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I disagree.And he will remain God until the media and the Dems realize that going into a frenzy of lies and half truths in an attempt to discredit him is never gonna work.Trump is God. He is infallable to his worshipers. He can do no wrong for his word is good.
Mainstream media doesn't go into a frenzy of lies and half truths. Not even Fox News (usually).
I think you give Trump too much credit when you say he states half-truths.His supporters know that the family separation policy was in place long before Trump. They know that families were separated in the same way under Obama, there were just fewer of them. They know that the only change he made was to make a policy that all illegal border crossers would be charged - as opposed to letting anyone accompanied by children off scot free.
Anyway is his popularity supposed to be a surprise? These are the people who cheered when he said he could murder someone on 5th Ave and still win the election. They love it every time he does something evil and racist, separating children from their families at the border seemed heartless and cruel to many, but this kind of thing is the reason his hardcore supporters love him; it plays right into his base. He will always hold onto that certain shameless segment of the population.
Probably not the sole cause, but perhaps they should consider stopping what they're doing as it isn't getting them the result they're seeking.It's because of the frenzied, dishonest reporting on shallow, stupid stuff that a buffoon like Trump got into office in the first place, and they just continue doing it. And they're going to keep getting the same results.
That is an incredibly simplistic analysis and I don't buy the media being the sole cause of the god-empereor's ascendance.QuoteTrump is not "my guy" BTW. And I rarely check out FOX news.
Well thats good to know.
It's because of the frenzied, dishonest reporting on shallow, stupid stuff that a buffoon like Trump got into office in the first place, and they just continue doing it. And they're going to keep getting the same results.And he will remain God until the media and the Dems realize that going into a frenzy of lies and half truths in an attempt to discredit him is never gonna work.
Yes, only Trump may go in to a frenzy of half-truths and lies. And Fox News when Obama was president. That was ok too, because we he wasn't our guy.
And he will remain God until the media and the Dems realize that going into a frenzy of lies and half truths in an attempt to discredit him is never gonna work.Trump is God. He is infallable to his worshipers. He can do no wrong for his word is good.
>asks for an investigationApologies. Thank-you for doing that. Regardless of the results, your investigation did inspire me to put more effort into finding what I believe to be the document in question.
>criticizes the person who does his investigation for him
>confirmed for entitled millennial
I most certainly do want a law passed, that will allow children of illegal immigrants applying for asylum to remain with their parents.I did look for the bill and didn't find it. Is it available? Please post a link.
I am Canadian and it took me 5 minutes to find this.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4760/text
You clearly care more about vilifying the dems than anything actually changing.QuoteAlso, all free thinking voters are by definition, hypocrites unless by chance there happens to be an available candidate who believes in and lives up to the same values they believe in. Sounds like a pretty broad definition to me.
It is a broad definition, sorry the world is a complicated place.QuoteAlso, learn to quote.
Good talk. Hope the rest of high school works out for you.
As I said before, also remember that Democrats can't put any bills up for vote. They have no power in that. As such, all bills must be republican bills. And until we actually read what's in these bills (I have not) its a moot point to call hypocrit.I agree it would be good to know what was in the bill which I don't. I'm going from the reports I heard which were that it did not include much beyond solving the family separation issue.
But can't the Dems respond to a proposed bill with some recommended changes instead of flatly refusing because "we want to keep the focus on Trump?" And if they have a problem with the proposed bill why don't they explain what their problem is with it instead of just refusing to engage at all?
That's fine. But my point is that a social conservative who felt that Hillary was the greater of two evils could vote for Trump without being hypocritical.
I agree it would be good to know what was in the bill which I don't. I'm going from the reports I heard which were that it did not include much beyond solving the family separation issue. But can't the Dems respond to a proposed bill with some recommended changes instead of flatly refusing because "we want to keep the focus on Trump?" And if they have a problem with the proposed bill why don't they explain what their problem is with it instead of just refusing to engage at all?That's fine. But my point is that a social conservative who felt that Hillary was the greater of two evils could vote for Trump without being hypocritical.But of course. But that doesn't help much on election day does it?What exactly should a conservative have done to not be hypocritical in the last election? Abstained? Voted for the independent guy who held a crazy conversation with himself on a park bench?
