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« Reply #400 on: October 31, 2024, 07:18:03 AM »
^ITT, LD champions the cause of "vote early, vote often!"

Truly the rallying cry of democracy!

GTFO with your bullshit.

How does one vote often without going to multiple polling places in person?  Ballots all have an ID number for each voter.  So one ballot will be counted no matter how many copies you have.
But in person?  No checking up on that system.  Just an ID (fake is easy to get) and a signature that some old folks must check.

Yeah, how is in person more secure again?
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« Reply #401 on: October 31, 2024, 10:09:00 AM »
^ITT LD claims ID's are easier to fake than a piece of paper.
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« Reply #402 on: October 31, 2024, 10:13:00 AM »
^ITT LD claims ID's are easier to fake than a piece of paper.
Oh faking the ballot paper is easy.
Putting in the right ID number, not so much.  How would you do that? How would you know it?
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« Reply #403 on: October 31, 2024, 10:53:13 AM »
^ITT LD claims ID's are easier to fake than a piece of paper.
Oh faking the ballot paper is easy.
Putting in the right ID number, not so much.  How would you do that? How would you know it?
How would you know what number to use on an ID?

Do we really need to have this discussion?

Everyone here already knows your take.

You want everyone and anyone to be able to vote by mail, simply because of "reasons."

It is a bullshit position to take because of increased risk to the election process, as evidenced by the example you provided.
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« Reply #404 on: October 31, 2024, 11:01:12 AM »
^ITT LD claims ID's are easier to fake than a piece of paper.
Oh faking the ballot paper is easy.
Putting in the right ID number, not so much.  How would you do that? How would you know it?
How would you know what number to use on an ID?

Do we really need to have this discussion?

Everyone here already knows your take.

You want everyone and anyone to be able to vote by mail, simply because of "reasons."

It is a bullshit position to take because of increased risk to the election process, as evidenced by the example you provided.

The ID number on your ID card  can be anything number.  The election workers have no way to verify it. 
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« Reply #405 on: October 31, 2024, 11:40:33 AM »
The ID number on your ID card  can be anything number.  The election workers have no way to verify it.
Actually, it cannot just be any number and the ID (at least in my neck of the woods, PODUNK) is now placed on a scanner, verifying who I am, along with a timestamp, of when I am voting, buying liquor, cigarettes, or whatever.

REAL ID is already rolled out in the majority of states.

I suggest you do some goddamn research prior to using your ass to post some more bullshit.

Election workers already know the series of ballot numbers available for use in precincts.
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« Reply #406 on: October 31, 2024, 01:26:24 PM »
https://abcnews.go.com/US/ballot-box-set-fire-west-coast-portland-oregon/story?id=115221030

I wonder how quickly the burning ballot box stories will disappear when they figure out who was setting them on fire.

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« Reply #407 on: October 31, 2024, 01:30:49 PM »
Poll update:

National: Trump +0.1 -- This Day In History: October 26, 2020: Biden +7.8 | October 26, 2016: Clinton +5.4
Arizona: Trump +1.0
Nevada: Trump +0.7
Wisconsin: Harris +0.8
Michigan: Harris +0.6
Pennsylvania: Harris +0.2
North Carolina: Trump +0.4
Georgia: Trump +2.1

Poll update:

National: Trump +0.4 -- This Day In History: 2020: Biden +7.4 | 2016: Clinton +1.3
Arizona: Trump +2.5
Nevada: Trump +0.5
Wisconsin: Harris +0.2
Michigan: Harris +0.5
Pennsylvania: Trump +0.8
North Carolina: Trump +1
Georgia: Trump +2.4

This election would be ridiculously close had Harris and her goons not already programmed the voting machines. It's going to be a blowout for Comrade Harris.

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« Reply #408 on: October 31, 2024, 03:07:49 PM »
Even in red Districts?
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« Reply #409 on: October 31, 2024, 09:27:10 PM »
That you still think I need to provide evidence of simply stating "x didn't happen/x didn't exist" continues to be your problem, not mine.
Rushy: Claims need to be evidenced.
Also Rushy: I didn't mean claims I make.

And before you go all "you can't evidence a negative", you made positive claims about the bombing in Hiroshima - about it being "firebombing" which you have offered no evidence of.

