[Tom Bishop]

Trump's McDonalds visit was a brilliant campaign strategy. To the average person the chronic Trump-complainers sound like idiots for complaining about this.

The event produced iconic Americana-reminiscent imagery which has resonated nationally and internationally as advertisements for Trump, McDonalds and America itself.

[Roundy]

Trump's McDonalds visit was a brilliant campaign strategy. To the average person the chronic Trump-complainers sound like idiots for complaining about this.

The event produced iconic Americana-reminiscent imagery which has resonated nationally and internationally as advertisements for Trump, McDonalds and America itself.

Excellent job digging your nose deep up Trump's asshole as usual, Tom.

[Lord Dave]

Trump's McDonalds visit was a brilliant campaign strategy. To the average person the chronic Trump-complainers sound like idiots for complaining about this.

The event produced iconic Americana-reminiscent imagery which has resonated nationally and internationally as advertisements for Trump, McDonalds and America itself.

Spoken like someone whose never worked in fast food.

Also, why is Trump's Promotion of "poison" and exploited farmers a good thing?

[Pete Svarrior]

The resume we're talking about is from the first job she ever applied for. It's a 40 year old resume. I'm not talking about her putting a McDonald's job on her resume for district attorney.

We're talking about an application for a law clerk position at the district attorney's office. (Or, well, the Trump campaign is - if you're referring to a different resume, please share it.) It would be extremely Weird to list Maccies on there.

[AATW]

The event produced iconic Americana-reminiscent imagery which has resonated nationally and internationally as advertisements for Trump, McDonalds and America itself.

Or, to put it another way, it didn't/

[Rushy]

I just don't know why this has become a "thing" - I don't mean on here, it seems to be a news story. I don't know why it matters.

It matters in the sense that Dave thinks it matters. I couldn't personally care either way.

Trump does.  So much so he made a whole PR stunt about it.  Probably cost alot of money and time.

Trump thinks it's funny and it is. There are zero people that watched the Trump McDonald's skit and thought to themselves "wow, he's a lower class worker, just like me".

The resume we're talking about is from the first job she ever applied for. It's a 40 year old resume. I'm not talking about her putting a McDonald's job on her resume for district attorney.

We're talking about an application for a law clerk position at the district attorney's office. (Or, well, the Trump campaign is - if you're referring to a different resume, please share it.) It would be extremely Weird to list Maccies on there.

This is all a very interesting way to boil down an argument to "actually I'm just going to take her word for it". Sure, you can do that. You still have no evidence to back it up and we're back to square one. You believe her, that's nice, I don't and you have yet to provide a compelling reason to shift my view.

[Rushy]

Poll update:

National: Harris +1.6 -- This Day In History: October 18, 2020: Biden +8.9 | October 18, 2016: Clinton +7.1
Arizona: Trump +1.4
Nevada: Trump +0.5
Wisconsin: Trump +0.1
Michigan: Trump +0.9
Pennsylvania: Trump +0.5
North Carolina: Trump +1.0
Georgia: Trump +0.9

Poll update:

National: Harris +1.1 -- This Day In History: October 23, 2020: Biden +8.0 | October 23, 2016: Clinton +5.9
Arizona: Trump +1.8
Nevada: Trump +0.9
Wisconsin: Trump +0.4
Michigan: Trump +1.2
Pennsylvania: Trump +0.8
North Carolina: Trump +0.4
Georgia: Trump +2.5

[AATW]

I don't

Why not?

[Rushy]

I don't

Why not?

Why should I?

[AATW]

I don't

Why not?

Why should I?

Because it's a plausible enough claim. On what basis would you doubt it?
If she was claiming to have walked on the moon then I'd want to see some pretty good evidence of that.
Claiming she had a job in McDonalds when she was at college - it's such a common thing for students to do I don't know why this is even a talking point.
And I will concede some skill on Trump's part in making it one.

[Rushy]

Because it's a plausible enough claim.

Nice opinion.

On what basis would you doubt it?

On what basis should I believe it?

If she was claiming to have walked on the moon then I'd want to see some pretty good evidence of that.
Claiming she had a job in McDonalds when she was at college - it's such a common thing for students to do I don't know why this is even a talking point.
And I will concede some skill on Trump's part in making it one.

I'm not the one making this a talking point or dragging the conversation about it out. To put it another way, all I did was state I don't believe her. Why do you have such a problem with that?

[AATW]

To put it another way, all I did was state I don't believe her. Why do you have such a problem with that?