Vote for someone else in the primary?
I still disagree that Hillary was the greater of two evils,
The democrats are clearly being hypocritical when they go into hysterics about the kids but aren't willing to do what is in their power to stop it. This fact exists independent of whether saying so is what the American oligarchy wants.
Trumps executive order doesn't accomplish anything useful and does not go against existing laws. Essentially all it says is that we will do our best to keep families together as long as we possibly can under the existing laws.
As I said before, also remember that Democrats can't put any bills up for vote. They have no power in that. As such, all bills must be republican bills. And until we actually read what's in these bills (I have not) its a moot point to call hypocrit.
That's fine. But my point is that a social conservative who felt that Hillary was the greater of two evils could vote for Trump without being hypocritical.But of course. But that doesn't help much on election day does it?What exactly should a conservative have done to not be hypocritical in the last election? Abstained? Voted for the independent guy who held a crazy conversation with himself on a park bench?
Vote for someone else in the primary?
I still disagree that Hillary was the greater of two evils,
But of course. But that doesn't help much on election day does it?What exactly should a conservative have done to not be hypocritical in the last election? Abstained? Voted for the independent guy who held a crazy conversation with himself on a park bench?
Vote for someone else in the primary?
QuotePretty much anyone who claims a hard idealogical stance is going to be hypocritical sooner or later. This applies equally to the left as the right.Yep. But sometimes the hypocrisy rises to extraordinary levels. This family separation debacle was one of those times.
And the right has been unbelievably hypocritical in other instances. Tell me when we get to the point?
Why is it the very definition of hypocrisy to choose the better of two evils?QuoteFor example you get a lot of conservatives supporting Trump.QuoteI agree that a true social conservative being a hardcore Trump supporter seems a bit hypocritical. To hold your nose and support Trump because he seems better than the alternative doesn't seem that hypocritical to me.
Its actually the definition of hypocritical. All you are admitting is that you find hypocrisy to be ok sometimes. All this aside, we can agree that families of asylum seekers should be kept together and that there is tragedy awaiting people who have to take underground railroads from the Mexican to the US border?
Yep. But sometimes the hypocrisy rises to extraordinary levels. This family separation debacle was one of those times.The hypocrisy of the left is beyond belief.On this I wholeheartedly agree!
Pretty much anyone who claims a hard idealogical stance is going to be hypocritical sooner or later. This applies equally to the left as the right.
For example you get a lot of conservatives supporting Trump.I agree that a true social conservative being a hardcore Trump supporter seems a bit hypocritical. To hold your nose and support Trump because he seems better than the alternative doesn't seem that hypocritical to me.
The hypocrisy of the left is beyond belief.On this I wholeheartedly agree!
I'm quite sure we will find exactly what's in the bill. We might even get a copy of it.All of a sudden just trying to get into this country is a crime, meaning that every family that tries is being split up. You did not see anything like it under Obama and again he actively took steps intended to prevent it from happening.Crossing the border between points of entry was always against the law. All of a sudden the law started to be enforced.
I'll allow that I misspoke. All of a sudden trying to cross the border became a crime severe enough to immediately throw the immigrant in jail with her children forcibly taken. It didn't happen under Obama. It didn't happen under either Bush, or Clinton, or I'm reasonably sure Reagan. Before Trump they didn't bother to keep track of the numbers of children separated from their families simply because it happened too rarely to be considered noteworthy. Until, um, like 2 months ago.QuoteI've been told that the bill brought forward by Republicans and blocked by the Democrats did not contain anything other than allowing the children of illegal immigrants seeking asylum to stay with their parents. I don't have documentation on that but I'll get it.
And you actually believed it?? That's kinda part of what makes you delusional.
All of a sudden just trying to get into this country is a crime, meaning that every family that tries is being split up. You did not see anything like it under Obama and again he actively took steps intended to prevent it from happening.Crossing the border between points of entry was always against the law. All of a sudden the law started to be enforced.
