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Title: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on March 11, 2014, 05:56:57 AM
I'm sure most of you have heard of this, but for those who haven't: a Malaysian airlines Boeing 777 disappeared shortly after take off about 3 days ago. It was headed to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur and had 200 or so people on board. No confirmed wreckage has been found, and all information usually transmitted from the aircraft ceased when it disappeared.

The media (at least, the Australian media) seems to be jumping on the terrorism bandwagon, due to some dodgy passports. However, the circumstances don't seem to support this theory, as no terrorist groups have claimed responsibility and no parts of the aircraft have been found.

So, what happened?
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: DDDDAts all folks on March 11, 2014, 07:12:31 AM
A future human race abducted them to repopulate the dwindling gene pool.

Or

They had a catastrophic electrical problem.

Or

A pilot went nuts.

Or

A terrorist overpowered the aircraft.


I'm going with the first option.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Snupes on March 11, 2014, 08:01:45 AM
It probably crashed.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 11, 2014, 08:14:19 AM
Silly Malaysians thought the Earth is round and ran out of fuel >o<
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rama Set on March 11, 2014, 10:26:03 AM
The Island got them
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Crudblud on March 11, 2014, 11:02:11 AM
They flew through a rift in spacetime and are now doing battle against dinosaurs with the aid of conveniently placed mounted machine guns.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Lord Dave on March 11, 2014, 12:03:45 PM
I think stolen.

The plane wasn't blown up intentionally otherwise someone would take credit.
The two stolen passports point to illegal activities.  And if they were going to go to being, it seems odd that they'd try that stolen passport thing after landing there.  Getting through once is a miracle.  Getting through twice is next to impossible.

If the pilot or copilot was in on the theft then isn't it possible they disabled the radio signals, took control of the plane, and landed it anywhere they wanted?
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Saddam Hussein on March 11, 2014, 01:17:40 PM
One word: katsung.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rama Set on March 11, 2014, 02:30:23 PM
I think stolen.

The plane wasn't blown up intentionally otherwise someone would take credit.
The two stolen passports point to illegal activities.  And if they were going to go to being, it seems odd that they'd try that stolen passport thing after landing there.  Getting through once is a miracle.  Getting through twice is next to impossible.

If the pilot or copilot was in on the theft then isn't it possible they disabled the radio signals, took control of the plane, and landed it anywhere they wanted?

Seems like there must have been someone on the inside, or with intimate knowledge of how plane transponders work.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: juner on March 11, 2014, 04:53:28 PM
The Island got them
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rushy on March 11, 2014, 06:27:38 PM
The Island got them

It's okay, in three years they'll get off it and become millionaires. Also the one fat guy to survive will never, ever lose any weight.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: fappenhosen on March 11, 2014, 07:24:52 PM
This is evidence of The Conspiracy. Of course The Conspiracy will pretend it was an engine malfunction or something, but really they didn't want people finding out the earth is flat.

I bet one of the passengers looked out of the window when the stewardess specifically told him to put the blinds down.

That's all it takes.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 11, 2014, 07:41:08 PM
I'm getting the vibe that this was a failed terrorist attack. Especially after reading this headline. (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/flight-370-search-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-widened-intensifies-focus-on-land/)
Terrorist attack against who? I don't know. Maybe I'm racist, I dunno.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: markjo on March 11, 2014, 07:52:53 PM
I'm getting the vibe that this was a failed terrorist attack. Especially after reading this headline. (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/flight-370-search-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-widened-intensifies-focus-on-land/)
Terrorist attack against who? I don't know. Maybe I'm racist, I dunno.
*sigh* Fixed the link for you.  ::)
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 11, 2014, 07:57:47 PM
I'm getting the vibe that this was a failed terrorist attack. Especially after reading this headline. (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/flight-370-search-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-widened-intensifies-focus-on-land/)
Terrorist attack against who? I don't know. Maybe I'm racist, I dunno.
*sigh* Fixed the link for you.  ::)

Thank you, kind sir.







 ::)
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on March 11, 2014, 08:56:21 PM
I think stolen.

The plane wasn't blown up intentionally otherwise someone would take credit.
The two stolen passports point to illegal activities.  And if they were going to go to being, it seems odd that they'd try that stolen passport thing after landing there.  Getting through once is a miracle.  Getting through twice is next to impossible.

If the pilot or copilot was in on the theft then isn't it possible they disabled the radio signals, took control of the plane, and landed it anywhere they wanted?

I saw this theory tossed about yesterday on Reddit (durr armchair experts), and it seems to be one of the few that explains nearly everything we know right now despite being incredibly unlikely. It explains the missing debris field, the aircraft disappearing from radar, it possibly turning around, and an eyewitness account of a large aircraft flying low to (presumably) avoid radar. The plane could have traveled fairly far, and the 777 requires only 1200m to land. The only thing it doesn't explain is why no one has contacted us yet, but assuming a remote landing could explain that.

It's also interesting to note that SAR are operating west of the mainland, no where near the last known position of the aircraft.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 11, 2014, 09:07:00 PM
I think stolen.

The plane wasn't blown up intentionally otherwise someone would take credit.
The two stolen passports point to illegal activities.  And if they were going to go to being, it seems odd that they'd try that stolen passport thing after landing there.  Getting through once is a miracle.  Getting through twice is next to impossible.

If the pilot or copilot was in on the theft then isn't it possible they disabled the radio signals, took control of the plane, and landed it anywhere they wanted?

I saw this theory tossed about yesterday on Reddit (durr armchair experts), and it seems to be one of the few that explains nearly everything we know right now despite being incredibly unlikely. It explains the missing debris field, the aircraft disappearing from radar, it possibly turning around, and an eyewitness account of a large aircraft flying low to (presumably) avoid radar. The plane could have traveled fairly far, and the 777 requires only 1200m to land. The only thing it doesn't explain is why no one has contacted us yet, but assuming a remote landing could explain that.

It's also interesting to note that SAR are operating west of the mainland, no where near the last known position of the aircraft.

I think you've convinced me that it was stolen. But for what means?
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rama Set on March 11, 2014, 10:10:02 PM
Who knows what was in the cargo hold. Or maybe they found someone who wanted to but a 777 at a discount.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Thork on March 11, 2014, 10:26:19 PM
Or maybe they found someone who wanted to buy a 777 at a discount.
Ryan Air.

You can't steal a plane. It needs its paperwork to be airworthy. Its useless.
If you wanted to hijack a plane, you'd be making demands by now. 297 people to feed costs a lot of money.
If you were a sovereign state looking to make a point, you'd have made a point by now.
If it was lost, it would have been found by now. Someone on it would have a mobile phone or walked to the nearest village.

Its at the bottom of the sea. I remember that Air France crash over the Pacific in 2009. It took them 2 years to find the wreckage.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 11, 2014, 10:35:30 PM
All I know is, it's missing. Until evidence shows up, people will speculate and come up with crazy theories. It's the natural way of things.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rushy on March 11, 2014, 10:37:47 PM
The most logical conclusion is Thork's. It requires no conspiracy or motivation. The plane malfunctioned and crashed into the ocean. Depending on how it malfunctioned and how it crashed, there might be survivors, but I'd imagine they would have found them by now. As far as I know life rafts are equipped with GPS and what-not. At least the military ones are.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rama Set on March 11, 2014, 10:39:09 PM
Or maybe they found someone who wanted to buy a 777 at a discount.
Ryan Air.

You can't steal a plane. It needs its paperwork to be airworthy. Its useless.
If you wanted to hijack a plane, you'd be making demands by now. 297 people to feed costs a lot of money.
If you were a sovereign state looking to make a point, you'd have made a point by now.
If it was lost, it would have been found by now. Someone on it would have a mobile phone or walked to the nearest village.

