Re: OK, got one. Straight lines
« Reply #60 on: April 07, 2014, 11:45:17 AM »
Sorry to interject, but was Rowbotham wrong when he said that if the earth is a globe 25,000 miles in circumference, a person should be able to see curvature with the naked eye at ground level?

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Re: OK, got one. Straight lines
« Reply #61 on: April 07, 2014, 03:50:34 PM »
Im Back,

I didn't say commercial airliners. I said corporate aircraft like the gulfstream V or Falcon900.
Both aircraft that fly higher than normal commercial aircraft. 51,000ft.

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I am aware of the reported curvature on those flights.  I've never experienced it myself so I can't speak to it.  Have you?  If so, do you believe it was curvature of earth that caused it?  Could it have been curvature of light or curvature of space instead?   Why or why not?  If you haven't experienced it, can you really cite it as evidence?

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Re: OK, got one. Straight lines
« Reply #62 on: April 07, 2014, 06:54:27 PM »
Sorry to interject, but was Rowbotham wrong when he said that if the earth is a globe 25,000 miles in circumference, a person should be able to see curvature with the naked eye at ground level?
No, it's just that the Earth isn't a globe.
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Re: OK, got one. Straight lines
« Reply #63 on: April 07, 2014, 07:29:41 PM »
Sorry to interject, but was Rowbotham wrong when he said that if the earth is a globe 25,000 miles in circumference, a person should be able to see curvature with the naked eye at ground level?
No, it's just that the Earth isn't a globe.
Sorry, but it is.  See pictures, use of satellites, sunrise and sunset around the world, measured distances.

Please show a scale map of the earth with verified distances between places.

Re: OK, got one. Straight lines
« Reply #64 on: April 09, 2014, 12:03:16 AM »
Please show us the ships logs.

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Re: OK, got one. Straight lines
« Reply #65 on: April 09, 2014, 02:10:22 AM »
Sorry to interject, but was Rowbotham wrong when he said that if the earth is a globe 25,000 miles in circumference, a person should be able to see curvature with the naked eye at ground level?
No, it's just that the Earth isn't a globe.
Sorry, but it is.  See pictures, use of satellites, sunrise and sunset around the world, measured distances.

Please show a scale map of the earth with verified distances between places.

All of these things are possible on a flat earth, and indeed happen on ours.  Again, you are assuming the earth is flat in the same way that a sheet of paper is flat.  It isn't. 

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Re: OK, got one. Straight lines
« Reply #66 on: April 10, 2014, 03:35:18 PM »
Sorry to interject, but was Rowbotham wrong when he said that if the earth is a globe 25,000 miles in circumference, a person should be able to see curvature with the naked eye at ground level?

Define 'see'. Are you referring to sensation, or perception? We could absolutely see the curvature were the Earth round. We would not, however, be able to perceive it. That said there are various tricks which can be used to allow us to perceive the supposed curvature. The Bedford Level Experiment is one of them. All of these methods consistently demonstrate a lack of curvature.
That's how far the horizon is, not how far you can see.

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Re: OK, got one. Straight lines
« Reply #67 on: April 10, 2014, 09:37:39 PM »
Sorry to interject, but was Rowbotham wrong when he said that if the earth is a globe 25,000 miles in circumference, a person should be able to see curvature with the naked eye at ground level?

Define 'see'. Are you referring to sensation, or perception? We could absolutely see the curvature were the Earth round. We would not, however, be able to perceive it. That said there are various tricks which can be used to allow us to perceive the supposed curvature. The Bedford Level Experiment is one of them. All of these methods consistently demonstrate a lack of curvature.

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Re: OK, got one. Straight lines
« Reply #68 on: April 11, 2014, 12:45:21 PM »
you know Alfred Wallace disproved the Bedford level experiment
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Re: OK, got one. Straight lines
« Reply #69 on: April 11, 2014, 02:33:10 PM »
Bendy light also disproves the Bedford Levels experiment.
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Re: OK, got one. Straight lines
« Reply #70 on: April 11, 2014, 05:35:19 PM »
you know Alfred Wallace disproved the Bedford level experiment

And was promptly found to have cheated by a court of law.

Bendy light also disproves the Bedford Levels experiment.

I see.
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Re: OK, got one. Straight lines
« Reply #71 on: April 11, 2014, 07:11:32 PM »
you know Alfred Wallace disproved the Bedford level experiment

And was promptly found to have cheated by a court of law.

That is totally false and you know it.

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Re: OK, got one. Straight lines
« Reply #72 on: April 11, 2014, 08:42:12 PM »
you know Alfred Wallace disproved the Bedford level experiment

And was promptly found to have cheated by a court of law.
Citation, please.
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Re: OK, got one. Straight lines
« Reply #73 on: April 13, 2014, 11:24:12 AM »
so how about all the fighter pilots, research planes, bombers, astronauts, cosmonauts and others that have gone above 50 000ft were they all lieing, how large is this conspiracy, has nobody ever found out about how efficient fuel is or airliners take long arc routes how can this stay secret for so long when theres evidence goverments just cant keep secrets
1 in 10 suicides apparently could be stopped if someone smiled or made the person happy for a minute so its my goal in life to make as many people as happy as possible...also QUEENSLANDER!!!!

Re: OK, got one. Straight lines
« Reply #74 on: April 13, 2014, 01:52:13 PM »
so how about all the fighter pilots, research planes, bombers, astronauts, cosmonauts and others that have gone above 50 000ft were they all lieing, how large is this conspiracy, has nobody ever found out about how efficient fuel is or airliners take long arc routes how can this stay secret for so long when theres evidence goverments just cant keep secrets

The Conspiracy makes billions by lying about the shape of the earth. Do you think a fighter pilot wouldn't want a slice of that cake?

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Re: OK, got one. Straight lines
« Reply #75 on: April 13, 2014, 03:34:06 PM »
so how about all the fighter pilots, research planes, bombers, astronauts, cosmonauts and others that have gone above 50 000ft were they all lieing, how large is this conspiracy, has nobody ever found out about how efficient fuel is or airliners take long arc routes how can this stay secret for so long when theres evidence goverments just cant keep secrets

The Conspiracy makes billions by lying about the shape of the earth. Do you think a fighter pilot wouldn't want a slice of that cake?

Billions?  What's their margin like?  Do they have audited financial statements?  Or maybe you are just making that up?

Re: OK, got one. Straight lines
« Reply #76 on: April 13, 2014, 04:54:18 PM »
They dont need to be audited because they are accountable to no one.

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Re: OK, got one. Straight lines
« Reply #77 on: April 13, 2014, 07:19:00 PM »
So you made up billions of dollars, got it.

Re: OK, got one. Straight lines
« Reply #78 on: April 13, 2014, 07:37:19 PM »
Incorrect.

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Re: OK, got one. Straight lines
« Reply #79 on: April 13, 2014, 07:45:45 PM »
Incorrect.

Fascinating. Well your arguments are persuasive. I have no reason to doubt the conspiracy's multi-billion dollar revenue stream.