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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Questions about flat earth

« on: October 23, 2018, 03:08:38 PM »

If you believe that the earth is flat and round and doesn't rotate at all making a map should be easy.  A flat plane is simple to map with constant distance grid lines.  The problem you have is locating the South Pole.  That location does exist and there is a building there.  There are also other buildings on Antarctica.  Where would they be on the constant grid line map?  Would the measurable distance between the map and the actual locations match?   A few survey flights could quickly map a lot of the area. While you are at it just take a short jog over the edge.  Take a few pictures and confirm for all the disbelievers that the earth is flat and round. 

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How to disprove Universal Acceleration with your bare eyes:

« on: October 23, 2018, 02:37:22 PM »

Constant acceleration requires a constant force.  It is said that the earth is being accelerated by a force from unspecified dark energy on the bottom of the disk.  You can easily see with your own eyes the moon and sun.  Those objects are said to be roughly 3000 miles above the earth's surface.  Since the sun & moon can always be seen above the earth they must also be in constant acceleration as well.  The question now is what is causing that acceleration?  Is it the same dark energy?  That dark energy would have to be present between the earth and the moon. The dark energy would have to cause the same constant acceleration independent of surface area and mass.  If that dark energy is present between the earth's surface and the sun & moon why doesn't anyone on earth experience that force as well?  Airplanes above the earth should feel it.  It should be measurable.  We all should be high jump champions. 

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: The use of Polaris for celestial navigation proves a round earth.

« on: October 22, 2018, 06:25:58 PM »

That's easy.  Get yourself a good sextant and see for yourself.  If you start with a known position you will have an expected angle.  You will also have sextant corrections due to the bending of light at your specific latitude and your height of eye above the horizon.  Then, if you are way out at sea, and don't know your position, you can use these very same corrections to accurately determine your latitude.  Sailors know that this procedure works and is a demonstration not just words.  The safety of their cargo, and sometimes their very lives, depend on this 'common knowledge'.  Do you really think that they just take all this 'for granted'?   

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: NVIDIA claims that 20th century technology could not have faked the moon landing

« on: October 22, 2018, 06:15:09 PM »

A 20th century video of a moon landing would require a different script that what everyone thought they saw on the last mission.  I think that a moon landing would be possible for both the FE and RE theories.  In the FE theory, gravity is out.  Humans and everything else is held onto the earth due to universal acceleration.  Everything has mass and since mass is the property that resists acceleration, a force is required to keep something accelerating.  That is why a person feels the force of the earth when standing upon it.  The force comes from the earth accelerating upwards and the mass of your body resisting that acceleration.  A spacecraft above the earth's atmosphere would have to have enough thrust to keep a constant acceleration, at the same rate as the earth's, plus a little more to close the distance to the moon.  Once near the moon things could get a little tricky.  Since the moon is spherical the spacecraft would have to land on the surface of the moon opposite the earth.  The moon also must be accelerating at the same rate as the earth otherwise the distance between the earth and moon would be changing.  A person standing on the moon then would feel the same upward acceleration at they do on the earth and would feel the same force on their feet as well as long as they were standing on the side opposite the earth.  If they were standing on the side that faces the earth, I fear that they would fly off.  I would also expect that a person would weigh the same on the moon as they do on earth.  The videos I saw on the moon missions seem to indicate that the astronauts were bouncing around and very light on their feet.  Was that all a fake?  What also is unknown is what keeps the moon accelerating at the same rate as the earth.  It is believed that the earth is being kept in constant acceleration by a dark energy force of some kind.  Is that same force acting on the moon as well?  Would that same force act on a human in the space between the earth and the moon?  I would like to know the answers to these questions myself.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Amateur radio shows the earth is round

« on: October 22, 2018, 04:06:54 PM »

