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Flat Earth Community / Re: Intuitive understanding of the world.
« on: June 06, 2023, 05:48:15 PM »
When light bends "down" in relation to the eye and the source, the source appears to bend "up", and vice-versa.

See this diagram with refraction and straws, for instance:

Or sideways, for a better view that the light is bending "down" in relation to the eye.

In EA as a body recedes in distance from an observer, the light curves upwards and causes it the body to appear to descend and drop in altitude, as what occurs with the Sun in the EA Sunset. With greater distance from the observer, a body drops. So it is clear that in EA a celestial line suspended in front of and over an observer would appear as a convex arc across the sky.

Flat Earth Community / Re: Intuitive understanding of the world.
« on: June 06, 2023, 05:03:09 PM »
It’s a trap many beginner flat earthers make, trying to “break” the globe model. More knowledgeable ones know that breaking the globe model is a losing gambit and will end up like tfes (refining the FE model with phenomena such as EA rather than breaking the RE model)

It appears that you didn't bother to look at the content at all. The EA page and associated Moon Tilt pages do show that the RE model is broken.

According to an organization called the Wisconsin Institute for Law & Liberty these are not isolated incidents. Teacher's universities are instructing teachers in their education programs to teach these things to young children:

“There’s a huge amount of liberal indoctrination going on,” the report’s author, Will Flanders, told “Washington Watch” guest host Joseph Backholm on Monday. “We found it across every public university in the state that has an education program.”

Flanders, the research director at the Wisconsin Institute for Law & Liberty, performed a wide-ranging records search across all public universities in Wisconsin that teach education. He and co-author Dylan Palmer asked for the syllabus, assignments, and reading list for education courses—the classes future teachers needed to pass in order to teach in the state’s public schools.

The 44-page report found that many of these courses begin by defining biblical morality as beyond the pale. The “Multicultural Education” course at the University of Wisconsin at Superior forces students to take the “Human Relations Attitude Inventory,” which asks how strongly students agree with such statements as: “Homosexuality is unnatural because it is contrary to human nature”; “We should not notice differences in people’s skin color”; and “Whites are just as likely to be victims of racism as racial minorities”—all of which the course intends for students to reject.

Once the university changes students’ personal morality, it instructs them to begin introducing radical gender theory to children as young as three. At UW-Whitewater, students read a chapter titled “Just Another Gay Day in the Campus Three-Year-Old Room,” which tells students to include LGBTQ “lessons with a three-year-old day care center.”

At UW-Green Bay, would-be pedagogues must read the book “Safe Is Not Enough: Better Schools for LGBTQ Students” by Michael Sadowski, which the report explains “argues that teachers must bring conversation about gender and sexual identity into the classroom, encourage advocacy, and foster the LGBTQ identification of young students.”


“When we’re looking for the origins of the stuff that we are seeing in our classroom today, what we’re learning here is it’s not just teachers organically coming up with this stuff themselves,” explained Flanders. “Instead, it’s the process that’s been going on for years and years throughout their entire education.”


Another look at news articles from the last couple of years seems to show that many schools are on board with an indoctrination agenda.

November 2022 - Maryland school district unveils LGBTQ book list that teaches words 'intersex,' 'drag queen' to pre-K students

May 2022 - North Carolina preschool uses LGBT flashcards depicting a pregnant man to teach kids colors

April 2022 - Washington state, Oregon teach kindergartners 'there are many ways to express gender'

May 2022 - CO mom says middle school invited her daughter to secret LGBTQ club, told students to keep info from parents

May 2022 - School attempts to hide student's gender transition from parents, pushes LGBTQ+ content for middle schoolers

May 2022 - Seven books that show NYC is pushing transgenderism, LGBTQ+ curriculum to kids as young as kindergarten

June 2022 - Oregon school district books contain pornographic imagery of sex acts, according to portal - An Oregon mom pulled her children out of school over what she called 'indoctrination'

August 2022 - School district that removed LGBT books from library hit with civil rights investigation

October 2022 - California Christian Teacher Fired for Refusing to Read LGBT Books to Children

December 2022 - Parents accuse school of secretly indoctrinating 8-year-olds in trans ideology: 'Shocked and horrified' - The school read a children's book to young students that claimed some 3-year-olds can be 'non-binary'