It was happening though, the media just never made a big deal of it. The only thing that changed is that the numbers increased due to a new policy to enforce the law. That and the Dems and the media made a huge deal of it.I'll look into the motivation thing and get back to you. In the meantime Illegal immigration is a problem and needs to be dealt with. Just ask these people:As I conceded to Rama, I'm sure they're all politicking. However, many presidents have tried to address this issue at various points during their term. I don't see what's the problem with addressing this issue at this particular time. And an amendment to the law is the best way to deal with this issue.The fact that Trump didn't implement this policy immediately upon taking office makes it so obvious that this was political that anyone who doubts it is delusional? Your bar for supporting evidence is extraordinarily low.The policy that Trump implemented was to enforce the law. It was to stop people from illegally crossing the border with no repercussion as long as they had kids. Tell me what's the point of a law if you implement a policy to not enforce it? Does that make sense? No! What makes sense is to amend the law if necessary. That's what should have happened. It's the logical thing to do.
Then why wasn't the policy enacted sooner? Why are we only seeing children separated from their families a year and a half into his tenure? After all the talk about border security? Trump didn't get what he wanted so he put a truly evil policy in place in an attempt to bend the Democrats to his will. If you think this wasn't purely politically motivated in the first place you're delusional.
I didn't say that. Common sense itself is enough for any reasonable person to conclude that it was political. The first part of my response was a question directly related to your point, do you care to answer it or do you concede that it's a legitimate point? If this was merely about law and order Trump would have enacted it long ago. Yes, the fact that it was only put in place recently supports what was already obvious with a little common sense.
Also, since I am low on common sense, explain to me exactly what Trump was trying to achieve by implementing this policy at this particular time beyond fulfilling his election promise to tighten border security.
The Democrats wouldn't do what he wanted, so he hoped that doing something cartoonishly evil would mortify them into submission, since what he was already doing to DACA wasn't getting the job done. It's really not hard to put the pieces together and see what was motivating him, especially as he's been telegraphing it ever since.https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1009536237881847808
I don't see how a policy to enforce the law could be considered cartoonishly evil. And if it is, then the law being enforced must also be cartoonishly evil. And Trump was getting laid with porn stars and building fake universities when those laws got drafted.
Yo Boots, I've never been an Obama apologist, so you're barking up the wrong tree when you keep going back to this. It's just plain that whatever the law's origin, there never seemed to be a crisis where thousands of families were being split up until a couple months ago, so it's really just kind of silly to blame Obama for it.
I'll look into the motivation thing and get back to you. In the meantime Illegal immigration is a problem and needs to be dealt with. Just ask these people:As I conceded to Rama, I'm sure they're all politicking. However, many presidents have tried to address this issue at various points during their term. I don't see what's the problem with addressing this issue at this particular time. And an amendment to the law is the best way to deal with this issue.The fact that Trump didn't implement this policy immediately upon taking office makes it so obvious that this was political that anyone who doubts it is delusional? Your bar for supporting evidence is extraordinarily low.The policy that Trump implemented was to enforce the law. It was to stop people from illegally crossing the border with no repercussion as long as they had kids. Tell me what's the point of a law if you implement a policy to not enforce it? Does that make sense? No! What makes sense is to amend the law if necessary. That's what should have happened. It's the logical thing to do.
Then why wasn't the policy enacted sooner? Why are we only seeing children separated from their families a year and a half into his tenure? After all the talk about border security? Trump didn't get what he wanted so he put a truly evil policy in place in an attempt to bend the Democrats to his will. If you think this wasn't purely politically motivated in the first place you're delusional.
I didn't say that. Common sense itself is enough for any reasonable person to conclude that it was political. The first part of my response was a question directly related to your point, do you care to answer it or do you concede that it's a legitimate point? If this was merely about law and order Trump would have enacted it long ago. Yes, the fact that it was only put in place recently supports what was already obvious with a little common sense.
Also, since I am low on common sense, explain to me exactly what Trump was trying to achieve by implementing this policy at this particular time beyond fulfilling his election promise to tighten border security.
The Democrats wouldn't do what he wanted, so he hoped that doing something cartoonishly evil would mortify them into submission, since what he was already doing to DACA wasn't getting the job done. It's really not hard to put the pieces together and see what was motivating him, especially as he's been telegraphing it ever since.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1009536237881847808