I worked in several different venues that used radios for communications for a half century so I am familiar with the 'normally accepted theory on the propagation of radio signals'.  If you took a couple of radios into outer space most everything would work according to the theory.  The problem with using radios on the earth is the effect that the atmosphere can have.  In my earlier career days I designed, installed and maintained, on an every day basis, radio systems for police, fire, ambulance, and many other kinds of users.  I was also an amateur radio operator and I used VHF and UHF radios in that venue as well.  Since this tread pertains to amateur radio I will stick to the effects there.  Radios harness electromagnetic waves to send messages from point A to point B.  A radio signal differs from light only in the frequencies used.  Most everyone has seen what a prism can do to white light.  The reason that you see the effects are that the refractive effects depend on the frequency of the light.  The atmosphere does the same thing to radio signals only in a more disorganized manner.  On your average day a radio amateur can communicate with another amateur (VHF or UHF) at a distance that is limited by the curvature of the earth.  This is why a taller tower will give better range, on average.  Sure, hills and valleys have a big effect here as well.  Sometimes, however, there would also be atmospheric effects that would greatly enhance those signals.  Radio amateurs often seek these atmospheric anomalies and use them to get a longer distance VHF or UHF contact with another radio amateur.  Radio amateurs get their kicks out of this.  Some even look for the ionization trails of meteors to get a longer range.  The Aurora Borealis  is also used for this purpose as well.  My main point here is that the higher the frequency you use the more the curvature of the earth effects the range of your signals, on average.  Weather can effect radio communications and since the weather always changes so does the absolute range you get when using a VHF or UHF radio system.  To the average radio amateur, it doesn't matter, it's just a hobby.  For, say the state police, with a large area of jurisdiction, where the curvature of the earth can have an effect, they must have a radio system designed with the worst case scenario in mind, think an antenna on a tall tower.  They can't depend on the intermittent and highly variable atmospheric bending to get their message thru when lives may be at stake.  All of what I've said is the result of many years of experience in knowing what works in the real world.  We would have loved to have quoted a lower priced system to customers at times and put the proposed antenna on a much smaller tower, but we knew if we got the bid that the system would not provide the quoted service area 100% of the time.  This is what we had to work with in the spherical real world we had to work in.

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Flat Earth Media / Re: Heliocentric Speed Change Problem

« on: October 21, 2018, 10:43:03 PM »

As much as I hate to bring this up on this web site, there is one instrument that can detect the spinning of the earth.  It's been around for a long time, and can still be seen in museums.  Foucault's pendulum can detect and show that the earth is in rotation.  I'm looking at the physics of this now.  From my first quick look I can say that the case is clear, there was a pendulum built at the Amundesen-Scott South Pole station by some scientists and the results were as expected. The earth rotates in the expected direction and the acceleration of gravity is about as expected as well.  Effectively a pendulum is like a gyroscope, but just intermittently.  The angular momentum vector changes direction periodically as the mass at the end of the wire reverses direction.  Most of the pendulums built are at lower latitudes and behave a bit differently as expected.  What I don't know, yet, is the effect of the pendulum on the flat earth model.  I haven't used my Mathcad program in a while, but I'm hoping to construct some simulations that will give me an idea of the expected differences between the round earth, and flat earth models.     

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 20, 2018, 08:27:14 PM »

I found this announcement recently.   Nothing like this was given out when I graduated from the academy. 


KINGS POINT, N.Y., October 17, 2018 – Today, the United States Merchant Marine Academy (USMMA) began issuing personal satellite communication devices to Midshipmen who will be signing-on to vessels as Cadets participating in Sea Year training.

The water-resistant devices, which are being distributed for the first time, work in areas where there is no cell phone service. The device which connects to GPS, allows Cadets to send SMS messages to cell phones or email. Each device is preprogrammed to communicate with Academy Training Representatives (ATRs), the Sexual Assault Response Coordinator (SARC), or Sexual Assault and Harassment Prevention and Response contractors. It also allows the recipient to respond directly to the Cadet.

Distribution of these devices satisfies requirements established in the National Defense Authorization Act by  “ensuring that each cadet from the United States Merchant Marine Academy who is participating in the Sea Year program is provided a functional satellite communication device.”

