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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: December 30, 2023, 04:23:34 PM »
What's willy-nilly about Trump wanting to make all of his legal woes go away as soon as possible?

Considering that his popularity in the polls has been shooting up because of these blatant witch hunts that are not going anywhere, these aren't really woes.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: December 28, 2023, 03:52:02 PM »
Presidents are treated by law enforcement to have criminal immunity until a court rules otherwise:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_immunity_in_the_United_States

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The Supreme Court of the United States found in Nixon v. Fitzgerald (1982) that the president has absolute immunity from civil damages actions regarding conduct within the "outer perimeter" of their duties. However, in Clinton v. Jones (1997), the court ruled against temporary immunity for sitting presidents from suits arising from pre-presidency conduct. Some scholars have suggested an immunity from arrest and criminal prosecution as well, a view which has become the practice of the Department of Justice under a pair of memoranda (1973 and 2000) from the Office of Legal Counsel. Presidents Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton, and Donald Trump were criminally investigated while in office, but none was prosecuted while in office. No court has ever ruled on the matter of criminal immunity.[4]

So if Biden rigged the election, he is immune from prosecution since he did it while in office?

Yes. This is why the investigations into Biden are mainly all pre-presidency. The influence peddling is assuredly still going on, what with Hunter Biden's sudden career shift from lawyer to painter, selling paintings for hundreds of thousands each. However you can tell that this is not the focus of the investigation.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: December 28, 2023, 01:29:57 PM »
Presidents are treated by law enforcement to have criminal immunity until a court rules otherwise:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_immunity_in_the_United_States

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The Supreme Court of the United States found in Nixon v. Fitzgerald (1982) that the president has absolute immunity from civil damages actions regarding conduct within the "outer perimeter" of their duties. However, in Clinton v. Jones (1997), the court ruled against temporary immunity for sitting presidents from suits arising from pre-presidency conduct. Some scholars have suggested an immunity from arrest and criminal prosecution as well, a view which has become the practice of the Department of Justice under a pair of memoranda (1973 and 2000) from the Office of Legal Counsel. Presidents Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton, and Donald Trump were criminally investigated while in office, but none was prosecuted while in office. No court has ever ruled on the matter of criminal immunity.[4]

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Yes, it matters. If this is the first thing that the general population sees about FES then they think it's a parody group akin to the "Man Will Never Fly Memorial Society". People who would be otherwise interested in how people could believe that the earth is flat are deterred from investigating further. It implies that people do not believe this and it is a joke.

Unfortunately humor and a genuine Flat Earth Society doesn't really mix, and this is was Leo Ferarri's problem with his society. I believe that he intended it to be a genuine Flat Earth Society with elements of humor, but he was an intellectual on too high of a philosophical plane for most people to understand. People thought it was purely a parody organization, when it was not. Some time ago I expanded his page a bit and documented that serious vs. satire controversy further - https://wiki.tfes.org/Leo_Ferrari



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I can see from a few web proxies that the Yahoo article is clearly prominent and at the top #1 or #2 spot now. I suspect that the meme is done and will finally disappear from popular memeology. That TFES Wiki article I made that Snopes is citing in their article paid off. You're welcome.


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This is a pleasant surprise. Snopes has debunked the meme that the Flat Earth Society "has members all around the globe".

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/flat-earth-society-facebook/

It uses some pretty good evidence to discredit it, and provides some research of their own as well.

The article is also cross-posted and is ranking as an authoritative source on Yahoo News. Maybe this will help to finally put that meme to bed. At the bottom of the article Snopes also says that they reached out to TFES for comment, although I'm not sure if they reached out to this site or the other one.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: December 16, 2023, 10:14:49 PM »
$99 = 0.044 ETH

https://www.google.com/search?q=eth+in+usd



The Trump cards are trading at the moment at a floor price of 0.1663 ETH (lowest value cards)

https://opensea.io/collection/trump-digital-trading-cards/analytics



Roundy must be talking about that recent rise and drop in December from when the floor price of the cards rose to about $528.22 (0.237 ETH) and then dropped tremendously in value to the shockingly low current price of $370.65  ::)

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: December 16, 2023, 03:26:08 PM »
That despite the original round of NFTs dropping significantly in value. Let's not forget that they are all morons.

So how much of their $99 per card investment have they lost?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: December 09, 2023, 07:29:43 PM »
The questions you replied to are "how can you maintain that this shouldn't be investigated by Congress? Why are you guys crying that this should not be investigated?" Presumably anyone replying to me with an argument must think that this should not be investigated. It's good that you can be honest with yourself and have clarified that you think that this should be investigated.

In regards to evidence produced, there has been plenty.

Hunter Biden is giving a portion of his money to the "Big Guy". Aren't you curious who this person is? Joe Biden's brother referred to Joe Biden as the "Big Guy". Hunter Biden's business partner also says that Joe Biden was the "Big Guy". Why is Joe Biden receiving a portion of the money Hunter is getting for this influence peddling scheme?

