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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 20, 2018, 06:32:45 PM »

These days ships depend heavily on satellites for communications and navigation.  One satellite system we used would periodically transmit our current position, received by another satellite system, GPS.  This way governments, the shipping company office, or really anyone who needed our current position, course, or speed would have access to that information.  On that same system I would receive safety bulletins for known dangerous conditions such as typhoons, vessels adrift, mayday calls, hijackings, or we even had a bulletin when the North Koreans launched their last missile. We were in the area at the time.  Since the system has our position, via GPS, the information we received was only relevant for our particular area.  Another satellite system we used would allow us to send and receive emails.  All the ships paperwork was usually completed electronically.  The countries where we went into port all had customs requirements and any cargo, supplies or crew changes had to be declared in advance of our arrival if we didn't want to be delayed.  Ships are very expensive and the carried cargo was even more expensive so delays are costly.  Of course we had satellite telephones that would allow the crew members to call home if desired.  Company business was also conducted.  There was a distress alert system on board that would allow us to immediately communicate with the outside world if there was an emergency or hijacking.  There were several buttons in a few locations around the ship and all we needed to do was press one to send out an automatic distress alert with our ships name, location, course and speed.  On my desk, I had a computer with a good internet connection.  I could use that to look up information, file a report, or anything else that was required by the captain or chief engineer.  The captain and chief engineer also had computers with the same connection and was hooked up via the ships internal data network.  Some shipping companies also allowed complete engine room monitoring of all their systems by a shore based office.  All this data went back & forth via a satellite system.  In a few years I would expect to see fully autonomous vessels out there hauling cargo world wide on the high seas.  There will be no human on board.  Everything will be controlled via the shore over a satellite connection.  As outlined the data needs of ships is vitally important and growing each day.  If the flat earth theory is viable and the system can be made simpler and cheaper by using just shore based systems for transmitting this data instead of the complex and expensive satellites, then the door is wide open.  It's time for the entrepreneurial spirit of the flat earthers to emerge and revolutionize the communications system world wide.  Opportunities await, go for it.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 20, 2018, 12:52:27 PM »

If the earth is flat, if there's a dome or if the earth is round won't be solved here.  I am a believer that a flat earth with a dome (or without) would make communications at sea a whole lot easier and cheaper. Shipping companies pay a small fortune to the companies that claim to have satellites.  For the flat earth entrepreneurs out there there's a golden opportunity out there for you to make a better, cheaper, more reliable communications system for the shipping companies.  Much of the merchandise in stores these days comes across the oceans from Asia on thousands of container ships.  These all need good communications.  If the flat earth theory really is viable, then revamp the satellite communications systems to use shore-based systems that are cheaper to build, cheaper to maintain, and cheaper for the shipping companies to use.  The technology would allow you to do that.  You could make a fortune driving all the 'satellite companies' out of business with your cheaper technology.  Henry Ford and Edison built their fortunes on using the technological advances of their day.  If flat earth theory is viable, today is your day.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 20, 2018, 05:13:34 AM »

To stay a little on the subject, a typical satellite antenna could be 130 to 140 feet above the water line.  This can improve the coverage just a little as it raises the distance to the horizon.  As we leave the coverage area of one satellite I would always see the needed elevation of the dish antenna get lower and lower until the signal was no longer usable.  At that point I would need to switch to another satellite that was visible at a higher elevation at the longitude where we were at the time.   Sometimes if the satellite was only about 15 degrees above the horizon and our ship was on a particular course the satellite could be blocked by the ships stack.  I can't say for sure about the size of a cruise ship, because I've never been aboard one.  A typical cargo ship would have a height of eye on the bridge of about 130 to 150 feet above the water.  Stacks or masts could easily add another 50 feet to 75 feet.  They like to keep these heights at a minimum because you have to get under bridges on a lot of voyages.     