Its at the bottom of the sea. I remember that Air France crash over the Pacific in 2009. It took them 2 years to find the wreckage.

The person who wants to buy the plane may also not want to file paperwork. Just saying...
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 11, 2014, 10:41:00 PM
The person who wants to buy the plane may also not want to file paperwork. Just saying...

Yeah, I don't think "terrorists" care about paperwork.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rushy on March 11, 2014, 10:43:03 PM
Yeah, I don't think "terrorists" care about paperwork.

Why would terrorists buy this plane? It isn't like on 9/11 where the terrorists were flying with FAA transponders. The plane would be a known enemy. It'd be shot down over any non-third-world country.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 11, 2014, 10:45:30 PM
Yeah, I don't think "terrorists" care about paperwork.

Why would terrorists buy this plane? It isn't like on 9/11 where the terrorists were flying with FAA transponders. The plane would be a known enemy. It'd be shot down over any non-third-world country.

This is a good point.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Thork on March 11, 2014, 10:49:14 PM
As far as I know life rafts are equipped with GPS and what-not. At least the military ones are.
A plane going nose first into the sea doesn't launch lifeboats.

The person who wants to buy the plane may also not want to file paperwork. Just saying...
But you couldn't fly it anywhere. It couldn't file a flight plan and would be intercepted by fighters as soon as it got near anyone's airspace. Why buy a plane if you are going to do something illegal with it? You'd just steal it yourself. Or hire one.

I'll pre-empt selling it for scrap. Yes a plane is worth a lot in scrap. But everything has a unique part number and so it can't be fitted to an airworthy plane. Also scrap dealers will want to know where you got 300,000 kg of aluminium. You have to have paperwork if you turn up with a few reels of copper cable these days.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 11, 2014, 10:54:27 PM
So what everyone is saying is that reddit was wrong? How could this be?  >o<
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Thork on March 11, 2014, 10:57:00 PM
So what everyone is saying is that reddit was wrong? How could this be?  >o<
Its not the real people from Reddit. Its NSA stooges trying to undermine the community.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: inquisitive on March 11, 2014, 11:05:08 PM
The most logical conclusion is Thork's. It requires no conspiracy or motivation. The plane malfunctioned and crashed into the ocean. Depending on how it malfunctioned and how it crashed, there might be survivors, but I'd imagine they would have found them by now. As far as I know life rafts are equipped with GPS and what-not. At least the military ones are.
How does GPS work over oceans?
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Thork on March 11, 2014, 11:08:28 PM
The most logical conclusion is Thork's. It requires no conspiracy or motivation. The plane malfunctioned and crashed into the ocean. Depending on how it malfunctioned and how it crashed, there might be survivors, but I'd imagine they would have found them by now. As far as I know life rafts are equipped with GPS and what-not. At least the military ones are.
How does GPS work over oceans?
From the bottom of the sea? Not very well. Get out. This isn't Flat Earth Q&A. >o<
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on March 12, 2014, 12:11:40 AM
Or maybe they found someone who wanted to buy a 777 at a discount.
Ryan Air.

You can't steal a plane. It needs its paperwork to be airworthy. Its useless.
If you wanted to hijack a plane, you'd be making demands by now. 297 people to feed costs a lot of money.
If you were a sovereign state looking to make a point, you'd have made a point by now.
If it was lost, it would have been found by now. Someone on it would have a mobile phone or walked to the nearest village.

Its at the bottom of the sea. I remember that Air France crash over the Pacific in 2009. It took them 2 years to find the wreckage.

Yeah, but they still received data from that aircraft as it went down, and they found debris within the first 2 days. It was just the crash itself that they couldn't find, as it was at the bottom of the atlantic. I think I remember reading that the water is only 60m deep in the suspected crash area for MH370, so it would be easier to spot.

Why did the plane stop transmitting all data? There's also that bit of information about the plane turning around, according to military radar. We should also have found debris or bodies by now, even though it's still early days.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on March 12, 2014, 12:43:05 AM
www.cnn.com/2014/03/11/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html

tl;dr the plane turned around and was tracked by military radar until it disappeared again, after the transponder was turned off. So that explains why they were searching on the wrong side of Malaysia.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 12, 2014, 12:45:18 AM
www.cnn.com/2014/03/11/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html

tl;dr the plane turned around and was tracked by military radar until it disappeared again, after the transponder was turned off. So that explains why they were searching on the wrong side of Malaysia.

The media is making it incredibly hard not to come to ridiculous conclusions.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on March 12, 2014, 12:47:24 AM
It is a pretty confounding case. The solution is likely more simple than anyone has guessed, but there's just so many small details involved.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 12, 2014, 12:51:23 AM
It is a pretty confounding case. The solution is likely more simple than anyone has guessed, but there's just so many small details involved.

Probably. Which means it was North Korea.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on March 12, 2014, 12:56:46 AM
Well.. The plane had enough petrol to reach North Korea.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rushy on March 12, 2014, 02:03:47 AM
North Korea doesn't have the willpower, the manpower, or the intelligence to to steal a plane. They had a hard enough time stealing a train from China that was delivered right to them. China used the train to deliver aid, Best Korea was supposed to send the train back, and then proceeded to not send it back.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on March 12, 2014, 02:29:30 AM
North Korea doesn't have the willpower, the manpower, or the intelligence to to steal a plane. They had a hard enough time stealing a train from China that was delivered right to them. China used the train to deliver aid, Best Korea was supposed to send the train back, and then proceeded to not send it back.

Don't you bitcoiners love a good conspiracy?
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 12, 2014, 06:13:57 AM
Naw. It was North Korea.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 12, 2014, 07:56:28 AM
Or maybe they found someone who wanted to buy a 777 at a discount.
Ryan Air.
Well, y'know, they do want to start providing transcontinental flights...
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on March 13, 2014, 01:01:40 AM
Looks like the Chinese have found something.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on March 13, 2014, 09:57:16 AM
This shit just keeps getting weirder. Now the US is saying that the plane flew for hours after it disappeared from radar. (http://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/20apxu/wsj_breaking_news_engine_data_shows_that_plane/)
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Lord Dave on March 13, 2014, 11:11:17 AM
This shit just keeps getting weirder. Now the US is saying that the plane flew for hours after it disappeared from radar. (http://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/20apxu/wsj_breaking_news_engine_data_shows_that_plane/)

You'd think that kind of information would have come out first.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rama Set on March 13, 2014, 12:42:04 PM
Cause the US are so open with information sharing.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: DuckDodgers on March 13, 2014, 01:26:42 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/13/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/
The engine data may not be accurate.  I read a different story this morning that said the engine data stopped shortly before the plane was lost on radar, which was told by the engine manufacturers.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: fappenhosen on March 13, 2014, 04:12:46 PM
I've yet to see any proof that this wasn't The Conspiracy.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: markjo on March 13, 2014, 06:24:30 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/13/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/
The engine data may not be accurate.  I read a different story this morning that said the engine data stopped shortly before the plane was lost on radar, which was told by the engine manufacturers.
Are you suggesting that some random person on reddit is lying?  ???
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: DuckDodgers on March 13, 2014, 06:29:50 PM
Reddit is infallible and if my story contradicts it I'm prepared to retract my statement.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 13, 2014, 07:35:57 PM
Who would go and post lies on the internet? That's absurd.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on March 13, 2014, 07:56:10 PM
Looks like both the Chinese photos and the engine data were false leads. Now the US thinks the airliner has crashed in a certain spot, and are searching for it there. (http://abcnews.go.com/story?id=22894802)
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: DDDDAts all folks on March 13, 2014, 07:56:37 PM
How the hell are they meant to find this thing if they can't get their information right.

