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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Azimuth angles?
« on: December 02, 2021, 09:16:00 PM »
No expert in this arena, but go to Suncalc.org.  Look at any location and set the time for sunrise/sunset and you'll see the actual azimuth.

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Technology & Information / Re: Cars
« on: December 01, 2021, 06:18:28 PM »
Not that anyone cares but:

2014 MINI Cooper S Roadster.  Blast to drive.  Told my wife I'd be buried in it.  That is unless I somehow become able to afford a Porsche 911 Turbo S Cabriolet.

Even though I can ride top down as long as it's not raining, I prefer the over 40F weather when I can swap to the 2014 Heritage Softail Classic.

I guess the , non-911, dream car would be a vintage Shelby Cobra.  Have loved that car ever since watching The Gumball Rally as a kid.

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Actually, I said nothing about lying. The problem is that you have no real world data.

Funny.  I see no real world data from you either.  Interestingly, you believe enough of the 'non real world data' that you felt it necessary to put a curved longitude model in the WIKI to attempt to address the fact that the sun rises at the same time continuously along each longitude line on the equinox.  Why would you feel compelled to do that if there wasn't any data to support that fact?

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Who observed this? So far you have been unable to cite a single observation and keep referring to an online calculator which also does not cite any observations.

Lol "Everyone is Wrong and LiEeInG"
That is a desperate argument from a losing position. An argument from a position of strength would have positive evidence for that position.

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No, I prefer a bi-polar model and don't think the sunlight necessarily takes those shapes. That type of behavior is the general argument for the Monopole model though.

The bi-polar model has the same issue with not agreeing with how solar noon is observed as the curved longitude model.  On the bi-polar model, the sun is not at it's closest distance to each location on a given longitude line.  Thus, solar noon would not be seen at the same time at all locations along a given longitude line the way it is observed to.

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Incorrect. I didn't say that anyone is lying here. I said that the observations showing this are absent, and so therefore your argument is as well.

Where's your proof that Suncalc.org is false.  You know. You're own actual observations and data that show something different?  That's the point of your own post.  You've supplied no actual data, because you can't, that what is given on Suncalc doesn't match observations.  You simply say, "Suncalc is wrong."  It's a tired argument that no longer has merit.

And you'll continue to not address the issue of the lines of longitude curving the wrong way at sunset.

As far as I can tell sites like suncalc are not a collection of observations, and isn't claimed as such. Certainly, it would take a worldwide effort of observations and there is no record of such an effort. In fact, we once emailed timeanddate on the source of their information and they claimed it was proprietary.

Form my own experience, using the live dynamic phone sun locator apps have always been off.

So you don't have any actual observations to refute Suncalc.  So, in your own words, your argument is "a desperate argument from a losing position."

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Incorrect. I didn't say that anyone is lying here. I said that the observations showing this are absent, and so therefore your argument is as well.

Where's your proof that Suncalc.org is false.  You know. You're own actual observations and data that show something different?  That's the point of your own post.  You've supplied no actual data, because you can't, that what is given on Suncalc doesn't match observations.  You simply say, "Suncalc is wrong."  It's a tired argument that no longer has merit.

And you'll continue to not address the issue of the lines of longitude curving the wrong way at sunset.

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Actually the discrepancies you are attempting to point out with a circle are fallacious, as you have neglected to provide any real world observations of anything at all.

Lol "Everyone is Wrong and LiEeInG"
That is a desperate argument from a losing position. An argument from a position of strength would have positive evidence for that position.

Enter 0 longitude in Suncalc.org and then vary the lattitude.  You'll see that culmination time is the same for all latitudes.

Further, you need to think about your arguments more.The direction of North to the observer wouldn't change if the latitude lines were curved. The North Star is still over the North Pole and traveling Eastwards or Westwards in relation to the North Star would take you in a circle. Likewise, if you travel East ot West in relation to the magnetic field lines which eminate from the North you would make a similar circle on that map, as East and West on a compass are at a right angle to North. The direction of North and the makeup of the latitude lines have nothing to do with each other.

My argument's just fine.


The point is not "Where's north?"  The point is that with the sun at any give location, with the exception of directly under it as you travel a curved longitude you are no longer at the closest point to the sun therefore you would not see solar noon at the same time as everyone else on your longitutde.

Someone on 0,0 degrees at the equator is on a point. That point does not suggest where the other points of latitude are or where North is. The makeup of the latitude lines is determined by the time of day and time zones, are points unique to the observer's position, and has nothing to do with North.

You seem to be confusing latitude and longitude.  Latitude has nothing to do with time of day.  Also, Longitude, along with solar noon, has nothing to do with time zones.

