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Re: Trump
« Reply #4120 on: July 22, 2019, 07:21:47 PM »
I don't keep up on Twitter, so could someone please cite some of the tweets where any of those women are saying that they hate America?
If they are against Trump, they hate America.  Where have you been?
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4121 on: July 22, 2019, 07:41:11 PM »
I don't keep up on Twitter, so could someone please cite some of the tweets where any of those women are saying that they hate America?
If they are against Trump, they hate America.  Where have you been?
Under a rock where I'm free to understand the difference between hating the man and hating the office/country.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4122 on: July 23, 2019, 05:41:34 AM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1153355316681170946

Trump casually mentioning what I can guess is nuclear war. Or just genocide, one of the two.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4123 on: July 23, 2019, 10:53:22 AM »
The United States has something called the First Amendment, so those people could chant what they wanted to chant.
Actually, the fist amendment does have its limits.

Although different scholars view unprotected speech in different ways, there are basically nine categories:

    Obscenity
    Fighting words
    Defamation (including libel and slander)
    Child pornography
    Perjury
    Blackmail
    Incitement to imminent lawless action
    True threats
    Solicitations to commit crimes
Legal scholars can scholar what they wish.

Nothing happened at the rally on which to take legal action.
I didn't say there was.  However, some might consider "send her back" to be fighting words, and thereby not protected speech.


And the President didn't lie.
Lying comes so naturally to Trump that I'm not sure if he even knows when he's lying an when he isn't.
Lying comes naturally to everybody.
Including yourself?  That would explain a lot.
Oh, thanks for that.

Or, you are not part of the set of everybody.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #4124 on: July 23, 2019, 12:05:48 PM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/doj-warns-robert-mueller-not-to-veer-from-russia-reports-written-conclusions-at-capitol-hill-hearing/ar-AAEHK0m?li=BBnb7Kz

"In a brief televised statement in May, Mueller recounted his report's overall findings, saying Russia launched a "concerted" effort to interfere with the 2016 election. "There were multiple, systematic efforts to interfere in our election, and that allegation deserves the attention of every American," he said."

So, all the time and effort spent investigating and all he is able to do is state and type the word ALLEGEDLY!!!

LMMFAO!!!

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Re: Trump
« Reply #4125 on: July 23, 2019, 01:34:23 PM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/doj-warns-robert-mueller-not-to-veer-from-russia-reports-written-conclusions-at-capitol-hill-hearing/ar-AAEHK0m?li=BBnb7Kz

"In a brief televised statement in May, Mueller recounted his report's overall findings, saying Russia launched a "concerted" effort to interfere with the 2016 election. "There were multiple, systematic efforts to interfere in our election, and that allegation deserves the attention of every American," he said."

So, all the time and effort spent investigating and all he is able to do is state and type the word ALLEGEDLY!!!

LMMFAO!!!
Right, the investigation led to exactly zero indictments, convictions or plea deals.  Oh, wait.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/25/muellers-russia-report-special-counsel-indictments-charges/3266050002/
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4126 on: July 23, 2019, 02:28:48 PM »
Let's talk about Trump's personality for a minute... something that we can actually substantiate through observation and statistics.

First off, look at us all spinning our heads debating Trump's alleged crimes, false statements, outlandish and often disgusting behaviour..... We all know Trump is narcissistic, and spouts crap off the top of his head. He does a great job of distracting us from actual issues. But is this all intentional? Perhaps..... but maybe it is just a symptom of a larger problem. Politics, egomania, and narcissistic personality disorder.

There are several qualities that one must express to be clinical diagnosed with egomania according to psychologytoday (https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/in-excess/201404/long-self-life).

Meeting at least 5 of these qualities is enough to be considered an egomaniac which is also characterized by narcissistic personality disorder. Allow me to detail a few of these qualities:

1. A grandiose sense of self-importance

2. Preoccupation with success and power

3. Need for excessive admiration

4. Exploitative

5. A belief of being unique

Trump clearly meets these qualities, and then some. In fact, Trump boldly flaunts these qualities, indicating he has some form of extreme egomania. It is not uncommon for politicians to be egomaniacs (some think it is a requirement), but it is my opinion that trump has one of the most extreme cases of egomania in our history.