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Flat Earth Media / Re: Heliocentric Speed Change Problem

« on: October 20, 2018, 04:52:55 AM »

It's an interesting video.  I was taught in engineering school that force, velocity, and acceleration are all vectors.  As the earth rotates the acceleration slowly increases or decreases because the rotation velocity is being added to the earths orbital velocity.  However, its only the vector component that's with or against the vector of the earths orbital path that will count towards the acceleration you will feel.  I would expect to see a very slow increase in acceleration for 6 hours followed by a very slow decrease for the next 6 hours.  The force distributed over the surface area of your body would be like a gnat creeping on to you over a 6 hour period, then off again.  As long as the gnat didn't bite, I don't think that I would feel a thing.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 20, 2018, 02:43:36 AM »

You really don't need any repeater stations to use the moon for useful radio communications.  Amateur radio operators bounce their signals off the moon on a regular basis today.  They have been doing that for more than 50 years.  The well known delay in getting a signal back & forth at the speed of light confirms the actual distance to the moon in the vicinity of 239k miles.  There have been many laser reflectors placed on the moon as well.  One of them was by the Russians in one of their unmanned missions.  Since there is a good reflector now in place, a laser range finder can be used to very accurately measure the distance to the moon to well under a meter of accuracy.  It's really not confusing at all.  Any person, world wide can do a little study, obtain a license as a amateur radio operator, and conduct all the experiments he wants and can verify any of the claims I've made.  I've been told, repeatedly, that all the signals are being bounced off the dome.  Then when I mentioned the dome in one of my posts I was rebuked by a moderator that there was no dome.  Yes, I agree with that, there is NO dome mentioned in the wiki for this site that I could find other than a small drawing that kind of looked like a dome.  Since there is no dome, then a geosynchronous satellite is certainly possible. INMARSAT claims to have many satellites in orbit above the earth's equator.  KVH claims to have many more.  The satellites were in the category of 25000 miles above the equator. My measured travel time up to the satellite and back confirmed that distance.  While I was on cargo ships traveling around the world I was using these satellite systems all day, every day for routine communications with the company office and agents world wide.  It wouldn't be unusual for us to have 500 million worth of cargo on at any given time.  With that much valuable cargo aboard you can be sure everyone was wanting constant updates as to our progress.  Some of the containers on the top rows even had their own satellite beacons that were completely separate from anything under our control.  This was especially true when we were transporting military cargo.   Years ago all the ship's routine traffic was handled by high frequency radio communications via morse code.  A radio officer aboard the ship will communicate with another operator at a shore station and handle the messages.  Now the captain, or anyone really, can pickup the phone and call home, the office, or anyone, worldwide.  I had a computer with a full internet connection that I could use when necessary.  This kind of technology would not be possible with any kind of passive reflector, like a dome.  It can't be fiber optic, it can't be an undersea cable, we were on a moving ship traveling at about 25 knots.  If the folks out there who claim that what I'm saying is false and can prove it, then they could make a small fortune.  Satellites are very expensive for the shipping companies.  They pay anywhere from 9000 to 35000 per month for the level of service that they require.  All this is necessary because satellites are expensive to build, launch, and maintain.  A passive reflector would be so much cheaper.  It's a golden opportunity for the non-believers.  For those who have the proof, the world is at your disposal, go out and make your fortune.       

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 19, 2018, 08:25:33 PM »

If NASA designed and executed a mission to the moon and it was only 400 miles away and that fact got out, they would be totally BUSTED.  All the advertised moon missions were for a distance of about 239k miles.  That could be sold as long, hard and expensive.  A short trip may have actually been done, but sold as an expensive one.  They could have been producing the 239k trip in the studio while the real trip of 400 miles was actually being conducted.  Just think of all the money that they could have pocketed with the difference in the advertised price and what was actually needed for the real thing.  You have to hand it to NASA, they know how to put a suction your wallet.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: NVIDIA claims that 20th century technology could not have faked the moon landing

« on: October 19, 2018, 08:10:53 PM »

The conspiracy thesis could also explain why NASA hasn't just sent a rocket up and off in any direction towards the edge with a camera and all kinds of measuring equipment.  Since a dome isn't part of the theory then a rocket could easily take images of the edge and what is beyond.  If there were some kind of black energy barrier, then that could be measured as well.  The biggest problem with that is that NASA would really be shooting themselves in the foot.  All of their own theories would be out the window with a mission they designed.  I wouldn't look for that to happen any time soon.     

