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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: November 21, 2020, 01:23:29 AM »

Oh no, you're doing it wrong. You're not supposed to find Dominion Voting Machine Votes for Trump. You're fired!

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger Wants Elections Director to Step Down After Floyd County “Finds” 2600 Uncounted Ballots - https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/georgia-secretary-state-brad-raffensperger-wants-elections-director-step-floyd-county-finds-2600-uncounted-ballots/

As reported by TGP’s Kristinn Taylor, the statewide recount of votes on the presidential election over the weekend revealed that in Floyd County, Georgia over 2,600 votes were not counted due to a server error, allegedly by a Dominion tabulating machine.

The statewide recount is still ongoing in several counties, the deadline for completion is 11:59 p.m. Wednesday.

The found votes reportedly favor President Trump almost two-to-one, cutting Joe Biden’s approximate 14,000 vote lead by about 800 votes.

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger on Monday evening immediately called for the elections director to step down.

Journalist Claire Simms:

https://twitter.com/Claire_FOX5/status/1328462537311055875

Another Elections Official fired for not following protocol:

DeKalb County, Georgia Elections Manager Fired After Series of Errors in Audit of Ballots - https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/dekalb-county-georgia-elections-manager-fired-series-errors-audit-ballots/

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: November 21, 2020, 01:00:21 AM »

A lot of chicanery going on in Georgia. Mixed, probably purposely misleading, information about a "risk-limiting audit" and a "full hand count". The recount looks questionable in the video because it probably was.

Georgia Elections Officials Instructed by State to Report Original Vote Totals and NOT Recount Totals - https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/report-georgia-elections-officials-instructed-state-report-original-vote-totals-not-recount-totals/

Attorney Linn Wood:

https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1328921766799011841

https://twitter.com/jennybethm/status/1328888692547538945

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: November 21, 2020, 12:33:31 AM »

Read that? OBLIGATED BY LAW.

capital letters don't actually make your argument better.

here is georgia's recount law — https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2019/title-21/chapter-2/article-12/section-21-2-495/

please show me where it mentions risk-whatever audits.

oh and here's the word straight from raffensperger: https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/historic_first_statewide_audit_of_paper_ballots_upholds_result_of_presidential_race

Today, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger announced the results of the Risk Limiting Audit of Georgia’s presidential contest, which upheld and reaffirmed the original outcome produced by the machine tally of votes cast. Due to the tight margin of the race and the principles of risk-limiting audits, this audit was a full manual tally of all votes cast. The audit confirmed that the original machine count accurately portrayed the winner of the election. The results of the audit can be viewed HERE , HERE , and HERE .

It says in a link on that page you linked that they were doing narrow audits:

https://sos.ga.gov/admin/uploads/RLA_Public_Notice_11092020.pdf



It appears that they are claiming to have done the risk limiting audit, as well as a hand count, which they added on to be thorough.

The people counting in this "we hand counted" venture don't seem to have pencils, computers, or any type of recording device and must memorizing the counts as they go in their heads:

Video:

https://twitter.com/TalkMullins/status/1328171368563822594

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: November 20, 2020, 11:06:34 PM »

Yep. I read it.

"The state was obligated by law to perform a 'risk-limiting audit'—a means of determining accuracy by counting a random sample chosen according to mathematical formulas."

Read that? OBLIGATED BY LAW. They can't just choose to do something else. They had to do it.

They agreed to do it:

"They did, however, agree to carry out a version of risk-limiting audits, with the guidance of a nonprofit organization called Voting Works."

Some confusion on exactly what they did:

“This whole thing was originally called a risk-limiting audit, then a hand recount, then an audit—I don’t know what it is; I don’t think anyone else knows”

Even if they did a different kind of recount, it wouldn't affect the election's results for legal reasons. The law says it has to be a risk-limiting audit:

"By Tuesday, the state appeared to have done a legal analysis of its effort; Gabriel Sterling, the state’s voting system manager, announced that the hand count would not in any way change the election’s results, for legal reasons."

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: November 20, 2020, 10:50:31 PM »

They didn't recount at all the votes and compare them with the computer's total tally. They only picked out a small percentage of paper ballots that they had and counted them, extrapolating that everything else would be the same. They just selected from the pile of ballots that they had, ignoring that some may have been added or removed to the total tally. Quite flawed.

patently false.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/georgia-election-recount-audit-pace-deadline/
"The hand recount of nearly 5 million votes stems from an audit required by a new state law and wasn't in response to any suspected problems with the state's results or an official recount request. The law requires the audit to be done before the counties' certified results can be certified by the state.

