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Re: Earths Curvature and spin effect on long range ballistics.
« Reply #80 on: October 04, 2018, 05:55:20 PM »
Sandokan, I linked to papers on .mil domains, and you linked me to papers on .edu and .org domains. The video I had linked to likewise has documents from .mil domains.

"Here is the mathematical derivation of the trajectory equation for a spherical earth" is not actual evidence. As a Flat Earther you should know that actual evidence is needed for these wild Round Earth claims.

At this point I have severe doubts that anyone in this thread even knows what evidence is. A school report called "Modeling Flight over a Spherical Earth" from a student at Harvey Mudd College is not actual evidence.
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Re: Earths Curvature and spin effect on long range ballistics.
« Reply #81 on: October 04, 2018, 05:57:58 PM »
But where is evidence that they are even using a 'curvature equation' in artillery?

From the U.S. Army Research Laboratory we read the following from an artillery paper:

When I presented numerous military papers expressing the inclusion of the effect you wrote:

Where are the artillery experiments with and without this very slight adjustment?

There is no evidence. You are posting heresy and hypothesis from an paper called "Production of Firing Tables for Cannon Artillery" which gives predictions for various situations and their associated assumptions, not evidence.

Therefore, how does your inclusion of same type documents constitute the evidence you seek?

As well, where are those Tycho Bahe experiments you claim to exist?

Re: Earths Curvature and spin effect on long range ballistics.
« Reply #82 on: October 04, 2018, 06:01:56 PM »
As a Flat Earther

Right.

I'm trying to point out to you that the mathematical derivation of the equation for the trajectory of a projectile is REAL.

It leads to two different equations: one RE, the other one FE.

The first one was used by the US Navy in WWI and WWII.

Please read:

http://www.eugeneleeslover.com/USN-GUNS-AND-RANGE-TABLES/OP-770-1.html

The RE equation is valid and accurate, while the FE equation with a fixed g is inaccurate.

Your UA theory will lead you nowhere.

That is why you need the ether drift to explain this crucial set of equations: by modifying g, your problem is solved.
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Re: Earths Curvature and spin effect on long range ballistics.
« Reply #83 on: October 04, 2018, 07:48:32 PM »
Here is a sample calculation using both formulas.

Let vo = 1,000 m/s and θo = 45 degrees (neglecting air drag and other factors such as the Coriolis and the Eotvos effects).

R = [1,0002sin90degrees][{1 + 1,0002cos2(45deg)}/(9.81x6,378,164)}]/9.81 = 102.7514 km

The curvature factor is: 1.007991

Even though f(k) is a nonlinear function of k, let's approximate this factor by k in order to get an estimate:

Rflat earth = 101.937 km (a difference of 814 meters)

102,751.4 = 1,0002sin90degrees/k

k = 9.73223


It is assumed by modern science that “differences in spin rate do not affect the aerodynamic coefficients”. (Ballistics 2011, 26th International Symposium, pg. 474)

“How far the bullet drops has nothing to do with spinning other than that it keeps it in the most favorable aerodynamic position”.

But spinning has everything to do with the calculation of the range, as proven by the experiments carried out by Dr. Bruce DePalma.

"The only explanation for this effect is that both balls are drawing energy into themselves from an unseen source, and the rotating ball is thus “soaking up” more of this energy than its counterpart – energy that would normally exist as gravity, moving down into the earth.

With the addition of torsion-field research we can see that the spinning ball was able to harness naturally spiraling torsion waves in its environment, which gave it an additional supply of energy."

https://depalma.pairsite.com/Absurdity/Absurdity05/SecretOfForceMachine.html

The original Force Machine was constructed in 1971, figure (1). The total weight of the apparatus was 276 lbs. The "active" mass at the rim of the flywheels was 10 lbs. The assembly was suspended from a spring scale and the gyroscopes driven counter-rotating at 7600 r.p.m. Under these conditions the support cylinder was driven at 4 r.p.s. to precess the gyros. A consistent set of experiments repeatably showed 4 - 6 lbs. of weight loss.

“In DePalma’s device, two magnetized gyroscopes were mounted side-by-side within a cylinder, (see next image,) spinning in opposite directions to each other — one clockwise and the other counterclockwise.

Both gyroscopes (here referred to as flywheels) were in the same position, with the bottom of their axles pointing straight downward and the top of their axles straight upward.

The cylinder that held these gyroscopes in place was then also made to rotate from its side, causing the axles of the gyroscopes to continually rotate end-over-end in the vertical plane like spokes in a spinning wheel.

Since the inertial forces generated by the gyroscopes cause them to naturally resist being moved out of position, even more aetheric energy could be harnessed by forcing them to do so. And as we said in the last chapter, defying gravity is as simple as gathering some of the downward-streaming aetheric energy and redirecting it off to the side, like the bending of a hose. This redirection can be accomplished by simple rotation.”



“Dr. DePalma‘s “Force” machine would initially weigh 276 lbs. before being activated. The gyroscopes would be driven in counter-rotating directions at 7600 rpm each, and then the entire cylinder would be rotated or precessed at 4 revolutions per second. Any movement faster than this would create internal forces great enough to fracture the support axles for the gyroscopes, which would destroy the machine.

Once the Force Machine was running at this speed, it would repeatedly show 4-6 lbs. of weight loss!”


http://depalma.pair.com/gyrodrop.html (experiment carried out by the team of researchers who worked with Dr. Bruce DePalma)

Gyro Drop Experiment

In this experiment a fully enclosed, electrically driven gyroscope is released to fall freely under the influence of gravity. The elapsed time taken to fall a measured distance of 10.617 feet was measured, with the rotor stopped and also with the rotor spinning at approximately 15,000 RPM.

Data was gathered on a Chronometrics Digital Elapsed Dime Clock measuring 1/10,000 second, actuated by two phototransistor sensors placed in the paths of two light beams which were consecutively interrupted by the edge of the casing of the falling gyroscope.

A fully encased, spinning gyroscope drops faster than the identical gyroscope non-spinning, when released to fall along its axis.


The word “curvature” has to be replaced with the phrase “DePalma spinning effect” in the US Naval manual for curvature calculations applied to the range of the projectile:

https://i2.wp.com/mathscinotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/CurvatureTable1.png?resize=768%2C723 (Table of Curvatures for Different Horizontal Ranges)

Rotational bodies have different 'classical' principles such as:

- variable inertia

- variable gravitational acceleration either up or down (the spinning ball launch experiment)



https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg753387#msg753387 (DePalma spinning ball experiments)

"The precise application of Newton’s laws … have to be restricted to non-rotating mechanical objects in field-free space. In a gravitational field, the possibility of extraction of greater energy by a new mechanical dimension [rotation] opens up the possibility of an anti-gravitational interaction"

Dr. Bruce DePalma, 1977


One of the greatest physicists in the world, Dr. Eugene Podkletnov, performed an amazing experiment.




https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1833949#msg1833949 (part I)

A rapidly spinning disc of superconducting ceramic suspended in the magnetic field of three electric coils, was tested with a variety of materials and objects suspended above it, with measurable and consistent effects. In each case, the objects suspended above the rotating magnetic fields lightened by from 0.5 percent to 2 percent.

When Dr. Eugene Podkletnov increased the rotation speed to 20,000 rpm, the loss of weight became 5%. The highest speed that could be obtained was 30,000 rpm, where the loss of weight was 9% (figures offered by Dr. Podkletnov in the 2004 interview at the Tampere Technical University in Finland).

"In 1995, the Max Planck Institute of Physics did a follow up study, and was able to confirm the results."




https://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-th/9505094.pdf


Impulse Gravity Generator Based on Charged Y Ba2Cu3O7-y Superconductor with Composite Crystal Structure

https://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0108005.pdf

The observed phenomenon appears to be absolutely new and unprecedented in the
literature. It cannot be understood in the framework of general relativity.


