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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: August 31, 2024, 11:30:40 PM »

Returning to the previous topics:

> Smiling and giving a thumbs up at cemeteries is bad

According to who, exactly? Many people on their death beds repeatedly tell their families that they don't want them to be sad. The family who took the picture with Trump also did not complain about it and highly praised Trump for his involvement.

> Trump used his own photographer

Photography is not prohibited at Arlington

> Someone pushed someone

Considering that no police were called and this is not going to be investigated by a court of law, it's unclear who was in the wrong. I don't see evidence that Trump's associates were wrong.

> Filming or photographing will not be permitted if it conveys the impression that cemetery officials or any visitor or family member is endorsing any product, service or organization," an official media policy memo reads.

I didn't see any Vote for Trump signs

> It continues, "Additionally, ANC will not authorize any filming for partisan, political or fundraising purposes," citing the Hatch Act, which governs how federal employees can weigh in on political activities.

Trump is not a federal employee, irrelevant from the start.

> The memo specifically cites 32 CFR 553, which states, among other guidelines, that "Memorial services and ceremonies at Army National Military Cemeteries will not include partisan political activities."

The memorial service did not include partisan political activities. Again, the media confuses what occurred at the memorial service with what Trump posted about it afterwards.

In order:

Society.
It is for political ads.
There is a report.  Which was filed.  Which is how we know.
Trump is a walking 'vote for trump' sign.
He is a political candidate and currently being paid by the federal government as an ex president. 
Filming for the purpose of making a political Ad does fall into that category.  And if you think he had his own film crew there and didn't plan to make an ad... You'll behave exactly as I've come to expect.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: August 31, 2024, 08:19:55 PM »

https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-first-interview-ratings-compared-donald-trump-1946932

This must be driving the orange doofus nuts. LOL

Everyone likes to gawk at various types of accidents, such as interstate pileups and train wrecks. People are willing to sit around for hours at events like these. Sometimes they contact others telling them to come and look.

Yeah but when ya see an accident enough times, its just boring.  Which is why Trump is losing viewers.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes

« on: August 31, 2024, 05:59:47 AM »

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: August 31, 2024, 05:58:24 AM »

Odd that he'd make a whole video for his campaign about it if it wasn't a PR stunt.  Especially since he skipped the last two years...

Odd the family asked for photos and video and odd he skipped because he wasn't invited there the last two years?

LMMFAO!

That IS odd.  Maybe you should verify that.  From someone not Trump.

A rally is not required, only that the grounds be used for political reasons.

Then the problem is clearly with this interpretation. According to this interpretation if a reporter writes an article saying that a pro-war politician hypocritically visited the military cemetery, then that reporter used the cemetery grounds for political purposes and should be fined/arrested.

How many politicians have pictures of themselves laying a wreath at Arlington National Cemetery? Can we just assume that it is many politicians, or do we need a collage of demonstrative photos? It could be argued that any sharing of a picture or video of a politician at Arlington is used for political reasons, as it would imply a moral or patriotic message about that politician.

Even in your own wording we find a concession that the interpretation is wrong. You are saying that the grounds cannot be used for political reasons. The grounds were used for non-political reasons at the time of the event. The photos of a non-political event were then distributed for political reasons. Talking about or looking at photos or video of an event is not a continuation of an event that is done and over, and nor is it use of the grounds, and can therefore be freely politicized.

Use of the grounds has a specific meaning. For example, if you are talking about a picture of a public park it is not use of the grounds.

You can obviously write an article about politicians visiting the cemetery with your own political slant, and you can also obviously share and talk about photos or videos of politicians visiting the cemetery with your political slant. This right extends to the politicians talking about their own visit as well. Arguing that you can talk about it with your political slant but Trump can't would clearly be a terrible argument.

Trump grinning and flashing a thumbs-up in that picture - beyond being incredibly tacky and inappropriate

In one post you are wishing that Trump had been shot in the head and assassinated, and in another post you are a colonial era puritan who says it is inappropriate to smile or display positive gestures at cemeteries. So we can stop reading your larp with any seriousness right there.

Filming or photographing will not be permitted if it conveys the impression that cemetery officials or any visitor or family member is endorsing any product, service or organization," an official media policy memo reads.
It continues, "Additionally, ANC will not authorize any filming for partisan, political or fundraising purposes," citing the Hatch Act, which governs how federal employees can weigh in on political activities.
The memo specifically cites 32 CFR 553, which states, among other guidelines, that "Memorial services and ceremonies at Army National Military Cemeteries will not include partisan political activities."

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/29/trump-arlington-national-cemetery-rules

So Trump brought his own team to make a non- political appearance and take photos...
Yeah no.  There's no reason for it.
And when officials of the cemetery try to stop you, your response shouldn't be to shove them out of the way and keep going.  But Trump and his team likes to ignore rules they find inconvenient.

Finally:
How out of touch are you?
A thumbs up is generally considered to be positive to the context it was made in.  The context is soldiers, family members, died.  So Trump is thumbs upping dead soldiers in pictures with said soldier's families.


Allow me to speak in your language.

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=16959.msg287829#msg287829

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: August 30, 2024, 08:59:00 PM »

LD: "Getting invited to a wreath-laying ceremony and attending as asked is a political PR stunt!"

Can't make this shit up...

Odd that he'd make a whole video for his campaign about it if it wasn't a PR stunt.  Especially since he skipped the last two years...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: August 30, 2024, 08:09:45 PM »

I just see a picture of Trump smiling with some people.

Did he hold a campaign rally there? No. Courts always hold the standard of substantial evidence of intent, not vague interpretation. There are no signs, memorabilia, there were no speeches, or anything indicative of a campaign event. The event he attended is obviously specifically about the 13 dead people and not about the alive Trump, so it's not a Trump campaign event.

