How to explain Midnight sun/No sun?
« on: September 20, 2021, 11:55:17 AM »
Hello!
I have looked for answers to this but I cannot find any? Perhaps some FE pros can explain this and how it fits into the model?
I live in a country quite far up "north". The problem I find that I cannot see any solution to in the FE model is that here we get Midnight sun during summers. (Sun is actually shining 24h/day) BUT of course, that is quite the opposite during winters where the sun hardly ever manages to ease up over the horizon at all.
So, how is this explained within the FE theory where the sun seems to be on a static track across the disc?

Thank you!

/Thorlake

Re: How to explain Midnight sun/No sun?
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2021, 06:25:02 AM »
Hi Thorlake,

I imagine on the regular Flat Earth model with the North Pole at the center of the earth, the sun is simply close enough to your northern location at night so it can be seen during the summer 24/7.

On another map like mine, where Antarctica is the center of the Earth, and sun is farther away from the Northern edge at night, to far to be seen physically, I believe the Sun's reflection wraps around the atmosphere at night so what your seeing is a reflection of the sun, not the sun itself.  See the image below:



Notice the main light on one side of the magnifying glass and a less bright reflection of the same light on the other side - as well as a third reflection but you see its possible under the right conditions-.
Truth doesn't pick sides.

Re: How to explain Midnight sun/No sun?
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2021, 11:21:40 AM »
Ok, that would then possibly explain the summer, where the sun is visible 24/7. But what about the winter where we have almost no sun at all during the days? How can there also be such a difference between the two seasons with the FE model?

Re: How to explain Midnight sun/No sun?
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2021, 02:44:30 PM »
In the standard North Pole centered Model, the Sun travels farther away from the north during the winter months so the Arctic region would not experience as much sunlight.

In the South Pole Centered Model, during winter the sun shines through the atmosphere more directly and causes less distortion around the sphere. 
« Last Edit: September 24, 2021, 03:09:04 PM by MetaTron »
Truth doesn't pick sides.

Offline jimster

  • *
  • Posts: 164
    • View Profile
Re: How to explain Midnight sun/No sun?
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2021, 04:57:48 PM »
At night, I can see stars on the dome in every direction. So can people at the edge of FE map. So that comparatively weak light can travel from the farthest distance across the globe.

Metatron, how do we see stars from all the way across the dome, yet the sun is not visible because it is too far?


Re: How to explain Midnight sun/No sun?
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2021, 06:18:23 PM »
Who says you are seeing across the entire sky?

Re: How to explain Midnight sun/No sun?
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2021, 09:22:08 PM »
When your looking across the earth you cannot see the sun or other Low Altitude objects because of distance, perspective, and atmospheric interference.  Thats why some stars cannot be seen in the south from the north and vice versa.

However, looking through a glass dome, you can see high altitude stars more clearly from the edges of the earth then at its center... See example:






Truth doesn't pick sides.

*

Offline stack

  • *
  • Posts: 2262
    • View Profile
Re: How to explain Midnight sun/No sun?
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2021, 11:10:46 PM »
When your looking across the earth you cannot see the sun or other Low Altitude objects because of distance, perspective, and atmospheric interference.  Thats why some stars cannot be seen in the south from the north and vice versa.

If this were the case, how come I can see a sun set below the horizon?

However, looking through a glass dome, you can see high altitude stars more clearly from the edges of the earth then at its center... See example:



You seem to be looking through some sort of dome on your mousepad from space. Not from earth.

Re: How to explain Midnight sun/No sun?
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2021, 12:00:57 AM »
When your looking across the earth you cannot see the sun or other Low Altitude objects because of distance, perspective, and atmospheric interference.  Thats why some stars cannot be seen in the south from the north and vice versa.

If this were the case, how come I can see a sun set below the horizon?

I just moved a flashlight slowly away from this dome as I looked through it, and sure enough I saw a perfect sunset.  When I removed the dome, I could see the flash light again.   


You seem to be looking through some sort of dome on your mousepad from space. Not from earth.

I know I haven't been able to look through the dome and work everything out yet...  But I think the potential is there.
Truth doesn't pick sides.

*

Offline stack

  • *
  • Posts: 2262
    • View Profile
Re: How to explain Midnight sun/No sun?
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2021, 12:19:58 AM »
When your looking across the earth you cannot see the sun or other Low Altitude objects because of distance, perspective, and atmospheric interference.  Thats why some stars cannot be seen in the south from the north and vice versa.

If this were the case, how come I can see a sun set below the horizon?

I just moved a flashlight slowly away from this dome as I looked through it, and sure enough I saw a perfect sunset.  When I removed the dome, I could see the flash light again. 

If you think moving a flashlight over an upside down glass bowl represents the complexity of the cosmos, have at it.


You seem to be looking through some sort of dome on your mousepad from space. Not from earth.

I know I haven't been able to look through the dome and work everything out yet...  But I think the potential is there.

Explore the potential. There are other potentials to explore. Go to a University space telescope set up. Talk to the astrophysicists about theory, observation, and facts. Pick their brains. Look through their equipment, etc. Dive in. It's wondrous what we know and don't know, but surmise.

Relinquish your bias that there is a "dome". There might not be. Maybe there is one. Talk to people who have explored all these notions and more rather than flipping a bowl onto to your mousepad and blasting it with a flashlight..


Re: How to explain Midnight sun/No sun?
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2021, 12:42:07 AM »
Lol, thanks Stack.  We'll seeee..
Truth doesn't pick sides.

Offline WTF_Seriously

  • *
  • Posts: 682
  • When I grow up I wanna be like Pete
    • View Profile
Re: How to explain Midnight sun/No sun?
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2021, 12:58:20 AM »
Isn't there an inherent flaw in all this dome example?  The sun is also inside the dome, no?  So shining a light outside a dome doesn't represent what is actually happening in any way.
Distance from Sydney to Perth - We don't know.
There's a mirror floating in the sky - Yup.

Re: How to explain Midnight sun/No sun?
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2021, 01:12:28 AM »
Not in all models.
Truth doesn't pick sides.