Weak gravitation shielding properties of composite bulk Y Ba2Cu3O7-x superconductor
below 70 K under e.m. field

https://arxiv.org/pdf/cond-mat/9701074.pdf

A toroidal disk with an outer diameter of 275 mm and a thickness of 10 mm was prepared using conventional ceramic technology in combination with melt-texture growth. Two solenoids were placed around the disk in order to initiate the current inside it and to rotate the disk about its central axis. Samples placed over the rotating disk initially demonstrated a weight loss of 0.3-0.5%. When the rotation speed was slowly reduced by changing the current in the solenoids, the shielding effect became considerably higher and reached 1.9-2.1% at maximum.


Study of Light Interaction with Gravity Impulses and Measurements of the Speed of Gravity Impulses

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281440634_Study_of_Light_Interaction_with_Gravity_Impulses_and_Measurements_of_the_Speed_of_Gravity_Impulses

An attempt has been made in this work to study the scattering of laser light by the gravity-like impulse produced in an impulse gravity generator (IGG) and also an experiment has been conducted in order to determine the propagation speed of the gravity impulse. The light attenuation was found to last between 34 and 48 ns and to increase with voltage, up to a maximum of 7% at 2000 kV. The propagation time of the pulse over a distance of 1211 m was measured recording the response of two identical piezoelectric sensors connected to two synchronized rubidium atomic clocks. The delay was 63±1 ns, corresponding to a propagation speed of 64c.


"Dr. Podkletnov also describes his “force beam generator” experiment in detail, and provides insights into improvements that he’s made over the last decade to increase the force produced by this experimental gravity-beam. The force beam is generated by passing a high-voltage discharge from a Marx-generator through a YBCO emitter suspended in a magnetic field, and Podkletnov has described it as being powerful enough to knock over objects in the lab, as well as capable of being tuned by even punch holes in solid materials.

Podkletnov maintains that a laboratory installation in Russia has already demonstrated the 4in (10cm) wide beam’s ability to repel objects a kilometre away and that it exhibits negligible power loss at distances of up to 200km."


G-acceleration is a VARIABLE whose value can be decreased in direct proportion to the amount of ether generated (by sound, by double torsion, by a high-electrical field).

As the temperature of the superconductor reaches the level of temperature of the ether, the subquark lattice state of the material will approach that of the baryon state of ether of the atom.

If the superconductor is being rotated at high speed, the Whittaker potential ether longitudinal strings will begin to form a torsion field which will act as a terrestrial gravity shield.

The gravity-beam created by Dr. Podkletnov is able to modify at a much higher speed than normal the ether quantum state of the target (allowing it to reach the baryon state of ether).
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Re: Earths Curvature and spin effect on long range ballistics.
« Reply #84 on: October 04, 2018, 08:52:57 PM »
Because inertial forces like the Coriolis force and the centrifugal force do not exist.

Completely wrong.

The author of this statement has no knowledge of the original set of J.C. Maxwell's equations, which do include the Coriolis term/vorticity.

Dr. Frederick Tombe explains:

Not at all completely wrong.

The authors and papers you are referring to do not dispute the fact that the Coriolis force is an inertial force, and that the path of a bullet over the surface of the earth is straight, not curved.

My point was that if the earth is not spinning, and the bullets trajectory is curved, then this curve can not be the result of an "inertial force" as you claim, and the curved trajectory of the bullet above a stationary earth has nothing to do with the Coriolis effect.

Even if science would change their mind about the fictitious status of inertial forces, you (those who claim the physical the earth is not spinning) still need another force than an inertial one to prove your case, because above a stationary surface a curved trajectory has nothing to do with the Coriolis effect.


The RE equation is valid and accurate, while the FE equation with a fixed g is inaccurate.

Within science this is called: "Evidence for a spinning globe".

He who believes windmills are his enemies, will take the gentle turning of their blades an act of aggression, and mistake their soft murmur for angry ranting.

Re: Earths Curvature and spin effect on long range ballistics.
« Reply #85 on: October 04, 2018, 09:08:07 PM »
Within science this is called: "Evidence for a spinning globe".

You will be disappointed again.

The FE equation with a fixed g is the WRONG formula.

g is a variable.

As such, we can immediately obtain the correct value for the entire calculation.


Spinning globe you say...

But there is no curvature whatsoever across lake Michigan.

 
Grand Haven Daily Tribune   April 3, 1925

COAST GUARDS SEE MILWAUKEE LIGHTS GLEAM

Captain Wm. J. Preston and Crew See Lights of Milwaukee

and Racine Clearly From Surf Boat

ANSWER TO FLARE

Crew Runs Into Lake in Search For Flashing Torch

Grand Haven Daily Tribune   April 3, 1925

Captain Wm. J. Preston and his U. S. Coast Guard crew at Grand Haven harbor witnessed a strange natural phenomenon last night, when they saw clearly the lights of both Milwaukee and Racine, shining across the lake.  As far as known this is the first time that such a freak condition has prevailed here.

 The phenomena was first noticed at shortly after seven o’clock last night, when the lookout called the keeper’s attention to what seemed to be a light flaring out on the lake.  Captain Preston examined the light, and was of the impression that some ship out in the lake was “torching” for assistance.

Launch Power Boat

   He ordered the big power boat launched and with the crew started on a cruise into the lake to locate, if possible, the cause of the light.  The power boat was headed due west and after running a distance of six or seven miles the light became clearer, but seemed to be but little nearer.  The crew kept on going, however, and at a distance of about ten and twelve miles out, a beautiful panorama of light unfolded before the eyes of the coast guards.

 Captain Preston decided that the flare came from the government lighthouse at Windy Point at Racine.  Being familiar with the Racine lights the keeper was able to identify several of the short lights at Racine, Wis.

Saw Milwaukee Also

   A little further north another set of lights were plainly visible.  Captain Preston knowing the Milwaukee lights well, easily distinguished them and identified them as the Milwaukee lights.  The lights along Juneau Park water front, the illumination of the buildings near the park and the Northwestern Railway station were clearly visible from the Coast Guard boat.  So clearly did the lights stand out that it seemed as though the boat was within a few miles of Milwaukee harbor. 

   Convinced that the phenomenon was a mirage, or a condition due to some peculiarity of the atmosphere, the keeper ordered the boat back to the station.  The lights remained visible for the greater part of the run, and the flare of the Windy Point light house could be seen after the crew reached the station here.


DISTANCE GRAND HAVEN TO MILWAUKEE: OVER 80 MILES (128 KM).

http://www.coastwatch.msu.edu/images/twomichigans2a.gif


Windy Point Lighthouse:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Wind_Point_Lighthouse_071104_edit2.jpg/800px-Wind_Point_Lighthouse_071104_edit2.jpg

The lighthouse stands 108 feet (33 m) tall

THE CURVATURE FOR 128 KM IS 321 METERS.

Using the well known formula for the visual obstacle, let us calculate its value:

h = 3 meters BD = 1163 METERS

h = 5 meters BD = 1129 METERS

h = 10 meters BD = 1068 METERS

h = 20 meters BD = 984 METERS

h = 50 meters BD = 827.6 METERS

h = 100 meters BD = 667.6 METERS


No terrestrial refraction formula/looming formula can account for this extraordinary proof that the surface across lake Michigan is flat.

In fact: http://ireland.iol.ie/~geniet/eng/refract.htm#

If we use h = 50 for the observer, and 140 for the distant object height, we get a negative answer: no way it could be seen over a 128 km distance; while the actual data for the account is h = 5 m, and d = 40 m.


Looming/modified lapse rate:

http://mintaka.sdsu.edu/GF/explain/atmos_refr/altitudes.html

The formula used here does not recognize the change in the range of temperature values, nor do we know if it takes into consideration the very basic formula I posted earlier for the visual obstacle: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=28196.msg674444#msg674444 - however, it is an excellent place to start and to explore the effect of looming/ducting on the visual target being observed.

Let us use several values, starting with the value of 15 C for that day (Milwaukee/Racine/Holland/Grand Haven) and increasing the value for the target by 1-3 degrees.