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"No, I don't want to do that, it's too hard :(" Always an excuse, isn't there?
Or you could deal with what I actually said in which I explained why your ask is nonsensical.
If you think you have evidence of something then produce it.
Just saying "Google this and you'll see what I mean" is vague and unhelpful.
But, just for the lolz, I did Google the phrase you asked me to. The first link was to the Wiki page about it. Then there were a bunch of articles about how Biden won. If there was any "self evident" evidence then I must have missed it. So can you elaborate?

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How can we establish how much I care about evidence if you insist on never posting any?
We have already established that.
You care about evidence of other people's claims - or you say you do, when any evidence of them is produced you dismiss it, if the claim is one you have arbitrarily decided you don't believe. The fact you say I "never post any" is QED.
And you don't care about evidencing your own claims.
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« Reply #410 on: November 01, 2024, 03:27:26 AM »
Finally getting back to the points raised some time ago:

Which Americans and what gun control? I find that while "gun control" is often positively polled, the numbers change drastically when you word precisely what is intended by "gun control". Take these gallup polls for example:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

Should gun policy be more strict? Most Americans answer yes. Then, when asked if they want to ban assault rifles, assault weapons or handguns, the majority say no. In the case of handguns, a whopping +46% say no. Harris supports an assault weapon ban, which automatically puts her on the wrong side of the gun policy polls. Unsurprisingly, this has cost her support.

According to the most recent polls listed on that website, the majority of respondents do support bans on assault rifles, although in the past the majority opposed them. This fits with other recent survey information I've found here and here.

What sort of rights do Democrats protect? What rights do Republicans plan to remove? As far as I understand it, the only strong difference these days is on the T. The majority of people in this Gallup poll answered that changing one's gender is "wrong".

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspx

Now, I'm not going to comment on whether it's wrong. What I am noting here is that the majority of people don't like the T in LGBT. Again, this is costing Harris support.

It's very misleading of you to point to the one section where the opposition won by a slim majority and ignore the section directly after where the opposition lost and by a bigger margin. I will say, though, that most polls I've looked up about public support for trans rights are all over the place, and it's hard to tell whether there are more results that suggest more people do support trans rights or the other way around. Nevertheless, whatever personal opinions Americans might hold about trans people's behavior, they're reasonably consistent in rejecting politicians who obsess over them. Ron DeSantis seems to be the only major politician who's found success lately in engaging closely with the culture war. Why this subject is apparently such a winner with him, I don't know, but then again, I also don't know why anyone would elect (and re-elect) an unpleasant, scowling little man with zero charisma or warmth who angrily snaps at his audience every time he gives a speech, so maybe Floridians are built different. There's a stark difference between personally disapproving of someone else changing their gender and voting for politicians who regularly rant about trans people and seemingly focus on them at the expense of issues that people actually care about, like the economy.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/majority-of-americans-reject-anti-trans-bills-but-support-for-this-restriction-is-rising

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/11/anti-trans-platforms-lose-elections/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/anti-trans-laws-not-politically-214632748.html

None of these are unbiased sources, admittedly, but their information seems legit, particularly with the election results. I can't think of any other major politician than DeSantis who's seen repeated success while building their identity almost entirely around reactionary culture wars. And of course gay rights are part of this subject. Imagine thinking that the GOP only has an issue with trans people and is totally cool with gay people all of a sudden. Laws restricting teachers mentioning homosexuality or banning books about gay relationships (while completely ignoring books or discussions about heterosexuality, because that's totally different), the rise in anti-drag bills, the "groomer" moral panic. In fact, that last one is the product of the current intellectual godfather of the conservative movement, Christopher Rufo. He's never been elected to any office, but I can't think of anyone outside of Trump himself who holds more sway over Republican policy positions and conservative language than him. As I mentioned, the "grooming" moral panic was his idea. Remember when every conservative was ranting about "CRT"? That was also Rufo's idea. And remember when some months ago every conservative abruptly stopped talking about "CRT" and began talking about "DEI" instead? Once again, Rufo decided on a change of terminology, gave the order, and every conservative from Republican politicians to gamers ranting about diversity in video games on the Internet obediently began ranting about "DEI" instead, a term that 99% of them had undoubtedly never heard before. This stuff isn't spontaneous. The conservative movement in this country is more or less controlled by a relatively small handful of hyper-religious nuts like Rufo. They hate gay people as much as they hate trans people, and it's only a matter of time before the Supreme Court overturns Obergefell and a coordinated attempt at striking down every gay marriage law across the country and ban it federally immediately goes into effect, just like it did with Dobbs. And speaking of abortion:

