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Both the Moon and the Sun move in the same direction, so if the Moon is going down in the video, it means that it is becoming night.No. If the full moon is setting, then the sun is rising. This is clearly demonstrated by the video starting in the dark and ending in light.
Do you explain how and why you doctor every one of your photos?Perhaps you should try demonstrating how editing photos makes NASA untrustworthy, especially when they explain how and why they edit the photos.Yes. She clearly states what she was covering up in the photo...So you're saying that the fact that NASA is revealing exactly how and why an image is being manipulated is evidence that they're hiding something?
I am simply trying to demonstrate that photo-editing is not beneath NASA. I think I was successful when demonstrating this. Obviously, NASA can edit photos and does so frequently. Maybe RE'ers will stop and think about my words before they claim that NASA is completely innocent again (but I doubt it).
They explain how and why when confronted with evidence of their doctoring. They don't give explanations otherwise. That's the sign of a guilty party.
Perhaps you should try demonstrating how editing photos makes NASA untrustworthy, especially when they explain how and why they edit the photos.Yes. She clearly states what she was covering up in the photo...So you're saying that the fact that NASA is revealing exactly how and why an image is being manipulated is evidence that they're hiding something?
I am simply trying to demonstrate that photo-editing is not beneath NASA. I think I was successful when demonstrating this. Obviously, NASA can edit photos and does so frequently. Maybe RE'ers will stop and think about my words before they claim that NASA is completely innocent again (but I doubt it).
Yes. She clearly states what she was covering up in the photo...So you're saying that the fact that NASA is revealing exactly how and why an image is being manipulated is evidence that they're hiding something?
We know where the sun is when the moon is fully eclipsed... it's directly behind the earth, lined up with the earth and moon.But we don't know where the sun is in that video.
Excuses that the sun is "also" refracted 0.5 degrees into the air are meaningless when we see that the required angles of refraction must be significantly more than a 0.5 degrees here and there for any of this to occur.Tom, you do understand what twilight is, don't you?
Then they tamper with the telescopes so you can't dispute the "laws".What about people who make their own telescopes?
Seriously your diagram is depicting what a ray of light from the moon is doing as observed for someone when the moon is directly overhead. Not someone who is seeing it shorty before the end of or shortly after the beginning of an eclipse.That's why I keep asking him to show the umbra and penumbra. The moon can stay totally eclipsed for an hour or more at a time.
Tom, you have to add .5 degrees to both the sun's elevation and the moon's elevation. Also, please make it a ray diagram so that you can see where the umbra and penumbra are (adjusted for refraction).Did you add 1/2 degree of atmospheric refraction like I asked you to? Also, how did you determine the elevation of the sun and moon in your diagram? You may also want to make it a proper ray diagram so that you can see just where the umbra and penumbra are.
This is what 0.5 degrees looks like.That's 1/2 ° for both the sun and the moon by the way. Its not as simple as showing positions and claiming impossible. You have to show the refraction as well. Show lines representing the normal, the atmosphere, etc...
An additional 0.5 degrees doesn't get you to where you need it to be.
How do you know? Have you tried drawing it to scale?
I don't see how a scaled drawing makes the scene any more possible.
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How do you know? Have you tried drawing it to scale?And the other has the earth several times larger than the sun. So it looks like both images are invalid.
The illustration I provided is from the observer's view, who is located at the point where the horizon line and the earth meet. The moon and sun take up approximately 0.5 degrees of the sky. The scene doesn't become any more possible in the illustration if we were to shrink the moon and sun to their appropriate sizes as seen from earth.
Please show us how it is possible for the moon and sun to be in the sky simultaneously in such a scene.If you redraw your picture to scale, add about 1/2 degree of refraction to the elevation of the sun and moon and maybe put the observer on a high hilltop, then you will see for yourself.
And the other has the earth several times larger than the sun. So it looks like both images are invalid.The image is invalid for the following reasons:
1. The little man is over 1/4th the size of the earth's diameter, standing 2000 miles tall, and is able to see over the curvature of the earth to see the sun and moon simultaneously.
Tom, how is:
any more valid that this?
One image depicts ma man who is 2000+ miles tall, looking around the curvature of the earth, and the other does not.
Someone doesn't know markjo.That would be impossible since in the FE model states that both the Sun and the Moon are at the exact same height over the surface of the earth...Where does FET say that?
As a FE model follower you should at least know its literacy:
http://wiki.tfes.org/Sun
http://wiki.tfes.org/Moon
Lol, then why is he even arguing?
Someone doesn't know markjo.
That would be impossible since in the FE model states that both the Sun and the Moon are at the exact same height over the surface of the earth...Where does FET say that?
The image is invalid for the following reasons:
1. The little man is over 1/4th the size of the earth's diameter, standing 2000 miles tall, and is able to see over the curvature of the earth to see the sun and moon simultaneously.
2. The sun is correctly lighting the moon from the top down in your image, as it peeks over the horizon. In the video the sun is lighting the moon from the bottom up as it rises. This remains unexplained.The moon going into an eclipse is lit opposite of the moon coming out of eclipse.
the Shadow Object passes between the sun and the earth, which is impossible unless the shadow object has a orbyt perpendicular to the sun's plane of movement and perpendicular to the earth surfaceIncorrect.
Defend your criticism if you want it to have any validity.
A Solar Eclipse occurs when the moon passes between the observer on earth and the sun, and is the reason why a Solar Eclipse can only be seen on narrow strips of land along the earth's surface and why it happens for different locations at different times during the day.
Aang only ever beat 1 powerful fire bender and did some stuff afterwards.Yeah, but Aang was only 13 (give or take his 100 year nap) when he beat that older, more experienced and powerful fire bender. Aang was also bound and determined not to kill Ozai, which only made the challenge that much greater.