For a value of 15 C overall we get of course a negative altitude value of the target.

For a value of 16 C (for the target) we get, again, a negative altitude value for the target (−0.317 degrees of arc) - target is hidden by horizon

For a value of 17 C (for the target) we get: −0.207 degrees of arc, target is hidden by horizon

For a value of 18 C (for the target) we get: −0.098 degrees of arc, target is hidden by horizon


Let us decrease the value to 12 C.

Increasing the value for the target to 15 C degrees, again, we get negative values. This would also correspond to a huge k = 0.613 value.

From the textbook on atmospheric science:

 "So the ray curvature for an arbitrary lapse rate  γ K/m will be

k  = ( 0.034 − γ ) / 0.154

where we take γ to be positive if the temperature decreases with height, and a positive curvature means a ray concave toward the Earth.

Example 1: the Standard Atmosphere:

In the Standard Atmosphere, the lapse rate is 6.5°/km or  γ = 0.0065 K/m. The numerator of the formula above becomes .034 − .0065 = .0275, so the ratio k is about 1/5.6 or 0.179. In other words, the ray curvature is not quite 18% that of the Earth; the radius of curvature of the ray is about 5.6 times the Earth's radius.

Example 2: free convection:

In free convection, the (adiabatic) lapse rate is about 10.6°/km or  γ = 0.0106 K/m. The numerator of the formula above becomes .034 − .0106 = .0234, so the ratio k is about 1/6.6 or 0.152. In other words, the ray curvature is about 15% that of the Earth; the radius of curvature of the ray is about 6.6 times the Earth's radius. This is close to the condition of the atmosphere near the ground in the middle of the day, when most surveying is done; the value calculated is close to the values found in practical survey work."


Moreover, as we have seen, the light from Windy Point was continuously observed, during the approach, and during the return to the station:

The power boat was headed due west and after running a distance of six or seven miles the light became clearer, but seemed to be but little nearer.  The crew kept on going, however, and at a distance of about ten and twelve miles out, a beautiful panorama of light unfolded before the eyes of the coast guards.

The keeper ordered the boat back to the station.  The lights remained visible for the greater part of the run, and the flare of the Windy Point light house could be seen after the crew reached the station here.



Now, the calculation for the most pronounced form of looming: ducting.

However, ducting requires the value for the ray curvature, k, to be greater than or equal to 1.

This amounts to at least a five degree difference in temperature.

With 10C in Grand Haven (or Holland) and 15C in Racine, we get k = 1.182.


For the very same geographical/hydrographical conditions, for the same latitude in question, for cities located on the opposite shores of Lake Michigan, it is absolutely impossible to have a five degree difference, at the very same instant of time - moreover, looming/ducting do not apply to the two cases presented here:

FURTHERMORE, as we have seen, the light from the lighthouse located in Racine was seen all of the time.

For the second case exemplifed here, see below, Mr. Kanis did see the very shape of the buildings: in the case of ducting/looming a very distorted image would appear making it instantly recognizable:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Superopr_mirage_sequence.jpg
http://3sky.de/Div/Luftspieg/Summary.html
http://finland.fi/public/default.aspx?contentid=160069&contentlan=2&culture=en-US







'As twilight deepened, there were more and more lights.'

Bringing out a pair of binoculars, Kanis said he was able to make out the shape of some buildings.

'With the binoculars we could make out three different communities,' Kanis said.

According to one Coast Guard crewman, it is possible to see city lights across the lake at very specific times.

Currently a Coast Guard crewman stationed in Holland, Todd Reed has worked on the east side of Lake Michigan for 30 years and said he's been able to see lights across the lake at least a dozen times.

The highest building in Milwaukee has a height of 183 meters, the difference from h = 5 meters in altitude being 946 meters, and those residents saw the buildings from THREE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, two of which have buildings whose heights measure way under 183 meters.

Therefore, the only way those buildings could be seen, given the 128 km distance, would be if the surface of Lake Michigan is completely flat.

THE TALLEST BUILDING IN RACINE IS THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE, 40 METERS; IT WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE THIS COURTHOUSE FROM 128 KM DISTANCE, FROM HOLLAND.



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Re: Earths Curvature and spin effect on long range ballistics.
« Reply #86 on: October 04, 2018, 09:44:43 PM »
Earthly physically observable phenomena gives way to the necessity of understanding, describing and creating formulas to calculate and give explanation.
 
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Atmospheric circulation sans earth rotation.
 
If the Earth did not rotate on its axis, the atmosphere would only circulate between the poles and the equator in a simple back-and-forth pattern. Click the image for a larger view.
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Coriolis effect on atmospheric circulation.
 
Because the Earth rotates on its axis, circulating air is deflected toward the right in the Northern Hemisphere and toward the left in the Southern Hemisphere. This deflection is called the Coriolis effect. Click the image for a larger view.
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Coastal currents are affected by local winds. Surface ocean currents, which occur on the open ocean, are driven by a complex global wind system. To understand the effects of winds on ocean currents, one first needs to understand the Coriolis force and the Ekman spiral.

Coriolis Effect

If the Earth did not rotate and remained stationary, the atmosphere would circulate between the poles (high pressure areas) and the equator (a low pressure area) in a simple back-and-forth pattern. But because the Earth rotates, circulating air is deflected. Instead of circulating in a straight pattern, the air deflects toward the right in the Northern Hemisphere and toward the left in the Southern Hemisphere, resulting in curved paths. This deflection is called the Coriolis effect. It is named after the French mathematician Gaspard Gustave de Coriolis (1792-1843), who studied the transfer of energy in rotating systems like waterwheels. (Ross, 1995).

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/kits/currents/05currents1.html


    The Coriolis effect describes the pattern of deflection taken by objects not firmly connected to the ground as they travel long distances around and above the Earth. The Coriolis effect is responsible for many large-scale weather patterns.
     
    The key to the Coriolis effect lies in the Earth’s rotation. Specifically, the Earth rotates faster at the Equator than it does at the poles. Earth is wider at the Equator, so to make a rotation in one 24-hour period, equatorial regions race nearly 1,674 kilometers per hour (1,040 miles per hour). Near the poles, the Earth rotates at a sluggish .00008 kph (.00005 mph).
     
    Let’s pretend you’re standing at the Equator and you want to throw a ball to your friend in the middle of North America. If you throw the ball in a straight line, it will appear to land to the right of your friend because he’s moving slower and has not caught up.
     
    Now let’s pretend you’re standing at the North Pole. When you throw the ball to your friend, it will again to appear to land to the right of him. But this time, it’s because he’s moving faster than you are and has moved ahead of the ball.
     
    Everywhere you play global-scale "catch" in the Northern Hemisphere, the ball will deflect to the right.
     
    This apparent deflection is the Coriolis effect. Fluids traveling across large areas, such as air currents, are like the path of the ball. They appear to bend to the right in the Northern Hemisphere. The Coriolis effect behaves the opposite way in the Southern Hemisphere, where currents to bend to the left.
     
    The impact of the Coriolis effect is dependent on velocity—the velocity of the Earth and the velocity of the object or fluid being deflected by the Coriolis effect. The impact of the Coriolis effect is most significant with high speeds or long distances.
     
    Weather Patterns
     
    The development of weather patterns, such as cyclones and trade winds, are examples of the impact of the Coriolis effect.
     
    Cyclones are low-pressure systems that suck air into their center “eye.” In the Northern Hemisphere, fluids from high-pressure systems pass low-pressure systems to their right. As air masses are pulled into cyclones from all directions, they are deflected, and the storm system—a hurricane—seems to rotate counter-clockwise.
     
    In the Southern Hemisphere, currents are deflected to the left. As a result, storm systems seem to rotate clockwise.
     
    Outside storm systems, the impact of the Coriolis effect helps define regular wind patterns around the globe.
     