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Questions about flat earth

« on: October 19, 2018, 07:56:23 PM »

I don't think that gravity is an option with the 'official' flat earth paradigm, in my opinion.  Therefore, to keep all the earth's inhabitants from floating off into the void, a constant upwards acceleration is required.  Gravity can't be present or the sun and moon would be attracted to the flat earth.  Both would crash into the earth and make a big mess.  What I don't know is how the sun and moon are also being accelerated at the identical rate as the earth.  The earth is theoretically being accelerated by dark energy of some kind.  What isn't posted is whether that dark energy is pushing the earth, moon, and sun or pulling them.  Gravity is a force that depends on a bodies mutual mass and distance.  The earth, moon and sun are of much different sizes, according to the wiki. Therefore any dark energy must be a completely different kind of force otherwise the acceleration rates would be different.  If the dark energy pushes or pulls according to the area and mass, again you would expect a different acceleration rate.  If the dark energy can push on and accelerate the earth, moon and sun, then why doesn't it seem to act on people, planes, or ships in a measurable way?  Maybe the dark energy is the real cause for cancer.  That's just another avenue for researchers to work on.  After all x-rays have been shown to cause cancer.  Electromagnetic waves can cause damage to biological entities.  If you don't believe that, just put a cat into a microwave oven and see what happens. 

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flat horizon 'evidence'

« on: October 19, 2018, 05:32:59 PM »

You are correct in that it is very difficult to see any kind of evidence of a global earth just by observation of the horizon with your own eyes.  Unfortunately,  circumnavigation of the globe doesn't really work very well either.  I know, firsthand, because I've done it myself a couple of times, in each direction.  If you look on a flat earth map you can clearly see that it would be possible to just get on a ship and sail in a circle and you would come back to the same place you started, but coming from the opposite direction.  That's difficult to do in the Northern latitudes (on a ship) because of the landmasses in the way, but by making detours, you can get completely around the world.  Round earth, or flat earth, the results would be the same.  Without some other evidence the task is difficult to decide which is the correct theory, round earth or flat earth. 

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Hollow Earth vs. Flat Earth vs. Geoid (earth shaped) Earth

« on: October 19, 2018, 05:09:15 PM »

I just thought that maybe the bottom of the flat earth might be coated with a thick layer of something like gold.  Since the earth has to be in constant acceleration to replace the gravity paradigm, then there has to be some kind of dark energy field at work pushing on the bottom of the earth.  Something like that would probably be incompatible with any biological life forms on the earths top side.  Gold is a very good radiation shield I just thought that it might be there to keep us all alive.  That idea would make sense if the flat earth was relatively thin.  If there isn't any gold there, then a much thicker cylinder makes more sense.  More thickness makes for better shielding.   

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 19, 2018, 04:55:03 PM »

The wiki on this site says that the moon is about 3000 miles above the flat earth and there is NO dome.  Hopefully you will point out those errors to the moderators of this site so they can fix the discrepancy.  I am getting totally confused with all the different explanations I see for how the flat earth really works.  How can I decide which is the correct theory? 

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: NVIDIA claims that 20th century technology could not have faked the moon landing

« on: October 19, 2018, 04:47:54 PM »

According to the wiki on this site the moon is 3000 miles away.  I have been on a flight from Chicago to Hong Kong that was much farther than that.   The conspiracy theory seems to say that NASA faked the 239,900 mile trip (commonly quoted distance).  There are recordings of the astronauts talking back and forth to mission control and the theory states that there should be a 2 second delay between comments between ground control and the astronauts due to the large distance.  If the moon is only 3000 miles, then you wouldn't expect a noticeable delay.  Maybe NASA didn't fake the trip to the moon, but the stated distance.  Since the differences in distance are 100 to 1 you would expect that the project would be a whole lot more expensive to go 100 times the number of miles.  A short trip would be a whole lot cheaper and 'they' could pocket the difference in cost. 

