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Flat Earth Theory / Re: You wouldn't know how fast you're going
« on: March 19, 2016, 05:07:37 PM »
I don't understand; why should anything happen to your organs?

You cleared this up for me; but here's where I was coming from, and what I thought would happen prior: Same thing when you slam on the brakes in a vehicle, or deploy a parachute I suppose, just on a bigger scale of being suddenly detached from the earth's movement. End: It was relational I see now; there's nothing to move in relation to in space really (until inevitably of course, there is, such as debris or larger), so no violent transition.

However, if you're in a car there are a lot of inferences you can make about the car's movement in relation to the known Globe Earth momentum; even with a majority of the senses relatively impaired (close your eyes, put in earplugs, etc). This is because your body (and specifically) organs (again) can detect changes in movement. Try taking a cab when you are looking for a latrine, for example; experiencing turbulence on an aircraft or vertigo at night sky may apply to some extent as well. However, this may/may not apply to constant movement which is all said organs have ever known since before they were even developed (save for in my 'tangent' about leaving it); such as the movement of the Globe Earth. I honestly don't think it can even be used to prove/disprove the theory of this topic (except again, by observations/measurements leaving it). Hope that helps; actually would be an interesting (if expensive) experiment to run in addition to any other task in a manned mission, actually; probably not worth going to space alone just to find out though.

Or, is space itself just conveniently moving at the same speed of the Earth, so the 'astronauts' whom have 'already done this' managed to survive, as you were, by 'hitting the ground running'?

No, it isn't that 'space is moving', but instead that space is empty (OK, it's mostly empty).  When an astronaut leaves the vehicle in space, it isn't like jumping from a moving bus onto stationary earth or into air moving at a different speed (if moving at all).  He's going from a vehicle moving through vacuum, to moving through that vacuum without a vehicle.

Okay, I see how these globe-earth-to-space-transition physics work better now, thank you, this is the counterpoint I couldn't visualize (thus my point of my last post). I by no means was implying that vacuum had momentum, though; that was just to illustrate what I couldn't visualize.

Regardless, if the world is spinning and hurtling through space, there should be some sort of 'transition' when exiting the 'vehicle' as you must realize your analogy inevitably must conclude; Yes - you wouldn't know how fast you were going - until [you stopped].

You've missed the original poster's point, which is: ON EARTH you cannot detect the velocity of the spot you are standing on, because you detect acceleration, not speed [...] All this subsequent talk of orbiting and leaving spacecraft is all tangential.

My previous quoted response. I didn't miss anything other than transition physics; Edit de/acceleration opposed to speed, and over-interpreted organ impact. End Edit Oh yes, it was [somewhat of] a tangent, maybe in bad taste, I concur, but would have been worse to make a new thread for it entirely than to merely bring it up here (to be sure, just to be thwarted with a single post such as this - thank you for responding btw).

« Last Edit: Today at 05:14:16 PM by nametaken »

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Yeah saw that meager yahoo questions source getting thwarted a mile off.

Not so bad for the first egg I'll be scraping off my face here. I got nothing on this for now. You did inspire my interest however, so I'm not conceding defeat, just reading through these right now. I mean, I'm not one to go against Napoleon, but the wiki here serves mainly as a deterrent to the non-zetetic minded who stumble upon it; I think we all know that. At least, I personally cannot see any true FE'er advocate wholeheartedly believe anything there (I am by no means condemning it; that deterrent has proved a great firewall since decades before I was born).

tl;dr you win for now as far as I'm concerned. But I know how to turn ice into fire.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« on: March 19, 2016, 02:36:06 AM »
Sorry people, not that it has ever mattered, but it really is all fools gold this time around.

Only two (Deseil (Paper) 1) (Unleaded (Plastic) 2) candidates really matter. Choose responsibly.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: You wouldn't know how fast you're going
« on: March 19, 2016, 01:43:20 AM »
Edit: I'm a late commer, so this may have been brought up already - I only read OP (for now). Just one thing I got for now:

However, this is not the case.  Consider for a moment that you are riding in a bus.  While it is moving at a constant speed, you get up and move to the other side.  Why don't you get thrown to the back?  The reason is that you retain momentum, and you can only feel acceleration. 

Exactly. However, follow this through to it's logical conclusion, and you realize not only are you right; you are entirely right.

Imagine you jump off that bus, wile it is moving; essentially what we've [allegedly] been doing for years with astronauts. What happens to your organs? Or, is space itself just conveniently moving at the same speed of the Earth, so the 'astronauts' whom have 'already done this' managed to survive, as you were, by 'hitting the ground running'?

Regardless, if the world is spinning and hurtling through space, there should be some sort of 'transition' when exiting the 'vehicle' as you must realize your analogy inevitably must conclude; Yes - you wouldn't know how fast you were going - until it was too late.

Now, obviously, these organizations aren't stupid and would recognize this, and take the measurements into consideration to make a trajectory and exit velocity to 'ease' out of [not knowing how fast they are going]; I'm not saying they didn't do it.

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Uhhh... Good point, except whenever I search I'm seeing that the best answer for the distance from NP to EQ is ~20k km, and EQ circumference is 40k km. If that's not the definition of 'radius', I don't know what is.