    As warm air rises near the Equator, for instance, it flows toward the poles. In the Northern Hemisphere, these warm air currents are deflected to the right (east) as they move northward. The currents descend back toward Earth at about 30° north latitude. As the current descends, it gradually moves from the northeast to the southwest, back toward the Equator. The consistently circulating patterns of these air masses are known as trade winds.
     
    Impact on Human Activity
     
    The weather impacting fast-moving objects, such as airplanes and rockets, is influenced by the Coriolis effect. The directions of prevailing winds are largely determined by the Coriolis effect, and pilots must take that into account when charting flight paths over long distances.
     
    Military snipers sometimes have to consider the Coriolis effect. Although the trajectory of bullets is too short to be greatly impacted by the Earth’s rotation, sniper targeting is so precise that a deflection of several centimeters could injure innocent people or damage civilian infrastructure.
     
    The Coriolis Effect on Other Planets
     
    The Earth rotates fairly slowly, compared with other planets. The slow rotation of the Earth means the Coriolis effect is not strong enough to be seen at slow speeds over short distances, such as the draining of water in a bathtub.
     
    Jupiter, on the other hand, has the fastest rotation in the solar system. On Jupiter, the Coriolis effect actually transforms north-south winds into east-west winds, some traveling more than 610 kilometers per hour (380 miles per hour).
     
    The divisions between winds that blow mostly to the east and those that blow mostly to the west create clear horizontal divisions, called belts, among the planet’s clouds. The boundaries between these fast-moving belts are incredibly active storm regions. The 180-year-old Great Red Spot is perhaps the most famous of these storms.
     
    The Coriolis Effect Closer to Home
     
    Despite the popular urban legend, you cannot observe the Coriolis effect by watching a toilet flush or a swimming pool drain. The movement of fluids in these basins is dependent on manufacturer’s design (toilet) or outside forces such as a strong breeze or movement of swimmers (pool).
     
    You can observe the Coriolis effect without access to satellite imagery of hurricanes, however. You could observe the Coriolis effect if you and some friends sat on a rotating merry-go-round and threw or rolled a ball back and forth.
     
    When the merry-go-round is not rotating, rolling the ball back-and-forth is simple and straightforward. While the merry-go-round is rotating, however, the ball won’t make to your friend sitting across from you without significant force. Rolled with regular effort, the ball appears to curve, or deflect, to the right.
     
    Actually, the ball is traveling in a straight line. Another friend, standing on the ground near the merry-go-round, will be able to tell you this. You and your friends on the merry-go-round are moving out of the path of the ball while it is in the air.
    Coriolis effect
    Storms in the north swing counter-clockwise: the Coriolis effect.
    Storms in the south swing with the clock, and winds tend to pass to the left!

    Photograph courtesy NASA, Jeff Schmaltz, MODIS Land Rapid Response Team at NASA GSFC

    Coriolis Force
    The invisible force that appears to deflect the wind is the Coriolis force. The Coriolis force applies to movement on rotating objects. It is determined by the mass of the object and the object's rate of rotation. The Coriolis force is perpendicular to the object's axis. The Earth spins on its axis from west to east. The Coriolis force, therefore, acts in a north-south direction. The Coriolis force is zero at the Equator.

    Though the Coriolis force is useful in mathematical equations, there is actually no physical force involved. Instead, it is just the ground moving at a different speed than an object in the air.
    Polar Power
    The Coriolis force is strongest near the poles, and absent at the Equator. Cyclones need the Coriolis force in order to circulate. For this reasons, hurricanes almost never occur in equatorial regions, and never cross the Equator itself.

Articles & Profiles

    Professor Seligman: Coriolis Effects
    Hayden Planetarium: Neil DeGrasse Tyson—The Coriolis Force
    NOAA Ocean Service Education: Surface Ocean Currents
    NOAA SciJinks: What is the Coriolis Effect?

https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/coriolis-effect/

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Re: Earths Curvature and spin effect on long range ballistics.
« Reply #87 on: October 04, 2018, 09:57:11 PM »
The formulas related to Coriolis acceleration and Coriolis force can be found here:

Coriolis force - Wikipedia

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The big omega (Ω

) is the angular velocity of the rotation frame of reference, which is the angular velocity of the earth about its polar axis. The velocity of the object that experiences the effect is v. Its mass is m.

It’s that cross-product vector operator that helps us figure out what would happen at the poles and at the equator. The cross product is zero when the two vectors are in the same direction (including directly opposite). It is largest when the angle between them is 90°.

Ω

is parallel to the polar axis. So if you are at the equator and moving north or south (which is exactly parallel to the polar axis), then the Coriolis acceleration and force are zero. If you are traveling east or west, then the effect is present, but its direction of action is vertical. in this case, the Coriolis force pushes straight up or straight down. It changes your weight ever so slightly. So the Coriolis effect exists at the equator, it just doesn’t have an effect that we notice.

At the poles, any velocity along the surface of the earth is at 90° to the polar axis and so the Coriolis effects pushes sideways for all those cases. If you jumped vertically at the pole, there would be no Coriolis force since your velocity would be parallel to the axis of rotation and the result of the cross product would be zero.

If you jumped vertically at the equator, then that would produce a Coriolis force. In some sense, rockets launched at the equator take advantage of that Coriolis force to help them go into orbit in an easterly direction.
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Re: Earths Curvature and spin effect on long range ballistics.
« Reply #88 on: October 04, 2018, 10:01:00 PM »
Within science this is called: "Evidence for a spinning globe".

You will be disappointed again.

The FE equation with a fixed g is the WRONG formula.

g is a variable.

As such, we can immediately obtain the correct value for the entire calculation.

Within science this is called "Fraud"; changing a physical constant into a variable to make the outcome of a calculation fit your philosophical agenda.

Spinning globe you say...

But there is no curvature whatsoever across lake Michigan.

 
Grand Haven Daily Tribune   April 3, 1925

COAST GUARDS SEE MILWAUKEE LIGHTS GLEAM.....

That this 93 years afterwards still is remembered as a rare and unexplainable occasion proves there is a lot of curvature across lake Michigan, otherwise such observations would be that commonplace that nobody would bother talking about it, and we in Holland Europe would be accustomed to see the English coastline and lighthouses from our dunes.

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Re: Earths Curvature and spin effect on long range ballistics.
« Reply #89 on: October 04, 2018, 10:05:40 PM »
Given that there is a few inches difference on the targets, I would consider the effect a waste of time to account for at shorter distances.

Unless the sniper is 100% on all other hard-to-predict variables, a few inches can be the difference between a kill shot and a miss.

Arguing that snipers do not use Coriolis does because it is a 'waste of time' does not help the Round Earth argument that snipers account for Coriolis when sniping. That significantly weakens the argument that this effect actually exists.

I think you misunderstood my point, I was specifying that the effect is negligible enough at ranges of 100 to 1000 yards that it would still guarantee an effective hit.
I acknowledge that below 1000 yards, it would likely not be worth mentioning in the manual. The snipers are likely being asked to calculate the most important factors. In war, an injury is much more useful than a kill, it affects morale, takes time and resources to treat and still, effectively, takes them out of the fight.

Given that the fellow in the video is trying to sell a more accurate system, it would be in his best interest to focus on the Coriolis minutia. Especially if his market is for folks who shoot more than 1000 yards or are fascinated with every bit of gun they can get.
I’m glad you’re not arguing that the guy in the video was being deceptive or the results were skewed for some reason. I wouldn’t be able to argue against it, but it would make any further attempts at truth seeking pointless.

Also, I don’t care about Coriolis proving a round world. I know it exists and am happy for your model to be an interesting thought experiment. I also think I can bring it into the fold of a non-spinning disc without relying on ether/aether (working on it for a diff post).

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Re: Earths Curvature and spin effect on long range ballistics.
« Reply #90 on: October 04, 2018, 11:18:28 PM »
I think you can step away from the maths for a short while.


Let's say you fire a bullet North from the equator. RET states that bullet will miss its target and go a few inches to the right as the bullet went straight and the earth moved left.