March 2023 - I was a public school teacher and I'm blowing the whistle on transgenderism before its too late - Those who are aware of what's happening in our schools are obligated to blow the whistle

April 2023 - School allows reading of LGBT book to second-graders - Despite state law requiring parental consent

April 2023 - Teacher caught berating kids who object to LGBTQ lesson with severe threat: 'You don't have a choice'

May 2023 - Parents sue Maryland’s largest school district for not letting kids opt out of LGBT book readings

Nope. It's not cherrypicked. It's a growing phenomenon which is seen in mass-market and which schools have been embracing. See what is happening with this curriculum in Canada:

"the Sogi curriculum
started in British Columbia in 2016 and
is quickly spreading throughout Canada"

On the Sogi site it clams to be present in some capacity in 60 of 60 school districts in Canada

Canada has 60 school districts - - "This is a list of school districts in British Columbia. British Columbia in Canada is divided into 60 school districts which administer publicly funded education until the end of grade 12 in local areas or, in the case of francophone education, across the province."

The Sogi site in the above link claims to have 2500+ "Sogi leads", presumably administrators or educators in various schools in Canada who have embraced the curriculum.

With this kind of network there are clearly tens of thousands of children in Canada being affected by this one LGBT organization alone.

Canada has about 10,100 elementary schools, for comparison.

Back to the video, it demonstrates that they are using teaching aids such as the 10,000 Dresses children book:

Book description: "Every night, Bailey dreams about magical dresses: dresses made of crystals and rainbows, dresses made of flowers, dresses made of windows. . . . Unfortunately, when Bailey's awake, no one wants to hear about these beautiful dreams. Quite the contrary. "You're a BOY!" Mother and Father tell Bailey. "You shouldn't be thinking about dresses at all." Then Bailey meets Laurel, an older girl who is touched and inspired by Bailey's imagination and courage. In friendship, the two of them begin making dresses together. And Bailey's dreams come true!"

The boy's dreams came true! This is clearly a propaganda book to paint crossdressing in a positive light, taught in a Canadian classroom in a curriculum which is described in the video and on the organization's website itself to have spread all throughout Canada in growing popularity. Many other schools or districts decide on their own to stock these types of books without joining an organized network like this.

The video goes on to describe that children complain about being confused about their gender.

The problem with defending this LGBT propaganda and sexual content is that its defenders assume that the children are as rational as adults. Children are not adults. They are not capable or rational thought or deep introspection. Hypersexualizing children and indoctrinating them with LGBT propaganda clearly affects them. Today children are taught with fun and colorful imagery at a young age that being gay makes you super special, and is a matter of celebration.

This isn't merely education that LGBT people exist. This is clearly propaganda which goes to lengths to paint it as cool, adventurous, joyous, etc. Children's content is replete with smiling people having fun, messages that they should be wowed that someone is gay, wowed at the concept of gayness, with an underlying implication that it's something they should aspire to be too, all before they have a grasp of human sexuality.

If you are queer, you are a hero:

If you are Transgender, you are awesome:

Pinks is a boys color:

Crossdressing is awesome:

"Can Molly find the courage to follow her heart and get her mom to realize just how awesome she'd look in a tux?" (source)

Being LGBT is amazing fun, look how much fun this girl/person is having:

If the goal was to educate children, they would simply be sterilely informed that gay people exist as a textbook matter. What they are doing is promotion, not education.

Yes, it is a mainstream phenomena. There is a mainstream phenomena which has built up and has resulted in 20% of Gen Z claiming to be LGBTQ.

Here is another source with similar figures: Poll: Nearly 20% of Gen Z say they identify as LGBTQ - "When Gallup broke down the results to other age groups, the rate of LGBTQ identification was 11.2% among millennials and 3.3% or less among older generations."

Dual1ty believes that it's unimportant, and Dr Van Nostrand believes that other schools have (or had) agendas too, while AllAroundTheWorld believes that there is no agenda when a teacher teaches anal stimulation tactics to children as long as they are not saying that it's preferable to heterosexual sex acts.

