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Re: Trump
« Reply #9180 on: September 26, 2021, 07:56:51 AM »
It's not okay to lie. The media portrayed the report as saying something contrary to what it said. The quality and truthfulness of the report is a different matter than honestly reporting on what it said. They were unable to honestly relay to the public what the audit reported. Picking out a single sentence from a report and cutting out the rest which says the election is tainted and should be decertified is rather unethical, and defending this unethical behavior by the media shows how dishonest you guys are as well.

I can predict that response to this will be to argue that you think that someone else did something bad, and that's why it's okay to lie. That is the justification you guys tend to give for this sort of unethical behavior. No, it's not okay to lie.

So you finally agree that cherry picking quotes is dishonest. I hope you will stop doing it then  :)

Ah, so you were completely wrong on this, so you want to talk about FE in a thread about Trump now. Now someone else allegedly did something bad, so it was okay and two wrongs make a right and the matter is justified or some such logic. Incorrect. You were wrong. You have made neither a true argument or a legitimate argument. You even doubled down on the media conclusion earlier and you were still wrong. Embarrassing.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9181 on: September 26, 2021, 08:27:58 AM »
you want to talk about FE in a thread about Trump now.
I’m not talking about FE.
I’m talking about you.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9182 on: September 26, 2021, 08:30:07 AM »
you want to talk about FE in a thread about Trump now.
I’m not talking about FE.
I’m talking about you.

Your argument that someone else allegedly did something bad as apparent justification or dismissal to the media's lies to the public is beyond ridiculous. You are arguing in favor of lying, which just shows you to be an unethical fellow willing to argue that black is white if it suits you. How can you get around the consequence to your argument and debate tactics that you are justifying the media lying to the public?

Here was your thought process when you made your argument "I can't really contradict this, so I am going to justify this by arguing that someone else may have done something bad."

Yeah, you certainly came out ahead in this by attempting to justify the media's dishonesty. I am sure that with what you are arguing that you are inches away from making the world think that it's okay for the media to lie to the public. ::)
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9183 on: September 26, 2021, 10:45:22 AM »
A hand recount of the ballots did affirm the result. The subsequent audit revealed things that may or may not be issues with some of those ballots. It’s literally not a lie.

But go on. Cherry pick something that says it is.
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« Reply #9184 on: September 26, 2021, 01:40:56 PM »
Your argument
I’m not making an argument.
I’m simply pointing out the hypocrisy of you lambasting the press for cherry picking when that is your MO.

It doesn’t sound like the report found anything earth shattering which is going to blow this whole thing wide open. But do let me know when Trump is going to be reinstated if I wrong about that.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9185 on: September 28, 2021, 05:07:55 AM »
It so wonderfully makes my heart flutter every time conservatives find more votes for Biden and fewer for Trump. 🥰 99 more and 261 fewer this time, respectively.

I think the Republican party might be undercover leftists.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9186 on: September 28, 2021, 05:26:54 AM »
It's not okay to lie.

Do you hold Trump to the same standard?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-fact-checker-tracked-trump-claims/2021/01/23/ad04b69a-5c1d-11eb-a976-bad6431e03e2_story.html

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An assessment of the Fact Checker database shows the dramatic escalation in the rate of Trump’s dishonesty over time. Trump averaged about six claims a day in his first year as president, 16 claims day in his second year, 22 claims day in his third year — and 39 claims a day in his final year. Put another way, it took him 27 months to reach 10,000 claims and another 14 months to reach 20,000. He then exceeded the 30,000 mark less than five months later.

Trump made false claims about just about everything, big and small, so the Fact Checker database provides a window into his obsessions (and the news cycle) at the time. When he felt under siege or in trouble, he responded by trying to craft an alternative reality for his supporters — and to viciously attack his foes. Nearly half of the false claims were communicated at his campaign rallies or via his now-suspended Twitter account.

More at the link. Suffice to say, he was a liar


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Re: Trump
« Reply #9187 on: September 28, 2021, 05:33:10 AM »
It's not okay to lie.

Do you hold Trump to the same standard?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-fact-checker-tracked-trump-claims/2021/01/23/ad04b69a-5c1d-11eb-a976-bad6431e03e2_story.html

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An assessment of the Fact Checker database shows the dramatic escalation in the rate of Trump’s dishonesty over time. Trump averaged about six claims a day in his first year as president, 16 claims day in his second year, 22 claims day in his third year — and 39 claims a day in his final year. Put another way, it took him 27 months to reach 10,000 claims and another 14 months to reach 20,000. He then exceeded the 30,000 mark less than five months later.

Trump made false claims about just about everything, big and small, so the Fact Checker database provides a window into his obsessions (and the news cycle) at the time. When he felt under siege or in trouble, he responded by trying to craft an alternative reality for his supporters — and to viciously attack his foes. Nearly half of the false claims were communicated at his campaign rallies or via his now-suspended Twitter account.

