The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Theory => Topic started by: Boodidlie on May 28, 2017, 11:20:33 PM
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This is what an ISS flyover looks like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxRUpzM6JTg
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Yeah, I attempted this line of reasoning last year (https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=4724.0). The three FE responses were entertaining, but ultimately unconvincing: maybe it's a hologram, maybe it's an airplane, maybe nobody ever has seen it and everyone who claims they have is lying and all the photos and videos are CGI (you know, typical Ìntikam gibberish).
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.................... typical gibberish indeed (http://dadmansabode.com/F/FES/THUMBS-UP3.jpg)
Faith and Science, Falsely So-Called .... The apostle Paul closed his first epistle to Timothy by urging the young pastor to guard the deposit of truth that had been entrusted to him, “avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge” (1 Timothy 6:20-21). In the King James Version, the text famously speaks of “science falsely so called." Over the course of human history, all kinds of speculative ideas have been falsely labeled “science” and mistakenly accepted as true and reliable knowledge by otherwise brilliant people. The now-discredited dogmas of older scientific theories are numerous—and in some cases laughable. http://ow.ly/czn130aVf24 .... gty.org
(http://dadmansabode.com/m/macarthur/255-200XX.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3162#p3162)
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Once again - the FE'ers will just say ANYTHING that came out of the UN, NASA or other space agency (including privately run ones like SpaceX and Virgin Galactic) are inadmissible evidence because there is a giant global conspiracy of some kind.
Quite why all of these organizations would do this - quite why there is never one single "leak" - despite being hacked by WikiLeaks and others - this is not widely discussed.
But the bottom line here is that you can't argue with an unfalsifiable hypothesis. If we're told that all of this evidence is off-limits - then we're not convincing anyone by trotting it out again.
There are MUCH better ways to poke giant gaping holes in their arguments.
* Sunsets?
* Phases of the moon - and shadows of craters on the moon?
* How a sundial works - and why they aren't 100% accurate?
* Why there are two high tides per day and not just one?
* How does gravity work - and why is gravity different at the equator and the poles - and less at the tops of tall mountains?
* Why does the arc of the new moon appear to be vertical when you're far to the North, horizontal at the equator and backwards in the southern hemisphere?
* How can an airplane cover such vast distances on east/west flights in the Southern hemisphere?
* Why do the stars rotate around the sky in opposite directions in Northern & Southern hemisphere?
They have no convincing arguments for a single one of these things - and such arguments as are presented are easy enough to disprove.
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And we now believed it. ;D
Lets talk about International "SPACE" station isin't in space according to themselves.
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And we now believed it. ;D
the International "SPACE" station isn't in space according to themselves.
but what is it according to you ? .... real or a fake ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLl7oqdm_B8
btw: I'm hearing "them" refereeing all the time to "themselves" in SPACE .... where you missn out ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qASh_0OlXkA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7-pLfU0Z1Q
come on and answer the question İntikam before I die of boredom
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And we now believed it. ;D
the International "SPACE" station isn't in space according to themselves.
but what is it according to you ? .... real or a fake ?
btw: I'm hearing "them" refereeing all the time to "themselves" in SPACE .... where you missn out ?
come on and answer the question İntikam before I die of boredom
http://www.isstracker.com/
Altitute now: 256 miles; 411 kms. Sometimes 500 kms.
(https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1cfdb48562eb9ce01df51bc130a90fb5-c)
Where is it? Down side of thermospher. Why is there a hoax in the name of ISS?
Altitute: 500kms; Atmospher= 10.000 kms.
500/10.000 = %5 on the atmospher.
ISS is in the downer %5 of the atmospher and there is %95 remain to the SPACE!!
There isin't space, do not nonsence, okey? Do not deceive people!
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We don't understand which video is true and which is not. Because hoaxing tecnology is developed much. But we can understand whet that mean all rocket launchings not going vertically more than 2 minutes and a half. Its overlaps with normal rocket speed up to 110 kms. Not more.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/l71-UCFgwP4
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This is why we don't believe ISS fake station.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hklkIb1F1hA
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This is why we don't believe ISS fake station.
not much of a reason to reject .... you'll have to show how ALL videos are faked, even though there is no substance in the above video you claim is faked.
so then tell me, what is it that flies over my viewing area (according to the ISS tracker / refer to reply #1) on a clear night between 9pm and then again around 11pm ?
and also btw: where is your so-called claim of a 'state-of-the-art studio' located (that I might tour) where all this $$$.$$ fakery takes place ? < I'd like to get a job there ....
gotta be a lot of strings and wires holding them astronauts up, and all them hairs individually suspended, sure looks like the're floating ... lol pfft !!