The constant misinformation is getting a bit ridiculous.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on March 13, 2014, 08:14:44 PM
It's scary that we still know nothing, everyone is in a frenzy to report anything they can get from anyone involved. It's apparent that the US knows something Malaysian officials don't, hopefully they can take more of a lead in the investigation and find the plane soon.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: DDDDAts all folks on March 14, 2014, 12:13:05 AM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/malaysian-airlines-expands-investigation-to-includ,35524/?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=Default:1:Default

Makes perfect sense :P
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 15, 2014, 06:17:09 PM
Now they're saying the plane didn't crash at all. (http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIw3r659xk)
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rushy on March 15, 2014, 07:02:23 PM
The plane was stolen by aliens for a primitive civilization museum. Prove me wrong.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 15, 2014, 07:13:39 PM
The plane was stolen by aliens for a primitive civilization museum. Prove me wrong.

Sounds as legit as anything I've heard through the media.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Lord Dave on March 15, 2014, 09:27:58 PM
The plane was stolen by aliens for a primitive civilization museum. Prove me wrong.
The galactic alliance doesn't have a primitive civilization museum with actual items.  All items at such museums are virtual reconstructions.  Its cheaper.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rama Set on March 15, 2014, 09:53:48 PM
The plane was stolen by aliens for a primitive civilization museum. Prove me wrong.
The galactic alliance doesn't have a primitive civilization museum with actual items.  All items at such museums are virtual reconstructions.  Its cheaper.

Incredible Cross Sections has a 25 parsec^2 museum spanning 65 quintillion years. It is a quadrillion times bigger than the Star Trek museum. Another victory for Star Wars!
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: spoon on March 15, 2014, 09:59:41 PM
It's useless.
You're useless.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rushy on March 15, 2014, 11:01:19 PM
The plane was stolen by aliens for a primitive civilization museum. Prove me wrong.
The galactic alliance doesn't have a primitive civilization museum with actual items.  All items at such museums are virtual reconstructions.  Its cheaper.

The museum I'm referring to acquires actual specimens in order to compete with virtual museums.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Lord Dave on March 15, 2014, 11:48:30 PM
The plane was stolen by aliens for a primitive civilization museum. Prove me wrong.
The galactic alliance doesn't have a primitive civilization museum with actual items.  All items at such museums are virtual reconstructions.  Its cheaper.

The museum I'm referring to acquires actual specimens in order to compete with virtual museums.
You're not talking about that back water, ignorant museum catering to the "young galaxy" people are you?
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rushy on March 16, 2014, 01:34:17 AM
The museum I'm referring to acquires actual specimens in order to compete with virtual museums.
You're not talking about that back water, ignorant museum catering to the "young galaxy" people are you?

Well, yes and no. I do get the feeling we're talking about different kinds of museums, though. The kind I'm talking about is more, uhh, interactive.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Tau on March 16, 2014, 05:32:57 AM
I say they're in a zoo somewhere in a distant star system, trying in vain to explain our strange three dimensional existence to perplexed tralfamadorians.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Thork on March 16, 2014, 08:32:30 PM
I have a new theory.

(https://nonamemovieblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/varan-swat.png?w=640&h=360)
It's right in Godzilla's backyard.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: DDDDAts all folks on March 17, 2014, 06:45:07 PM
I know what happened.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bi5hFrNCQAAuF2K.jpg)

They made a wrong turn and ended up on the moon. I bet the passengers are eating all the moon shrimp as we speak.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: fappenhosen on March 17, 2014, 07:54:41 PM
Followed up by "Missing Plane Found On Moon Vanishes"
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 17, 2014, 10:09:00 PM
They're probably all dead if it's on the Moon. The Man on the Moon hates visitors.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rushy on March 18, 2014, 01:09:38 AM
It bothers the shit out of me that no one knows what happened to this goddamn airplane.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Lord Dave on March 18, 2014, 01:34:57 AM
It bothers the shit out of me that no one knows what happened to this goddamn airplane.

Someone knows.
They just don't want to reveal it until they're ready.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on March 18, 2014, 02:11:26 AM
It bothers the shit out of me that no one knows what happened to this goddamn airplane.

Someone knows.
They just don't want to reveal it until they're ready.

That's one conspiracy theory, yes.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: rooster on March 18, 2014, 03:38:11 PM
It bothers the shit out of me that no one knows what happened to this goddamn airplane.
Same here. I've been following the news on it and it's just driving me crazy at this point. That's a lot of damn people suddenly going silent.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: fappenhosen on March 18, 2014, 04:43:14 PM
It doesn't bother me that much. It does make me realise the weakness of "black boxes", but apparently some pilots union didn't want flight information getting uploaded all the time. 'Cos privacy. There's your conspiracy.

Now watch how no one gives a fuck about this (cos its complicated) and instead focuses on CIA/FBI/NSA/NRA/soviet rockets/sea monsters/Kennedy family.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rama Set on March 18, 2014, 05:07:26 PM
I was amazed when I learned it was simple to turn off a flight recorder.  That totally defeats the purpose no?
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: rooster on March 18, 2014, 05:42:23 PM
Sure the black box thing sucks, but not one of those people used their cellphones? Have they even looked in to see if anyone made any calls or texts after the last recording?
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Lord Dave on March 18, 2014, 05:57:48 PM
Sure the black box thing sucks, but not one of those people used their cellphones? Have they even looked in to see if anyone made any calls or texts after the last recording?
Not a whole lot of cell towers over the pacific or Indian ocean.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: rooster on March 18, 2014, 06:10:44 PM
Sure the black box thing sucks, but not one of those people used their cellphones? Have they even looked in to see if anyone made any calls or texts after the last recording?
Not a whole lot of cell towers over the pacific or Indian ocean.
They weren't over the middle of  an ocean though.
If they went back towards the Indian Ocean they would have passed back over land. And what's the tower range around the Gulf of Thailand? It's still hard to believe nothing came after the last contact point.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: fappenhosen on March 18, 2014, 06:13:02 PM
Sure the black box thing sucks, but not one of those people used their cellphones? Have they even looked in to see if anyone made any calls or texts after the last recording?

I was going to take the piss. But then I thought actually they could see if any of the phones come "back on the grid".

NSA I choose YOU!

(http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110831173127/pokemon/images/c/c0/IL001-_Pok%C3%A9mon_-_I_Choose_You_03.png)
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 18, 2014, 06:16:16 PM
(http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110831173127/pokemon/images/c/c0/IL001-_Pok%C3%A9mon_-_I_Choose_You_03.png)

That's a Voltorb.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rama Set on March 18, 2014, 06:24:43 PM
Sure the black box thing sucks, but not one of those people used their cellphones? Have they even looked in to see if anyone made any calls or texts after the last recording?
Not a whole lot of cell towers over the pacific or Indian ocean.
They weren't over the middle of  an ocean though.
If they went back towards the Indian Ocean they would have passed back over land. And what's the tower range around the Gulf of Thailand? It's still hard to believe nothing came after the last contact point.

Mobiles generally dont work at cruising altitude either.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 18, 2014, 06:27:22 PM
"They" have also checked for phone calls, according to this article:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/18/travel/malaysia-airlines-no-phone-calls/ (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/18/travel/malaysia-airlines-no-phone-calls/)

Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: rooster on March 18, 2014, 06:27:39 PM
Sure the black box thing sucks, but not one of those people used their cellphones? Have they even looked in to see if anyone made any calls or texts after the last recording?
Not a whole lot of cell towers over the pacific or Indian ocean.
They weren't over the middle of  an ocean though.
If they went back towards the Indian Ocean they would have passed back over land. And what's the tower range around the Gulf of Thailand? It's still hard to believe nothing came after the last contact point.