Couldn't this explain why trump lies about such simple facts as the weather? Trump is so preoccupied with himself that not even the weather will stand above him.

Couldn't this explain why Trump's base is what it is? People who will call him "Supreme illustrious leader", for instance - fueling Trump's ego.

Here we are arguing about Trump's supposed sexual assaults, racism, bigotry, etc, etc.... when all we are doing is subscribing to his ego. We should stop bickering about all the bullshit spewing from Trump's orifices and focus on real issues at hand. I think many American's don't even know what those issues are because we are just as preoccupied with Trump's ego as Trump is!

If you shake a stick at a dog, it will bite the stick.

Trump is an egomaniac and a pathological liar - the sooner we can all get over it, the sooner Trump will get over it as well.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4127 on: July 23, 2019, 03:00:21 PM »
Ah but if you ignore Trump it only makes him want attention more and he will do things that can't be ignored to do it.  Like nuke another country.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4128 on: July 23, 2019, 03:08:38 PM »
Ah but if you ignore Trump it only makes him want attention more and he will do things that can't be ignored to do it.  Like nuke another country.

Well, that is a scary possibility with someone as unpredictable as a pathological egomaniac.....

Also, what would this thread be without discussing Trump's ego, right?
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4129 on: July 23, 2019, 03:24:03 PM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/doj-warns-robert-mueller-not-to-veer-from-russia-reports-written-conclusions-at-capitol-hill-hearing/ar-AAEHK0m?li=BBnb7Kz

"In a brief televised statement in May, Mueller recounted his report's overall findings, saying Russia launched a "concerted" effort to interfere with the 2016 election. "There were multiple, systematic efforts to interfere in our election, and that allegation deserves the attention of every American," he said."

So, all the time and effort spent investigating and all he is able to do is state and type the word ALLEGEDLY!!!

LMMFAO!!!
Right, the investigation led to exactly zero indictments, convictions or plea deals.  Oh, wait.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/25/muellers-russia-report-special-counsel-indictments-charges/3266050002/
Now, the subject is Russian interference.

It is clear Mueller used the word ALLEGATION.

As a reminder, allegation means "allegation - Legal Definition
n. An assertion of fact that one intends to prove at trial, especially one in a legal pleading such as a complaint, counterclaim, or indictment. Any declaration of something to be true without giving any proof."

So, nothing proven.

Just like the entirety of the Mueller Report.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #4130 on: July 23, 2019, 03:32:27 PM »
But HRC is totally guilty, that's how this works, right?

I don't think you can ever say definitively say that 'Russia' swung the election for Trump.  What we can say definitively is that organizations like the IRA made deliberate attempts to foment polarization in American political discourse.  I think that is a problem that should be attended to, as is all the corruption from political parties in elections.  When will you guys embrace a third party? 

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Re: Trump
« Reply #4131 on: July 23, 2019, 03:35:04 PM »
Let's talk about Trump's personality for a minute... something that we can actually substantiate through observation and statistics.
Oh, now we are getting somewhere.
First off, look at us all spinning our heads debating Trump's alleged crimes, false statements, outlandish and often disgusting behaviour..... We all know Trump is narcissistic, and spouts crap off the top of his head.
Oops...We don't all "know," that.
He does a great job of distracting us from actual issues. But is this all intentional? Perhaps..... but maybe it is just a symptom of a larger problem. Politics, egomania, and narcissistic personality disorder.

There are several qualities that one must express to be clinical diagnosed with egomania according to psychologytoday (https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/in-excess/201404/long-self-life).
Gee, can't we go with the DSM 5?
Meeting at least 5 of these qualities is enough to be considered an egomaniac which is also characterized by narcissistic personality disorder. Allow me to detail a few of these qualities:

1. A grandiose sense of self-importance
The position of president is not important...no...
2. Preoccupation with success and power
He is the OCCUPANT, even according to DEMOCRATS, so it is not a matter of preoccupation.
3. Need for excessive admiration
Excessive is purely subjective.
4. Exploitative
Everyone exploits everything they can to their advantage.