The only person here trying to claim that there is no LGBT agenda here is AllAroundTheWorld, who believes that the teaching of sex techniques is new to to the school system, but these explicit lessons on anal stimulation is coincidental and has nothing to do with the recent rash of LGBT inclusion and mandates.

Obviously he is wrong and it is all related to the apparent LGBT agenda that is going around.

This phenomena is not unique only to the American school system, however. LGBT indoctrination and hyper-sexualization of children appears to be part of a wider push by the United Nations and is a phenomena manifesting in schools in Europe and worldwide. Lists of articles similar to what I collected a few posts above could be collected for other countries. The United Nations is leading the way and supports the hyper-sexualization of children and early introduction to the homosexual lifestyle:


This page features a number of items and screenshots from documentation in which the UN seems oddly obsessed with having little children masturbating and forming sexual relationships, with an early introduction to LGBT relationships. In the past the people on this forum have defended the hyper-sexualization of children, with AllAroundTheWorld screaming the equivalent of "they HAVE to learn". I am almost certain he would make a similar argument in this case as his form of defense.

Children are not going to take that information and sit on it until they are adults. This is what happens when you hypersexualize children, from the above page:

Former president Abraham Lincoln was not given lessons on homosexual anal play in his American school system. American Jazz musician Louis Armstrong was not taught how to stimulate prostates. And nor was Jurassic Park writer Michael Crichton taught the ins and outs of LGBT sex acts as part of his curriculum.

The question in the OP was whether a LGBT agenda was being promoted, not whether you agree with it. The teaching of homosexual sex techniques is a new phenomenon the American school system, and is further evidence with all of the other items of a LGBT agenda. Whether you agree with anal stimulation techniques being taught in school is irrelevant to that.

There sure seems to be an agenda here to me -

October 6, 2017 - New Law Being Used to Spread LGBT Gender Identity Ideology into CA Public Schools

Apr 19, 2018 - California school district says parents can’t pull kids from new LGBT sex ed -
The approved materials teach kids about using fruit as 'sex toys.'

May 3, 2018 - Mandatory LGBT History Lessons for Schoolchildren Approved by Illinois Senate

October 31, 2019 - Texas School District mandates transgender education for 8-year-olds

Jul 22, 2019 - Oregon mandates K–12 LGBT identity curricula in civics, geography - Public school children will be exposed to content regarding sexuality in all courses dealing with civics, economics, geography, government, and history.

11 Aug 2019 - Illinois Governor Mandates LGBT History Curriculum for Public Schools

February 9, 2020 - Mandated LGBT Indoctrination at School Begins in N.J.

January 21, 2021 - Biden executive order says schools should include transgender athletes in girls' sports -
The order was released on the first day of his presidency

September 2, 2021 - 20 States Sue Biden Over Transgender Mandate in Schools Allowing Biological Boys to Compete Against Girls

September 23, 2021 - Sex-ed curriculum used in Richfield schools asks students to role play gay sex scenarios

Mar 22, 2022 - Austin elementary school holds Pride parade, instructs students not to reveal what is said in 'community circles'

May 25, 2022 - Federalist - Biden Admin: K-12 Schools Must Put Boys In Girls’ Bathrooms To Get Federal Lunch Money

May 30, 2022 - New Biden administration rule will tie federal education funding to LGBT mandates

Jun. 18, 2022 - Fairfax County, Virginia Schools Now Mandating How Transgender Students Must Be Referred To

Jun 28, 2022 - Biden's Executive Order Mandates LGBT In Schools

July 2022 - Elementary School Being Built With Complete Genderless Bathrooms

July 17 2022 - Judge blocks Biden admin's transgender school bathroom rule

September 8, 2022 - Lawmakers ask Biden to rescind policy tying school funding to LGBT mandates

October 6, 2022 - Biden administration demands Alabama embrace genderless schools or else

Dec 12, 2022 - Chicago Public Schools Announces That It Will Be Moving To Genderless Bathrooms

May 30, 2023 - California Teacher Secretly Recorded Teaching Explicit Gay Sex Techniques And Sex Toy Recommendations To School Kids w/o Parental Knowledge. Video Enclosed