Mobiles generally dont work at cruising altitude either.
Citation needed.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 18, 2014, 06:29:14 PM
Citation needed.

"They" have also checked for phone calls, according to this article:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/18/travel/malaysia-airlines-no-phone-calls/ (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/18/travel/malaysia-airlines-no-phone-calls/)
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: rooster on March 18, 2014, 06:38:48 PM
Citation needed.

"They" have also checked for phone calls, according to this article:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/18/travel/malaysia-airlines-no-phone-calls/ (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/18/travel/malaysia-airlines-no-phone-calls/)
But it's still speculation and still being investigated.

The plane could have come low enough for phones to register with a tower at some point.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 18, 2014, 06:41:32 PM
But it's still speculation and still being investigated.

The plane could have come low enough for phones to register with a tower at some point.

It's certainly a possibility, but it's doubtful. They're probably all dead and miles under the sea, and if for some reason they did land the plane... no one seems to be reaching out, which also points to at least the passengers being dead. Of course, they could have landed the plane in a remote area with no cell coverage, and not everyone has long distance roaming plans, so some of them probably wouldn't even be able to make calls.

"Check the cell records" is such an obvious first step in an investigation, if something was found I'm sure we'd have heard about it by now, it would be breaking news.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rama Set on March 18, 2014, 06:42:18 PM
Sure the black box thing sucks, but not one of those people used their cellphones? Have they even looked in to see if anyone made any calls or texts after the last recording?
Not a whole lot of cell towers over the pacific or Indian ocean.
They weren't over the middle of  an ocean though.
If they went back towards the Indian Ocean they would have passed back over land. And what's the tower range around the Gulf of Thailand? It's still hard to believe nothing came after the last contact point.

Mobiles generally dont work at cruising altitude either.
Citation needed.

http://www.datasync.com/~rsf1/cell-air.htm
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: rooster on March 18, 2014, 06:54:23 PM
But it's still speculation and still being investigated.

The plane could have come low enough for phones to register with a tower at some point.

It's certainly a possibility, but it's doubtful. They're probably all dead and miles under the sea, and if for some reason they did land the plane... no one seems to be reaching out, which also points to at least the passengers being dead. Of course, they could have landed the plane in a remote area with no cell coverage, and not everyone has long distance roaming plans, so some of them probably wouldn't even be able to make calls.

"Check the cell records" is such an obvious first step in an investigation, if something was found I'm sure we'd have heard about it by now, it would be breaking news.
Yeah, I just assume they're all dead under the water. So maybe they were cruising too high and then falling too fast for there ever to be phone service.

OR the plane just went up into space.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: DDDDAts all folks on March 18, 2014, 07:02:03 PM
I wonder how long the plane could stay in the air for before it ran out of fuel? Was it within the same time frame of the last known communication with the plane?

I think it's a little odd that military radar didn't seem to pick up a change in the planes flight path. They might have shot it down and their not telling anyone.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 18, 2014, 07:04:38 PM
They might have shot it down and their not telling anyone.

Interesting theory.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: DDDDAts all folks on March 18, 2014, 07:13:52 PM
They might have shot it down and their not telling anyone.

Interesting theory.

Thanks it took me days to come up with.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on March 18, 2014, 08:55:20 PM
What if Malysia shot it down, after the plane went off course and the army got jumpy, and now they're shitting buckets worrying about China discovring that they just killed 200 of their people.

"Plane, what plane? No, no, mr China, I think you must be thinking of somewhere else. Mexico, maybe?..."
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 18, 2014, 08:59:37 PM
Next they're going to start spreading UFO disinfo to cover up the fact that they shot down their own plane.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on March 18, 2014, 09:00:19 PM
That link did a good job explaining why they had no reception. They simply didn't fly low enough to get any. There's also the possibility of the crew being incapacitated.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 18, 2014, 11:11:58 PM
New development (http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/hyderabad-techie-uploads-satellite-image-of-missing-plane-on-cnn-site/article5801884.ece)

Apparently some "Hyderabad techie" uploaded a "satellite image" of the missing aircraft..
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 19, 2014, 10:49:33 AM
Mobiles generally dont work at cruising altitude either.
Citation needed.
Far from a citation, but Rama's claim is consistent with my own observation. I'm that one douche that's often too lazy to switch my phone off (or put it in "airplane mode"), and my phone never picked up signal until shortly before landing. So, as long as they didn't land somewhere that has mobile coverage, they'd be completely undetected.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: DDDDAts all folks on March 19, 2014, 11:00:15 AM
Perhaps a signal from a mobile phone that was left on interfered with the electronics of the plane causing it to do weird things.




Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 19, 2014, 11:07:14 AM
Perhaps a signal from a mobile phone that was left on interfered with the electronics of the plane causing it to do weird things.
Yes, and petrol stations blow up if you use a phone close to the pumps.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on March 19, 2014, 11:16:27 AM
Mobiles generally dont work at cruising altitude either.
Citation needed.
Far from a citation, but Rama's claim is consistent with my own observation. I'm that one douche that's often too lazy to switch my phone off (or put it in "airplane mode"), and my phone never picked up signal until shortly before landing. So, as long as they didn't land somewhere that has mobile coverage, they'd be completely undetected.

I think that still leaves heaps of places to land.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 19, 2014, 11:28:03 AM
I think that still leaves heaps of places to land.
Absolutely.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rama Set on March 19, 2014, 11:53:13 AM
Mobiles generally dont work at cruising altitude either.
Citation needed.
Far from a citation, but Rama's claim is consistent with my own observation.

In correct:

"Broadly, a citation is a reference to a published or unpublished source (not always the original source). "

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citation
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 19, 2014, 12:03:34 PM
"Broadly, a citation is a reference to a published or unpublished source (not always the original source). "

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citation
I stand corrected. I was only aware of the stricter definition outlined later in the article.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: DDDDAts all folks on March 19, 2014, 12:27:27 PM
Perhaps a signal from a mobile phone that was left on interfered with the electronics of the plane causing it to do weird things.
Yes, and petrol stations blow up if you use a phone close to the pumps.

The probability is remote however it is possible that a mobile phone could cause a fire at a petrol station.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 19, 2014, 12:38:55 PM
The probability is remote however it is possible that a mobile phone could cause a fire at a petrol station.
Well, yes, so could shoes. We should ban those too.

Quote from: http://www.hse.gov.uk/fireandexplosion/petroleum-faqs.htm
Are you allowed to use mobile phones at petrol filling stations?

Generally mobile telephones are not designed and certified for use in explosive atmospheres. Their use can also create a serious distraction for people carrying out dispensing activities. Radio transmissions from individual mobile telephones are generally too low to induce dangerous electric currents in nearby equipment and the risk of incendive sparking from the battery is low, however, they should not be used in the hazardous areas that exist when actually dispensing petrol. Neither should they be used in the hazardous areas around the fill and vent pipes during petrol deliveries.

Rather than applying a total prohibition on the use of mobile telephones on petrol forecourts which has resulted in some anomalies and frequent abuse to staff, the following controls are recommended:

   
  • Mobile telephones should not be used by customers or forecourt staff whilst actually dispensing petrol into fuel tanks or containers;
  • During petrol deliveries mobile telephones should not be used on those parts of the site that have been designated as hazardous areas by the site operator or the driver;
  • Mobile telephones should not be used during other petrol handling operations or during the maintenance of petrol equipment unless a specific assessment shows the risks are negligible;
  • There is no need to restrict the use of mobile telephones, with respect to the safe keeping of petrol, at other times or in other areas of the forecourt. This includes in the shop, in motor vehicles parked on the forecourt or in other non-hazardous areas.

