keep the spelling and grammar Nazis happy.


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I'm sorry, are you really implying that Trump is a paragon of honesty?

Where in my post did I imply such a thing? What I DID say, was Trump was preferable to Clinton.  ::)

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« on: May 12, 2016, 11:32:39 AM »
Trump is better than Hilary The Serial Liar or Can Count Sanders.

I like Cruz, most of the party insiders hate him. That tells me was not going along to get along. We  require someone, a whole lot of someones, in office that are will stand castrate the opposition in order to stand for the Constitution and therefor the people.

But now, now we have to settle for Trump.
  ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Maybe they support The Serial Liar or Can't Count.
No, I was mostly commenting on how your message doesn't consist of a single coherent sentence. Originally I hoped you're just spamming copypasta, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Trump's campaign was pretty much just a publicity stunt a year ago, just like all his previous campaigns were.  I'm sure that Trump was as surprised as anyone when this time it really took off.
lol you're still trying.

Saddam. It's okay. You were wrong. We were right. It's not a big deal. It's a thing that happens. You don't have to keep defending yourself every time something doesn't go your way. Shrug it off and move on.

Except for my naming Clinton Serial Liar and Sanders Can't Count. what I posted is clear. Where live, do they offer adult reading classes?

Edited because Simon and Schuster have been employed here as spelling and grammar Nazis

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How did continents form on a flat earth?
« on: May 11, 2016, 08:59:33 PM »
 
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For example i don't believe that i didn't see.

So why do you believe in God?

For that matter why do you believe in anything? Have you seen me? Have you seen the western hemisphere?  Have you seen the Atlantic Ocean? The Pacific Ocean? England? South Africa?

You have never see  your great great great grand parents, how do you know they were ever real?

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The math proves the observation. The math disproves FET.

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You seem to think the atmosphere is separate form the earth, it is not. Or that gravity has no effect on the atmosphere, it does.

Your last illustration in your post, seems to say you think the atmosphere wants to fly off into space. Why?

Why would gravity keep you on the earth, but not the atmosphere?

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Stellarium

Did the open source programmers who made Stellarium really travel the world to chart which stars can and cannot be seen, or are they making it how they were taught in school?

Okay! I live in England. I watch the skies, I have this and it is 100% accurate here, anybody else from around the world?

Did you chart every star in the night sky in the last 2 hours since I last posted to prove that Stellarium is 100% accurate?  ???

Interesting. You demand RE provide proof, proof that you out of hand question or outright dismiss, all the while you provide nothing but blanket statements by people with at best questionable education. I searched for Dr. Rowbotham, and could find no sourced higher education, let alone the awarding of a Ph.D.

Once again I ask for you to detail the error in the geometry.

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You are not ready to learn everything but still you are deflecting.

Human don't need to eat the animals. But somebody claim it as a religion. This is not fair and appropriate.

I dont understand your stance.

Do you think eating meat is bad, or good?

Surely eating meat is bad. how is it be a good thing?

To kill a creature and eat it. This is not fair and ethical. What we feel if another animal continuesly kills and eats our friends and our family members? This is a terrible atrocity.

As a human we have strong so we can easily kill and eat other animals. I said that this is not fair and ethical. To see it requires a bit empathy.

Religions allow to do it, but here there is a mistake according to ethical values, human values, moral values.

Let me understand what your are saying. NOT believing in a Flat Earth is going against God and He will come and kill me and take me to hell. BUT telling God He is wrong about the teeth He gave me for eating meat is fine and dandy?

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Making the claim is not proof. Proof requires independent conformation

Where is your proof?

Math and geometry.http://www.csgnetwork.com/righttri.gif  The North Pole angle C and Polaris, angle B form side a of a triangle. The FE is at a Right Angle to that side, which gives you the second side, side b. The line of sight gives the third side, side c. The furthest possible point for side c and b to meet is 12,000 miles from side a at Angle A. The angle of side a  is ALWAYS higher that side b. This means that Polaris, at night is always visible, as the SMALLEST possible angle for side c is 7 degrees ABOVE side c.

The link shows how it works and it provides a calculator to give the proper value for the angles

Math alone doesn't prove anything about how the world works. Where are the experiments which prove that Polaris disappears at the equator?

Again with blanket statement. One that is beyond senseless, its like going to the bank and saying they have your balance wrong, it is not $500 but $5,000,000 and the bank taking your word for it. The math proves the angles and angles prove that Polaris WOULD be seen, at night from as far south as the "Ice Wall" in the FET. Now if you really believe that to be an error, the burden is upon you to prove 4,000 years of proofs in geometry wrong.

So where, exactly, in the linked calculation is it wrong?


Prove the math wrong.

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