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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #680 on: September 10, 2021, 10:27:20 AM »
"We want you to live so much that we will make sure you cannot work in order to put a roof over your head or food in your stomach if you do not comply." - Joe Biden

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #681 on: September 10, 2021, 12:07:05 PM »
ok, so the four anti-vaxxers in our west coast facility all got sick at the same time and crippled their warehouse. It's not a large operation and they have been struggling for the last two weeks to keep the business going while half their shipping crew is out.

Two are still too sick to work, one should be back tomorrow and one is in ICU. His wife and child are in the same hospital on a different floor. The absolute saddest part is that he was in the hospital bed posting anti vax propaganda from his phone right up until he was moved to ICU. Meanwhile, all the right wing media mouth holes that convinced him not to wear a mask, not to get the vaccine are all vaccinated. Their families are all vaccinated. Even King of All Dumbasses, Trump is vaccinated.

In America, many employers offer health insurance as part of compensation. Anyone without health insurance who faces a major medical incident could be in debt the rest of their life. Even with health insurance, you could spend years paying off medical expenses that aren't covered by your policy. When we hire someone who smokes cigarettes, the cost to insure them is much higher. As the cost of insurance is going up, the company has to decide whether to reduce benefits with cheaper policies or make employees pay part of the premium. This guy is consuming thousands of dollars of medical resources a day which is going to impact our already crushing insurance costs. If you think the vaccine is some financial scam, you need to look at how the insurance companies and health care industry have been collaborating to plunder the American economy for decades.

Of course, just like the guy in ICU. The anti vax crowd is going to call me a liar. They will say this family was hospitalized in a motorcycle wreck or they have been hired as 'crisis actors'.
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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #682 on: September 10, 2021, 02:01:26 PM »
"We want you to live so much that we will make sure you cannot work in order to put a roof over your head or food in your stomach if you do not comply." - Joe Biden

I don't think thats a thing he said.


ok, so the four anti-vaxxers in our west coast facility all got sick at the same time and crippled their warehouse. It's not a large operation and they have been struggling for the last two weeks to keep the business going while half their shipping crew is out.

Two are still too sick to work, one should be back tomorrow and one is in ICU. His wife and child are in the same hospital on a different floor. The absolute saddest part is that he was in the hospital bed posting anti vax propaganda from his phone right up until he was moved to ICU. Meanwhile, all the right wing media mouth holes that convinced him not to wear a mask, not to get the vaccine are all vaccinated. Their families are all vaccinated. Even King of All Dumbasses, Trump is vaccinated.

In America, many employers offer health insurance as part of compensation. Anyone without health insurance who faces a major medical incident could be in debt the rest of their life. Even with health insurance, you could spend years paying off medical expenses that aren't covered by your policy. When we hire someone who smokes cigarettes, the cost to insure them is much higher. As the cost of insurance is going up, the company has to decide whether to reduce benefits with cheaper policies or make employees pay part of the premium. This guy is consuming thousands of dollars of medical resources a day which is going to impact our already crushing insurance costs. If you think the vaccine is some financial scam, you need to look at how the insurance companies and health care industry have been collaborating to plunder the American economy for decades.

Of course, just like the guy in ICU. The anti vax crowd is going to call me a liar. They will say this family was hospitalized in a motorcycle wreck or they have been hired as 'crisis actors'.

Some people are too god damn stubborn.  They will scream the Titanic is unsinkable, even as they go under.
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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #683 on: September 10, 2021, 03:49:49 PM »
"We want you to live so much that we will make sure you cannot work in order to put a roof over your head or food in your stomach if you do not comply." - Joe Biden

I don't think thats a thing he said.
Yeah, he pretty much did say exactly that.

He also stated, "We are going to protect the vaccinated against the unvaccinated."

LMMFAO.

They can give me the shot of my choice when it comes time.


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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #684 on: September 10, 2021, 04:09:11 PM »

LMMFAO.

They can give me the shot of my choice when it comes time.