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This depends entirely on what you mean by "abortion rights". Do the majority of Americans support some form of abortion? The answer is yes. Do the majority of Americans support the Democrat party's particular flavor of abortion? No.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

Over a third of Americans want abortion to be illegal entirely. The vast majority of Americans believe abortion should be possible only under "certain circumstances". More specifically, the vast majority of Americans think abortion past the first trimester should be illegal. Right off the bat, the Democrats have to fight over only 70% of voters who want some form of pro-choice. Only 22% of those voters want abortion to be legal under all circumstances. It could very well be that the "pro-choice" voters interested in mild abortion access end up voting for Republicans because they consider no abortion access to be better than a free-for-all.

This is a blatant strawman. No mainstream politician thinks that all abortions should be allowed with zero rules or regulations that take into account things like the progression of the pregnancy. It's Republicans who pursue an absolutist stance on abortion with their end goal of not allowing any abortions at all, not Democrats. By saying that some abortions should be allowed, people are agreeing with Democrats, not Republicans.
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« Reply #411 on: November 01, 2024, 04:17:51 AM »
No mainstream politician thinks that all abortions should be allowed with zero rules or regulations that take into account things like the progression of the pregnancy.

Okay, how about your main favorite right now. What limits on abortion does Kamala Harris want? This was a specific question asked to her at the Trump-Kamala debate.

Kamala has clearly shown herself to be an abortion extrimist.

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« Reply #412 on: November 01, 2024, 02:33:38 PM »
According to the most recent polls listed on that website, the majority of respondents do support bans on assault rifles, although in the past the majority opposed them.

Assault rifles are already banned and have been for decades. The gallup polls do not mention assault weapons, so I will search for polls that do in addition to the ones you have found.

This fits with other recent survey information I've found here and here.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/24/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/

It appears that assault weapon bans do have the edge in support.

It's very misleading of you to point to the one section where the opposition won by a slim majority and ignore the section directly after where the opposition lost and by a bigger margin. I will say, though, that most polls I've looked up about public support for trans rights are all over the place, and it's hard to tell whether there are more results that suggest more people do support trans rights or the other way around. Nevertheless, whatever personal opinions Americans might hold about trans people's behavior, they're reasonably consistent in rejecting politicians who obsess over them. Ron DeSantis seems to be the only major politician who's found success lately in engaging closely with the culture war. Why this subject is apparently such a winner with him, I don't know, but then again, I also don't know why anyone would elect (and re-elect) an unpleasant, scowling little man with zero charisma or warmth who angrily snaps at his audience every time he gives a speech, so maybe Floridians are built different. There's a stark difference between personally disapproving of someone else changing their gender and voting for politicians who regularly rant about trans people and seemingly focus on them at the expense of issues that people actually care about, like the economy.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/majority-of-americans-reject-anti-trans-bills-but-support-for-this-restriction-is-rising

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/11/anti-trans-platforms-lose-elections/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/anti-trans-laws-not-politically-214632748.html

I don't think trans issues have been highlighted for long enough in modern politics to go as far as to say "this policy causes you to lose an election". My point was only that it doesn't have very wide support and I think that's clearly the case. Whether or not it costs Harris many votes is yet to be determined.


By saying that some abortions should be allowed, people are agreeing with Democrats, not Republicans.

This isn't necessarily true. Depending on how someone views abortion, simply being pro-choice might not be enough to have them avoid voting for pro-life candidates. Many pro-choice voters believe in emergency-only abortions and more lenient policies advertised by Democrats may disturb them.
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« Reply #413 on: November 02, 2024, 09:28:34 AM »
No mainstream politician thinks that all abortions should be allowed with zero rules or regulations that take into account things like the progression of the pregnancy.

Okay, how about your main favorite right now. What limits on abortion does Kamala Harris want? This was a specific question asked to her at the Trump-Kamala debate.

