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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Does history support the Flat Earth Theory?
« on: January 14, 2024, 12:57:27 AM »
One thing that baffles me about existoid's position is that, in its view, it is a necessity that people in the 1930s knew about things we do not know about in the 2020s. To the being which cannot cease to be, it is simply inconceivable that people 90 years ago did not have the knowledge that we still lack to this day.

Where does this inexplicable confidence in the enlightenment of the Nazis come from? Does The Being consider Nazis to be of superior intellect, to the extent where they'd be a century more advanced than we are? It truly boggles the mind.

Once we accept that the Nazis were not inherently superior to the modern man (a thought that I can't imagine being controversial today, but hey-ho, here we are), the entire mystery goes away - they simply did not know the things that we still don't know. It doesn't merit multiple paragraphs of deliberation, because it's a pretty basic concept. And if the persistently-existing being insists that the Nazis were inherently superior... well, it doesn't feel so bad to disagree with it. Back where I'm from, Nazis get punched.

You can substitute the same logic for its inexplicable belief in the Soviets, Iranians, Hamas, the North Korean regime, and the bloodthirsty "Z" orcs (since it apparently does not consider them the same as the Soviets). The existoid appears to be a being that simply cannot cease to put its faith in the inexcusable and reprehensible. A common failing of those who wish to oppose uncomfortable thoughts no matter the cost. :(

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Does history support the Flat Earth Theory?
« on: January 12, 2024, 10:50:05 AM »
German geologists didn't notice that the antartic wasn't as they thought?
Why would it "not be as they thought"? And since when was Hitler a German geologist? I thought he was more of an aspiring artist/dictator.

You people really think scientists are dumbasses, don't you?
Not at all.

Because I don't see how there is really another option besides all governments hidding the true shape or all scientists in history being really stupid to not notice the true shape of the planet.
That sounds like a "you" problem. We can take no responsibility for what you do and don't "see". That said, familiarising yourself with what we actually propose might be a helpful first step here, rather than just assuming that your imagination is correct.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Does history support the Flat Earth Theory?
« on: January 04, 2024, 11:09:02 PM »
I understand that it is a claim among flat earthers that the true shape of the Earth is concealed by all governments.
You're off to a very contentious start - it's not a claim you can easily attribute to all, or even most, FE'ers. It's also certainly not a common position within the Flat Earth Society.

I don't really know if I will be deleted for saying his name, but I think you know who I am referring to
There is no problem with mentioning Hitler's name here in and of itself. Obviously that might change with context.

If we believe that the Earth is flat, the only way to explain why this man never addressed the shape of the earth (not even in his private correspondence, nor even when death was coming) would be to believe that he was, somehow, an agent of the world conspiracy himself.
That's an extreme leap of logic, and one you don't really explain. Why do you believe this is the only possible option? It would be just as well explained by his lack of knowledge or interest in the subject, being a victim of deception himself, or the absence of appropriate historical records.

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I can't disagree, tho I'd counter than a teacher who plagurized and regretted it would get the meesage across better than one who did not.
Yeah, I can see why some path to "redemption" would be desirable. On the flipside, if you make it to the supposed higher echelons of education, are you not a little too "mature" to be making these sort of errors? I honestly don't know the answer here.

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If you have a non-research teacher, not a factor.
Ooh, I strongly disagree! We're talking about universities, and part of a lecturer's job is to perpetuate academic integrity. If they cannot adhere to it themselves, then they do not belong in academia. They can be perfectly good educators outside of the old boys' club, though.

Academics, especially nowadays, are not just teachers. Knowledge is no longer difficult to obtain - you can find free resources covering any subject you'd like to a very advanced level. Universities are supposed to help you figure out how to best acquire and apply knowledge, and a large part of that is upholding the values that brought our current progress forward. These values may yet turn out not to be "correct", and perhaps the entire system will be overturned - but if that is the case, the revolution should come from outside of the system.

Who is charged with defining the act of plagiarism?
So, from a very pragmatic perspective, this is defined by each university's own policies. Of course, there is a general agreement of what does and doesn't count as plagiarism, and if an institution chose to significantly deviate from societal norms, it may lose various accreditations and statuses, but at least in theory they have some wiggle room.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 01, 2024, 12:04:38 AM »
Actually, it's not at all unusual for major party candidates to be on any number of small third party tickets as well.
you get what I mean

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: December 31, 2023, 08:13:00 PM »
Actually, that kinda, sorta already happens during the primaries as each state has its own rules for getting on the ballot.  The party conventions are then held to sort out the party's candidate.  Even then, there are third parties and write-ins that will vary by state in the November ballot.
I mean, suuuure, but you get what I mean. Imagine a scenario in which your victory is almost dictated by how many ballots you can get your name on. It would be exhilirating to watch!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: December 31, 2023, 03:19:18 PM »
I'm not saying this is likely to happen (because, lol, it's not), but a hypothetical future in which each state has different sets of candidates on the ballot would be fascinating. Since America has already volunteered to be the world's Petri dish for flawed-democracy experiments, perhaps y'all should just double down on it.