Sterling said counties are on a "good pace" for completing the audit in its scheduled time and stressed that elections officials who have become a target of Mr. Trump's ire on Twitter are "diligently following the law." More than 4.9 million ballots have been hand audited so far, with "tens of thousands" left, he said."

Wrong. It was a "risk-limiting" audit.

Why Georgia’s Unscientific Recount ‘Horrified’ Experts - https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/georgia-recount/

The series of events leading to the “audit” began with a flurry of attacks from within the GOP leveled at Raffensperger, launched not even a week after Election Day, urging everything from his resignation to a complete recount done by hand of all ballots from the Nov. 3 election.

In a surprise move, Raffensperger announced on Nov. 11 that he would order the count. He used what Gregory Miller, chief operating officer of OSET Institute, a nonprofit organization that researches and develops election technology, called “pretzel logic.” The state was obligated by law to perform a “risk-limiting audit”—a means of determining accuracy by counting a random sample chosen according to mathematical formulas. The technique has been tried in a small but growing number of states in recent years, and the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine concluded in a 2018 report that all states “should mandate risk-limiting audits.” But Raffensperger decided to forego choosing a sample of ballots, insisting instead that counting all of the nearly five million ballots by hand, in less than a week, would be necessary to fulfill the obligation.

Georgia came to the idea of conducting risk-limiting audits last year, after federal judge Nina Totenberg ordered the state to overhaul its entire elections system due to outdated technology plagued by computing vulnerabilities. The state is one of only a handful that uses the same system statewide, whereas most states use a patchwork of voting methods; in addition, the voting machines then in use did not print out paper ballots.

But as state officials debated how to comply with the judge’s order, experts urged the state to abandon digital voting altogether, to adopt voting by hand-marked paper ballots, and to follow up elections with risk-limiting audits.

The latter received the imprimatur of the National Academies for a reason. For decades, many states have performed audits by hand-counting ballots in a fixed percentage of precincts. But a fixed percentage “may not provide adequate assurance with regard to the outcome of a close election,” according to the 2018 report. Risk-limiting audits, on the other hand, examine “randomly selected paper ballots until sufficient statistical assurance is obtained,” as the report’s authors wrote. The so-called risk limit refers to the largest possible chance that the audit will not correct an inaccurate result. For example, a 10 percent risk limit means an audit has a 90 percent chance of identifying the correct result of an election. The formulas underpinning the audit determine how many ballots will need to counted to reach that limit.

In the end, Georgia lawmakers decided to ignore most expert advice, and spent $107 million on a new computerized voting system, including voting machines that print out paper ballots—the object of this week’s count. They did, however, agree to carry out a version of risk-limiting audits, with the guidance of a nonprofit organization called Voting Works.

Raffensperger’s surprise announcement claimed that the race was so close that mathematical formulas suggested that up to 1.5 million ballots would need to be randomly pulled, and that counting all 5 million by hand would be easier. This appeared to satisfy GOP critics, while also complying with state law regarding risk-limiting audits. One problem: state law also doesn’t allow for changing the election outcome based on the audit results.

The secretary of state called it “an audit, recount and recanvass, all at once.” The issue, Miller noted in a widely-read essay, was that each of these concepts has a different definition, and different legal and technical implications. (A recount, for example, is conducted by scanners, not by hand.)

Philip B. Stark, the U.C. Berkeley statistics professor widely recognized as the creator of risk-limiting audits, called the state’s decision a “FrankenCount” in an email. “Part of me is delighted that the idea has caught on,” he added in a call. “Part of me is horrified—they’re misrepresenting what it can do.”

Stark told me that a risk-limiting audit, to be effective, must have “trustworthy ballots.” This means, among other things, that each county would have canvassed its results, and ensured that the number of ballots tallied before uploading results to the state matched the number of voters who turned up at the polls. This would have avoided the “discovery” of thousands of ballots in several counties during the hand count that had not been included in statewide results. In the current climate, this has added fuel to allegations of wrongdoing—even though it didn’t change the election’s outcome. After all was said and done, Biden was still the winner, by 12,284 votes—less than 500 votes different from the tally compiled by machine.

Stark also questioned Raffensperger’s claim regarding the necessary sample size, which Voting Works had estimated at 1.5 million. Stark said a risk-limiting audit “could have been done with 2,500 ballots, according to my methods and my calculations.”

On-the-ground observers of the count included Harri Hursti, an election cybersecurity expert who has studied elections in five countries, including the US. “This whole thing was originally called a risk-limiting audit, then a hand recount, then an audit—I don’t know what it is; I don’t think anyone else knows,” he said.

Hursti noted that he had looked at the software being used to manage the hand count, an easy thing to do, given that Voting Works uses open-source code. He had seen more than a dozen changes to the code since the count began—a security concern, he said, since no entity had approved the original software or the changes.