Now consider an aircraft flying North. The aircraft goes North and the earth moves left. In fact the earth moves so far left, it wouldn't be possible to land at the airfield to the North as the earth moves away faster than the aircraft can fly.

So, you seem to want it both ways. You insist a bullet must be affected by Coriolis and that an aircraft isn't. Which is it? They both fly through the air (they can both be doing comparable speeds), the aircraft has a longer time in the air and travels further so should be more affected. But the aircraft has no affect at all ... and yet the bullet somehow does. This is picking and choosing. The thing you know to be true (an aircraft isn't affected by Coriolis as it flies North) you ignore as it doesn't fit your theory ... and the thing you haven't checked (firing a bullet North accurately) you take as read because Hollywood makes a thing about snipers being so good they even take into account the spin of the earth when they fire.

I'd like to know why Coriolis affects bullets and why aircraft are immune to its power, please? FET has this covered ... no Coriolis. Neither affected. How to you end up with selective Coriolis?
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Re: Earths Curvature and spin effect on long range ballistics.
« Reply #91 on: October 04, 2018, 11:25:24 PM »
Because inertial forces like the Coriolis force and the centrifugal force do not exist.

Completely wrong.

The author of this statement has no knowledge of the original set of J.C. Maxwell's equations, which do include the Coriolis term/vorticity.

Dr. Frederick Tombe explains:

Not at all completely wrong.

The authors and papers you are referring to do not dispute the fact that the Coriolis force is an inertial force, and that the path of a bullet over the surface of the earth is straight, not curved.

My point was that if the earth is not spinning, and the bullets trajectory is curved, then this curve can not be the result of an "inertial force" as you claim, and the curved trajectory of the bullet above a stationary earth has nothing to do with the Coriolis effect.

Even if science would change their mind about the fictitious status of inertial forces, you (those who claim the physical the earth is not spinning) still need another force than an inertial one to prove your case, because above a stationary surface a curved trajectory has nothing to do with the Coriolis effect.

I'm to understand that without Coriolis inertial force created by the earth moving causing the bullet to go right or left of the target, we have a stationary earth? That leave us to believe there is a force pushing the bullet off target?
I'm to understand this force is created by the mas of stars moon and sun along with matter Moving in one direction?
What I don't understand is how the bullet is deflected the opposite direction what we see in the sky no mater which hemisphere you're on?

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Re: Earths Curvature and spin effect on long range ballistics.
« Reply #92 on: October 05, 2018, 01:00:22 AM »
I think you can step away from the maths for a short while.


Let's say you fire a bullet North from the equator. RET states that bullet will miss its target and go a few inches to the right as the bullet went straight and the earth moved left.

Now consider an aircraft flying North. The aircraft goes North and the earth moves left. In fact the earth moves so far left, it wouldn't be possible to land at the airfield to the North as the earth moves away faster than the aircraft can fly.

So, you seem to want it both ways. You insist a bullet must be affected by Coriolis and that an aircraft isn't. Which is it? They both fly through the air (they can both be doing comparable speeds), the aircraft has a longer time in the air and travels further so should be more affected. But the aircraft has no affect at all ... and yet the bullet somehow does. This is picking and choosing. The thing you know to be true (an aircraft isn't affected by Coriolis as it flies North) you ignore as it doesn't fit your theory ... and the thing you haven't checked (firing a bullet North accurately) you take as read because Hollywood makes a thing about snipers being so good they even take into account the spin of the earth when they fire.

I'd like to know why Coriolis affects bullets and why aircraft are immune to its power, please? FET has this covered ... no Coriolis. Neither affected. How to you end up with selective Coriolis?
Your facts are incorrect.
#1 on average bullets fly twice the speed of commercial jets.
#2 Lateral Inertial forces on the bullet are greater at the equator than the lateral movement of the target to the north, is why it hits to the right of target.
But shooting from north of the equator to the equator the lateral inertial force of the bullet is slower than the target is moving to the east. Again causing it to hit to the right.
Aircraft are affected less due to mass and many other factors including propulsion, ability to adjust direction of path while in flight and wings that cause them to be highly influence by air pressure.

https://davidson.weizmann.ac.il/en/online/askexpert/physics/motion-planes-influenced-rotation-earth



Planes and bullets are both affected by Coriolis effects. The bullet will be more affected than the plane, because it's velocity is higher, but that's only the tiniest part of the story.

Bullets are unguided projectiles. They go where the physics says they go. Any effects due to Coriolis are unabated. Also, bullets which are fired at distances where Coriolis really start to matter are also trying to hit a very small target. Small effects are very noticeable.

Planes are controlled. There is a guidance system (such as a pilot) which is trying to keep it on course. This is important because there are forces that will deflect the plane off course which are orders of magnitude more powerful than the Coreolis effect. If there was not active correction, those other forces would virtually guarantee that we never arrived at our destination.

Because there's a guidance system in play, we rapidly trim the aircraft to counteract the Coreolis effect as a side effect of trying to trim the aircraft for all of the much bigger forces at play. There may be a slight deflection of the rudder associated with the Coreolis effect, but you would be hard pressed to identify it amidst all the other forces.

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/171048/coriolis-force-on-bullet-vs-airplane

   
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Re: Earths Curvature and spin effect on long range ballistics.
« Reply #93 on: October 05, 2018, 01:24:33 AM »
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Your facts are incorrect.
#1 on average bullets fly twice the speed of commercial jets.
#2 Lateral Inertial forces on the bullet are greater at the equator than the lateral movement of the target to the north, is why it hits to the right of target.
But shooting from north of the equator to the equator the lateral inertial force of the bullet is slower than the target is moving to the east. Again causing it to hit to the right.
Aircraft are affected less due to mass and many other factors including propulsion, ability to adjust direction of path while in flight and wings that cause them to be highly influence by air pressure.

https://davidson.weizmann.ac.il/en/online/askexpert/physics/motion-planes-influenced-rotation-earth

Planes and bullets are both affected by Coriolis effects. The bullet will be more affected than the plane, because it's velocity is higher, but that's only the tiniest part of the story.

Bullets are unguided projectiles. They go where the physics says they go. Any effects due to Coriolis are unabated. Also, bullets which are fired at distances where Coriolis really start to matter are also trying to hit a very small target. Small effects are very noticeable.

Planes are controlled. There is a guidance system (such as a pilot) which is trying to keep it on course. This is important because there are forces that will deflect the plane off course which are orders of magnitude more powerful than the Coreolis effect. If there was not active correction, those other forces would virtually guarantee that we never arrived at our destination.

Because there's a guidance system in play, we rapidly trim the aircraft to counteract the Coreolis effect as a side effect of trying to trim the aircraft for all of the much bigger forces at play. There may be a slight deflection of the rudder associated with the Coreolis effect, but you would be hard pressed to identify it amidst all the other forces.

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/171048/coriolis-force-on-bullet-vs-airplane

This is the most ridiculous understanding of physics I have encountered. Why should it matter whether the bullet or airplane is moving faster or slower, as to be affected by the Coriolis Effect? Is there some kind of speed detector where this effect turns on?
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Re: Earths Curvature and spin effect on long range ballistics.
« Reply #94 on: October 05, 2018, 01:32:32 AM »
Where are those Tycho Bahe experiments you claimed proved no rotation of the earth?

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« Reply #95 on: October 05, 2018, 01:40:29 AM »
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Your facts are incorrect.
#1 on average bullets fly twice the speed of commercial jets.
#2 Lateral Inertial forces on the bullet are greater at the equator than the lateral movement of the target to the north, is why it hits to the right of target.
But shooting from north of the equator to the equator the lateral inertial force of the bullet is slower than the target is moving to the east. Again causing it to hit to the right.
Aircraft are affected less due to mass and many other factors including propulsion, ability to adjust direction of path while in flight and wings that cause them to be highly influence by air pressure.

https://davidson.weizmann.ac.il/en/online/askexpert/physics/motion-planes-influenced-rotation-earth

Planes and bullets are both affected by Coriolis effects. The bullet will be more affected than the plane, because it's velocity is higher, but that's only the tiniest part of the story.