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Unfortunately humor and a genuine Flat Earth Society doesn't really mix, and this is was Leo Ferarri's problem with his society.
This is an unfortunate problem that I've also personally encountered. Oftentimes, if I made a joke mid-discussion, some idiot would decide that it's impossible to simultaneously be serious about core arguments and have a sense of humour.

Ultimately, the RE mindset is at fault - it is in their best interest to discard controversial thoughts the moment they find an excuse - but it's still prudent to work around it to some extent.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: December 24, 2023, 01:48:38 PM »
Any Democratic politician with a decent record of their own, and yet isn't so high-profile that they've attracted relentless attacks from Republicans on the national level. Someone like, say, Andy Beshear, the surprisingly popular governor of Kentucky.
Wouldn't you be worried about Trump having a potential advantage in a race against a relative nobody? I doubt many people who aren't terminally online/political would know who Andy Beshear is.

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Does this really matter?
You understand that most jokes contain something which isn’t true, which is the bit that makes them funny.
You and I understand that. Unfortunately, a large proportion of RE'ers is much stupider than that. The number of people who were dead serious about it being real has been astonishing, which is probably what pushed Snopes to create the article.

Is it important? It's a small piece of the puzzle in a much larger battle for the adherence to basic truth, but a small step is a step nonetheless.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: December 20, 2023, 10:48:29 PM »
Clearly, the only solution is for the Democrats to replace Biden on the ballot shortly before the election
with whom tho

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: November 14, 2023, 11:23:25 PM »

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: NASA’s Latest Moon Actors
« on: September 21, 2023, 08:35:41 PM »
Does anybody know what he's talking about?
He didn't bother reading the discussion before responding, and he's too proud to do so now, so he's just... saying things. None of it is on topic - which is why he's ranting about multiple observation points in an experiment that only involves one. He also doesn't understand that making RE assumptions in an FE experiment works against his goal, because he does not understand propositional logic.

I already warned him and asked him to stop, so he won't be doing it much longer, one way or another.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: NASA’s Latest Moon Actors
« on: September 20, 2023, 08:48:52 AM »
The hypothesis is that if the earth was flat a leveled telescope sighted on a distant object would maintain that sight line as it moves further away.
No, it emphatically is not. Read the thread before posting again. I will not have you derail it any further.

But it does not, it points every further up making the object appear to sink.
Just asserting it again as fact is unlikely to advance your position. "I said so, duh!" just isn't a sufficient standard of evidence.

Thus the earth is not flat.
Even if we assume your assertion as true (and, naturally, we don't), this does not follow. In fact, your claim above would disprove RE and FE alike.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: NASA’s Latest Moon Actors
« on: September 19, 2023, 11:26:49 PM »
I was not referring specifically to that photo
I'm very happy for you. If at any point you're ready to discuss the actual topic at hand, rather than something you chose seemingly at random, please let us know.

Its the telescope that must be level at each observation point not the ground in between and of course close to the same elevation.
If you want to test a hypothesis, you need to remain true to the hypothesis. Arbitrarily throwing parts of it away will invalidate your results. I get that you'd really like to talk about something else, something that makes you more comfortable, but perhaps you could take that elsewhere, too?

Views of mountains work well for such an exercise but distant skylines or other tall structures work as well if you don't like mountains.
Ah, yes, skylines, those near-perfectly representations of the horizon.

You really don't know what's being discussed here, do you?

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: NASA’s Latest Moon Actors
« on: September 19, 2023, 08:56:55 PM »
Curios that this claimed wave never seems to pass
Fascinating - how have you established this given only the specific picture we're discussing? Were you expecting for the contents of a still photograph to change over time? Yes, friend, the wave in the still photograph does never seem to pass. That's one of the main selling points of photography.

but setting that aside what about observations over land?
Perfectly level land (or reasonably close to), sure - otherwise you're just reintroducing the same issue. Luckily, that would never happen with someone like y-

mountains
Sigh. Try again.

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