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 19, 2018, 03:00:39 PM »

Since the subject of this section is 'satellite hoax', and the moon is technically just another satellite of the earth, there's another issue that I have.  Many radio people have effectively used the moon as a passive satellite.  Signals were bounced off of it, and then back to the earth.  For many years the current technology has allowed moon bounce communications.  The problem is, according to the wiki on this site, the moon is 32 miles in diameter and is approximately 3000 miles above the surface of the flat earth.  Unfortunately, the measured transit times (as the speed of light) just don't match the distances stated.  Is this just another satellite hoax?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Antarctic Treaty

« on: October 19, 2018, 01:46:44 PM »

If there is a real 'South Pole',  just where is it on the flat earth map?  I would assume that it would have to be everywhere on the outer edge of the flat earth.  Yes, I can believe that you can go to Antarctica, my sister was there earlier this year and I saw some pictures.  Mostly they were just of some penguins. 

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 19, 2018, 01:40:32 PM »

Take a look at the Flat Earth Theory / Bumpiness of the Flat Earth / Reply #4.  Yesterday I got a rebuke from  Junker (Planar Moderator) for mentioning the DOME.  I was told to check the Wiki.  According to that 'there ain't no dome'.  In the Wiki under Form and Magnitude / Atmolayer, There's some kind of a Dark Energy Field that is holding the air from rushing off the flat earth into the void.  Since there air't no dome, a different explanation for getting all my signals back to the flat earth will be needed.     

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Bumpiness of the flat earth

« on: October 19, 2018, 05:20:22 AM »

I hope that I didn't upset you too much.  I've had a couple (probably ignorant) replies from a FET enthusiast that explicitly said that all my geosynchronous satellite signals were being reflected off a molten glass-like dome.  It looks like a thermal barrier or some kind of dark energy vector field to contain the atomolayer is a much better theory.  Obviously between the replies I've received and the image (hopefully attached) that I see on the right side of the Cosmos section of your Wiki, I've become confused. 

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flat horizon 'evidence'

« on: October 19, 2018, 03:58:23 AM »

It is very difficult for the tiny human (relative to the size of the earth) to tell by the simple measurement you suggested whether the earth is flat or round.  The needed accuracy is well buried in the noise.  Cumulus clouds sometimes gave me a subtle indication of something during my 20 years working on cargo ships.  From time to time you could see large clouds well ahead of the ship.  They appeared to go all the way down to the visible horizon.  After a while, as the ship approached the clouds doing about 25 knots, the clouds would slowly appear to lift and we always passed under the clouds. This phenomenon has happened to me plenty of times.  The realization was similar to the time when I actually realized that Santa Clause wasn't real. 

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Bumpiness of the flat earth

« on: October 19, 2018, 03:33:37 AM »

With earthquakes and the moving of the earth's plates, I'm surprised that the dome seal in Antarctica hasn't ever been compromised.  There should be a strong movement to get that seal inspected.  If a major crack in the dome ever occurs then there could be a significant leak in the atmosphere and we could all die.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Hollow Earth vs. Flat Earth vs. Geoid (earth shaped) Earth

« on: October 18, 2018, 07:47:07 PM »

With the universal acceleration model to keep all the earthlings on the flat earth, the earth's velocity should be very close to that of light.  That's probably a good reason you don't see any real aliens on the earth.  They would have to have a pretty good space ship to catch us.  Even if they did, the dome would keep them out as well.  It would be bad, however, if those pesky aliens started drilling on the dome.  I really wouldn't worry too much about that eventuality. 

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 18, 2018, 06:58:49 PM »

Well, I'm really not sure how 'they' do it.  I've pinged geo-synchronous satellites before, and based on my position on the earth and the stated position of the satellite, the travel times come back about as expected.  There's no published data on the actual position of the dome so I'm assuming that 'they' are somehow manipulating the radio signal travel times to make it look like there's a satellite up there when I've been told it was just a fake.