Kamala has clearly shown herself to be an abortion extrimist.
This is largely irrelevant as SCOTUS has already ruled and until a NEW SCOTUS rules differently, it's in the hands of states.  Nothing short of a constitutional amendment would change it.
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« Reply #414 on: November 02, 2024, 07:48:54 PM »
No mainstream politician thinks that all abortions should be allowed with zero rules or regulations that take into account things like the progression of the pregnancy.

Okay, how about your main favorite right now. What limits on abortion does Kamala Harris want? This was a specific question asked to her at the Trump-Kamala debate.

Kamala has clearly shown herself to be an abortion extrimist.

If a baby is born alive, doctors already have a legal duty to do everything they can to help it survive. That's the way it's always been. A bill like the one described in that article is a manipulative attempt to sell a false narrative to the public, and to vote for it is to concede and allow that false narrative to take hold. You can't just say "Well, if this doesn't happen to begin with, then there's no harm in voting in favor of this bill." That's not how politics works. It would be like voting on a bill that makes it illegal for black people to assault white people. Of course no politician would vote for that, and that wouldn't mean that you could logically respond to them by saying "Oho, so it should be legal for black people to assault white people?" The creation of a bill essentially says "There is a problem or something that we need to do better, and this bill is meant to address that," and voting for the bill says "Yes, I agree with you that there's a problem or something we need to do better." Harris was right to oppose this bill.
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« Reply #415 on: November 02, 2024, 08:44:17 PM »
I asked you what limits Kamala wants for abortion and you provide a singular defense of the post-birth abortion bill she supported. The article notes that she consistently refuses to deny her support for unlimited late term abortion. She was asked about it specifically in the debate and has been asked about it elsewhere.

In this 2023 interview the interviewer accuses Kamala of wanting unlimited abortion to-birth and asks the question about abortion limits multiple times, and she refuses to answer:

https://thefederalist.com/2024/07/23/no-matter-how-hard-she-tries-kamala-harris-cant-hide-her-history-of-abortion-extremism/

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In a September 2023 sitdown with CBS’ Margaret Brennan, Harris refused to say which abortion limits she supports, instead claiming she merely wants to “restore the protections of Roe [v.] Wade.”

Brennan noted that “[Roe] was about viability, which could be anywhere between 20 to 24 weeks” and pressed Harris to be “specific” about “which week of pregnancy” should serve as the cutoff. Harris, however, continued to obfuscate by using the same cop-outs the White House uses to cover up its desire to codify abortion through all nine months of pregnancy via legislation like the ill-named “Women’s Health Protection Act.”



"As a senator, Harris sponsored, introduced, and voted for multiple bills that stripped protections for unborn babies and pro-lifers. In addition to co-sponsoring the original version of the “Women’s Health Protection Act,” Harris voted against protections for babies born alive after botched abortions."
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« Reply #416 on: November 02, 2024, 11:39:24 PM »
My view:
If a baby is malformed and will suffer and die horribly shortly after being born, week 24 abortions should be allowed.  I would not to bring in a child just so they can suffer and die.
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« Reply #417 on: November 03, 2024, 02:13:47 AM »
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2024/11/02/iowa-poll-kamala-harris-leads-donald-trump-2024-presidential-race/75354033007/

Harris leading by 3 in Iowa? this is bad news for trump. 

betting markets are on the move trending towards kamala.



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« Reply #418 on: November 03, 2024, 03:38:50 PM »
I like Trump because he is going to use his authority to jail his opponents.

which opponents in particular? are you wanting him to arrest certain specific democrats? all current democratic lawmakers? all democrats in general? the quotes you provided were somewhat general.
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« Reply #419 on: November 03, 2024, 03:45:35 PM »
I like Trump because he is going to use his authority to jail his opponents.

which opponents in particular? are you wanting him to arrest certain specific democrats? all current democratic lawmakers? all democrats in general? the quotes you provided were somewhat general.
I do not know who Trump has in mind, but I don't think he is going to jail anyone, unless he absolutely needs to.

I would like to see him jail George Bush and the Cheneys, but this too will not come true.

Once Cumaloverme was substituted for Brandon, the process of free and open elections in the US was eliminated.

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