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This is why we don't believe ISS fake station.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hklkIb1F1hA
The video glitches are because this data is being transmitted from orbit at speeds of thousands of miles per hour - keeping one receiver station in line-of-sight view is impossible (because the world ain't flat) - so every now and then there will be some sort of a glitch. The price of doing business from orbit.
The reason (for example) the female astronaut's hand briefly appeared in two places at once is due to the nature of compressed video encoding. We'd have to get into I-frames, P-frames and D-frames to explain it completely - and I'm quite sure your eyes would glaze over before I got to the punchline.
Simply put: They don't transmit the entire image back 60 or even 30 times a second - they only transmit the parts of the image that have changed "sufficiently", this produces a certain "roughness" to slow moving objects depending on how aggressively compressed the video is because a small motion might be ignored in order to save transmission bandwidth - but when the object has moved a little bit further, it'll cause a retransmission of that little patch of pixels and the image will jump around a bit from frame to frame.
By sending only the differences between one frame and the next - if there is a brief drop in communications, a few of those "differences" will fail to arrive at the recording station - and that's how come the old position of the astronauts hand was left behind when it moved. In order to compensate for these kinds of error - the entire picture is retransmitted every few seconds - which is why the error "fixes" itself a few seconds later. The same thing happens on cable and satellite TV signals - but it's rare because we have far fewer dropouts in communications. But in thunderstorm, with satellite TV, you get the same kinds of glitches as you see in live video feeds from the ISS.
The plastic handle that's hit by the guy's elbow seems to be a fairly springy bit of plastic - so just like here on earth, if you bend it, you're storing up "visco-elastic energy" in the object which is released when his elbow moves past it...and then it just springs back into place - bouncing around a bit until air resistance slows it to a halt. Without gravity, things like that bounce around more and seem more "flexible" than they do on Earth - but this is nothing unexpected.
Honestly - all of the things you see are very easily explained...none of them is a "smoking gun".
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INDEED .... actual scientific investigation does not begin with a conclusion and then attempt to gather "evidences" to substantiate that said conclusion ...
great response to the video in question (http://dadmansabode.com/F/FES/THUMBS-UP3.jpg) .... İntikam has got a LOT of work to do proving ALL videos to be faked ... still waiting for answers to questions asked.
İntikam - what is it that flies over my viewing area (according to the ISS tracker (http://iss.astroviewer.net/observation.php?lon=-97.33005300000002&lat=37.68717609999999&name=Wichita) / refer to reply #1) on a clear night between 9pm and then again around 11pm CST ?
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INDEED .... actual scientific investigation does not begin with a conclusion and then attempt to gather "evidences" to substantiate that said conclusion ...
great response to the video in question (http://dadmansabode.com/F/FES/THUMBS-UP3.jpg) .... İntikam has got a LOT of work to do proving ALL videos to be faked ... still waiting for answers to questions asked.
İntikam - what is it that flies over my viewing area (according to the ISS tracker (http://iss.astroviewer.net/observation.php?lon=-97.33005300000002&lat=37.68717609999999&name=Wichita) / refer to reply #1) on a clear night between 9pm and then again around 11pm CST ?
Hologram...although...holograms don't actually work like that...and you couldn't possibly put the hologram in the right place for everyone to see it where the ISS ought to be unless the world is round.
Because light travels in straight lines, to see a hologram - you have to be looking into the holographic projector...so...this video is almost certainly faked:
(https://m.popkey.co/56831f/oApL4.gif)
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Hey FErs ... how bout that explanation of what flew over Wichita KS last night
https://youtu.be/sGQz8AyO4Wc
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Oh come-on now ............ there's gotta be a FEer on here willing to give this a shot .....
what flew over Wichita KS Sunday Evening according to what I saw and the ISS tracker (http://iss.astroviewer.net/observation.php?lon=-97.33005300000002&lat=37.68717609999999&name=Wichita) ??
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Hey FErs ... how bout that explanation of what flew over Wichita KS last night
https://youtu.be/sGQz8AyO4Wc
We see only a white point, Mick. How do you understand its ISS fake station?
