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Flat Earth Community / Zetetic method questions: what about germs?
« on: November 11, 2020, 05:47:38 PM »
I don't quite understand why flat earthers have this notion that if one can't observe the actual cause of an effect, then the cause doesn't exist. For example, we know that germs are real because of the effect that various types of germs have on the human body and other bodies. Why do FErs sometimes claim that the earth is flat because they feel like they aren't moving, it appears flat, etc.

Flat Earth Theory / Flat earth and New earth?
« on: May 16, 2020, 09:41:32 PM »
It’s my understanding that flat earthers also believe that the earth is a number under 15 thousand years old. I believe that the earth is a couple billion years old, and the universe is over a dozen billion years old. There are lots of things telling us that the earth and universe are very old, including various earth terrain, fossils, carbon dating, observing very distant space objects and other phenomena, etc.

I understand that not all (even not many) flat earthers believe space objects are real, despite the interesting things one can observe with telescopes and basic equipment. I’m curious if a FEr would confirm that FET in general believes the earth is relatively young, provide supporting arguments, and refute the example arguments that a) the Grand Canyon took millions of years to carve and b) observable phenomena like redshift and objects in space are as they seem. I pulled these out of a metaphorical hat, and there’s plenty more examples that could be discussed that indicate the earths very old age.

I think if we could establish that earth is very old, a cascade of determinations would occur leading to being required to accept modern day physics, as FET partially rejects.

Flat Earth Theory / Explain meteors
« on: March 04, 2020, 03:52:06 PM »
Sometimes, meteors crash into us if they are any larger than a truck. Smaller rocks will most likely burn up in the atmosphere before reaching the surface. We can also predict some of the larger meteors’ orbit. A growing industry is trying to track more space rocks in order to predict a potential catastrophic event and be more prepared for it.

I read the wiki, maybe not enough, and found nothing. I used the search tool and found about a dozen threads with no satisfying answer. If everything from the moon to stars is relatively local and also predictable, then what explains the unpredictability of meteor showers and the occasional meteor that reaches the surface? What are meteors?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Religion?
« on: February 17, 2020, 07:38:40 PM »
First of all, I came here under the assumption that all flat earthers were Christian, but I may have been mistaken. Furthermore, I assumed all flats earthers were also relatively conservative and liked Trump. I believe here I was gravely mistaken, after reading some threads here. Finally, even FET may not be a conspiracy theory in the negative tin foil hat connotation, it falls in the category among common other people, and I was wondering if FErs also follow other “conspiracies” like qanon.

Also, if all the presidents and candidates know the earth is flat and are not going to share, how do you support one of them?

Flat Earth Theory / Are plane tickets real?
« on: February 11, 2020, 03:00:24 AM »
How come I can purchase a nonstop plane ticket from Sydney to Santiago in Chile? On the most common flat map, you'd have to cross or laterally pass EVERY single continent. Our jets A) wouldn't have enough fuel for that, B) can't travel fast enough to get there in 13 hours and 15 minutes, and C) We don't ever hear about people seeing land part of the way. I guess you could fly around the land, but that complicates the first two contingencies.

Flat Earth Theory / I'm a RE'r and have some questions!
« on: January 19, 2020, 08:21:53 PM »

I'm a Mechanical Engineer and was inspired by another engineer on the forums to post here. I'd like to state first that I respect anyone's beliefs and do not mean to offend, I only want an honest and fair discussion so that I can understand FE arguments and also FE people. Secondly, I'm a christian, and I know FE and a lot of other non-FE Christians take the bible historically literally, but I do not. I'd prefer not to argue that as your choice to take the bible literally is your choice, not mine.

I've selected a couple of the many topics I've found intriguing in regards to FET.

Gravity... Is it real? is it just Acceleration? or is it Magnitism? I'm open to discuss any other theory other than gravity, but I'll preface with what I think of other theories.