Hursti also noted that staffers and volunteers in different counties—and sometimes in the same county—were following different procedures for counting the ballots. “Hand recounts only work when people are trained in and apply consistent methodologies,” said Richard DeMillo, computer science professor and interim chairman of the School of Cybersecurity and Privacy at Georgia Tech. “You could look at live feeds [of the hand count] and see that this is not the case.”

As Miller wrote in his essay, “audits must be sufficiently well-organized and rigorous that they do not potentially risk becoming yet another ‘political football’ for partisans to argue over; the whole point of a post-election audit is to produce clear evidence that reduces uncertainty—not to give politicians a fresh set of new ‘irregularities’ to argue about.”

By Tuesday, the state appeared to have done a legal analysis of its effort; Gabriel Sterling, the state’s voting system manager, announced that the hand count would not in any way change the election’s results, for legal reasons. “What was the exercise about?” asked Marilyn Marks in response. Marks is executive director of the Coalition for Good Governance, an organization whose ongoing lawsuit against the state led to Judge Totenberg’s 2019 order. “Why take a week to do this, at a high cost and exposing so many workers to Covid?” Calls and emails requesting comment to the Secretary of State, Gabriel Sterling, and Voting Works were not returned.

On Thursday evening, with the hand count done, a federal judge denied a petition by attorney L. Lin Wood for a Temporary Restraining Order on the state certifying its election results, which took place Friday. After certification, President Trump can legally ask for a recount, which again means tallying up all votes by scanner.

In the end, the path Georgia has taken is a loss for the concept of a genuine risk-limiting audit, said Miller. “This may not matter—except to those who want to preserve risk-limiting audits as an important means of trusting the vote,” he said. “On Jan. 5, we will undoubtedly see incredibly close races—with attendant calls for recounts … Will they apply regulations to ensure verification, accuracy and ideally, transparent elections—or will it fuel the same sort of distractions they’re seeing now?”

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: November 20, 2020, 09:15:17 PM »

Its not if the investments keep failing.

Real estate is one of the safest investments. Property tends to always retain the bulk of its value, even if the market is low.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: November 20, 2020, 08:52:09 PM »

Trump is pretty smart for using his large line of credit to make more money.

MSM is too financially illiterate to understand that it's a bad thing for a regular person to be in debt, but it's a good thing for Trump to be in investment debt.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: November 20, 2020, 08:28:21 PM »

Dominion 'Lawyers Up' Before Abruptly Backing Out Of Pennsylvania Fact-Finding Hearing

Yes folks it was fraud, the whole damn election. Trump won by a landslide AGAIN,,,

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/dominion-voting-lawyers-abruptly-backing-out-pennsylvania-fact-finding-hearing

"State Govt Committee Chair Seth Grove said the 1.3. million Pennsylvanians who used Dominion’s voting machines have been “hung out to dry and slapped in their faces.”

Amazing that no malfeasance by Dominion was found in the hand recount in Georgia. It’s just so, super duper weird.

They didn't recount at all the votes and compare them with the computer's total tally. They only picked out a small percentage of paper ballots that they had and counted them, extrapolating that everything else would be the same. They just selected from the pile of ballots that they had, ignoring that some may have been added or removed to the total tally. Quite flawed.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: November 20, 2020, 10:33:25 AM »

They're being asked to toss out mostly trivial numbers of votes for spurious reasons.

The cases you are referring to were from lawyers trying to get a precedent set that the states were violating election laws. They aren't going after 600 votes for spurious reasons. It would be a gotcha and allow them to point out that the state is complicit.

Those aren't the main fraud cases, and is rather daft to point out as a "Trump loss". It's more like they were written up and filed because they could, with little risk and a lot of gain.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: November 20, 2020, 10:22:05 AM »

And Biden’s win confirmed by the recount

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55006188

Trump Team says that's it's false that it has been officially decided.

Trump’s team say a lot of things in public.
But when they get into court, are under oath and are dealing in facts then time after time the judges are telling them to stop wasting the court’s time.
Weird, isn’t it? What with all this evidence that they definitely have.

It's not weird that cases are working themselves through the state court systems, who are reluctant to police themselves or admit wrongdoing, and are being appealed to higher courts, like it was expected to happen.

Is the lowest tier of judge going to overturn a state election? Not happening. Actions by the lower courts would just get appealed by the other side to the higher courts regardless.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: November 20, 2020, 07:19:36 AM »

And Biden’s win confirmed by the recount

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55006188

Trump Team says that's it's false that it has been officially decided.



Washington Examiner says Trump still has an option for another recount, even after its certified - https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/georgia-recount-results-biden-still-ahead-trump-further-check

Linn Wood also has an suit to stop the certification, which is going through the court system, which is being appealed to the 11th Circuit and then can go to the SCOTUS for review.