Bullets are unguided projectiles. They go where the physics says they go. Any effects due to Coriolis are unabated. Also, bullets which are fired at distances where Coriolis really start to matter are also trying to hit a very small target. Small effects are very noticeable.

Planes are controlled. There is a guidance system (such as a pilot) which is trying to keep it on course. This is important because there are forces that will deflect the plane off course which are orders of magnitude more powerful than the Coreolis effect. If there was not active correction, those other forces would virtually guarantee that we never arrived at our destination.

Because there's a guidance system in play, we rapidly trim the aircraft to counteract the Coreolis effect as a side effect of trying to trim the aircraft for all of the much bigger forces at play. There may be a slight deflection of the rudder associated with the Coreolis effect, but you would be hard pressed to identify it amidst all the other forces.

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/171048/coriolis-force-on-bullet-vs-airplane

This is the most ridiculous understanding of physics I have encountered. Why should it matter whether the bullet or airplane is moving faster or slower, as to be affected by the Coriolis Effect? Is there some kind of speed detector where this effect turns on?
What's there to not understand about how hugely everything is affected differently by different velocities.

Nothing turns on. It's explained in articles in the links I shared to the Davidson institution of Science and Education.
It's pretty bold to of you Tom to site that as a ridiculous understanding of physics. And by the way that sounded like a personal attack on me or the DISE, or both. I thought this was a site that debated and discuses information?
But anyway, more than having to do with speed and distance I think is has to do with the fact that comparing a plane to a bullet is like comparing a ball to a sheet of paper.
But here's a little inexpensive experiment you can do Tom.
Make a paper airplane, take a marble, throw them and note how different they act.
 
   

 
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Re: Earths Curvature and spin effect on long range ballistics.
« Reply #96 on: October 05, 2018, 04:07:08 AM »
Given that there is a few inches difference on the targets, I would consider the effect a waste of time to account for at shorter distances.

Unless the sniper is 100% on all other hard-to-predict variables, a few inches can be the difference between a kill shot and a miss.

Arguing that snipers do not use Coriolis does because it is a 'waste of time' does not help the Round Earth argument that snipers account for Coriolis when sniping. That significantly weakens the argument that this effect actually exists.

I think you misunderstood my point, I was specifying that the effect is negligible enough at ranges of 100 to 1000 yards that it would still guarantee an effective hit.
I acknowledge that below 1000 yards, it would likely not be worth mentioning in the manual. The snipers are likely being asked to calculate the most important factors. In war, an injury is much more useful than a kill, it affects morale, takes time and resources to treat and still, effectively, takes them out of the fight.

Given that the fellow in the video is trying to sell a more accurate system, it would be in his best interest to focus on the Coriolis minutia. Especially if his market is for folks who shoot more than 1000 yards or are fascinated with every bit of gun they can get.
I’m glad you’re not arguing that the guy in the video was being deceptive or the results were skewed for some reason. I wouldn’t be able to argue against it, but it would make any further attempts at truth seeking pointless.

Also, I don’t care about Coriolis proving a round world. I know it exists and am happy for your model to be an interesting thought experiment. I also think I can bring it into the fold of a non-spinning disc without relying on ether/aether (working on it for a diff post).

A couple things I would like point.
#1 one main component of their job is the "kill" shot. they are assassins.
# I also think Tom misunderstood, but I'd still like to point out that using the minute measurable deflection at such short distances absolutely strengthens the argument of this effects existence..     

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« Reply #97 on: October 05, 2018, 05:23:11 AM »
Within science this is called "Fraud"; changing a physical constant into a variable to make the outcome of a calculation fit your philosophical agenda.

Science is based on experiment.

It takes a single counterexample to invalidate a hypothesis.

NIPHER EFFECT

“Dr. Francis Nipher, Professor of physics, Washington University, St. Louis, Missouri, did some of the pioneering electrogravitics work at Washington University in St. Louis back around the turn of the last century. He applied high voltage to lead balls, lead spheres and hollow metal boxes and compared the repulsive effect induced in small test spheres hung vertically near them, similar to the original Cavendish experiments but with high voltage. Dr. Nipher went to great lengths to insert protective, grounded screens of glass between the solid lead spheres and the suspended balls to rule out electrostatic effects.”

Before connecting any form of electric current to the modified Cavendish apparatus, Prof.  Nipher took special precaution to carefully screen the moving element from any electrostatic or electromagnetic effects. His apparatus briefly consists of two large lead spheres ten inches in diameter, resting upon heavy sheets of hard rubber. Two small lead balls, each one inch in diameter, were now suspended from two silk threads, stationed at the sides of the two large lead spheres, from which they were separated by a little distance. Moreover, the suspended balls were insulated elaborately from the large spheres by enclosing them first airtight in a long wooden box, which was also covered with tinned iron sheets as well as cardboard sheets. There was, furthermore, a metal shield between the box and the large metal spheres. The large metal lead spheres now exerted a certain gravitational force upon the suspended small lead balls … and the small lead balls were slightly moved over towards the large spheres.

In further experiments Prof.  Nipher decided to check his results. To do this he replaced the large solid lead spheres with two metal boxes, each filled with loose cotton batting. These hollow boxes (having practically no mass) rested upon insulators. They were separated from the protective screen by sheets of glass and were grounded to it by heavy copper wires. The metal boxes were then charged in every way that the solid lead spheres had been, but not the slightest change in the position of the lead balls could be detected. This would seem to prove conclusively that the "repulsion" and "gravitational nullification" effects that he had produced when the solid balls were electrically charged were genuine and based undoubtedly on a true inter-atomic electrical reaction, and not upon any form of electrostatic or electromagnetic effects between the large and small masses. If they had been, the metal boxes, with no mass, would have served as well as the solid balls.


The relationship between gravitation and the electric field was first observed experimentally by Dr. Francis Nipher. Nipher's conclusion was that sheilded electrostatic fields directly influence the action of gravitation. He further concluded that gravitation and electrical fields are absolutely linked.

http://www.rexresearch.com/nipher/nipher1.htm

New Evidence of a Relation Between Gravitation & Electrical Action (1920)
Gravitational Repulsion (1916)
Gravitation & Electrical Action (1916)
Can Electricity Reverse the Effect of Gravity? (1918)

The relationship between gravitation and the electric field was first observed experimentally by Dr. Francis Nipher. Dr. Francis Nipher conducted extensive experiments during 1918, on a modified Cavendish experiment. He reproduced the classical arrangements for the experiment, where gravitational attraction could be measured between free-swinging masses, and a large fixed central mass. Dr. Nipher modified the Cavendish experiment by applying a large electrical field to the large central mass, which was sheilded inside a Faraday cage. When electrostatic charge was applied to the large fixed mass, the free-swinging masses exhibited a reduced attraction to the central mass, when the central mass was only slightly charged. As the electric field strength was increased, there arose a voltage threshold which resulted in no attraction at all between the fixed mass and the free-swinging masses. Increasing the potential applied to the central mass beyond that threshold, resulted in the free-swinging masses being repelled (!) from the fixed central mass. Nipher's conclusion was that sheilded electrostatic fields directly influence the action of gravitation. He further concluded that gravitation and electrical fields are absolutely linked.


"These results seem to indicate clearly that gravitational attraction between masses of matter depends upon electrical potential due to electrical charges upon them."

Every working day of the following college year has been devoted to testing the validity of the above statement. No results in conflict with it have been obtained. Not only has gravitational attraction been diminished by electrification of the attracting bodies when direct electrical action has been wholly cut off by a metal shield, but it has been made negative. It has been converted into a repulsion. This result has been obtained many times throughout the year. On one occasion during the latter part of the year, this repulsion was made somewhat more than twice as great as normal attraction."