We have a Birisma executive admitting to the FBI that they paid Hunter and Joe Biden millions in bribes.

Hunter Biden's business partner admitted that he used Hunter Biden to "get help from D.C." in firing the infamous Ukranian prosecutor that honk really loves -

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/devon-archer-hunter-biden-burisma-execs-ukrainian-prosecutor-fired

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Archer said Zlochevsky and Pozharski "placed constant pressure on Hunter Biden to get help from D.C." in getting Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin ousted. Shokin was investigating Burisma for corruption.

According to the source, Archer testified that in December 2015, Hunter Biden, Zlochevsky and Pozharski "called D.C." to discuss the matter. Archer testified that Biden, Zlochevsky and Pozharski stepped away to make the call.

It is unclear if Hunter and the Burisma executives spoke directly to Joe Biden on the matter.

At the time, though, Joe Biden was in charge of U.S.-Ukraine policy for the Obama administration.

As stated above, Joe Biden was in charge of the US-Ukrainian policy at the time. Joe Biden incidentally also admits that he was instrumental in firing the prosecutor.

So please clarify that nothing has been produced.

Even more wild, it seems to go further than Hunter Biden. Multiple Biden family members were apparently receiving foreign money.

https://nypost.com/2023/05/10/nine-biden-family-members-who-allegedly-got-foreign-money-identified-by-house-gop/

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Nine Biden family members who allegedly got foreign money identified by House GOP

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Joe Biden’s son [Hunter], Joe Biden’s brother [James], Joe Biden’s brother’s wife [Sara], Hunter Biden’s girlfriend or Beau Biden’s widow [Hallie], however, you want to write that, Hunter Biden’s ex-wife [Kathleen Buhle], Hunter Biden’s current wife [Melissa Cohen], and three children of the president’s son and the president’s brother,” Comer said.

The chairman seemed to indicate that only one of Biden’s grandchildren and two of his brother’s children got the foreign funds.

“We’re talking about grandchil — a grandchild,” Comer said at the press conference. “That’s odd, most people that work hard every day’s grandchild doesn’t get a wire from a foreign national.

https://www.swiowanewssource.com/audubon/article_cab0ad73-0d63-5ff5-bcd8-611ebd4372c9.html

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WASHINGTON—House Committee on Oversight and Accountability Chairman James Comer (R-Ky.) today released a bank records memorandum detailing new information obtained in the committee’s investigation into the Biden family’s influence peddling and business schemes. The Oversight Committee has obtained thousands of pages of financial records revealing the Biden family and associates’ complicated network of companies set up during Joe Biden’s vice presidency and the millions the Bidens received from foreign sources. The financial records also reveal how the Bidens used complicated transactions to hide payments from foreign nationals, including CCP-linked associates, and provide clear indications of influence peddling schemes during then-Vice President Biden’s tenure.

“The Bidens intentionally sought to hide, confuse, and conceal their influence peddling schemes, but bank records don’t lie. The Bidens made millions from foreign nationals providing what seems to be no services other than access and influence. From the thousands of records we’ve obtained so far, we know the Biden family set up over a dozen companies when Joe Biden was vice president. The Bidens engaged in many intentionally complicated financial transactions to hide these payments and avoid scrutiny. In at least one instance, the Bidens’ CCP-linked associates took steps to conceal the source of the payment to the Bidens.

“The Bidens’ foreign entanglements are breathtaking and raise serious questions about why foreign actors targeted the Biden family, what they expected in return, and whether our national security is threatened. We will continue to pursue additional bank records to follow the money trail and inform legislative solutions to prevent this type of corruption. Americans deserve answers, transparency, and accountability,” said Chairman Comer.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: December 09, 2023, 05:51:23 AM »
Even under the scenario that Hunter Biden was collecting money under the guise of providing access to political power, but was really scamming the people paying him, how can you maintain that this shouldn't be investigated by Congress? Why are you guys crying that this should not be investigated?

Yo, this is a thread about Joe Biden. If there's evidence that Hunter Biden did something corrupt of course it should be investigated. But without evidence that Joe was involved it's just another scandal involving a President's relative and is definitely not a basis for impeachment. That whole angle is just a clown show, meant to even the playing field a bit (Look, their guy got impeached too!!) and thus far has been demonstrated to be nothing but a desperate fever dream concocted by some truly corrupt politicians.

Hunter Biden was collecting money on the suggestion of providing access to Joe Biden's political power. How is that not about Joe Biden, or warranting of an investigation?