Some have suggested that those who refuse to get vaccinated should be refused medical treatment for covid.
At first it seemed like a pretty shitty viewpoint to me but now I'm starting to get it.  Why should we waste hospital beds on people like this?



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« Reply #685 on: September 10, 2021, 05:02:27 PM »

LMMFAO.

They can give me the shot of my choice when it comes time.

Some have suggested that those who refuse to get vaccinated should be refused medical treatment for covid.
At first it seemed like a pretty shitty viewpoint to me but now I'm starting to get it.  Why should we waste hospital beds on people like this?

All other factors being equal, vaccinated patients should get treated before unvaccinated people. That’s just basic triage.
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« Reply #686 on: September 10, 2021, 10:29:03 PM »
"We want you to live so much that we will make sure you cannot work in order to put a roof over your head or food in your stomach if you do not comply." - Joe Biden

I don't think thats a thing he said.
Yeah, he pretty much did say exactly that.

He also stated, "We are going to protect the vaccinated against the unvaccinated."

LMMFAO.

They can give me the shot of my choice when it comes time.
Then you should probably quote what he literally said, not what he "pretty much" said.  Paraphrasing is not your strong suit. 
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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #687 on: September 11, 2021, 06:16:59 AM »
All other factors being equal, vaccinated patients should get treated before unvaccinated people. That’s just basic triage.
Don’t your prioritise the people who are more ill (unless they have no chance of survival)? In which case shouldn’t it be the opposite?

I think people should get vaccinated but I’m finding this “two tier society” which is being created unsettling. I don’t think that is part of some “government plot”. People can, after all, choose to get vaccinated. But I don’t like the idea of those who choose not to being treated like second class citizens who can’t get certain jobs or travel or go to certain venues
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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #688 on: September 11, 2021, 07:11:26 AM »
But I don’t like the idea of those who choose not to being treated like second class citizens who can’t get certain jobs or travel or go to certain venues

This absurd dystopia is really seperating the empathatic/human from the callous/sociopath.  It is a test of principles that most are failing, willingly and with righteous indignation.

Lo and behold, could it be?

AATW is one of the good ones!

I had a hunch :)

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #689 on: September 11, 2021, 09:09:05 AM »
I think people should get vaccinated but I’m finding this “two tier society” which is being created unsettling. I don’t think that is part of some “government plot”. People can, after all, choose to get vaccinated. But I don’t like the idea of those who choose not to being treated like second class citizens who can’t get certain jobs or travel or go to certain venues
If you show up to a job interview with offensive body odour, you will probably not be hired, yet nobody is campaigning for their right not to wear deodorant. Smelling like a hobo, though unpleasant, is far less of a hazard to others than not getting vaccinated.
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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #690 on: September 11, 2021, 09:52:19 AM »
All other factors being equal, vaccinated patients should get treated before unvaccinated people. That’s just basic triage.
Don’t your prioritise the people who are more ill (unless they have no chance of survival)? In which case shouldn’t it be the opposite?

So the important part is that I said “all other factors being equal”. Triaging isn’t just about treating who is the sickest, it’s also about what resources will provide the most benefit. This only applies to the most dire cases though.


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I think people should get vaccinated but I’m finding this “two tier society” which is being created unsettling. I don’t think that is part of some “government plot”. People can, after all, choose to get vaccinated. But I don’t like the idea of those who choose not to being treated like second class citizens who can’t get certain jobs or travel or go to certain venues

If people wish to continue to make the choice to be a public health risk in the face of a safe, free and accessible solution, then it seems to be perfectly reasonable.

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #691 on: September 11, 2021, 09:55:06 AM »
But I don’t like the idea of those who choose not to being treated like second class citizens who can’t get certain jobs or travel or go to certain venues

This absurd dystopia is really seperating the empathatic/human from the callous/sociopath.  It is a test of principles that most are failing, willingly and with righteous indignation.

Lo and behold, could it be?

AATW is one of the good ones!