Increasing the potential applied to the central mass beyond that threshold, resulted in the free-swinging masses being repelled (!) from the fixed central mass. Nipher's conclusion was that sheilded electrostatic fields directly influence the action of gravitation. He further concluded that gravitation and electrical fields are absolutely linked.

Dr. Francis Nipher one of the most distinguished physicists of the United States:

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/missouri/biography-of-francis-eugene-nipher-ll-d.htm


Modern science is a FRAUD: it is ignoring the definite proofs obtained by Professor Nipher, g is a variable.


BIEFELD-BROWN EFFECT

Dr. Paul Biefeld used to do Einstein's homework while they were studying at the  Polytechnic University in Zurich in 1900.

Dr. Paul Biefeld was a classmate of A. Einstein.

 “Yes,” Biefeld told the Denison campus newspaper, “when Einstein would forget to go to a class, he would come and borrow my notes to get caught up on what he had missed."

Experimental proof that the vacuum consists of ether.



(vacuum test performed by Gravitec, increasing the voltage from 15kv to 18 kv, clear movement/thrust of the capacitor can be seen; near the end the power is switched off, and then turned on again, and we can the visible thrust of the capacitor for a second time)

The first video supplied by Gravitec in 2003:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1852363#msg1852363 (vacuum test #1, Biefeld-Brown effect part I, contains the experiments performed by T. Brown in oil)



One of the best videos which exemplifies the Biefeld-Brown effect in vacuum:

https://web.archive.org/web/20050216062907/http://www-personal.umich.edu/~reginald/liftvac.html


http://lifters.online.fr/lifters/ascvacuum/index.htm (includes all necessary technical information and the video itself)


At the pressure of 1.72 x 10^-6 Torr ( High Vacuum conditions ), the apparatus rotates when the High Voltage is increased from 0 to +45 KV.


Dr. Takaaki Musha
Advanced Space Propulsion Investigation Committee (ASPIC)
Research Engineer on Naval Systems, Technical Research & Development Institute
Honda R&D Institute, Biefeld-Brown effect experiments

http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/musha/Musha.pdf

Explanation of dynamical Biefeld-Brown Effect from the standpoint of ZPF field

In 1956, T.T. Brown presented a discovery known as the Biefeld-Bown effect (abbreviated B-B effect) that a sufficiently charged capacitor with dielectrics exhibited unidirectional thrust in the direction of the positive plate.

From the 1st of February until the 1st of March in 1996, the research group of the HONDA R&D Institute conducted experiments to verify the B-B effect with an improved experimental device which rejected the influence of corona discharges and electric wind around the capacitor by setting the capacitor in the insulator oil contained within a metallic vessel . . . The experimental results measured by the Honda research group are shown . . .

. . . The theoretical analysis result suggests that the impulsive electric field applied to the dielectric material may produce a sufficient artificial gravity to attain velocities comparable to chemical rockets.


https://web.archive.org/web/20120710005059/http://www.ovaltech.ca/pdfss/Theoretical_Explanation_of_the_Biefield-Brown_Effect.pdf

Experiments carried out at the HONDA R&D Institute confirm that the Biefeld-Brown effect is real.

Direct experimental proof that the ether propagates through vacuum, causing the antigravitational Biefeld-Brown effect.

No gas left in the experiments: they were performed in vacuum.

Calculations indicate that ionic wind is at least three orders of magnitude too small to explain the magnitude of the observed force on the capacitor (in open air experiments).

Also the experiments carried out at the Honda R&D eliminated the possibility of ionic winds.


That this 93 years afterwards still is remembered as a rare and unexplainable occasion proves there is a lot of curvature across lake Michigan, otherwise such observations would be that commonplace that nobody would bother talking about it, and we in Holland Europe would be accustomed to see the English coastline and lighthouses from our dunes.

You still don't get it.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to see a 40 meter tall building from a distance of 128 km on a spherical earth: no looming/ducting formulas will help you.

The County Courthouse was seen from a distance of 128 km: the observer was located right on the eastern shoreline of lake Michigan.

The lighthouse (height of 33 meters) was seen from the deck of the ship (3-5 meters in height) which was located right next to the eastern shoreline of lake Michigan, over a distance of 128 km.

The curvature measures 321 meters, the visual obstacle measures 1130 meters.

It takes a single counterexample to invalidate a hypothesis.

It is a total FRAUD on your part to go on believing in a "speeding globe" when the proof is very clear: there is no curvature whatsoever across lake Michigan.



Holland you say...

The English Channel: 34 km distance from Cap Gris Nez to Dover, a curvature of some 22.4 meters on a round earth.




The original webpages, as they were posted on flickr.com

The photographers located between Cap Blanc Nez and Cap Gris Nez: we will ascend to 30 meters.



And now the photograph itself: no curvature whatsoever, all the way to the other shoreline, the Dover cliffs seen in their entirety (on a round earth, from 30 meters, we could not see anything under 16.5 meters from the other side), the ships are not part of an ascending/descending slope, no midpoint curvature of 22.4 meters:



Another photograph taken right on the beach of Cap Gris Nez: no curvature over a distance of 34 km:



Dover cliffs:




No curvature whatsoever across the English Channel: you believe in a TOTAL FRAUD, which manifests itself as cognitive dissonance, the inability to accept reality.
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Re: Earths Curvature and spin effect on long range ballistics.
« Reply #98 on: October 05, 2018, 05:42:52 AM »
I'd like to know why Coriolis affects bullets and why aircraft are immune to its power, please? FET has this covered ... no Coriolis. Neither affected. How to you end up with selective Coriolis?

The Coriolis force exerted by the ether drift is real: it was measured by Michelson and Gale in 1925.

The selectiveness is due to the fact that the engines of the airplane will be subjected to the Schauberger effect, in addition to the DePalma effect.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2044376#msg2044376 (Schauberger effect for jet engines, it was Viktor Schauberger who invented the jet engine)


Spinning globe...

Let's put your word to the test.

If the Earth were to orbit the Sun at some 30km/s, the GPS satellites would immediately register the ORBITAL SAGNAC EFFECT, which they do not.

In fact, the GPS on your phone works even because the orbital Sagnac is missing, otherwise the precision would be degraded in an instant of time by hundreds of meters, if not kilometers.


http://qem.ee.nthu.edu.tw/f1b.pdf

This is an IOP article.

The author recognizes the earth's orbital Sagnac is missing whereas the earth's rotational Sagnac is not.

He uses GPS and a link between Japan and the US to prove this.

In GPS the actual magnitude of the Sagnac correction
due to earth’s rotation depends on the positions of
satellites and receiver and a typical value is 30 m, as the
propagation time is about 0.1s and the linear speed due
to earth’s rotation is about 464 m/s at the equator. The
GPS provides an accuracy of about 10 m or better in positioning.
Thus the precision of GPS will be degraded significantly,
if the Sagnac correction due to earth’s rotation
is not taken into account. On the other hand, the orbital
motion of the earth around the sun has a linear speed of
about 30 km/s which is about 100 times that of earth’s
rotation. Thus the present high-precision GPS would be
entirely impossible if the omitted correction due to orbital
motion is really necessary.


In an intercontinental microwave link between Japan and
the USA via a geostationary satellite as relay, the influence
of earth’s rotation is also demonstrated in a high-precision
time comparison between the atomic clocks at two remote
ground stations.
In this transpacific-link experiment, a synchronization
error of as large as about 0.3 µs was observed unexpectedly.


Meanwhile, as in GPS, no effects of earth’s orbital motion
are reported in these links, although they would be
easier to observe if they are in existence. Thereby, it is evident
that the wave propagation in GPS or the intercontinental
microwave link depends on the earth’s rotation, but
is entirely independent of earth’s orbital motion around
the sun or whatever. As a consequence, the propagation
mechanism in GPS or intercontinental link can be viewed
as classical in conjunction with an ECI frame, rather than
the ECEF or any other frame, being selected as the unique
propagation frame. In other words, the wave in GPS or the
intercontinental microwave link can be viewed as propagating
via a classical medium stationary in a geocentric
inertial frame.