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Hey FErs ... how bout that explanation of what flew over Wichita KS last night
https://youtu.be/sGQz8AyO4Wc
We see only a white point, Mick. How do you understand its ISS fake station?
So what is this white point? And all the other ones that are where they should be using satellite trackers?
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We see only a white point, Mick. How do you understand its ISS fake station?
no ..... YOU tell me what it is
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A white point.
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A white point.
omG, flat earthers not to be taken serious ..... sad
"Where the senses fail us, reason must step in" .... < so then what do you do when your reason is all screwed up ?
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A white point.
BTW Boots ....... this "white point" you speak of,
what is it .... ?
where does it come from ..... ?
where does it go ..... ?
what propels it from the SW to the NE in about 90 seconds ..... ?
why does it adhere to the online ISS tracker (http://iss.astroviewer.net/observation.php?lon=-97.33005300000002&lat=37.68717609999999&name=Wichita) exactly in place and on time ..... ??
if your claim is true that the Earth is flat, then why does it re-occur its travel from the same direction every 90 minutes ..... ????
does it stop and turn around, go the opposite direction and then stop and come back again ..... ????
..................... a w a i t i n g - y o u r - a n s w e r s
(http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/wk-0162a.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/)
Boots ...... your "white point" statement was no explanation at all
https://youtu.be/sGQz8AyO4Wc
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A white point.
BTW Boots ....... this "white point" you speak of,
what is it .... ?
where does it come from ..... ?
where does it go ..... ?
what propels it from the SW to the NE in about 90 seconds ..... ?
why does it adhere to the online ISS tracker (http://iss.astroviewer.net/observation.php?lon=-97.33005300000002&lat=37.68717609999999&name=Wichita) exactly in place and on time ..... ??
if your claim is true that the Earth is flat, then why does it re-occur its travel from the same direction every 90 minutes ..... ????
does it stop and turn around, go the opposite direction and then stop and come back again ..... ????
..................... a w a i t i n g - y o u r - a n s w e r s
(http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/wk-0162a.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/)
Boots ...... your "white point" statement was no explanation at all
https://youtu.be/sGQz8AyO4Wc
It's a white point that moves in a predictable pattern. There are other white points that move in predictable patterns but they are not the ISS.
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It's a white point that moves in a predictable pattern. There are other white points that move in predictable patterns but they are not the ISS.
...... If not the ISS, then what are they Boots ?? ........... STILL waiting for a credible answer
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You tell me. Maybe there are millions of space stations.
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Maybe there are millions of space stations.
Flat earth < what a joke .... sad, very sad ....... no more wasted time here for me .. MUCH better things (http://dadmansabode.com/) to do
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A white point.
ie a satellite moving across the sky.
The thing is that you can get a telescope and see it for yourself. You just choose not to....
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This Flat Earth Theory is Very Amusing. But, IF the earth was flat,you could sail over the edge like Columbus believed and, IF flat, don't you think the (atheist) Soviet Union Cosmonauts would have told the world? What about those on the space station and Why would any Government spend billions on a bogus space program? Where would planes end up if they just flew a straight line in one direction and never changed course?
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This Flat Earth Theory is Very Amusing. But, IF the earth was flat,you could sail over the edge like Columbus believed and, IF flat, don't you think the (atheist) Soviet Union Cosmonauts would have told the world? What about those on the space station and Why would any Government spend billions on a bogus space program? Where would planes end up if they just flew a straight line in one direction and never changed course?
No need to make the same post twice in different threads, especially if it doesn't add anything to the topic.
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Just to clarify if you watch ISS flyover in a telescope you see this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsc80evqJ88
This is what I saw as well. Anyone else could see this too. Does it look like a what? A projection on the dome surface?
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I would qualify the third video as proof of the ISS's existence AND the round nature of the planet.
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Flat earthers would say that it is a hologram or projected image of ISS made by NASA :)
How much shitty garbage nonsense they can give you instead of a simple and straightforward explanation.
When I observe the Universe through my telescope I feel that amazing feeling of exploring distant worlds. It's mind blowing that the light coming through your eyepiece was emitted thousands of years ago. The star is even not there anymore. And what about galaxies? It's even more amazing.
You are so closed minded. You will sit here on earth, look up in the sky and think about firmament and light glued to it. You cannot even explain events like Venus transition over the Sun surface, Eclipses (no matter Solar, Lunar or even eclipses of Jupiter moons), nothing. So pathetic. I pity you.