2652

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: November 20, 2020, 06:49:13 AM »

Nope, Carlson said that he's not dismissing it. He said that he asked for the court evidence and she didn't give it to him.

what powell was describing
would amount to the single
greatest crime in american history
millions of votes stolen in a day
democracy destroyed the end of our
centuries-old system of self-government
not a small thing
now to be perfectly clear we did not
dismiss any of it
we don't dismiss anything anymore
particularly when it's related to
technology

Court evidence is for the judges, not the media. They were reading some of the affidavits in the press conference. If Dems knew what the whistleblowers were going to say they would have time to harass the stated or likely people making the claims or manufacture contradictory evidence.

2653

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: November 20, 2020, 06:00:53 AM »

The only active lawsuit was declared moot by Trump's campaign, so this is the governor just sounding off for political effect.

Not according to that article linked.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/arizona-governor-wont-accept-election-results-until-all-lawsuits-are-settled_3585098.html?v=ul

“There are legal claims that are being challenged in court, and everybody on the ballot has certain access rights and remedies, and if they want to push that, they are able. Once those are adjudicated and the process plays out, I will accept the results of the election,” the Republican governor said at a news conference on Nov. 18.

Yes, it should tell you where to look for fraud.  Unfortunately, as Trump's own lawyers have admitted in court time and again, they have no evidence of fraud.  A mathematician's analysis will never be the sole instrument of disenfranchisement of voters.  The public interest is too great.

Trump's team does say that they are claiming fraud in court. Watch today's earlier press conference for information on what they are alleging. The mathematician is just further evidence on a growing mountain of evidence for fraud.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: November 20, 2020, 05:24:36 AM »

"Giuliani Deboooonked"

Daytime Fox is very liberal. You posted a liberal show. There are only a few Fox evening shows that are conservative. If the information in that Trump Press Conference is true, it's really bad news for Biden. This is why MSM has been trying to misrepresent the truth and focus on Guliani's hair today.

Trump Press Conference: "We have evidence of different numbers of votes being injected into the system. The same, identical, unique six digit number multiple times in at least two states that we have analyzed so far."

Dems in trouble in Arizona

BREAKING: Arizona Governor Announces He Won’t Accept Election Results Until All Lawsuits Are Settled

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1329493971341611010?s=19

Recently fired Kris Kreb was at an election night viewing party with Dominion.

NY Post - You're Fired! Former CISA Director Kris Kreb held watch party with Dominion Voting staff on election night]NY Post - You're Fired! Former CISA Director Kris Kreb held watch party with Dominion Voting staff on election night

Just The News - In sworn statement, prominent mathematician flags up to 100,000 Pennsylvania ballots

"In a sworn declaration, a respected mathematician says his analysis of election data and phone interviews with Pennsylvania voters raises questions about as many as 100,000 absentee ballots requested in the key battleground state where President Trump and Joe Biden are separated by just about 82,000 votes."

Wow.  If only there were evidence to fuel his speculation.

Election fraud analysis by mathematicians is admissible as court evidence.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes

« on: November 20, 2020, 04:34:52 AM »

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: November 20, 2020, 03:51:27 AM »

Just The News - In sworn statement, prominent mathematician flags up to 100,000 Pennsylvania ballots

"In a sworn declaration, a respected mathematician says his analysis of election data and phone interviews with Pennsylvania voters raises questions about as many as 100,000 absentee ballots requested in the key battleground state where President Trump and Joe Biden are separated by just about 82,000 votes."

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Fun with 2-D orbital geometry

« on: November 19, 2020, 09:27:58 PM »

You are comparing two days when the first quarter moon occurred, and when the Moon passed over your meridian on that day. You need to find the exact time the first quarter moon occurred.

The Moon rises 50 minutes later than the Sun every day. A difference of 20 minutes is within error bounds.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes

« on: November 19, 2020, 05:56:43 PM »

2659

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: November 19, 2020, 05:15:08 AM »

The next time you're in court try ranting at a judge that you know where she lives and where her children go to school and see how that works out for you. Plenty of people would interpret that as a threat.

Whether Judge, Police Officer, Elections Official, all the same. A person in power being attacked verbally by someone who chooses to bring up that they know where their children go to school.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: November 19, 2020, 04:17:35 AM »

The county involving the democrat making implied threats against children of election official Monica Palmer has reversed their decision to certify the results. The elections officials are now claiming that they were bullied into certifying the results and that there are too many irregularities.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/wayne-county-election-board-republicans-say-they-were-bullied-rescind

"The comments made accusations of racism and threatened me and members of my family," Palmer said in her affidavit.