Otherwise known as economic self-interest.
5. A belief of being unique
We are all unique, right?
Trump clearly meets these qualities, and then some. In fact, Trump boldly flaunts these qualities, indicating he has some form of extreme egomania. It is not uncommon for politicians to be egomaniacs (some think it is a requirement), but it is my opinion that trump has one of the most extreme cases of egomania in our history.
Please...
Couldn't this explain why trump lies about such simple facts as the weather? Trump is so preoccupied with himself that not even the weather will stand above him.
Got a quote?
Couldn't this explain why Trump's base is what it is? People who will call him "Supreme illustrious leader", for instance - fueling Trump's ego.
I doubt he even reads it.
Here we are arguing about Trump's supposed sexual assaults, racism, bigotry, etc, etc.... when all we are doing is subscribing to his ego. We should stop bickering about all the bullshit spewing from Trump's orifices and focus on real issues at hand. I think many American's don't even know what those issues are because we are just as preoccupied with Trump's ego as Trump is!

If you shake a stick at a dog, it will bite the stick.

Trump is an egomaniac and a pathological liar - the sooner we can all get over it, the sooner Trump will get over it as well.
You are right...most people realize they have a life and bills to pay in order to live.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #4132 on: July 23, 2019, 03:38:24 PM »
But HRC is totally guilty, that's how this works, right?

I don't think you can ever say definitively say that 'Russia' swung the election for Trump.  What we can say definitively is that organizations like the IRA made deliberate attempts to foment polarization in American political discourse.  I think that is a problem that should be attended to, as is all the corruption from political parties in elections.  When will you guys embrace a third party?
No, it doesn't work that way.

The Internet is here.

There are foreigners, AI, etc., here on even a board like this on a forum like, attempting to sway political discourse.

Tis a reality as long as you participate.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #4133 on: July 23, 2019, 03:55:50 PM »
@totallackey

Your comments are laughable, and you clearly didn't put much thought into it.

I will however entertain your reply of "Gee, can't we go with the DSM 5?"  so.... here we go:

According to DSM 5 (American Psychiatric Association), egomania would fall under the category of "Personality Disorders".

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/personality-disorders/what-are-personality-disorders

Narcissistic personality disorder: a pattern of need for admiration and lack of empathy for others. A person with narcissistic personality disorder may have a grandiose sense of self-importance, a sense of entitlement, take advantage of others or lack empathy.

If you would like me to provide evidence of this disorder, you will need to give me time to search through all the garbage on the web to find actual quotes made by Trump. If you pay any attention to his speech patterns, you won't need any further evidence.


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One more thing, when you say "You are right...most people realize they have a life and bills to pay in order to live.".... what does that actually have to do with my post? I'm assuming the majority of people commenting in this thread have lives, jobs, and bills to pay yet here we are bickering about the "he said/she said bullshit (limp bizkit quote)"??? or have I misunderstood your dismissal of the insanity?
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4134 on: July 23, 2019, 04:43:29 PM »
But HRC is totally guilty, that's how this works, right?

I don't think you can ever say definitively say that 'Russia' swung the election for Trump.  What we can say definitively is that organizations like the IRA made deliberate attempts to foment polarization in American political discourse.  I think that is a problem that should be attended to, as is all the corruption from political parties in elections.  When will you guys embrace a third party?
No, it doesn't work that way.

The Internet is here.

There are foreigners, AI, etc., here on even a board like this on a forum like, attempting to sway political discourse.

Tis a reality as long as you participate.

Yes, its a reality that the lawmakers should see if they should mitigate.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #4135 on: July 23, 2019, 05:01:06 PM »
@totallackey

I figured you would want some evidence to support my claim of Trump's personality disorder, so I have put forth just a few quotes that could find... there are hundreds more if you really want to go to town, but the evidence that Trump is an egomaniac is overwhelming. You really have to be in complete denial to disagree.....