The purpose of an investigation is to investigate things and collect evidence. Your statement of "without evidence that Joe was involved" suggests that you want Congress to investigate this and collect evidence. Oddly, you are simultaneously expressing a desire for an investigation while telling us that they should not investigate this.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Do rockets push off the air?
« on: December 06, 2023, 05:59:56 PM »
They probably move though multiple mechanisms. They propel themselves through inertial mass ejection, and also push off of air when available near the exhaust port yes.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: December 06, 2023, 05:51:05 PM »
Even under the scenario that Hunter Biden was collecting money under the guise of providing access to political power, but was really scamming the people paying him, how can you maintain that this shouldn't be investigated by Congress? Why are you guys crying that this should not be investigated?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: December 05, 2023, 04:41:51 PM »
We appear to be at the point where you guys are claiming that multiple Biden family members were being bribed by foreign country entities to trick Joe Biden into influencing policy decisions, but Joe Biden didn't know about it. ::)

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So far, they might have Hunter Biden on selling his father's position for his own gain.  But they haven't linked anything illegal to Joe Biden.

Ok. So you admit that Hunter Biden was selling access to his father's power (through tricking his father into influencing or doing things). How can you maintain that congress doesn't need to investigate that?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: December 04, 2023, 10:39:30 PM »
They do claim to have evidence for the Biden's pay-for-play schemes - https://oversight.house.gov/landing/biden-family-investigation/
They've had the same claim for what.... 4 years? 
Trump has claimed election fraud for 8.
And democrats claimed Trump had russian influence for 2.

None of them produced any usable evidence so you'll excuse me if I don't trust a press release.

It's not the same four year old claims. They have been posting new evidence and new claims to the link I gave all year. They most recently added something today December 4th -

https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-releases-direct-monthly-payments-to-joe-biden-from-hunter-bidens-business-entity%ef%bf%bc/

"WASHINGTON—Today, House Committee on Oversight and Accountability Chairman James Comer (R-Ky.) released subpoenaed bank records revealing Hunter Biden’s business entity, Owasco PC, made direct monthly payments to Joe Biden. Hunter Biden is currently under an investigation by the Department of Justice for using the Owasco PC corporate account for tax evasion and other serious crimes.

Following subpoenas to obtain Biden family associates’ bank records, Chairman Comer issued subpoenas for Hunter and James Biden’s personal and business bank records. The House Oversight Committee has identified over 20 shell companies and uncovered how the Bidens and their associates raked in over $24 million dollars between 2015 and 2019 by selling Joe Biden as “the brand.” Financial records obtained show Hunter Biden’s business account, Owasco PC, received payments from Chinese-state linked companies and other foreign nationals and companies."

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: December 03, 2023, 10:37:35 PM »
They do claim to have evidence for the Biden's pay-for-play schemes - https://oversight.house.gov/landing/biden-family-investigation/

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: December 01, 2023, 06:57:52 PM »
Well a deposition regarding potentially illegal activity should probably be done in private. If anything illegal was done then the names Hunter Biden has to mention should probably go to law enforcement or the Congressional Sergeant at Arms rather than speak the names in public and tip off a potential criminal who thought that they were safe or that they wouldn't be pointed out, and cause people to destroy records and documents in a mad panic.

Among its powers, the House performs law enforcement functions and has powers to arrest people who defy their orders. If you are called by the House to testify in a private deposition, you should probably do what they say.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: December 01, 2023, 03:22:34 AM »
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/hunter-biden-agrees-testify-house-oversight-committee-rcna126962

So "We need transparency" Republicans really really don't want Hunter Biden's testemony to be public.  Wonder why?

Any insights Tom?

If you ever watch a public congressional testimony a good percentage of the responses to the questions are "I can't mention names in public" or "I can't disclose that in this public setting" and that somehow passes for an answer.

It sounds like they want a private deposition and are also open to a public one at a future date as well.

https://twitter.com/GOPoversight/status/1729511683301716088


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: November 27, 2023, 02:27:54 AM »
There are no numbers or percentages in that link. Do you seriously believe that a 52 year old woman who you pick to rape tomorrow in a department store dressing room will have a low likelihood of screaming to stop or screaming for help?

There may be "many" women in aggregate totality who do not scream when they are raped against their will, but this is not a denial that the great majority of women who are physically attacked and raped do scream. The article is an explanation for why some do not scream, and makes no effort to deny that most do scream.

Again, you guys are arguing for possibility instead of probability, purely as excuse making for the lack of evidence in this case. Because the arguments here are based on making excuses, it substantially weakens the case. It does not strengthen your case to argue based on a series of excuses.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: November 27, 2023, 01:34:22 AM »
You are mainly just claiming things like it is possible that someone doesn't scream when they are raped. This possibility does nothing to erase that red flag.

Yes, it is possible that a woman does not scream in a department store when she is raped against her will. However, it is improbable. If you were to go and rape a woman in a store bathroom tomorrow against her will how likely is it that the woman will scream for help? Very likely, obviously.

The series of explanations presented are pure excuse making, which you are explicitly making to explain away and justify a lack of evidence in this case. You pretend that we should be completely on board with believing a series of improbable excuses.

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