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Flat earthers would say that it is a hologram or projected image of ISS made by NASA :)
The trouble is, holograms don't work like they do in StarWars.
Light travels in straight lines. In order to be able to see what comes out of a holographic projector (or a holographic surface) - you have to be looking towards that source.
So there is no way to project a hologram up into the sky. The only thing you could do would be to launch a holographic projector up into the sky - and have people look towards it to see the faked ISS.
But if you're going to all that trouble - why wouldn't you just launch a fake ISS?
The reason is that people around the world would all be able to see it at once (like the sun or moon) - and it would be in different places in the sky for different people - which would look visibly wrong UNLESS the projector was at least as high as the ISS is claimed to be by the RET folks.
So, I'm sorry - but "Holographic projectors" arn't the magical things you FE'ers seem to think they are....theories that the moon "is just a hologram" fail that test also.
Really, a VERY small amount of scientific knowledge is all that's needed to debunk these stupid claims.
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I understand this and absolutely agree. Let's see what crap will flat earthers bring into this thread if they even dare to do so. What will they call ISS image? A hologram, a Pokemon?
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This is what an ISS flyover looks like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxRUpzM6JTg
So I should take it on your authority that this is actually a space station?
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This is what an ISS flyover looks like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxRUpzM6JTg
So I should take it on your authority that this is actually a space station?
No need to! Put in your city here (https://spotthestation.nasa.gov/sightings/) grab your telescope and go watch it yourself! As seen in a few other videos in this thread, a telescope affords a pretty good view of it! Alternatively offer a plausible and verifiable explanation of what it is, and how it can be tracked and seen with such ease.
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Flat earthers would say that it is a hologram or projected image of ISS made by NASA :)
How much shitty garbage nonsense they can give you instead of a simple and straightforward explanation.
When I observe the Universe through my telescope I feel that amazing feeling of exploring distant worlds. It's mind blowing that the light coming through your eyepiece was emitted thousands of years ago. The star is even not there anymore. And what about galaxies? It's even more amazing.
You are so closed minded. You will sit here on earth, look up in the sky and think about firmament and light glued to it. You cannot even explain events like Venus transition over the Sun surface, Eclipses (no matter Solar, Lunar or even eclipses of Jupiter moons), nothing. So pathetic. I pity you.
Another eye-opening experience (If you will pardon the pun ! LOL) is a visit to a local astronomical observatory.
Especially one on a low-light-pollution area such as Mc Donald Observatory in Texas.
Flat Earthers could learn a lot, especially on a night Star Party, but they probably are not interested.
Too far from their windows.
Also they would probably say all those stars , planets, nebulae, etc. are just a hologram projected on the dome by NASA.
At Mc Donald, they had some telescopes aimed at Saturn, a Nebula and some other objects.
Flat Earthers would probably say those telescopes just had pictures on them, painted by NASA.
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So I should take it on your authority that this is actually a space station?
You can go to one of the monthly star parties (always at new moon). Astronomers are really friendly. They will show you ISS and maybe even HST. Then when you this in the eyepiece:
(http://wwwcdn.skyandtelescope.com/wp-content/uploads/Dantowitz_STS-117_ISS_250px.jpg)
How can you explain it??? What is it?
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We don't understand which video is true and which is not. Because hoaxing tecnology is developed much. But we can understand whet that mean all rocket launchings not going vertically more than 2 minutes and a half. Its overlaps with normal rocket speed up to 110 kms. Not more.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/l71-UCFgwP4
Yes, hoax videos are getting more sophisticated. But we do (or can) understand which video is true and which is not. Or at least, we have a brain and tools to weed out a significant proportion of fakes. At least for now and the foreseeable future.
That video you gave as a convincing example, is utterly unconvincing. First of all, it's from FXGuru mobile app, available on iOS and Android. Youtube is littered with the same effect. Also, there are so many problems with the video on it's own merits, where to begin? Just like people do with the Apollo moon landing videos, only finding actual problems. (Like - what happened to the destruction in the room? Why is the angle different? Why is there debris floating in the air? Why was the bed not crushed? Why did a satellite fall almost straight down, rather than strafe the neighborhood? Etc. Etc.)
This guy does a great job of debunking significantly better fakes. Watch and learn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8sGTh7ZpoY