The use of radio equipment fitted on emergency vehicles and citizen band (CB) radios may create an ignition risk. These types of transmitting equipment do have a power output sufficient to induce dangerous electrical currents in nearby fixtures and they should not be allowed to be used at the dispensing points or in the vicinity of the road tanker when unloading. It should be noted that the radio equipment mounted on most emergency vehicles is under automatic interrogation from the base station. This means that radio messages are being received and transmitted without anyone speaking into a hand set. The Home Office has issued the emergency services with separate advice on the use of radios and CB equipment in the vicinity of filling stations.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: DDDDAts all folks on March 19, 2014, 01:29:51 PM
The probability is remote however it is possible that a mobile phone could cause a fire at a petrol station.
Well, yes, so could shoes. We should ban those too.

Quote from: http://www.hse.gov.uk/fireandexplosion/petroleum-faqs.htm
Are you allowed to use mobile phones at petrol filling stations?

Generally mobile telephones are not designed and certified for use in explosive atmospheres. Their use can also create a serious distraction for people carrying out dispensing activities. Radio transmissions from individual mobile telephones are generally too low to induce dangerous electric currents in nearby equipment and the risk of incendive sparking from the battery is low, however, they should not be used in the hazardous areas that exist when actually dispensing petrol. Neither should they be used in the hazardous areas around the fill and vent pipes during petrol deliveries.

Rather than applying a total prohibition on the use of mobile telephones on petrol forecourts which has resulted in some anomalies and frequent abuse to staff, the following controls are recommended:

   
  • Mobile telephones should not be used by customers or forecourt staff whilst actually dispensing petrol into fuel tanks or containers;
  • During petrol deliveries mobile telephones should not be used on those parts of the site that have been designated as hazardous areas by the site operator or the driver;
  • Mobile telephones should not be used during other petrol handling operations or during the maintenance of petrol equipment unless a specific assessment shows the risks are negligible;
  • There is no need to restrict the use of mobile telephones, with respect to the safe keeping of petrol, at other times or in other areas of the forecourt. This includes in the shop, in motor vehicles parked on the forecourt or in other non-hazardous areas.

The use of radio equipment fitted on emergency vehicles and citizen band (CB) radios may create an ignition risk. These types of transmitting equipment do have a power output sufficient to induce dangerous electrical currents in nearby fixtures and they should not be allowed to be used at the dispensing points or in the vicinity of the road tanker when unloading. It should be noted that the radio equipment mounted on most emergency vehicles is under automatic interrogation from the base station. This means that radio messages are being received and transmitted without anyone speaking into a hand set. The Home Office has issued the emergency services with separate advice on the use of radios and CB equipment in the vicinity of filling stations.

Ok, I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. You seem to be reinforcing my point.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 19, 2014, 06:38:45 PM
Ok, I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. You seem to be reinforcing my point.
You had a point?

You made a snarky remark about an antiquated urban legend, I responded by citing another urban legend, assuming we're both in on the joke. You then asserted that this urban legend is partially true, and I posted something that shows it not to be the case.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Shane on March 20, 2014, 04:20:06 AM
So a commercial plane can disappear with the flip of a switch? Why?
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rushy on March 20, 2014, 04:52:28 AM
There isn't a spot on Earth that isn't being radar'd to death by one nation or another, and commercial airplanes don't exactly have small radar signatures. Someone knows where this plane is and for whatever reason, isn't saying anything or is purposefully hiding it.

Definitely illuminati.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Shane on March 20, 2014, 05:20:19 AM
What is to gain by this? Or by hiding this?
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rushy on March 20, 2014, 05:22:06 AM
What is to gain by this? Or by hiding this?

Most countries would refrain from saying something in order to prevent disclosure of their full radar capabilities, at least that is the most logical reason without resorting to straight conspiracy bullshit.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Shane on March 20, 2014, 05:30:52 AM
I feel as though the US monitors the world, and knows. I could be wrong, but is there a place on earth the US cannot see? I doubt it
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on March 20, 2014, 10:23:34 AM
There isn't a spot on Earth that isn't being radar'd to death by one nation or another, and commercial airplanes don't exactly have small radar signatures. Someone knows where this plane is and for whatever reason, isn't saying anything or is purposefully hiding it.

Definitely illuminati.

Not true. There's heaps of areas that aren't actively or intensely monitored. Australia is supposed to have amazing radar, apparently capable of detecting the type of plane taking off at Changi airport in Singapore, but Tony Abbott just held a press conference regarding suspicious debris off the west coast (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-20/raaf-en-route-to-possible-debris-from-mh370-in-indian-ocean/5334314). Then again,  a military spokesman chose not to comment on this when asked why our radar didn't detect anything. (http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/could-vital-info-be-down-under-1.520539)
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: fappenhosen on March 20, 2014, 04:52:01 PM
Perhaps a signal from a mobile phone that was left on interfered with the electronics of the plane causing it to do weird things.
Yes, and petrol stations blow up if you use a phone close to the pumps.

The probability is remote however it is possible that a mobile phone could cause a fire at a petrol station.

If you're worried about something causing a fire at a petrol station I would look for high voltage electrical switching systems. These are used by terrorists to generate collapsing magnetic fields that briefly generate deadly electrical currents, causing a spark that can be several millimetres across. According to my local sheriffs department, who put out a warning this morning, in the past this wasn't a problem because such systems are quite heavy. But terrorists (Al Qaeda) have recently discovered a way of moving these "dirty bombs" around on wheels, meaning they can just "drive" it onto the forecourt.

Of course you won't hear about this in the lamestream media because Obama doesn't want you to know the danger you are constantly under.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Thork on March 20, 2014, 06:49:13 PM
(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/s526x395/1601056_10153928175830084_1573357349_n.jpg)
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: juner on March 20, 2014, 08:19:46 PM
(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/s526x395/1601056_10153928175830084_1573357349_n.jpg)

See, it is funny because no one knows where the plane depicted in the bottom image is located at the moment. 
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on March 20, 2014, 08:56:18 PM
F-22 is 'stealthier' than a B-2.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: DDDDAts all folks on March 20, 2014, 09:24:30 PM
Perhaps a signal from a mobile phone that was left on interfered with the electronics of the plane causing it to do weird things.
Yes, and petrol stations blow up if you use a phone close to the pumps.

The probability is remote however it is possible that a mobile phone could cause a fire at a petrol station.

If you're worried about something causing a fire at a petrol station I would look for high voltage electrical switching systems. These are used by terrorists to generate collapsing magnetic fields that briefly generate deadly electrical currents, causing a spark that can be several millimetres across. According to my local sheriffs department, who put out a warning this morning, in the past this wasn't a problem because such systems are quite heavy. But terrorists (Al Qaeda) have recently discovered a way of moving these "dirty bombs" around on wheels, meaning they can just "drive" it onto the forecourt.

Of course you won't hear about this in the lamestream media because Obama doesn't want you to know the danger you are constantly under.

Signal jammers. They've been around for years.