Granted, some quick searches do show WILD variance on the former's distance; I've seen from 7.5k km to 50k km in just the past few minutes. However, the first google result ("equator to north pole distance" I'm feeling lucky) states that the KM was actually designed on - whatever 10k of any measurement equaled said distance. So, meh. Looks like there isn't a consensus, but I just picked this up right as I saw this topic, so I don't really know.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: What is the speed of Sun in FET?
« on: March 18, 2016, 09:53:02 PM »
Perihelion and aphelion

Heh, haven't thought about this since joining the FE debates; damn now I'm wondering, does the sun indicate any redshift/blueshift to say, the New Horizons module, if it looked back at it while moving towards/away? Don't think that's how the doppler effect works though, the Sun would be have to be the thing that's moving... ugh I want to see the sun redshifted now.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Tilting of satellite dishes?
« on: March 18, 2016, 09:27:56 PM »
I'll bite, seems harmless enough.

If the Earth is flat, it doesn't change anything, the phenomena that exist still exist, and the orbit of the 'satellites' is still in the same place; thus, they still have to point at it; simple. The orbits themselves, now, may function differently in a flat Earth than with a ball (still a circle, but on a different axis), but they'd still be in the same place. There is a lot of space between the north pole and the equator after all. I don't own autocad, nor live close enough to either location, but that would be a simple case of triangulation if you get the angles to know where the satellites are; not sure how much this would help to 'prove' flat or globe, though.

Edit To clarify, geostationary orbit; I don't know how/if Flat Earth 'turns', but if it doesn't, then the satellite must be stationary as well (read: balloons). If the FE does turn, then the orbit must follow it, as with the Globe. Hope that sounds more simple.

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This... Is relevant to my interests. I am currently investigating (read: procrastinating) similar matters myself.

Good to see some auto-moderation here, that makes me feel more comfortable about my own timid first posts, thank you. Indeed. You don't seem to know the bible well; I was under the impression 'Noah's Flood' came forth from the 'water's above the firmament'; and only drained out into the 'waters bellow'.

But as the auto-mod said, that sounds Torah. I prefer Pre-Hindu India, but hey, 90% of that is under water right now so the dead tale no tells (that was deliberate).

*sigh*

Hate to repeat myself already, only my 6th post, but here are two of my favorite links:

http://www.livescience.com/1312-huge-ocean-discovered-earth.html
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/World_Distribution_of_Mid-Oceanic_Ridges.gif

To swing this into Flat Earth a little, I would love to see if someone has the latter link in a Flat Earth Map Model proportion? All of my internets to you if so, thank you (not an official request but if you have it and don't mind sharing...) Also, the Hindi model is a flat Earth similar to biblical model, with 4 avatars where the angels otherwise sit. Thank you for the links, I'll be working on them; they do look more like 'stretch marks' than something water went back into, I give you that. The Grove Street link is broken now, but I am already familiar with that one, thank you. Also, hope you enjoy the underwater variations I've provided you.

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To OP (and anyone else interested) Set your browser up to replace "no one" with "God" and vice versa. Whether hilarious or profound, I guarantee you'll enjoy the results. There are plenty of compatible plugins for Firefox or Chrome to do this. Edit: "monkey" and "human" works wonders as well.

Ugh. Seems everyone here is already tired of xyzed arguments, so I'll spare. The BILLIONS one is what gets under my skin, there you know the chink in my armor. Just know, they have found soft tissue for dinosaurs, so we don't completely understand fossilization apparently; blood vessels, complete cells, ligaments, you name it.

Also not a creationist, just as I said tired.

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Got the warning not to post here due to it not being posted in, in at least 120 days.

But just wanted to say, you could also draw sources from say, the wikipedia page for cosmologies.

Even wikipedia makes it obvious that there are a lot of (relatively) modern schools of thought outside typical spiritual beliefs, for example. Though, ties to the antediluvian world obviously take precedence as this outline obviously notes. The Hindu tradition, specifically, has a lot of resources to draw from.

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Earth Not a Globe Workshop / Fiction
« on: March 11, 2016, 10:50:49 PM »
Last Edit: March 29, 2016, 01:49:07 AM

Update: Today 31 March 2016 11:56:27 PM by nametaken I am still working on this, but if ZC/Mods want to delete it for now, I can't stop you, go ahead. If you have seen it already, you know it needs a lot of work, and now it's been almost a month since I found FE, so I'm getting settled into the community and don't feel the pressure/drive like I used to to keep it up to date, but I will continue to work on it as I see fit. Enter people calling me a shill etc.

Current Post (Alpha) version: 0.0.034 v2. Currently removed for editing and consideration (P2 got locked). TFES not my personal blog~ when it's closer to completion and containing less personal opinion I'll consider reposting it; and leave the intro for now so it's apparent what the post contains:

Original Intro: "My workshop project is to create a thorough compendium/index of FE talking points (FETP), where others can add to/deconstruct; I don't know the exact extent to which any of these points have been investigated, other than what I present herein. *Disclaimer:* points presented, thus, are *as is*, from sources where cited. I do not modify any data, except where denoted. I neither own nor endorse any content; all belongs to their original agencies, thus all credit goes to them. I admit, I cannot argue many of these points; I present the arguments themselves rather than the facts typically, for now. Obviously, this post will be subject to editing. If I sound ignorant about something, it's probably because I am; I welcome feedback. Some points detract from common FETP; I will denote them with 'non-cFETP'; my biases. I'm working on bleeding these out to keep in the good faith of an index; the post as Guest now reads it, thus, is to be considered a 'work in progress'. Until then - sorry  :-[. *Disclaimer 2* in footnotes -End Intro"


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That said, [the following are] the Most Common Talking Point Proofs/Errors I've encountered, in no particular order:

[removed until further notice]: I was not asked by ZC to take this down, but rather have done so out of respect for TFES, and my own considerations.

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