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Any thoughts? I just remember in this thread someone said it was absurd that the sun is on the 'other side' of the world when it rises in Southern Hemisphere, and I had the time to mull it over and chew on it, and it makes sense now to me on a Flat Plane, if the sun is close it would be noticeable and observable in Southern Hemisphere. Tangentially, it would make sense that it is so much colder in AA; which it is. The global record low temperatures are all in the antarctic.
Anyway the shape of FE debates are always ad hoc, so improvised responses can be hard, I guess. Sorry for being so late with this, I had to put a lot of thought into it.
Remember that in mid-summer (21 Dec) McMurdo Station, Antarctica - (@ Lat, long of 77.8419° S, 166.6863° E) has daylight at around 1:50 AM on 21/Dec, with the sun due South,
Invercargill, New Zealand (@ Lat, long of 46.4132° S, 168.3538° E) is in complete darkness at the same time (sunset @ 9:39 PM, sunruse 5:50 AM).
Fits perfectly with the Globe, but please explain how this fits with your "musings".
Huh, I forgot to mention, this is impossible not only on the Flat Earth but the globe as well.
"Earth's obliquity oscillates between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees on a 41,000-year cycle. It is currently 23°26′13.6″ (or 23.43711°) and decreasing." - wikipedia.
Maybe my calculations are wrong (I'm using 2 balls as physical representation), but I checked in google earth as well. With a 23 degree tilt, there is no way the sun will ever be viewed as "in the south" much farther south than the tropic of Capricorn. This not only disproves Flat Earth sun mechanics, but Globe as well!
Maybe I'm wrong but this is what I'm seeing; the claim that the sun is viewed due south from Antarctica would require a near-full 90 degree tilt! From the other side looking south, it matches up. McMurdo Station, Antarctica on the other side in December, I assume?
You claim "this is impossible not only on the Flat Earth but the globe as well". Really I don't think there is any problem with the globe.
You must remember that the sun's distance from the earth is very much greater than the diameter of the earth, about 11,700 times! This makes it a bit hard maling or drawing to scale.
But, you don't need "2 balls as physical representation" as you already have one -
the sun!
Wikipedia gives these crude diagrams of the northern and southern summer solstice angles
Illumination of Earth by Sun at the northern solstice. | Illumination of Earth by Sun at the southern solstice. |
It is easy to see on that diagram how:
On the Antarctic Circle the sun "rises"
due south, at 00:00 local time, reaches a maximum elevation of about 47° at 12:00 (noon) and "sets" due south
At the South Pole the sun circles at an elevation of about 23.5°.
According to
SunEarthTools.comat McMurdo station, 77.8419° S, 166.6863° E, on 21/December/2015:
at 23:51 local time the sun was at an
elevation of 11.28° and
azimuth of 180° (due south) and
at 11:51 local time the sun was at an
elevation of 35.59° and
azimuth of 0° (due north).
These all fit with what I would expect on the globe, but would appear quite impossibel on the "Ice Wall" map Flat Earth Model.