I had a hunch :)

It’s some serious doublethink to call people who are emphasizing a public health initiative sociopaths and the ones making a selfish choice empathetic.
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« Reply #692 on: September 11, 2021, 10:17:22 AM »
It’s some serious doublethink to call people who are emphasizing a public health initiative sociopaths and the ones making a selfish choice empathetic.
Meh, you could reverse that argument by calling one group in favour of individual rights and freedoms, and the other group as clamping down on those freedoms. Mandatory/forced medical treatment has never been popular, and probably never will be.
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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #693 on: September 11, 2021, 12:08:38 PM »
I think people should get vaccinated but I’m finding this “two tier society” which is being created unsettling. I don’t think that is part of some “government plot”. People can, after all, choose to get vaccinated. But I don’t like the idea of those who choose not to being treated like second class citizens who can’t get certain jobs or travel or go to certain venues

I think that globally, we are seeing a second tier of nations that don't have access to vaccine resources versus nations that have plenty of vaccine.

In America, this 'tiering' is being promulgated politically. The right wing is driving the anti-vax/anti-mask movement because it helps their cause (holding power.) These Republicans screaming about wearing a mask are all vaccinated, their families are vaccinated and if they get sick, they have access to the finest health care in the country. Do you really think that the governor of Texas would let his children romp and play with a contagious person not wearing a mask. The Republicans know that by creating antivaxxers, they are actually creating 'antiDemocrats.' The Republican sales pitch is that they are protecting our liberties from the terrifying homosexual, liberal, socialists. They don't care about the people they brainwashed ending up in the ICU. These antivaxxers think that the general public is being manipulated by some government/media cabal but the joke's on them.

There is one, straightforward question we all have to ask ourselves.
How bad would a public health crisis have to be before we mandate public measures to curtail its spread?
Whenever I ask an antimasker, a conservative or conspiracy theorist this question, all I ever get is a lot of hot air about personal liberty, the rise of socialism and a lot of bullshit but no answer. I have yet to hear a Republican politician take a stand with a real answer.

I have asked lot of people this question and posted it on forums. The only actual answer I've ever gotten came from Thork, whose benchmark would be a global mortality percentage (millions of dead people.) If a politician is going to ask for my vote, my support, they will answer this straight forward question in a straight forward way or they can go fuck themselves.
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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #694 on: September 11, 2021, 12:55:41 PM »
It’s some serious doublethink to call people who are emphasizing a public health initiative sociopaths and the ones making a selfish choice empathetic.
Meh, you could reverse that argument by calling one group in favour of individual rights and freedoms, and the other group as clamping down on those freedoms. Mandatory/forced medical treatment has never been popular, and probably never will be.

I get that but sociopathic is a hilariously inept adjective to apply. Vaccines are already mandatory in a number of realms and Id bet 90% of the vaccine hesitant are vaccinated against measles, mumps, rubella, polio, tetanus, et. al. The hesitancy seems a perfect case study in human’s being closer to cavemen than we are comfortable with; a fight or flight playing out across an entire civilization.
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« Reply #695 on: September 11, 2021, 01:35:09 PM »
"We want you to live so much that we will make sure you cannot work in order to put a roof over your head or food in your stomach if you do not comply." - Joe Biden

I don't think thats a thing he said.
Yeah, he pretty much did say exactly that.

He also stated, "We are going to protect the vaccinated against the unvaccinated."

LMMFAO.

They can give me the shot of my choice when it comes time.
Then you should probably quote what he literally said, not what he "pretty much" said.  Paraphrasing is not your strong suit.
I know what he literally stated. I know the logical conclusion of not being able to work if your not vaccinated.

Ergo, I am right and you, as usual, are wrong.

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« Reply #696 on: September 11, 2021, 03:22:18 PM »
"We want you to live so much that we will make sure you cannot work in order to put a roof over your head or food in your stomach if you do not comply." - Joe Biden

I don't think thats a thing he said.
Yeah, he pretty much did say exactly that.

He also stated, "We are going to protect the vaccinated against the unvaccinated."

LMMFAO.

