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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Lord Dave on Today at 04:31:32 PM »

So I went into the contacts book that the DoJ released in February.

He has Robert and Blaine Trump (clearly not updated in years)
Ivana Trump, Ivanka Trump,
But Donald Trump is separate under Citrix.  Citrix is a security software.

Interesting, no?

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Just Watched

« Last post by Shane on Today at 03:39:32 PM »

i know you love stories about immigrants but did you really have to post the same in two threads

did you really have to post this?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Shane on Today at 03:24:25 PM »

He was never a big factor in terms of life.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Just Watched

« Last post by juner on Today at 03:02:15 PM »

i know you love stories about immigrants but did you really have to post the same in two threads

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by garygreen on Today at 01:58:50 PM »

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/16/donald-trump-dismisses-inquiry-into-jeffrey-epstein-as-boring

“I don’t understand why the Jeffrey Epstein case would be of interest to anybody,” Trump told reporters on Tuesday night when asked why his supporters are so interested in the case. “It’s pretty boring stuff. It’s sordid, but it’s boring, and I don’t understand why it keeps going.

“I think really only pretty bad people, including fake news, want to keep something like that going,” he added. “But credible information, let them give it. Anything that is credible, I would say, let them have it.”

lol

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by AATW on Today at 07:01:25 AM »

“Credible”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgl4dl334go

So…he means the stuff he’s not in, right?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by markjo on Today at 12:55:02 AM »

The Constitution doesn't say whether it can be taken away or not. Anything not in the Constitution is for the government to decide. It also doesn't say that Citizenship is a right, like the right to free speech and the right to bare arms. If it were a right it would have been explicitly described that way with the other rights. Instead, it merely outlines who qualifies for citizenship.

Perhaps you should take another gander at the 14th amendment:

Fourteenth Amendment

Section 1

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

It says that if you're born in the US, then you are a citizen.  That sounds like a right to me.  On the other hand, citizenship through immigration is a privilege that can be revoked under certain conditions.  If the constitution doesn't say that birthright citizenship can be revoked, then you shouldn't assume that it can.

This whole Rosie O'Donnell nonsense is just that, nonsense.  It's just another attempt to distract from the Epstein fiasco.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Tom Bishop on Today at 12:20:30 AM »

Being granted a license isn't a guarantee that you get to keep the license regardless of how you conduct yourself. Being granted a certificate of land ownership isn't a guarantee that you get to keep the land forever, regardless of how you conduct your finances or eminent domain considerations. There are a hundred examples where designations are not permanent.

I don't think there's any controversy there. Yes, of course there are situations where citizenship can and should be revoked.
But someone being an outspoken criticism of the leader of a country isn't one of them. You're supposed to be a democracy in which people have free speech.
Removing people who criticise the administration is a bit...dictatory.
Come on, dude, you surely see there are dangers here. Although all that said it doesn't sound like Trump actually has unilateral power to do this, so there are some checks and balances.

That's not the reason Trump gave for why Rosie O'Donnell should be stripped of citizenship. Stop making things up.

The keyword is that someone is granted citenship.

Citizenship is a right granted by the constitution, therefore only the constitution can revoke citizenship.  Please show me where the constitution outlines the process for revoking citizenship.

The Constitution doesn't say whether it can be taken away or not. Anything not in the Constitution is for the government to decide. It also doesn't say that Citizenship is a right, like the right to free speech and the right to bare arms. If it were a right it would have been explicitly described that way with the other rights. Instead, it merely outlines who qualifies for citizenship.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Dr Van Nostrand on July 15, 2025, 09:20:36 PM »

honk still claiming Clinton to be a centrist.

Wow.

No one is fooled by the approach of the ilk claiming Trump to be absolutely terrible, all the while he is continuing the US down the path of the exact things you totalitarians desire.

The guy is a lifelong liberal.

As horrifying as Bill Clinton may be, at least we now know with certainty that he didn't go to any of Epstein's parties. Trump says it's all a hoax, just a bunch of lies. In fact, he's going to pardon Ghislaine Maxwell. It was just Epstein by himself trafficking girls from himself to himself. Clinton, Prince Andrew, Michael Jackson were publicly dog-piled with these salacious Epstein rumors by hateful people jealous of their public success.

But, Trump has been playing 4D chess all along. By pretending to believe in the list and by claiming Clinton was on the list, he could get into a position of power to safely reveal that the list doesn't exist. something like that...

I'm sure we'll have it Magasplained shortly.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Action80 on July 15, 2025, 06:48:39 PM »

honk still claiming Clinton to be a centrist, denying his sexual predation that took place at his own office with an assigned intern is somehow not a clear statement of his political ideology. It damn sure is and I don't give a flying fuck whether anyone here agrees or not.

Wow.

No one is fooled by the approach of the ilk claiming Trump to be absolutely terrible, all the while he is continuing the US down the path of the exact things you totalitarians desire.

The guy is a lifelong liberal.