I'm not worried. The probability of a mobile phone causing a fire at a petrol station is remote.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Thork on March 21, 2014, 12:10:49 AM
F-22 is 'stealthier' than a B-2.
False.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/stealth-aircraft-rcs.htm
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rushy on March 21, 2014, 01:43:35 AM
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/stealth-aircraft-rcs.htm

This is one of the most broken sites I've encountered in a long time.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: markjo on March 21, 2014, 02:23:55 AM
If you're worried about something causing a fire at a petrol station I would look for high voltage electrical switching systems. These are used by terrorists to generate collapsing magnetic fields that briefly generate deadly electrical currents, causing a spark that can be several millimetres across. According to my local sheriffs department, who put out a warning this morning, in the past this wasn't a problem because such systems are quite heavy. But terrorists (Al Qaeda) have recently discovered a way of moving these "dirty bombs" around on wheels, meaning they can just "drive" it onto the forecourt.
I'd be more worried about sparks from static build up when you get in and out of your vehicle while the gas is pumping.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuZxFL9cGkI
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: fappenhosen on March 21, 2014, 08:13:28 PM
I'd be more worried about sparks from static build up when you get in and out of your vehicle while the gas is pumping.

That's what they want you to think. "Static" electricity was disproven over 100 years ago.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 24, 2014, 07:46:16 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/24/mh370-indian-ocean_n_5020832.html

Looks like the mystery has been solved, supposedly.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: DDDDAts all folks on March 24, 2014, 07:53:10 PM
Where it probably crashed has been solved, but what happened is still open to debate.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on March 24, 2014, 08:27:16 PM
Yep, it's not officially over until we get the black box and see what the hell went wrong.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Lord Dave on March 24, 2014, 08:48:49 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/24/mh370-indian-ocean_n_5020832.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/24/mh370-indian-ocean_n_5020832.html)

Looks like the mystery has been solved, supposedly.
No mystery has been solved.
All they did was state "Everyone you love is likely dead.  Sorry."
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 24, 2014, 08:54:58 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/24/mh370-indian-ocean_n_5020832.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/24/mh370-indian-ocean_n_5020832.html)

Looks like the mystery has been solved, supposedly.
No mystery has been solved.
All they did was state "Everyone you live is likely dead.  Sorry."

supposedly
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Lord Dave on March 24, 2014, 09:07:33 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/24/mh370-indian-ocean_n_5020832.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/24/mh370-indian-ocean_n_5020832.html)

Looks like the mystery has been solved, supposedly.
No mystery has been solved.
All they did was state "Everyone you love is likely dead.  Sorry."

supposedly
They supposedly stated that "everyone you love is likely dead."?
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on March 24, 2014, 09:09:59 PM
They supposedly stated that "everyone you love is likely dead."?

Let's just go with that...  ::)
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: markjo on March 25, 2014, 02:19:26 AM
Yep, it's not officially over until we get the black box and see what the hell went wrong.
Assuming that the relevant data hasn't been overwritten.  If the plane really had been flying for several hours after disappearing, then the data recorders may not be any help at all.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on March 25, 2014, 07:35:04 AM
Yep, it's not officially over until we get the black box and see what the hell went wrong.
Assuming that the relevant data hasn't been overwritten.  If the plane really had been flying for several hours after disappearing, then the data recorders may not be any help at all.

The audio ones yeah, but the flight data should all be there.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: fappenhosen on March 25, 2014, 10:49:31 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/24/mh370-indian-ocean_n_5020832.html

Looks like the mystery has been solved, supposedly.

Every mystery has a solution: Q. Who killed JFK? A. The intergalactic reptilian shape-shifters. Another mystery solved.

Basically they don't know shit so they're scaling back the definition of solved.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: markjo on March 25, 2014, 04:21:04 PM
Yep, it's not officially over until we get the black box and see what the hell went wrong.
Assuming that the relevant data hasn't been overwritten.  If the plane really had been flying for several hours after disappearing, then the data recorders may not be any help at all.

The audio ones yeah, but the flight data should all be there.
Check me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that the flight data recorders only keep the last 1 hour or so of data.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Antonio on March 25, 2014, 06:18:58 PM
Yep, it's not officially over until we get the black box and see what the hell went wrong.
Assuming that the relevant data hasn't been overwritten.  If the plane really had been flying for several hours after disappearing, then the data recorders may not be any help at all.

The audio ones yeah, but the flight data should all be there.
Check me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that the flight data recorders only keep the last 1 hour or so of data.
It really depends on the DFDR installed. For instance, on early Air France 320s  it records something like 20 hours. On several CRJs it's about 90-120 hours. 
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: rooster on March 28, 2014, 02:05:07 PM
It was the Muslims.
https://tv.yahoo.com/news/jon-stewart-shreds-cnn-fox-news-flight-370-134900827.html
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 28, 2014, 08:06:12 PM
It was the Muslims.
https://tv.yahoo.com/news/jon-stewart-shreds-cnn-fox-news-flight-370-134900827.html
Again? Damn it, I don't want 'mericans to beef up airport security again :(
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: fappenhosen on March 29, 2014, 06:33:09 PM
Fox News wanted to know how so many muslims managed to get on a plane.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: rooster on March 29, 2014, 07:03:00 PM
Fox News wanted to know how so many muslims managed to get on a plane.
It's suspicious.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rama Set on March 29, 2014, 07:52:51 PM
Fox News wanted to know how so many muslims managed to get on a plane.

I could not watch the video.  Is that for real what they wanted to know?
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: markjo on March 29, 2014, 08:32:32 PM
Fox News wanted to know how so many muslims managed to get on a plane.
(http://editorial.designtaxi.com/news-politicalposters1509/11.jpg)
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: rooster on March 29, 2014, 11:35:57 PM
Fox News wanted to know how so many muslims managed to get on a plane.

I could not watch the video.  Is that for real what they wanted to know?
Since there were so many Muslims on board and both pilots were Muslims they thought people should be investigating to see if they had any extremist political connections. They failed to note that Islam is the major religion in Malaysia.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on March 30, 2014, 04:47:27 AM
lol, American news outlets.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: DDDDAts all folks on April 06, 2014, 08:09:02 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26908884

Hopefully they've found it.


Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on April 06, 2014, 09:05:17 AM
Someone on Reddit said they'd know if it were the flight recorder or not from the signal itself, they're just being cautious about speaking with certainty given all the false leads. So this looks like it might be it.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on April 06, 2014, 09:49:14 AM
Looks like an Australian vessel has detected the signal today as well:

http://english.astroawani.com/news/show/mh370-another-pulse-signal-detected-on-sunday-33319
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on April 07, 2014, 05:15:26 PM
Someone on Reddit said they'd know if it were the flight recorder or not from the signal itself, they're just being cautious about speaking with certainty given all the false leads. So this looks like it might be it.

"Someone on Reddit"
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Pete Svarrior on April 07, 2014, 08:40:03 PM
"Someone on Reddit"
I'm sorry, are you trying to dispute the academic judgement of the University of Reddit?
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on April 08, 2014, 01:02:39 AM
Someone on Reddit said they'd know if it were the flight recorder or not from the signal itself, they're just being cautious about speaking with certainty given all the false leads. So this looks like it might be it.

"Someone on Reddit"

Do you think people would lie on the internet?
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on April 08, 2014, 09:51:32 AM
This is what we're up against:

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/world/the-depth-of-the-problem/931/
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: fappenhosen on April 08, 2014, 11:33:36 PM
See I liked that. I leanred a lot yet was filled with despare and dread.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: pilot172 on April 13, 2014, 11:45:42 AM
remember guys they are looking for a tiny object in a very large and very deep ocean theres only a couple of vehicles thatll be able to reach the depths the aircraft would of sunk to. and as for the government coverup
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzhniki_disaster#Media_coverage

yes goverments do oh so well at that coverup business
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rushy on April 13, 2014, 02:11:48 PM
remember guys they are looking for a tiny object in a very large and very deep ocean theres only a couple of vehicles thatll be able to reach the depths the aircraft would of sunk to. and as for the government coverup
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzhniki_disaster#Media_coverage

yes goverments do oh so well at that coverup business

Yes, there are only three times any government has ever tried to cover something up. I'm glad all the other governments won't be trying that again.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on April 13, 2014, 04:37:33 PM
Pilot, you forgot 9/11 on that list.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: fappenhosen on April 13, 2014, 04:46:17 PM
And Hurricane Sandy Hook Masacre At Jack Ruby Ridge
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 14, 2014, 05:42:10 PM
Theory 22: Pilot landed airplane on island in the Indian Ocean that still has a WW2 runway after killing the pilot and releasing cabin pressure killing the passengers. Earlier, tracking would have been turned off. Now, a terrorist organization could have a fueled up, untrackable, 777 ready for a terrorist attack a their descresion.