They can give me the shot of my choice when it comes time.
Then you should probably quote what he literally said, not what he "pretty much" said.  Paraphrasing is not your strong suit.
I know what he literally stated.
Yet continue to not quote him properly.  Much like Trump and his "huge evidence" of election fraud, I suspect you are lying and don't actually know what he said.  But please, prove me wrong.

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I know the logical conclusion of not being able to work if your not vaccinated.
Same as if you get sick: you don't work.  Or you lie and say you're hung over.  Pretty simple.

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Ergo, I am right and you, as usual, are wrong.

The world will be a much better place when you and people of your ilk are gone.
Considering I didn't say you were wrong, just bad at paraphrasing, I'm curious what I am wrong about.

Also... Why would me and my ilk be gone?  We're the followers.  The sheep.  We're the ones the powers want to keep.  You, however, are a problem for the New World Order.

Unless your ilk are the ones who are poisoning the vaccines to kill everyone else.
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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #697 on: September 11, 2021, 06:25:05 PM »
It's not exactly a mandate. You do have the option to jam a q tip up your nose every week for the rest of time.

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« Reply #698 on: September 13, 2021, 09:37:31 AM »
I think people should get vaccinated but I’m finding this “two tier society” which is being created unsettling. I don’t think that is part of some “government plot”. People can, after all, choose to get vaccinated. But I don’t like the idea of those who choose not to being treated like second class citizens who can’t get certain jobs or travel or go to certain venues
If you show up to a job interview with offensive body odour, you will probably not be hired, yet nobody is campaigning for their right not to wear deodorant.
False equivalence. Someone like that would actually be unpleasant to be around. Someone who hasn't been vaccinated would...well, you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference unless they told you.

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Smelling like a hobo, though unpleasant, is far less of a hazard to others than not getting vaccinated.
How much of a hazard to others are the unvaccinated really? That's hard to quantify, but the way I've always seen it I got vaccinated mostly for pragmatic reasons. I didn't really feel I was at high risk of getting very ill from Covid (although I'm getting towards the age where that risk starts to increase). But I foresaw potential issues if I wasn't vaccinated in terms of travel etc and sure it did feel like the "right" thing to do. But if someone chooses not to be then I see that as mostly putting them at more risk, not me. I'm vaccinated, I've done my bit to try and lessen the chance of getting ill. If other people choose to stay at risk then that's their look out. The unvaccinated in ICU have made their own bed and are literally lying in it. It's more an act of self harm than anything.
They might also be increasing the risk of passing it on to me but...I'm vaccinated, so the chances of that causing me to get seriously ill are greatly diminished.

I've not seen any data which would indicate to me that unvaccinated people are such a big public health risk to others that they should be treated like second class citizens.
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« Reply #699 on: September 13, 2021, 10:14:33 AM »
"We want you to live so much that we will make sure you cannot work in order to put a roof over your head or food in your stomach if you do not comply." - Joe Biden

I don't think thats a thing he said.
Yeah, he pretty much did say exactly that.

He also stated, "We are going to protect the vaccinated against the unvaccinated."

LMMFAO.

They can give me the shot of my choice when it comes time.
Then you should probably quote what he literally said, not what he "pretty much" said.  Paraphrasing is not your strong suit.
I know what he literally stated.
Yet continue to not quote him properly.  Much like Trump and his "huge evidence" of election fraud, I suspect you are lying and don't actually know what he said.  But please, prove me wrong.
I don't need to quote exactly what he stated.

The essence of what he stated is this. You comply with these directives or you do not work.
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I know the logical conclusion of not being able to work if your not vaccinated.
Same as if you get sick: you don't work.  Or you lie and say you're hung over.  Pretty simple.

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Ergo, I am right and you, as usual, are wrong.

The world will be a much better place when you and people of your ilk are gone.
Considering I didn't say you were wrong, just bad at paraphrasing, I'm curious what I am wrong about.
Most everything in your life.
Also... Why would me and my ilk be gone?  We're the followers.  The sheep.  We're the ones the powers want to keep.  You, however, are a problem for the New World Order.

Unless your ilk are the ones who are poisoning the vaccines to kill everyone else.
Yes, you would love for everyone to believe you are a sheep.