Updated: Wednesday, October 17, 2018

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 20, 2018, 08:17:28 PM »

Yes, I am aware of what is going on with US Navy ships.  United States Merchant Marine officers can work as crew on ships owned by the United States Navy.  I've done that on many occasions during my career.  Some were research missions for the US Navy involving nuclear submarines that were classified in nature.  All of us were vetted and held the required paperwork for those missions.  We also delivered a lot of cargo to war zones to support ground troops.  Fairly recently crews were involved in the disarming of chemical weapons in the Middle East.  I wasn't involved in that operation but I did do the sea trials on the ship that was involved.  Satellite communications and HF radio communications is what I did to conduct the ship's business while on these operations. I wasn't ever implanted with a chip under my skin, that I know of.  That kind of thing is commonly done to dogs and cats.  I know someone who did get their runaway dog back because of the chip.  It does work, but is not hooked to a satellite, yet. 

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Flat Earth Media / Re: Heliocentric Speed Change Problem

« on: October 20, 2018, 07:56:35 PM »

My figures were close to what you got as well.  A McDonalds Big Mac has more mass and that doesn't even include the fries and shake.  It would have to be eaten over a 12 hour period.  Then after you got it down, you could then discharge about the same mass in the bathroom over the following 12 hours.  A human wouldn't feel a thing, except maybe in the belt line over a long period.  The percentage change of your total mass is very small. 

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 20, 2018, 06:32:45 PM »

These days ships depend heavily on satellites for communications and navigation.  One satellite system we used would periodically transmit our current position, received by another satellite system, GPS.  This way governments, the shipping company office, or really anyone who needed our current position, course, or speed would have access to that information.  On that same system I would receive safety bulletins for known dangerous conditions such as typhoons, vessels adrift, mayday calls, hijackings, or we even had a bulletin when the North Koreans launched their last missile. We were in the area at the time.  Since the system has our position, via GPS, the information we received was only relevant for our particular area.  Another satellite system we used would allow us to send and receive emails.  All the ships paperwork was usually completed electronically.  The countries where we went into port all had customs requirements and any cargo, supplies or crew changes had to be declared in advance of our arrival if we didn't want to be delayed.  Ships are very expensive and the carried cargo was even more expensive so delays are costly.  Of course we had satellite telephones that would allow the crew members to call home if desired.  Company business was also conducted.  There was a distress alert system on board that would allow us to immediately communicate with the outside world if there was an emergency or hijacking.  There were several buttons in a few locations around the ship and all we needed to do was press one to send out an automatic distress alert with our ships name, location, course and speed.  On my desk, I had a computer with a good internet connection.  I could use that to look up information, file a report, or anything else that was required by the captain or chief engineer.  The captain and chief engineer also had computers with the same connection and was hooked up via the ships internal data network.  Some shipping companies also allowed complete engine room monitoring of all their systems by a shore based office.  All this data went back & forth via a satellite system.  In a few years I would expect to see fully autonomous vessels out there hauling cargo world wide on the high seas.  There will be no human on board.  Everything will be controlled via the shore over a satellite connection.  As outlined the data needs of ships is vitally important and growing each day.  If the flat earth theory is viable and the system can be made simpler and cheaper by using just shore based systems for transmitting this data instead of the complex and expensive satellites, then the door is wide open.  It's time for the entrepreneurial spirit of the flat earthers to emerge and revolutionize the communications system world wide.  Opportunities await, go for it.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 20, 2018, 12:52:27 PM »

If the earth is flat, if there's a dome or if the earth is round won't be solved here.  I am a believer that a flat earth with a dome (or without) would make communications at sea a whole lot easier and cheaper. Shipping companies pay a small fortune to the companies that claim to have satellites.  For the flat earth entrepreneurs out there there's a golden opportunity out there for you to make a better, cheaper, more reliable communications system for the shipping companies.  Much of the merchandise in stores these days comes across the oceans from Asia on thousands of container ships.  These all need good communications.  If the flat earth theory really is viable, then revamp the satellite communications systems to use shore-based systems that are cheaper to build, cheaper to maintain, and cheaper for the shipping companies to use.  The technology would allow you to do that.  You could make a fortune driving all the 'satellite companies' out of business with your cheaper technology.  Henry Ford and Edison built their fortunes on using the technological advances of their day.  If flat earth theory is viable, today is your day.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 20, 2018, 05:13:34 AM »