And you'll conveniently ignore the fact that the longitude line would have to curve the opposite direction to align with sunset.  Well done.

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Actually the Wiki suggests that this is a better map for the Monopole model in regards to equinox and longitude discussions:



What we witness with solar noon completely makes the curved longitude map impossible.  Every point on a given longitude sees solar noon at the same time.  Solar noon occurs when the sun is at it's closest and the observer looks due south or north depending on hemiplane.  The only way for every latitude on a given longitude to see solar noon at the same time is for the line of longitude to be straight, running directly N-S.  This has nothing to do with time zones.  Solar noon doesn't happen at the same time for every location in a given time zone.  Solar noon is specific for every longitude.

In addition, Tom.  That picture  looks great for how longitudes would line up with a spotlight sunrise, but what happens on the sunset end?  The lines of longitude would need to curve the other direction in order to line up with the spotlight at sunset.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: November 19, 2021, 11:09:28 PM »
I’m not convinced the GOP establishment wants him but I am also not convinced they are willing to do what the Dems did to Bernie.

Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney are two of the few in the GOP with any balls left.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: November 19, 2021, 08:20:47 PM »
Unless the 2024 democratic ticket is devoid of both Biden and Harris it's likely we're in for another 4 years of the Donald.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: 2022 FIFA World Cup
« on: November 17, 2021, 04:58:44 PM »
@AATW we pronounce it rout. Once you add the 'e' the pronunciation changes to route.

Glad I could clear up this confusion

Rout is definitely pronounced "rowt".  Americans will pronounce route both ways.

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It all stems, I suppose, from the fact that the monopole FE map holds north-south distances equal to those on the globe, but allows east-west distances to differ, with the difference becoming progressively more marked as you journey south. Hence the locus of points observing the sun in your example at 45 degrees elevation would not be a circle, despite another aspect of FET requiring it to be just that.

The bi-polar model is a little more difficult to try to examine but still has the same problem.

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You don't need multiple stars to evidence the flaw in FE theory.  You only need one, the sun, and the easiest day to demonstrate the problem, the equinox.

FE theory dictates that everyone at an equal distance from the sun would see the sun appear at the same altitude.  This is true whether you consider bendy light or not.  This means that if you locate the sun above the plane and then draw a circle with the sun as center, everyone at the edge of the circle will view the sun at the same altitude.

Now let's look at the equinox as it is the simplest say to compare what is observed, that zetetic thing, with what should be observed.  If we place the sun at 0 lat, 0 lon. 4 observers placed at 0 lat.-45E, 0 lat.-45W, 45N-0 lon., 45S-0 lon. will each observe the sun at an altitude of 45 degrees.  However, if you place the sun above the plane at 0,0 and draw a circle that touches 45N and 45S you will notice that the circle does not reach 45E and 45W.  On FE, the observers at 45E and 45W should view the sun at an altitude of less than 45 deg.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Cancel culture
« on: October 28, 2021, 08:02:22 PM »
The same side which argues that it was wrong for a cake-making business to discriminate against a gay wedding is siding with a position which discriminates against transgenders. How ironic.

How convenient, though not unexpected, that you choose to ignore this:

It’s not even a trans issue. They just don’t wax penises no matter what your gender is.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: How to explain Midnight sun/No sun?
« on: October 28, 2021, 06:04:19 PM »
How would you sail from Indonesia to Ecuador?

In a boat?

Sticking to the issue of the Bi-polar sun travel explaining the sun at the poles, it would.  However, it can't explain sun at the poles while still being consistent with the angle at which the sun appears away from the poles as the distance from the sun is dramatically different than the distance to the sun in a RE model which matches what is observed.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: How to explain Midnight sun/No sun?
« on: October 17, 2021, 12:58:20 AM »
Isn't there an inherent flaw in all this dome example?  The sun is also inside the dome, no?  So shining a light outside a dome doesn't represent what is actually happening in any way.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 30, 2021, 03:53:17 PM »
Here a the new and latest ways Trump actually won the election:

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 24, 2021, 04:42:33 PM »
The amazingly sad thing in this country is that facts and data are no longer relevant.  Only this.

Or maybe the reporters just lied and published that Joe Biden won the count, but conveniently cut out the part that many of those votes were fraudulent.




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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 24, 2021, 03:14:09 PM »
Any day now.  Evidence of massive voter fraud.  Any day.  The truth will come out. 

#STOPTHESTEAL

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/arizona-audit-results-reveal-donald-trump-lost-to-joe-biden-by-even-bigger-margin/ar-AAOLCft?li=BBnb7Kz

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