More at the link. Suffice to say, he was a liar


Embarrasing
Quite.

Trump is only a liar if you don't assume he's always truthful.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9188 on: September 28, 2021, 11:25:20 PM »
Two more weeks and Trump retakes the white house.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #9189 on: September 28, 2021, 11:51:49 PM »
Two more weeks and Trump retakes the white house.

Let’s go!
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« Reply #9190 on: September 29, 2021, 12:17:37 AM »
I mean it's about time
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9191 on: September 29, 2021, 03:49:10 AM »
Here is what it really said:

https://americaproject.com/ExecutiveSummary_VersionFinal_092421.pdf

i dunno where your source got its "draft," but the final report posted by the arizona state senate republican caucus does not include any such recommendation: https://www.azsenaterepublicans.com/cyber-ninjas-report

it's not okay to lie.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9192 on: September 29, 2021, 05:03:21 AM »
Here is what it really said:

https://americaproject.com/ExecutiveSummary_VersionFinal_092421.pdf

i dunno where your source got its "draft," but the final report posted by the arizona state senate republican caucus does not include any such recommendation: https://www.azsenaterepublicans.com/cyber-ninjas-report

it's not okay to lie.

Draft seems legit.  Well, for volume 1 anyway.  Probabky cut some things out for the final part so the republicans wouldn't have to make elections too difficult for them to win.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9193 on: September 29, 2021, 05:34:40 AM »
Here is what it really said:

https://americaproject.com/ExecutiveSummary_VersionFinal_092421.pdf

i dunno where your source got its "draft," but the final report posted by the arizona state senate republican caucus does not include any such recommendation: https://www.azsenaterepublicans.com/cyber-ninjas-report

it's not okay to lie.

A conservative? Blindly throwing out random conservative sources? Very unlikely, libflake.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9194 on: September 29, 2021, 05:46:48 AM »
Here is what it really said:

https://americaproject.com/ExecutiveSummary_VersionFinal_092421.pdf

i dunno where your source got its "draft," but the final report posted by the arizona state senate republican caucus does not include any such recommendation: https://www.azsenaterepublicans.com/cyber-ninjas-report

it's not okay to lie.

I would suggest you refrain from fibbing. That's not the draft report. The media reported on the draft report.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/arizona-audit-results-reveal-donald-trump-lost-to-joe-biden-by-even-bigger-margin/ar-AAOLCft?li=BBnb7Kz


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Re: Trump
« Reply #9195 on: September 29, 2021, 05:53:09 AM »
Here is what it really said:

https://americaproject.com/ExecutiveSummary_VersionFinal_092421.pdf

i dunno where your source got its "draft," but the final report posted by the arizona state senate republican caucus does not include any such recommendation: https://www.azsenaterepublicans.com/cyber-ninjas-report

it's not okay to lie.

I would suggest you refrain from fibbing. That's not the draft report. The media reported on the draft report.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/arizona-audit-results-reveal-donald-trump-lost-to-joe-biden-by-even-bigger-margin/ar-AAOLCft?li=BBnb7Kz



But.... You posted the draft report.  It says draft on page 1 of the PDF.
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« Reply #9196 on: September 29, 2021, 05:59:37 AM »
Correct. I am referring to the azsenaterepublicans.com link containing the final report. The difference between the reports would not expunge the media, since the media originally reported on the draft report.

The final report also still says that it found a ton of unacceptable problems with the election, not that it was just fine and Biden won without issue like was implied by the media.
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« Reply #9197 on: September 29, 2021, 09:01:41 AM »
Correct. I am referring to the azsenaterepublicans.com link containing the final report. The difference between the reports would not expunge the media, since the media originally reported on the draft report.

The final report also still says that it found a ton of unacceptable problems with the election, not that it was just fine and Biden won without issue like was implied by the media.

Ah, thats fair.

And yes, issues.  Think those same issues exist in republican run counties? 
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9198 on: September 29, 2021, 10:46:59 AM »
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2021/09/28/doctored-audit-report-2020-maricopa-county-election-contains-false-information-cyber-ninjas-ceo-says/5893164001/

Tom I think you may have been lead astray by some misinformation.

Actually that statement is incredibly broad for a Trump supporter.  Let me be more specific.  The audit report that you've likely read isn't the audit report that's going to be released.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #9199 on: September 29, 2021, 11:26:25 AM »
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2021/09/28/doctored-audit-report-2020-maricopa-county-election-contains-false-information-cyber-ninjas-ceo-says/5893164001/

Tom I think you may have been lead astray by some misinformation.

Actually that statement is incredibly broad for a Trump supporter.  Let me be more specific.  The audit report that you've likely read isn't the audit report that's going to be released.

Also, the statements Tom pointed to as “smoking guns” were evident falsehoods.
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