To stay a little on the subject, a typical satellite antenna could be 130 to 140 feet above the water line.  This can improve the coverage just a little as it raises the distance to the horizon.  As we leave the coverage area of one satellite I would always see the needed elevation of the dish antenna get lower and lower until the signal was no longer usable.  At that point I would need to switch to another satellite that was visible at a higher elevation at the longitude where we were at the time.   Sometimes if the satellite was only about 15 degrees above the horizon and our ship was on a particular course the satellite could be blocked by the ships stack.  I can't say for sure about the size of a cruise ship, because I've never been aboard one.  A typical cargo ship would have a height of eye on the bridge of about 130 to 150 feet above the water.  Stacks or masts could easily add another 50 feet to 75 feet.  They like to keep these heights at a minimum because you have to get under bridges on a lot of voyages.     

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Flat Earth Media / Re: Heliocentric Speed Change Problem

« on: October 20, 2018, 04:52:55 AM »

It's an interesting video.  I was taught in engineering school that force, velocity, and acceleration are all vectors.  As the earth rotates the acceleration slowly increases or decreases because the rotation velocity is being added to the earths orbital velocity.  However, its only the vector component that's with or against the vector of the earths orbital path that will count towards the acceleration you will feel.  I would expect to see a very slow increase in acceleration for 6 hours followed by a very slow decrease for the next 6 hours.  The force distributed over the surface area of your body would be like a gnat creeping on to you over a 6 hour period, then off again.  As long as the gnat didn't bite, I don't think that I would feel a thing.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 20, 2018, 02:43:36 AM »

You really don't need any repeater stations to use the moon for useful radio communications.  Amateur radio operators bounce their signals off the moon on a regular basis today.  They have been doing that for more than 50 years.  The well known delay in getting a signal back & forth at the speed of light confirms the actual distance to the moon in the vicinity of 239k miles.  There have been many laser reflectors placed on the moon as well.  One of them was by the Russians in one of their unmanned missions.  Since there is a good reflector now in place, a laser range finder can be used to very accurately measure the distance to the moon to well under a meter of accuracy.  It's really not confusing at all.  Any person, world wide can do a little study, obtain a license as a amateur radio operator, and conduct all the experiments he wants and can verify any of the claims I've made.  I've been told, repeatedly, that all the signals are being bounced off the dome.  Then when I mentioned the dome in one of my posts I was rebuked by a moderator that there was no dome.  Yes, I agree with that, there is NO dome mentioned in the wiki for this site that I could find other than a small drawing that kind of looked like a dome.  Since there is no dome, then a geosynchronous satellite is certainly possible. INMARSAT claims to have many satellites in orbit above the earth's equator.  KVH claims to have many more.  The satellites were in the category of 25000 miles above the equator. My measured travel time up to the satellite and back confirmed that distance.  While I was on cargo ships traveling around the world I was using these satellite systems all day, every day for routine communications with the company office and agents world wide.  It wouldn't be unusual for us to have 500 million worth of cargo on at any given time.  With that much valuable cargo aboard you can be sure everyone was wanting constant updates as to our progress.  Some of the containers on the top rows even had their own satellite beacons that were completely separate from anything under our control.  This was especially true when we were transporting military cargo.   Years ago all the ship's routine traffic was handled by high frequency radio communications via morse code.  A radio officer aboard the ship will communicate with another operator at a shore station and handle the messages.  Now the captain, or anyone really, can pickup the phone and call home, the office, or anyone, worldwide.  I had a computer with a full internet connection that I could use when necessary.  This kind of technology would not be possible with any kind of passive reflector, like a dome.  It can't be fiber optic, it can't be an undersea cable, we were on a moving ship traveling at about 25 knots.  If the folks out there who claim that what I'm saying is false and can prove it, then they could make a small fortune.  Satellites are very expensive for the shipping companies.  They pay anywhere from 9000 to 35000 per month for the level of service that they require.  All this is necessary because satellites are expensive to build, launch, and maintain.  A passive reflector would be so much cheaper.  It's a golden opportunity for the non-believers.  For those who have the proof, the world is at your disposal, go out and make your fortune.       