The acceleration theory: Whoever wrote the UA theory page, really butchered the Lorentz equation and doesn't understand Einstein's relativity as it relates to the energy required to reach the speeds we would be traveling by now. For reference, however old you think the earth is, multiply the years by 1.03 and that's how many times the speed of light we are traveling now. I can go into more detail regarding the authors mistakes on that wiki if a member would like me to, but I'd rather stick to the big picture here. FE'rs either believe that the universe is the way I see it where planets and stars revolve around each other or it is just an image on the fabric of the dome. In the first case, our flat world would have to be bound by different physics than worlds around us. Earth would have to be a special exception to the rules that bind the rest of the universe. If you had a high powered telescope (I had the pleasure of using one a few years back at an observatory in Texas) You'd be able to see distant planets travelling around distant stars because of gravity, obviously not acceleration. Gravity explains why planets and rocks don't fly off into space, but sometimes things do, and gravity explains that also. Saturn has rings, and meteorites hit other planets often, thank God for a thick atmosphere to protect us from that horror. In the latter theory, why would God create an environment in which we can observe things that seem one way but aren't that way in reality? I believe God could make FE a reality because God is all powerful, but God is also all good, and it's not in his character to lie en mass to people like that when, being all knowing, must've known that eventually people would be able to observe his creation the way we can now and draw conclusions (i.e. gravity exists) that aren't actually accurate. God doesn't need to do this because he's all powerful and can make the universe work in whichever manner he sees fit.

Magnetism theory: This is actually how I talk to kids about gravity. it makes a lot of sense because gravity and magnetism use the same equation with different constants. The two equations use an inverse square law, so that means as you move away linearly, the force attracting you decreases by a square. In a way, gravity is magnetism, but gravity interacts the same with all matter that has mass. There is also energy, that isn't affected by gravity as it has no mass. There are some theories out there that remain unproven that the expanse of our universe is caused by some sort of dark matter that has he opposite reaction than regular matter has to gravity: it is repelled. But this theory is not proven accurate at this time. So whenever FE'rs say gravity isn't real because look, magnetism, I get confused by what point they are trying to make. I'd like to hear some discussion on this theory in particular. :)

Another topic: This is non-scientific, but more related to statistics. The structure of the FE theory is based on this idea that the government is lying to us. I don't trust the government as much as the next guy, but I'd like to logically break this down. I work in the aerospace industry, and a lot of what I do has to do with altimeters and directional control for the F35 fighter aircraft. I can't discuss my work because security clearance stuff, but the things that I work on in the plane depend on calculations made under the assumption the earth is round. If the earth were actually not round, then the plane would not behave the way that it does. Along with 20 thousand others who work on the same aircraft, and with millions of other people that work in aerospace building rockets, satellites, high altitude spacecraft, etc., all these people including myself are either fools or are in on the conspiracy, and I know for sure it's not the latter for myself. Furthermore, this group of people would have to include the navy. I have a friend who is a naval officer who recently was on a training tour from New Zealand to Chile and it took him 12 days to get there on a rather slow boat (nuclear submarine), and on the FE model, this would have taken months to cover what looks like 25,000 to 30,000 miles. Please explain how it's possible that this many people are either fools and have failed to figure out the government is bamboozling everyone, or are nefarious and are part of the cult government that propagates the globe earth lies, and NOBODY in these critical areas aforementioned have blown their whistle on it. It doesn't seem like a sort of common unspoken knowledge among the elite, like the Clintons are corrupt, or Mrs. Obama is a man. I think it's preposterous to believe that all people in the world (FE are a small minority of the populous and are excluded from this statement) including brilliant engineers, scientists, navy officers, and thousands of other FE/RE relevant positions are either very stupid and foolish and stubborn, or they are so evil and spineless that they allow this conspiracy to continue. The reason I make this last point is becuase if I were a FE'r and heard this perspective, I'd like to believe that I myself didn't have that large of an ego that I believed that I were: much more noble than the general population in my quest for truth, despite the adversity, and also, much more intelligent than the collective society that even the brightest people couldn't figure out the truth and overcome the government lies, that the earth is flat.

Thank you for reading this if you actually did read. In my field of work, many "scientific" people find FE theory among many other groups of people, like young earth people, conspiracy theorists in general, and also religion in general to be stupid and a waste of time to try and argue with people like that, however I find this to be the wrong approach. This leads to a mass group of people being confused about reality, which I believe you, FE reader, are. This isn't my noble crusade, but rather my obligation to God to have discussions like this to spread truth and understanding. One of Gods commandments is to not take his name in vein, and I interpret this to mean, don't make God look bad. I think FE theory makes God look bad, because scientific communities will associate FE with God and my religion and damage God's image. Most of people my breed have no time to do this kind of thing, but I figured I'd maybe use my engineering mind to good work and talk with the good people of the FE society. I hope you feel compelled to discuss some things with me instead of thinking this is stupid and a waste of time, because that would make you no different than my colleges, bless their hearts.

There are so many other things I want to talk about, like balloon rockets, the centripetal force of earth spin and rotation, satellite television, the mechanics of the sun/moon, and why we can't observe the curve on the surface but this post is already faaaarr too long. If you'd like to discuss other stuff, maybe let's make another thread.

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