Narcissistic quotes from Donald Trump (a.k.a. - Beloved, supreme, illustrious) - quotes from allthatsinteresting.com

Note: I have bolded the phrases/statements that tend to his narcissism

1. "I have a great relationship with the blacks."

2. "I will build a great wall--and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me--and I'll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will make Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words."

3. "The beauty of me is that I'm very rich."

4. "I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.”

5."All of the women on The Apprentice flirted with me--consciously or unconsciously. That's to be expected."

6. "My Twitter has become so powerful that I can actually make my enemies tell the truth."

7. "I will be the greatest jobs president that God ever created."

8. "I'm their worst nightmare."

9. "My fingers are long and beautiful, as, it has been well documented, are various other parts of my body."

10. "I'm proud of my net worth; I've done an amazing job...The total is $8,737,540,000 USD. I'm not doing that to brag, because you know what, I don't have to brag."

I mean seriously, compassionate people with healthy relationships don't talk like this!
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4136 on: July 23, 2019, 06:35:31 PM »
Donald Trump has always been an egomaniac:

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Re: Trump
« Reply #4137 on: July 23, 2019, 09:57:32 PM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/doj-warns-robert-mueller-not-to-veer-from-russia-reports-written-conclusions-at-capitol-hill-hearing/ar-AAEHK0m?li=BBnb7Kz

"In a brief televised statement in May, Mueller recounted his report's overall findings, saying Russia launched a "concerted" effort to interfere with the 2016 election. "There were multiple, systematic efforts to interfere in our election, and that allegation deserves the attention of every American," he said."

So, all the time and effort spent investigating and all he is able to do is state and type the word ALLEGEDLY!!!

LMMFAO!!!
Right, the investigation led to exactly zero indictments, convictions or plea deals.  Oh, wait.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/25/muellers-russia-report-special-counsel-indictments-charges/3266050002/
Now, the subject is Russian interference.

It is clear Mueller used the word ALLEGATION.

As a reminder, allegation means "allegation - Legal Definition
n. An assertion of fact that one intends to prove at trial, especially one in a legal pleading such as a complaint, counterclaim, or indictment. Any declaration of something to be true without giving any proof."

So, nothing proven.

Just like the entirety of the Mueller Report.
In fairness, he can't prove it in trial because Trump is legally shielded from trial.  He could murder you for no reason and never be arrested or charged with a crime unless he is impeached and removed from office.

Being president means you are immune from justice.  So how would Mr. Mueller prove his allegations in court?
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4138 on: July 24, 2019, 12:10:09 AM »
"I'm going to be working for you. I'm not going to have time to go play golf." --Donald J. Trump, August, 2016
https://trumpgolfcount.com/displayoutings
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Re: Trump
« Reply #4139 on: July 24, 2019, 01:53:50 PM »
Your judgment of how I base my opinions is also of no concern or worth.

You said that something was "more than likely". It's pretty reasonable to explore how you came to that opinion.
The only basis you've managed to come up with is some vague stuff you read about an investigation which sounds like it's mostly right wing people trying to find some reason to "send her back" much like the "birther" conspiracy Obama had to put up with. There doesn't seem to be any official investigation of her immigration status ongoing.
I don't expect you to change your mind but it's important to expose the fact you're basing your opinion about this on prejudice rather than facts.

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Your opinion of Trump supporters seemed to be clear: Ignorant nobodies.

That's certainly my opinion of a mob chanting "send her back" about a US citizen.

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It seems you now believe this, "mob" to be capable of sending her back...

You said "No one has called for anyone to be deported". This mob were doing just that.
No, they're not capable of doing it. But calling for that to happen? Yes, they absolutely were doing that.

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He didn't lie.
He stated, "I think I did."
I am sure you also have stated you "I think I did," when in fact you hadn't.

I'm sure I have. But he was being asked about this the day after the events.
So your president is either a liar or has a terrible memory about events which took place so recently.
Neither of those things looks good. And he has a long history of lying about things so I'm inclined to think it's the former - I've already provided a link to the long list of his lies.
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