These are the calculations performed by some of the best mathematicians in the world for the LISA project.



Algebraic approach to time-delay data analysis: orbiting case
K Rajesh Nayak and J-Y Vinet

https://www.cosmos.esa.int/documents/946106/1027345/TDI_FOR_.PDF/2bb32fba-1b8a-438d-9e95-bc40c32debbe

This is an IOP article, published by the prestigious journal Classic and Quantum Gravity:

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0264-9381/22/10/040/meta

"In this work, we estimate the effects due to the Sagnac phase by taking the realistic model for LISA orbital motion."

"Earlier results assume a simple module in which LISA rotates only about its own axis!!

In reality the motion of LISA is much more complex and our study shows that the main term for Sagnac effect comes from orbital motion."

Conclusions:

The contribution from the Sagnac effect is much larger than earlier predicted.

Full calculations comparing the rotational Sagnac with the orbital Sagnac lead to the final result:



The original arm length for LISA: 5,000,000 km (L)

Earth - Sun radius: 150,000,000 km (R)

ORBITAL SAGNAC/ROTATIONAL SAGNAC =~ R/L = 30


This effect is totally missing from the GPS satellites!

The Earth does not orbit the Sun at all.








The solar gravitational effect upon the GPS satellites is also missing:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1846706#msg1846706


This means that the hypotheses of the RUDERFER EXPERIMENT are fulfilled.

Martin Ruderfer experiment performed in 1960:

Ruderfer, Martin (1960) “First-Order Ether Drift
Experiment Using the Mössbauer Radiation,”
Physical Review Letters, Vol. 5, No. 3, Sept. 1, pp
191-192

Ruderfer, Martin (1961) “Errata—First-Order Ether
Drift Experiment Using the Mössbauer Radiation,”
Physical Review Letters, Vol. 7, No. 9, Nov. 1, p 361


in 1961, M. Ruderfer proved mathematically and experimentally, using the spinning Mossbauer effect, the FIRST NULL RESULT in ether drift theory.

"What students are not told is that the Turner & Hill experiment is a garbled version of a 1960 investigation by Ruderfer, who was seeking to discover fluctuations in gamma ray frequency which might indicate motion of an electromagnetic medium across the plane of the spinning disk, causing cyclic Doppler-type changes in the transit times of the gamma rays crossing that disk. Initially Ruderfer put it out that his results were negative for ether drift, but 14 months later he published an errata which stated that mathematical analysis had shown that if an ether wind were blowing across the plane of the spinning disk, one would expect that Doppler fluctuations in the frequency of the gamma radiation detected at the centre of the disk would be compensated by equal and opposite fluctuations in the emitted frequency of the gamma rays, caused by the effect of variations in the ether speed of the source.

What Ruderfer's experiment had stumbled on was that there could be a static electromagnetic medium at rest with respect to the rest of the universe. And it could be that any motion with respect to that medium affects the gamma ray source, and the central Mossbauer detector, by slowing down the rate of process of each by half the square of the ratio of each one's absolute ether speed to the absolute speed of propagation of light. If such were the case, it would follow (as a mathematical necessity) that irrespective of the direction and speed of ether drift of the lab, the central detector of the spinning disk would always observe a steady slowing of the gamma radiation frequency by half the square of the ratio of the spin speed of the source to the out-and-return speed of light, as measured by the detector in a reference frame which is non-rotating with respect to the fixed stars.

Ruderfer's experiment and his errata were of great significance in the history of modern physics because of their psychological impact on the ether deniers. Previously, the Michelson & Morley ether drift experiment had been successfully portrayed as 'negative' rather than 'null' because the proposed compensating factor, Fitzgerald contraction, was a theoretical construct. However, in the case of the Ruderfer experiment, the ether deniers were shocked to find that the experiment provided proof of the existence of the compensating factor in the observed frequency reduction, making it indubitably a null ether drift experiment.

Since the motion-induced frequency reduction of the gamma ray source is by a steady 'half the square of the ratio of the disk spin speed to the speed of propagation of the gamma rays', and since this is exactly the amount required to give the same result, irrespective of whether the disk is at ether rest, or is orientated edgewise (or at right angles) to a hypothetical ether drift, this constituted prima facie evidence for something for which the ether deniers have a particular fear and loathing - 'laws of nature which conspire to conceal the effect of ether drift'."

https://web.archive.org/web/20070315063351/http://egtphysics.net/Index.htm (select the Ether Drift article option)

http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Ronald_Hatch/Hatch-Clock_Behavior_and_theSearch_for_an_Underlying_Mechanism_for_Relativistic_Phenomena_2002.pdf


Analysis of the spinning Mossbauer experiments is a natural step toward analysis of the
slightly more complex and much larger-scale Global Positioning System (GPS). This
system constitutes a large scale near-equivalent to the spinning Mossbauer experiments.
The transit time between the satellite and ground-based receivers is routinely measured.
In addition, the atomic clocks on the satellite are carefully monitored; and high precision
corrections are provided as part of the information transmitted from the satellites.
Because the satellites and the receivers rotate at different rates (unlike the Mossbauer
experiments), a correction for the motion of the receiver during the transit time is
required. This correction is generally referred to as a Sagnac correction, since it adjusts
for anisotropy of the speed of light as far as the receiver is concerned. Why is there no
requirement for a Sagnac correction due to the earth’s orbital motion? Like the transit
time in the spinning Mossbauer experiments, any such effect would be completely
canceled by the orbital-velocity effect on the satellite clocks.


Specifically, there is substantial independent experimental evidence that clock speed always affects the clock frequency and, as the GPS system shows, the spin velocity of the earth clearly affects the clock rate. This being the case, the null result of the rotating Mössbauer experiments actually implies that an ether drift must exist or else the clock effect would not be canceled and a null result would not be present.

A GPS satellite orbiting the Earth, while at the same time the entire system is orbiting the Sun, IS A LARGE SCALE SPINNING MOSSBAUER EXPERIMENT.


Given the very fact that these GPS satellites DO NOT record the orbital Sagnac effect, means that THE HYPOTHESES OF THE RUDERFER EXPERIMENT ARE FULFILLED.

Why is there no requirement for a Sagnac correction due to the earth’s orbital motion? Like the transit time in the spinning Mossbauer experiments, any such effect would be completely canceled by the orbital-velocity effect on the satellite clocks.

However, indirectly, the counteracting effects of the transit time and clock slowing induced biases indicate that an ether drift is present. This is because there is independent evidence that clocks are slowed as a result of their speed. Thus, ether drift must exist or else the clock slowing effect would be observed.

In fact, there is other evidence that the wave-front bending and absence of the
Sagnac effect in the earth-centered frame is due to the clock-biasing effects of velocity
and that an ether drift velocity actually exists in the earth-centered frame. First, the
gradient of the solar gravitational effects upon clocks on the surface of the earth is such
that the clocks will speed up and slow down in precisely the correct way to retain the
appropriate up-wind and down-wind clock biases. Thus, the clocks must be biased or
else the solar gravitational effects would become apparent.


This is the reason why relativists are abandoning Einstein's version of the theory of relativity and are embracing the local-aether theory (see the first paper in this message).


Therefore, your erroneous belief in a "spinning globe" is a TOTAL FRAUD.


Mysfit

Re: Earths Curvature and spin effect on long range ballistics.
« Reply #99 on: October 05, 2018, 06:56:43 AM »
A couple things I would like point.
#1 one main component of their job is the "kill" shot. they are assassins.
# I also think Tom misunderstood, but I'd still like to point out that using the minute measurable deflection at such short distances absolutely strengthens the argument of this effects existence..     
The manual indicates that simply hitting the target, even if just to injure, is a success. An assassin would need to guarantee a kill.
Soldiers aren’t assassins. That’s a horrible thing to call them. They are way less accurate.