Trump posting it to his social media feed also does not retroactively turn something that was not a campaign even into a campaign event. By that logic Trump could post a picture of himself shaking hands with Muhammad Ali in 1985 and we would have to hold that the 1985 handshake was a Trump campaign event, which is nonsense.

A rally is not required, only that the grounds be used for political reasons.  Which it was.  He did a Political PR stunt.  Then made a political video for his campaign.  It's pretty cut and dry there.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: August 30, 2024, 01:34:59 PM »

Trump is very good at making his supporters think a certain way.  Less good at getting new supporters.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: August 30, 2024, 01:01:08 PM »

Was it paid for by the campaign?

Yeah, it was not a campaign event.

The family in question invited him to the cemetery.

Then he took a photo with the family.

Yes, it was paid for by the campaign.  Or did his PR guy, driver, and whoever else was involved do it for free?  Did they go "Hey Donald, we'll drive you and I'll pay for the gas"?

And was the photos and video posted to his campaign social media?  Yes!

Thus, political campaign event.  Even if its a small one.

And even if it was paid...

https://www.tiktok.com/@realdonaldtrump/video/7407571442088430878?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=mobile&sender_web_id=7408917264529622561

That.  That video?  Illegal.  He made a video for political campaign reasons and posted it on his campaign social media.  Again, illegal.  And the lady who tried to tell him that got assaulted and yelled at. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: August 30, 2024, 06:01:37 AM »

"Thank you, Alex. I'll take, 'Things that did not happen' for 500!

Says who?  Cause Trump's own PR team says it did.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: August 29, 2024, 08:19:03 PM »

It's how you know it's a cult:

They love the military and ignore when Trump insults the military.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: August 29, 2024, 07:29:58 PM »

Trump?  Thumbs upping dead people?  Not shocked.
Nor is the whole violence it.  He's surrounded by rabid, fanatical, stressed supporters.  They want him to succeed but he keeps yelling at them for not doing their job so they have to fight twice as hard to make him happy, which is largely impossible.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: August 25, 2024, 04:57:34 AM »

Would they vote for Trump tho?

Trump has offered him a role in his administration to lead up task forces to fulfill his pet projects on big pharma and JFK disclosure which RFK Jr.'s supporters were voting for him on. If RFK Jr. supports were hooked to Kennedy for those topics, they will obviously now be voting for Trump.

So what you're saying is that RFK's voter base is only interested in the things Trump is promising that RFK will be allowed to investigate.

How shallow.
Also what would you call the first part of the post?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: August 24, 2024, 08:07:41 PM »

your source simply doesn't understand the difference between weighted and unweighted values.

Still waiting for an authority to be cited.

RFK Jr.

Dems are currently in confusion and denial on what this means.

Not only has RFK endorsed Trump, he is actively campaigning for him now and appeared with Trump in a rally. Trump has offered him a role in his administration to lead up task forces to fulfill his pet projects on big pharma and JFK disclosure which RFK Jr.'s supporters were voting for him on. If RFK Jr. supports were hooked to Kennedy for those topics, they will obviously now be voting for Trump.

https://twitter.com/BehizyTweets/status/1827131693326860539

Huh.

So Trump promised RFK a job, power, authority, and money in exchange for his support.

Tom... what's that called again?

CNN has a feeling that this might be bad for Kamala.

https://twitter.com/_johnnymaga/status/1827121488085848444

Would they vote for Trump tho?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: August 22, 2024, 08:05:42 PM »

Who knows?  The polls are terrible indicators lately.

On the flip side: Trump is an asshole.  And with Biden gone, the people repuctant to choose between two old guys can now pick a younger woman with experience.  That gives her an advantage.  Especially since Trump has resorted to nothing but name calling and complaining about crowd sizes.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: X can now fake election tampering evidence

« on: August 18, 2024, 06:41:20 AM »

Its only for premium twitter folk, so it'll bring in the money as people sign up for the $32/year.  Or the $3/month to spam AI photos then not resubscribe.

Yeah, but that won't be profitable in the long run, not without advertisers. Twitter is rapidly approaching bankruptcy and, at least for the time being, the only path to redemption is to get advertisers back on board... which they're actively sabotaging.

Do you ever wonder how the entire internet runs on ads while 99% of us just ignore them?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: X can now fake election tampering evidence

« on: August 17, 2024, 09:43:47 PM »

Tom can and will simultaniously support that AI was used to fabricate something and that AI would never be used to fabricate something.


@Pete:
Its only for premium twitter folk, so it'll bring in the money as people sign up for the $32/year.  Or the $3/month to spam AI photos then not resubscribe.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: X can now fake election tampering evidence

« on: August 17, 2024, 07:19:10 PM »

Hard to complain about something they can't know. Its more it will happen and you, tom, will likely fall for it then write at length how it's not AI generated then delete the post when it's proven wrong.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / X can now fake election tampering evidence

« on: August 16, 2024, 10:02:18 PM »

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/16/nx-s1-5078636/x-twitter-artificial-intelligence-trump-kamala-harris-election

Summary:
X just released an AI chatbot image generator tool.  For no reason.  Right before an election.  Allowing basically anyone to make evidence of vote tampering at any time with 0 talent and then post that shit on Social Media to get people angry.

Trump is gonna love this.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: August 15, 2024, 07:20:28 PM »

Well shit ... YouTube did not like that video of Trump talking about Hillary.  Wonder why....


Also:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trump-allies-fear-sabotaging-campaign

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: August 15, 2024, 04:30:16 PM »

Apparently, by Trump's own words, he shouldn't run.