Flat Earth Media / Re: New Photos of Moon suggest Flat Earth?
« on: June 02, 2023, 11:45:55 AM »
Quote from: AllAroundTheWorld
3 VFX artists

Most of your kindergarten proofs are not worth replying to. You are going to need better evidence than "artists" with no known credentials who claim that it was impossible for NASA to fake the moon landings.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 26, 2023, 07:16:10 PM »
It's like no one here paid attention at all. Trump was the best thing to happen in politics.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Ether vs. Rocketship Earth
« on: May 19, 2023, 08:27:13 PM »
Tom I would like to thank you for the article, it's most interesting as an introduction to the development of Einstein's thinking. However, I must ask if you've read it through yourself? You claim Newtonian gravitational theory has been "discredited as incoherent", but that same article clearly says "...Newton's theory works extraordinarily well for the weak, static gravitational fields of our solar system. I'm still not sure what your difficulty with the equivalence principle is: that inertial and gravitational mass are equivalent is a great mystery?? There are still mysteries that scientific enquiry hasn't solved...

You and SteelyBob are arguing on basis of "Newtonian Gravity works for X". The issue is not whether Newtonian Gravity works (putting aside that neither it or GR works for the Three Body Problem). The issue is whether it is a coherent theory with ad-hoc mechanisms to make it work. The article clearly relates that there are forced mechanisms to make it work, and that it would otherwise make drastically wrong predictions.

The question of whether Newtonian Gravity can work to build bridges is immaterial to the ad-hoc mechanisms in it which allow it to work. It was discredited on basis of the ad-hoc mechanisms.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Ether vs. Rocketship Earth
« on: May 19, 2023, 05:00:21 PM »
Quote from: SteelyBob
This is simply incorrect - much like the slinky video people, you are publicly demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of basic physics. There is nothing in Newtonian understandings of gravity or F=MA etc that is at odds with what we observe in freefall, for example.

The above quotes provided by the astrophysicist at and by show the problem with the effect that causes weightlessness - the separation of inertial and gravitational mass and their equivalence. Newtonian Gravity was rejected as incoherent because of this.

After describing the issues with Newtonian Gravity the article goes on to describe Einstein's "Happiest Thought" that a man would not experience his weight in freefall as a sticking point. Einstein also repeated this thought as his basis for his theories and principle on numerous occasions. If this were cleanly explained in Newtonian Gravity and was of no relevance, why would segway to this curiosity of Einstein? Obviously this does matter and the issue here is a matter of understanding and reading comprehension on your part.

You have cited nothing. On this forum you continuously post and cite only yourself as your source.

Quote from: SteelyBob
You also describe Newtonian gravity as being 'discredited'. That is very unfair on poor old Isaac. His theory has been built on, but it remains an entirely valid model for most of what goes on in our lives - bridges, aircraft, boats, rockets etc are all built using Newtonian physics and ideas of gravity - it works.

Actually those things use Newtonian gravity + the absurd mechanisms like the separation of inertial and gravitational masses that require it to work. It was on basis of this ad-hoc mechanism that the theory was discredited. The theory does not work without those mechanisms and would otherwise make blatantly wrong predictions, as explained by the above article.

A theory that works is a different matter than it being discredited as an incoherent theory. You have a low comprehension of this and are using circular reasoning to justify something that has been discredited.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Ether vs. Rocketship Earth
« on: May 19, 2023, 11:48:07 AM »
The depths of your misunderstanding of very basic Newtonian physics is so profound that I think it's probably best if you work on that before you dip your toes in the wonderful world of relativity, as you have in some of your other posts here.

The sensation, or state, of weightlessness occurs when there is no force acting between the component parts of a body. For a human, we 'feel' weightless when there is no tension or compression in our body - witness the floating hair of the girl in your vomit comet photo. This can either be because there is no force acting on us at all - a pretty much impossible situation - or because all of the particles that we are made of are accelerating at the same rate due to some external force. If we accelerate due to some external influence, like going up in a lift, we feel the acceleration because the lift only applies a force to our feet. Our feet have to accelerate our ankles, our ankles push up through our legs, hips, etc - there is compression in our bodies due to this transmitted force. But if we fall due to gravity, we feel weightless because all of the particles in our bodies experience a force proportionate to their mass, meaning there is no tension or compression.