Open to questions...
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on April 14, 2014, 05:44:20 PM
Theory 22: Pilot landed airplane on island in the Indian Ocean that still has a WW2 runway after killing the pilot and releasing cabin pressure killing the passengers. Earlier, tracking would have been turned off. Now, a terrorist organization could have a fueled up, untrackable, 777 ready for a terrorist attack a their descresion.

Open to questions...

Unauthorized plane flying without any sort of permission over US/other world power territories? That's suicide for the terrorists, and not a "jihad suicide" either. A stupid one. Well, they're all stupid... but it wouldn't get any results other than getting themselves blown up.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 14, 2014, 05:48:28 PM
Who is honestly going to shoot down a 777 that May or may not have passengers? The risk is too high even if there is no authorization. Plus you only need authorization to takeoff or land, not fly over airspace. Especially airspace in Asia or the Middle East where regulation of airspace is very limited.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on April 14, 2014, 05:55:55 PM
Who is honestly going to shoot down a 777 that May or may not have passengers?

Put me in charge and I'd do it in a second.

*malicious grin*
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 14, 2014, 05:59:20 PM
Then you would be labeled as a terrorist. What if it's not the right airplane, just one with a faulty radio? Plus, the altitude that 777s fly at are too high for any weapons you would be able to acquire, much less use with enough accuracy to take down the airplane.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: markjo on April 14, 2014, 07:00:21 PM
Who is honestly going to shoot down a 777 that May or may not have passengers?
Who indeed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airliner_shootdown_incidents
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 14, 2014, 07:10:31 PM
Who is honestly going to shoot down a 777 that May or may not have passengers?
Who indeed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airliner_shootdown_incidents
Ok, you and what army will identify this airplane, travel to the right location, then use your combined small arms power (or expensive missiles) to take down the airplane in the time it takes to take the airplane off and fly it to the area of the terrorist attack. All of the above incidents were either by chance, or a group attacking an airplane they had known was going to be somewhere at a certain time. It could be on its way now and you wouldn't hear of it until after the incident happened. By then, I have calculated that you will be pretty late to pull off your vigilante plans.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on April 14, 2014, 08:08:22 PM
Ok, you and what army will identify this airplane, travel to the right location, then use your combined small arms power (or expensive missiles) to take down the airplane in the time it takes to take the airplane off and fly it to the area of the terrorist attack. All of the above incidents were either by chance, or a group attacking an airplane they had known was going to be somewhere at a certain time. It could be on its way now and you wouldn't hear of it until after the incident happened. By then, I have calculated that you will be pretty late to pull off your vigilante plans.

Are you assuming that I have some sort of anti-air missile launcher? Because I don't...
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 14, 2014, 08:11:18 PM
I was assuming you didn't. Although i it came across that you did, the NSA could detain you and the potato god would be rid of another enemy.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on April 14, 2014, 08:53:19 PM
Who is honestly going to shoot down a 777 that May or may not have passengers? The risk is too high even if there is no authorization. Plus you only need authorization to takeoff or land, not fly over airspace. Especially airspace in Asia or the Middle East where regulation of airspace is very limited.

We're living in a post 9/11 world here. The US would shoot down a passenger plane in a heartbeat if they thought it could become a weapon.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 14, 2014, 08:59:11 PM
America would never shoot on passenger airplane. Plus, looking at the area it is in, America is not even an ideal target. North of the Indian Ocean, India has more than twice the population density and less of a chance to prevent an attack. Northwest is the middle  eastern oilfields, another great target. Even crashing it into the Ukraine or Russia to cause more unrest could be a possibility. Not to mention china...
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on April 14, 2014, 09:21:55 PM
America would never shoot on passenger airplane. Plus, looking at the area it is in, America is not even an ideal target. North of the Indian Ocean, India has more than twice the population density and less of a chance to prevent an attack. Northwest is the middle  eastern oilfields, another great target. Even crashing it into the Ukraine or Russia to cause more unrest could be a possibility. Not to mention china...

I don't think a terrorist's main MO is to kill the most people as possible. They usually have some agenda and many extremists dislike the US, so there's motive right there. Also, why do you think the US wouldn't fire on an airplane with civilians in it? We've done more fucked up things before, see: Hiroshima.

Also, if there's an unidentified plane flying around the US with no record that it should be in the sky, then what is the possibility that the terrorists stopped to pick up civilians? Almost none. They would shoot it down first and ask questions later.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 15, 2014, 02:30:04 AM
But no permission is required for nonmilitant aircraft to enter US airspace unless specifically requested, which, due to the large number of flights entering the US is not feasible to check each one. Why do you believe that the terrorists would attack the US? We hardly lead the running for most acts if terror. Britain, France, the Middle East, and even parts of Africa are ahead of us. Also 777s have enough fuel capacity oh go at least halfway around the world without stopping. And in regard to Hiroshima, politicians would NEVER attack an aircraft that might have civilians on it because of the effect it may have in their career. Same with continued use of nukes with disregard to building them, thats ok. 
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Lord Dave on April 15, 2014, 09:42:55 AM
But no permission is required for nonmilitant aircraft to enter US airspace unless specifically requested, which, due to the large number of flights entering the US is not feasible to check each one. Why do you believe that the terrorists would attack the US? We hardly lead the running for most acts if terror. Britain, France, the Middle East, and even parts of Africa are ahead of us. Also 777s have enough fuel capacity oh go at least halfway around the world without stopping. And in regard to Hiroshima, politicians would NEVER attack an aircraft that might have civilians on it because of the effect it may have in their career. Same with continued use of nukes with disregard to building them, thats ok.
Except around cities. New York city, for example, require all flights to follow a very specific flight plan when landing at an airport near the city.  I suspect that if a plane deviated they'd scramble fighter jets.  But would that be enough time?  Dunno.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on April 15, 2014, 10:05:28 AM
Jesus, this thread got stupid quick. Shooting a plane down is not a political decision, it's a military one, and it would be made very quickly if a plane mysteriously entered US air space and didn't respond to any contact (just like the Iran Airlines flight the US shot down decades ago). A Boeing 777 is not going to be able to enter US air space without being seen. Shooting it down would also not be an issue; they could have a jet in the air in minutes, and they only need to be within 200km for an AIM-120 to do its job.

That said, MH370 is almost certainly at the bottom of the Indian Ocean somewhere. Stealing a plane that everyone is looking for to use as a weapon is one of the most elaborately stupid things anyone could do.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Lord Dave on April 15, 2014, 10:33:49 AM
Jesus, this thread got stupid quick. Shooting a plane down is not a political decision, it's a military one, and it would be made very quickly if a plane mysteriously entered US air space and didn't respond to any contact (just like the Iran Airlines flight the US shot down decades ago). A Boeing 777 is not going to be able to enter US air space without being seen. Shooting it down would also not be an issue; they could have a jet in the air in minutes, and they only need to be within 200km for an AIM-120 to do its job.

