Neil DeGrasse Tyson is Wrong
« on: January 27, 2016, 06:39:20 AM »
Anyone who wants to challenge NdG Tyson has to point out his blatant ignorance on the most fundamental equations of science:





Here is the transcript from episode 10 (The electric boy) from the Cosmos series, hosted by NdG Tyson:

http://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view_episode_scripts.php?tv-show=cosmos-a-spacetime-odyssey-2014&episode=s01e10

When Maxwell translated Faraday's experimental observation on electromagnetic fields into equations, he discovered an asymmetry.


In the video itself, of episode 10, The Electric Boy, at 37:37, Tyson shows this:



TYSON IS IGNORANT OF THE ORIGINAL SET OF MAXWELL'S EQUATIONS.

Tyson has no idea whatsoever that the four equations shown by him, in fact, DO NOT belong to Maxwell at all.

Had he done the proper research, he would have discovered the original set of equations, Maxwell's ether equations, as published in the work On Lines of Force.


Much more information here:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1639521#msg1639521


However, since the original set of Maxwell's equations are in fact a set of ether equations, no other FE would wish to bring this argument to a possible discussion.

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Re: Neil DeGrasse Tyson is Wrong
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2016, 04:31:23 PM »
Sandokhan, I split this off and moved it to Flat Earth Debate as it is not really appropriate for the Announcements forum, but I think is definitely worth being discussed.

Re: Neil DeGrasse Tyson is Wrong
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2016, 04:57:42 PM »
Neil DeGrasse Tyson did not edit the show, so he is not the person to blame for this mistake.

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Re: Neil DeGrasse Tyson is Wrong
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2016, 01:01:14 AM »
Anyone who wants to challenge NdG Tyson has to point out his blatant ignorance on the most fundamental equations of science:

However, since the original set of Maxwell's equations are in fact a set of ether equations, no other FE would wish to bring this argument to a possible discussion.

Poor, poor Neil DeGrasse Tyson simply has not been informed of the greatest living scientist, the one and only sandokhan!

But you cannot blame him, it is ALL your fault, because you seem to hide your fantastic theories here in TFES and The Flat Earth Society. Why don't you spread the word? Publish, or be damned, as they say in academic circles.

Why do YOU let him waste his life in ignorance? Don't debate it with us we're just ignorant Flatists and Globulists! What would we poor ignorant people know?

You owe it to the whole world to tell him yourself. You should gather a group of your most ardent followers[1] and confront him ("shirt-front him" as our former PM would say).


[1] All one of you, including you most ardent and only admirer, yourself!

Re: Neil DeGrasse Tyson is Wrong
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2016, 04:51:30 AM »
Yes, you are technically correct. Those equations are not the original form Maxwell used. They are however are equivalent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_equations

Anyone who has taken an E&M course, as I have, will call those the Maxwell Equations. Historically noting those as the first equations Maxwell is incorrect. Those are the more modern form.

Are you suggesting these equations are incorrect or pointing out the error?
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Re: Neil DeGrasse Tyson is Wrong
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2016, 11:13:38 AM »
GR explained the precession of the perihelion of Mercury's orbit.

HOW EINSTEIN MODIFIED HIS FORMULA RELATING TO MERCURY'S ORBIT IN ORDER TO FIT THE RESULTS:

http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Rethinking_Relativity.htm

Fact:  The equation that accounted for Mercury’s orbit had been published 17 years earlier, before Relativity was invented.  The author, Paul Gerber, used the assumption that gravity is not instantaneous, but propagates with the speed of light.  After Einstein published his General Relativity derivation, arriving at the same equation, Gerber’s article was reprinted in *Annalen der Physik* (the journal that had published Einstein’s Relativity papers).  The editors felt that Einstein should have acknowledged Gerber’s priority.  Although Einstein said he had been in the dark, it was pointed out that Gerber’s formula had been published in Mach’s Science of Mechanics, a book that Einstein was known to have studied.  So how did they both arrive at the same formula?

Tom Van Flandern was convinced that Gerber’s assumption (gravity propagates with the speed of light) was wrong.  So he studied the question.  He points out that the formula in question is well known in celestial mechanics.  Consequently, it could be used as a “target” for calculations that were intended to arrive at it.  He saw that Gerber’s method “made no sense, in terms of the principles of celestial mechanics.”  Einstein had also said (in a 1920 newspaper article) that Gerber’s derivation was “wrong through and through.”

So how did Einstein get the same formula?  Van Flandern went through his calculations, and found to his amazement that they had “three separate contributions to the perihelion; two of which add, and one of which cancels part of the other two; and you wind up with just the right multiplier.”  So he asked a colleague at the University of Maryland, who as a young man had overlapped with Einstein at Princeton’s Institute for Advanced Study, how in his opinion Einstein had arrived at the correct multiplier.  This man said it was his impression that, “knowing the answer,” Einstein had “jiggered the arguments until they came out with the right value.”


The most extraordinary proofs on HOW EINSTEIN FAKED HIS 1919/1922 DATA FOR THE SO CALLED EINSTEIN SHIFT:

http://einstein52.tripod.com/alberteinsteinprophetorplagiarist/id9.html


http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/dishones.htm (scroll down to the section: With regard to the politics that led to Einstein's fame Dr. S. Chandrasekhar's article [46] states...)


http://web.archive.org/web/20070202201854/http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/einstein.html


Dr. F. Schmeidler of the Munich University Observatory has published a paper  titled "The Einstein Shift An Unsettled Problem," and a plot of shifts for 92 stars for the 1922 eclipse shows shifts going in all directions, many of them going the wrong way by as large a deflection as those shifted in the predicted direction! Further examination of the 1919 and 1922 data originally interpreted as confirming relativity, tended to favor a larger shift, the results depended very strongly on the manner for reducing the measurements and the effect of omitting individual stars.



Anyone who has taken an E&M course, as I have, will call those the Maxwell Equations. Historically noting those as the first equations Maxwell is incorrect. Those are the more modern form.

You have been studying the wrong equations: the Heaviside-Lorentz equations, NOT the original Maxwell equations.


https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1639521#msg1639521

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Re: Neil DeGrasse Tyson is Wrong
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2016, 01:02:25 PM »
How controversial!  Einstein thought his theory should be able to explain known phenomena! Scandal!

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Re: Neil DeGrasse Tyson is Wrong
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2016, 02:58:25 AM »
How controversial!  Einstein thought his theory should be able to explain known phenomena! Scandal!
Do you think that maybe you could teach Sandokhan to use the "Quote" facility. It might break his incomprehensible walls of text into down into barely comprehensible panels of text. Mind you, on this site it appears under "Actions". Or one could copy the "[quote author= . . . . ]" from the heading.

He just might take more notice of you than of me!

<< yes, one needs a bit of subtlety when trying to quote a "quote" >>
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Re: Neil DeGrasse Tyson is Wrong
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2016, 02:13:44 PM »
Hate to point it out, Rabinoz, but you seem to be having difficulty of your own with the quote function...
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