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 19, 2018, 08:25:33 PM »

If NASA designed and executed a mission to the moon and it was only 400 miles away and that fact got out, they would be totally BUSTED.  All the advertised moon missions were for a distance of about 239k miles.  That could be sold as long, hard and expensive.  A short trip may have actually been done, but sold as an expensive one.  They could have been producing the 239k trip in the studio while the real trip of 400 miles was actually being conducted.  Just think of all the money that they could have pocketed with the difference in the advertised price and what was actually needed for the real thing.  You have to hand it to NASA, they know how to put a suction your wallet.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: NVIDIA claims that 20th century technology could not have faked the moon landing

« on: October 19, 2018, 08:10:53 PM »

The conspiracy thesis could also explain why NASA hasn't just sent a rocket up and off in any direction towards the edge with a camera and all kinds of measuring equipment.  Since a dome isn't part of the theory then a rocket could easily take images of the edge and what is beyond.  If there were some kind of black energy barrier, then that could be measured as well.  The biggest problem with that is that NASA would really be shooting themselves in the foot.  All of their own theories would be out the window with a mission they designed.  I wouldn't look for that to happen any time soon.     

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Questions about flat earth

« on: October 19, 2018, 07:56:23 PM »

I don't think that gravity is an option with the 'official' flat earth paradigm, in my opinion.  Therefore, to keep all the earth's inhabitants from floating off into the void, a constant upwards acceleration is required.  Gravity can't be present or the sun and moon would be attracted to the flat earth.  Both would crash into the earth and make a big mess.  What I don't know is how the sun and moon are also being accelerated at the identical rate as the earth.  The earth is theoretically being accelerated by dark energy of some kind.  What isn't posted is whether that dark energy is pushing the earth, moon, and sun or pulling them.  Gravity is a force that depends on a bodies mutual mass and distance.  The earth, moon and sun are of much different sizes, according to the wiki. Therefore any dark energy must be a completely different kind of force otherwise the acceleration rates would be different.  If the dark energy pushes or pulls according to the area and mass, again you would expect a different acceleration rate.  If the dark energy can push on and accelerate the earth, moon and sun, then why doesn't it seem to act on people, planes, or ships in a measurable way?  Maybe the dark energy is the real cause for cancer.  That's just another avenue for researchers to work on.  After all x-rays have been shown to cause cancer.  Electromagnetic waves can cause damage to biological entities.  If you don't believe that, just put a cat into a microwave oven and see what happens. 

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flat horizon 'evidence'

« on: October 19, 2018, 05:32:59 PM »

You are correct in that it is very difficult to see any kind of evidence of a global earth just by observation of the horizon with your own eyes.  Unfortunately,  circumnavigation of the globe doesn't really work very well either.  I know, firsthand, because I've done it myself a couple of times, in each direction.  If you look on a flat earth map you can clearly see that it would be possible to just get on a ship and sail in a circle and you would come back to the same place you started, but coming from the opposite direction.  That's difficult to do in the Northern latitudes (on a ship) because of the landmasses in the way, but by making detours, you can get completely around the world.  Round earth, or flat earth, the results would be the same.  Without some other evidence the task is difficult to decide which is the correct theory, round earth or flat earth. 

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Hollow Earth vs. Flat Earth vs. Geoid (earth shaped) Earth

« on: October 19, 2018, 05:09:15 PM »

I just thought that maybe the bottom of the flat earth might be coated with a thick layer of something like gold.  Since the earth has to be in constant acceleration to replace the gravity paradigm, then there has to be some kind of dark energy field at work pushing on the bottom of the earth.  Something like that would probably be incompatible with any biological life forms on the earths top side.  Gold is a very good radiation shield I just thought that it might be there to keep us all alive.  That idea would make sense if the flat earth was relatively thin.  If there isn't any gold there, then a much thicker cylinder makes more sense.  More thickness makes for better shielding.   

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: October 19, 2018, 04:55:03 PM »

The wiki on this site says that the moon is about 3000 miles above the flat earth and there is NO dome.  Hopefully you will point out those errors to the moderators of this site so they can fix the discrepancy.  I am getting totally confused with all the different explanations I see for how the flat earth really works.  How can I decide which is the correct theory?