what more is required to be a peaceful activist?
"Activism" has its etymological roots in the word "active".
Actually doing something would be a good start. Consult
this Wikipedia article for guidance.
Now, peaceful demonstrations are a good example of activism. "Uhhh some of them vote tho" is not.
that the overwhelming majority of blm activists choose to restrict themselves to these methods is the thing that you are failing to appropriately consider.
It's the thing that you are failing to back up in any way, shape, or form.
But, as usual, it's not about individual numbers, it's about impact. If I told you that right now, I have a movement where 1 million supporters exhibit <characteristic x> while 10,000 exhibit <characteristic y>, it may seem fair to argue that they're overwhelmingly <x>. However, if <y> has significant impact on society while <x> is a mundane everything activity that doesn't achieve anything, I'm going to be much more interested in <y>. The fact that people vote is not notable. The fact that so few black people voted in 2016 also suggests that your claims should be approached with scepticism. "Overwhelming majorities" very often mean absolutely nothing, and this is a good example.
I can't re-evaluate my viewpoints if I'm not being presented with new information [...]
i'm all ears.[...]
I can only assume that this is another one of your "misunderstandings", and not a deliberate attempt at misdirection. I asked you for information and your response is "I'm all ears". Like, what?
ferguson was bad, but you certainly don't have to be a member of blm to live in ferguson.
Yeah, those poor non-BLM Ferguson residents whose livelihoods were ruined by barbarians. I share your compassion towards them. I hope they can eventually recover.
But let's see, off the top of my head: Ferguson, Baltimore, Charlotte, Los Angeles, Oakland [e: ooh, almost forgot Milwaukee]. That's only major acts of violence and looting, I'm deliberately leaving explicit verbal calls for violence out to make the list somewhat bearable.
P E A C E F U Lthe bernie interruption wasn't violent. that's civil disobedience. i disagree with it, but i don't think it's a good example of how blm is systemically violent or criminal.
Perhaps I didn't signpost this clearly enough, but I was bringing up the Bernie interruption as proof that BLM is
organised, and that the local chapter leaders are, well, local chapter leaders (since that was apparently disputed).
i have no trouble spotting you that there are at least three people associated with blm who are shitty, stupid people with racist points of view. i dunno who those particular three you mentioned are, but i bet i could find three similarly distasteful individuals in literally any organization you care to name.
Are they in charge or are they random members? 'Cause, y'know, that's what makes or breaks this argument.
this is sort of my whole point right from the start: merely listing a handful of examples of shitty things/people and then pointing to their superficial connections as evidence of anything is basically the definition of a hasty generalization.
Yes, and as a hypothetical your point is OK. It's just completely divorced from reality.
i also don't get how "asking for disproportionate amounts of compassion and outrageously light sentences for the perpetrators" is an endorsement of violence.
Really? They are requesting that the violence of one group, and one group in particular, is to be taken less seriously than equivalent crimes perpetrated by other groups. Do you
really not see how that's dangerous, or at the very least unfair?
criminal defense attorneys, for example, are paid to do exactly that. that doesn't mean criminal defense attorneys endorse the crimes of their clients. that's nonsense.
The only thing that's nonsense here is this analogy. Taking it to its logical conclusion leads to genius ideas like:
- A boxer's job is to punch people, therefore you can't tell me that I shouldn't punch elderly ladies in the supermarket - that would be nonsense!
- I don't get how you can say that 9/11 attackers did anything wrong. They merely flew a plane into a place. That's literally a pilot's job. What nonsense!
- Why are you saying I can't just lock people up in my cellar against the will? That's literally what the police do lol such nonsense!
Yes, some people have jobs that expect them to do things that many others wouldn't do, and shouldn't do. BLM advocating for unfairly good treatment of black thugs doesn't make them defence attorneys. It makes them ethically questionable at best, and openly racist at worst.
at the very least it's a far, far cry from the proto-terrorist violent criminal race-riot-factory you make them out to be.
Oh, please, they do it to themselves much better than I ever could. I dindu nuffin.