You can see this in your balloon diagram.

At rest, a balloon filled with water will sag down, as the elastic material stretches to counter the weight of the contents. In freefall, the water and the balloon are all being acted on by gravity in proportion to their respective masses, so the tension in the balloon returns it to a natural sphere.

There's nothing in any of this that contradicts the equivalence principle, or that falsifies our typical, newtonian understanding of gravity.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Newtonian Gravity does not work as a coherent physical theory and has been long discredited. The weightlessness and simultaneous falling of between bodies of different masses in Newtonian theory does not work without absurd mechanisms.

See this article by astrophysicist Paul Sutter:

Einstein's first insight into the nature of gravity was to put a new twist on an old idea. In Isaac Newton's original mathematical description of gravity ("OG"?), there's an odd coincidence when it comes to the concept of "mass." In one famous equation, F = ma, mass is your inertia — how much oomph it takes to shove you along. In Newton's other equation on gravity, mass is more like gravitational charge — the level of attraction you might feel toward the Earth, for example.

Objects with twice the mass feel twice the attraction toward the Earth, and should therefore fall twice as quickly. But years back, Galileo Galilei had conclusively shown that they don't: Neglecting air resistance, all objects fall at the same rate regardless of their mass.

Thus for Newton's theory to work, inertial mass had to be the same as gravitational mass, but only by sheer coincidence: there was no reason for this equality to hold.
For an object with twice the mass, the Earth may pull on it twice as strongly, but this is perfectly canceled out by the fact that it's now twice as hard to get the object moving. Inertial and gravitational masses move in perfect lockstep.

This odd correspondence had long been a puzzle in gravitational circles, but in 1907, Einstein took it one step further. The physicist imagined what would happen if you were to fall from a great height. Again neglecting air resistance, your inertial and gravitational masses would cancel, making you feel perfectly weightless, as if there were no gravity at all. But zero-gravity environments are precisely the playground of Special Relativity, the theory he had cooked up just a couple years prior that wove our conceptions of space and time into the unified fabric of spacetime.

To Einstein, this was a major clue. Lurking in the shadows of gravity was his precious special relativity and the essential concept of space-time, and what made that realization possible was the elevation of the equivalence between inertial and gravitational masses into a fundamental principle, rather than the awkward afterthought it had been.

Newtonian Gravity requires a separation of inertial and gravitational mass and their equivalence to work. This is an ad-hoc mechanism to explain physical phenomena. As written by the astrophysicist above, under a plain interpretation of how Newtonian Gravity pulls on objects, the body with twice the mass should fall faster.

In RE Theory's Newtonian Gravity the equivalence of inertial and gravitational mass is also what causes freefall weightlessness. This is the explanation for why astronauts are weightless in Round Earth Theory's Newtonian Gravity:

It was while pondering this problem that Einstein hit upon what he later described as "the happiest thought of my life." If began when he suddenly saw new significance in a commonplace of Newtonian gravity. A body in free fall in Newtonian gravity does not feel its own weight. This effect is very familiar to us now. We have all watched space-walkers floating weightlessly outside their capsules. They are in free fall above the earth, orbiting with their space stations, and that free fall cancels their weight.

This effect came about from an apparently accidental agreement of two quantities in Newtonian theory: the inertial mass of a body happens to equal its gravitational mass exactly. Einstein now believed that this equality could be no accident. He needed to find a gravitation theory in which this equality is a necessity.

See this slide from Introduction to Cosmology by the 4th Cosmology School at Cracow, Poland:

Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Ether vs. Rocketship Earth
« on: May 17, 2023, 04:43:20 AM »
The screw wouldn't be weightless. Imagine that it's a metal toothpick instead of a screw, that is being attracted towards to a large flat magnet. If the toothpick is 'falling' horizontally in relation to the surface of the magnet then each half of the toothpick is attracted with equal intensity towards the magnet. If the toothpick were weightless then it would be able wander around into different positions as it falls, and could even rotate into a diagonal or vertical position.