I'm just interested in how you arrive at decisions about what to believe or disbelieve.
Do you disbelieve her because you believe there's good evidence she's lying? Or is it that you just think she's a liar and inherently disbelieve anything she says?
For me if pretty much anyone told me they'd worked at McDonalds during college it just wouldn't occur to me they're lying. Why would they? It's just such a stupid and pointless lie.

[Rushy]

To put it another way, all I did was state I don't believe her. Why do you have such a problem with that?

I'm just interested in how you arrive at decisions about what to believe or disbelieve.
Do you disbelieve her because you believe there's good evidence she's lying? Or is it that you just think she's a liar and inherently disbelieve anything she says?
For me if pretty much anyone told me they'd worked at McDonalds during college it just wouldn't occur to me they're lying. Why would they? It's just such a stupid and pointless lie.

Harris isn't necessarily a liar. Maybe she really does believe she worked at McDonald's, despite having never worked there.

[Lord Dave]

Harris isn't necessarily a liar. Maybe she really does believe she worked at McDonald's, despite having never worked there.

How did you come by this assertion?

[Pongo]

Harris isn't necessarily a liar. Maybe she really does believe she worked at McDonald's, despite having never worked there.

How did you come by this assertion?

Imagine falling so hard for the propaganda that you think Kamala Hussain Harris ever worked a minimum wage job in her life.

[AATW]

despite having never worked there.

Nice opinion.

[Roundy]

Harris isn't necessarily a liar. Maybe she really does believe she worked at McDonald's, despite having never worked there.

How did you come by this assertion?

Imagine falling so hard for the propaganda that you think Kamala Hussain Harris ever worked a minimum wage job in her life.

Um, imagine falling for the propaganda so hard that you reject without reason just the notion that Kamala Harris might have ever worked a minimum wage job in her life?

[Rushy]

Harris isn't necessarily a liar. Maybe she really does believe she worked at McDonald's, despite having never worked there.

How did you come by this assertion?

Where do you see an assertion in my post?

despite having never worked there.

Nice opinion.

This is the natural result of one side having no evidence other than "dude trust me". There's nothing beyond "dude just take Harris' word for it stop questioning our leaders" and so we're stuck at "nice opinion".

reject without reason

All we expect is some simple evidence. You consistently have this problem, Roundy. You have some nonsensical belief, and then someone says "can you prove it?" and all you can do is summon up some hollow "my faith is all I need" explanation.

[AATW]

This is the natural result of one side having no evidence other than "dude trust me".

Neither side has any evidence.
Harris has asserted without evidence she worked there. Trump has asserted without evidence that she didn't.
And before you go all "HoW cAn He PrOve A NeGaTiVe", if someone who knew her at the time was calling bullshit on her claim, or McDonalds themselves were, then that would be evidence she's lying.

I don't know what evidence you'd expect her to have. Who keeps evidence of a temporary job from 40 years ago? Even McDonalds themselves are saying they don't keep records going back that far. Again, the level of evidence required depends on the claim. Someone saying they did a temp job at college - why does it take some massive leap of faith to believe that? A fairly senior colleague was talking about her CV - giving me some advice on mine - and she said she was told to only put relevant things on it. She said to me "that's why I don't include my year working as a florist". I didn't scream at her "PROVE IT!!!". It's not some outlandish claim.
If you think it is a "nonsensical belief" to find it plausible that Harris had a job in colleague then why do you think that?

[Rushy]

Neither side has any evidence.
Harris has asserted without evidence she worked there. Trump has asserted without evidence that she didn't.

Only Harris is making an assertion. Trump doesn't need to provide evidence that a claim is false. Harris needs to provide evidence that it is true. That you believe otherwise is a fundamental flaw in modern critical thinking skills and says quite a lot about your country's education system.

And before you go all "HoW cAn He PrOve A NeGaTiVe", if someone who knew her at the time was calling bullshit on her claim, or McDonalds themselves were, then that would be evidence she's lying.

Again, we don't need evidence she is lying. What someone says, without evidence, is not true in and of itself. By default, if she cannot support her claim, then she is either lying or honestly mistaken.

I don't know what evidence you'd expect her to have. Who keeps evidence of a temporary job from 40 years ago? Even McDonalds themselves are saying they don't keep records going back that far. Again, the level of evidence required depends on the claim. Someone saying they did a temp job at college - why does it take some massive leap of faith to believe that? A fairly senior colleague was talking about her CV - giving me some advice on mine - and she said she was told to only put relevant things on it. She said to me "that's why I don't include my year working as a florist". I didn't scream at her "PROVE IT!!!". It's not some outlandish claim.
If you think it is a "nonsensical belief" to find it plausible that Harris had a job in colleague then why do you think that?

Why do you think it's true? Just because she said it? I find that comical.