And if for some reason you think that the vertical position is most ideal for a metal body that is attracted a magnet, perhaps with the magnetic properties more concentrated when falling as a spear, then you still have the same problem and the metal body is still not actually weightless and able to rotate into any position.

It is obvious that falling metallic bodies wouldn't experience weightlessness when attracted towards a magnet.  By extension, weightlessness would not occur with any pulling phenomenon.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Ether vs. Rocketship Earth
« on: May 16, 2023, 09:43:50 PM »
I don't know what the ether gravity theory is, but it would need to answer for the Equivalence Principle experiments like everything else. Any gravity theory where things are physically pushed or pulled downwards towards the earth does not work. Things would not be weightless in free fall.

Say you have a large heavy magnet and a tiny screw. If you hold the screw at some point near the magnet the screw flies out of your hand towards the magnet. While the screw is flying towards the magnet is it weightless as it is 'falling' towards the magnet?

No. If you were to momentarily pull it back in the opposite direction at the half way point you would feel resistance as the atoms of the screw attempts to accelerate towards the magnet. The magnetic atoms of the screw are not weightless in-flight. If there were metallic flexible hairs dangling from the screw it could not experience weightlessness float weightlessly 'up' and 'down' in relation to the screw's descent without resistance. If the screw was a magnetic metallic container containing a magnetic metallic liquid, and if the atoms were being pulled towards the magnet equally, then the liquid would not become weightless globs which can easily float in any direction while the container was accelerating towards the magnet.

A theory where something is pulling does not work. The only physical gravity theory which works is a scenario where the earth is accelerating upwards. Otherwise you would need something meta-physical with illusions in unseen dimensions to create the upward accelerating earth effect like the Round Earth explanation.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 15, 2023, 10:43:14 AM »
We're not talking about sentences, either.

Being ordered to pay an amount of money is a sentence. Look at a legal dictionary. The term sentence is only more often used in reference criminal matters.

Tom, you really should read up on the many differences between criminal law and civil law.  Trump was involved in a civil trial.  Citing criminal law doesn't do anything to strengthen your case.
Civil law and criminal law are two broad and separate entities of law with separate sets of laws and punishments.

This is clearly how appeals courts operate, civil or criminal. If you did doubt it and thought that there were different rules in your favor then it would easily searchable and you wouldn't have to speculate that there are separate civil appeals rules that don't look at substantial evidence. You have no evidence at all that civil appeals don't have substantial evidence review.

See this document on Civil Appeals in California:

Starting Your Civil Appeal


The appellate court may only decide if there were errors of law serious enough to prevent a party from having a fair trial, or if there was insufficient evidence at trial to support the lower court’s decision. If the trial judge properly applied the laws, and the decision was supported by substantial evidence, the appellate court will not overturn the trial court’s decision.


Substantial evidence. When reviewing factual findings, the appellate court will determine if there
was sufficient evidence to support the lower court’s findings. In these types of review, the appellate
court will generally defer to the lower court’s factual conclusions, because the trial judge or jury is in a
better position to observe the witnesses and evidence, and assess their credibility. The appellate
review will generally be limited to whether or not the facts, as determined by the lower court,
constitute sufficient evidence to support the judgment or ruling.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 14, 2023, 10:11:00 PM »
We're not talking about sentences, either.

Being ordered to pay an amount of money is a sentence. Look at a legal dictionary. Its the second definition here. The term sentence is only more often used in reference to criminal matters.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 14, 2023, 09:05:47 PM »
There are several ways it can be dismissed. It can be dismissed based on sufficiency of the evidence:

Grounds for Appealing a Conviction in New York — A Top NY Appeals Lawyer Explains

"- Sufficiency of the evidence. To support a conviction for an offense, legally sufficient evidence must exist. A determination of the sufficiency of the evidence is not a reweighing of the evidence or the factual determinations of the jury. An appeal based on the sufficiency of the evidence must demonstrate that the evidence introduced at trial did not establish all the elements of the offense for which the defendant was convicted."

"While most states will not consider issues of fact on appeal, the intermediate Appellate Divisions of the state courts have the constitutional authority to consider the “weight” of the evidence. This means that the Appellate Division may examine the record and sit as a second jury, make determinations on issues of fact, and dismiss one or more counts in an indictment."

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