That said, MH370 is almost certainly at the bottom of the Indian Ocean somewhere. Stealing a plane that everyone is looking for to use as a weapon is one of the most elaborately stupid things anyone could do.
Its not that stupid.  Hack the transponder with a new code, give it a different paint job and you have a new random missile.

And in all honesty, I would expect this plane to be able to slip through without suspicion simply because of all the data going around.  Sure the plane will be listed as delayed when it arrives on time but that'll be quickly dismissed.

Then smash, right into downtown LA!
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 15, 2014, 12:12:12 PM
Exactly. Plus, the military is very involved in politics, the chain of command involves the president who could take a lot of flack (pardon the pun) for shooting down such an airplane. Before doing this, someone up at the DOD, pentagon, or White House would have to approve an attack on an airplane that is not clearly a threat.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Lord Dave on April 15, 2014, 04:53:05 PM
Exactly. Plus, the military is very involved in politics, the chain of command involves the president who could take a lot of flack (pardon the pun) for shooting down such an airplane. Before doing this, someone up at the DOD, pentagon, or White House would have to approve an attack on an airplane that is not clearly a threat.
Blowing up planes that don't comply with flight plans is standard procedure now.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: fappenhosen on April 15, 2014, 05:21:17 PM
Then you would be labeled as a terrorist.

I don't think you understand what a terrorist is. A terrorist is the other guy. Obama could drop nukes on Pakistani weddings for a year and he still wouldn't be a terrorist. According to Fox News he would be weak for not upgrading USAs newcular arsenal so he could really stick it to those flower girls.

Jesus, this thread got stupid quick.

Verily Vindictus dost speak truth.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 15, 2014, 05:40:39 PM
A terrorist ya someone who attempts to inflict terror. Since ghost isn't well known, if he shot down an airplane, he would be labeled a terrorist. Same with the fort hood guy, the people in the mall in Kenya, and the people in the article.
Who is honestly going to shoot down a 777 that May or may not have passengers?
Who indeed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airliner_shootdown_incidents
Ok, you and what army will identify this airplane, travel to the right location, then use your combined small arms power (or expensive missiles) to take down the airplane in the time it takes to take the airplane off and fly it to the area of the terrorist attack. All of the above incidents were either by chance, or a group attacking an airplane they had known was going to be somewhere at a certain time. It could be on its way now and you wouldn't hear of it until after the incident happened. By then, I have calculated that you will be pretty late to pull off your vigilante plans.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on April 15, 2014, 07:23:55 PM
Jesus, this thread got stupid quick. Shooting a plane down is not a political decision, it's a military one, and it would be made very quickly if a plane mysteriously entered US air space and didn't respond to any contact (just like the Iran Airlines flight the US shot down decades ago). A Boeing 777 is not going to be able to enter US air space without being seen. Shooting it down would also not be an issue; they could have a jet in the air in minutes, and they only need to be within 200km for an AIM-120 to do its job.

That said, MH370 is almost certainly at the bottom of the Indian Ocean somewhere. Stealing a plane that everyone is looking for to use as a weapon is one of the most elaborately stupid things anyone could do.
Its not that stupid.  Hack the transponder with a new code, give it a different paint job and you have a new random missile.

And in all honesty, I would expect this plane to be able to slip through without suspicion simply because of all the data going around.  Sure the plane will be listed as delayed when it arrives on time but that'll be quickly dismissed.

Then smash, right into downtown LA!

I realise it's not the cold war anymore, and I'm not well versed on the capabilities of US radar, but I highly doubt a 777 could simply fly into US air space and ram itself into LA without being noticed. In fact, I'm pretty sure the US would be aware of it at least as far out as Hawaii.

Exactly. Plus, the military is very involved in politics, the chain of command involves the president who could take a lot of flack (pardon the pun) for shooting down such an airplane. Before doing this, someone up at the DOD, pentagon, or White House would have to approve an attack on an airplane that is not clearly a threat.

The president wouldn't make the decision. No one that high in the chain of command was involved here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655) or here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007). The Russians even fired on the plane knowing it was a civilian airliner in the second example. All that needs to take place is the detection of the plane and it giving false information or not responding at all.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 15, 2014, 07:37:11 PM
Your first example was a mistake. A unit fired upon by a known enemy has the ability to defend itself without requesting permission. A 777 wouldn't open fire, it would be crashed. The airbus got in the way of a defense move.

The second example was by the Russians, idiots at best, and don't have the same kind of chain of command as us nor the same accountability demand from their people since their people probably weren't notified due to press censorship.

I'm not denying we wouldn't see the airplane. We just are not obligated by protocol to communicate with an airplane entering airspace over the US. Also, I don't even predict the attack occurring here. I have made the point several times that the attack would be more strategic in the Middle East, Asia, or even Europe.

We wouldn't shoot down a passenger airplane unless we were sure that it posed a threat. An airplane in the scenario I outlined wouldn't pose a threat until it actually hit its target, giving a defense entity no time to prevent it!
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on April 15, 2014, 08:34:37 PM
the attack would be more strategic in the Middle East, Asia, or even Europe.

The US (and other parties) almost certainly have better radar coverage in these areas than anywhere else in the world. I don't think so.

We wouldn't shoot down a passenger airplane unless we were sure that it posed a threat. An airplane in the scenario I outlined wouldn't pose a threat until it actually hit its target, giving a defense entity no time to prevent it!

What do you think the military would do if

1. A Boeing 777 was spotted
2. Fighters were scrambled and have eye contact with it
3. It's not responding to contact or is responding with incorrect information and the point of origin cannot be determined

This is what would happen if MH370 appeared anywhere. They would shoot it down before it could become a threat. I don't think there's a single strategic target in the world that could be reached by a Boeing 777. This is also assuming crazy things, like the landing of the plane at a remote air strip (which likely damaged the landing gear), its refueling and repainting, etc.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 15, 2014, 08:53:10 PM
The US and friends can't track the thousands of airplanes in the air, much less the 1188 777s, all nearly identical, at the same tine for the months if not years that potential terrorists could hide this airplane until they use it. Reader detects airplanes, it doesn't segregate. You would have to check each airplane, scramble fighters (quicker said than done) attempt communication, receive clearance to fire, find a safe place to shoot the airplane down over, all before it hits something. It is a needle in a haystack, especially if it were done at night.

Boeing 777s can travel 1164 Maurice miles with a full capacity of passengers, London to Hong Kong. They could strike anywhere in Africa, Europe, Asia, the Middle East, or America with range like that.
the attack would be more strategic in the Middle East, Asia, or even Europe.



This is what would happen if MH370 appeared anywhere. They would shoot it down before it could become a threat. I don't think there's a single strategic target in the world that could be reached by a Boeing 777. This is also assuming crazy things, like the landing of the plane at a remote air strip (which likely damaged the landing gear), its refueling and repainting, etc.

This is because we don't have mechanics to fix stiff like this, right?
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on April 15, 2014, 09:07:07 PM
The US and friends can't track the thousands of airplanes in the air, much less the 1188 777s, all nearly identical, at the same tine for the months if not years that potential terrorists could hide this airplane until they use it. Reader detects airplanes, it doesn't segregate. You would have to check each airplane, scramble fighters (quicker said than done) attempt communication, receive clearance to fire, find a safe place to shoot the airplane down over, all before it hits something. It is a needle in a haystack, especially if it were done at night.

Boeing 777s can travel 1164 Maurice miles with a full capacity of passengers, London to Hong Kong. They could strike anywhere in Africa, Europe, Asia, the Middle East, or America with range like that.

They can, and they do. I think you're underestimating the capabilities of military's around the world. They would be able to spot the plane the second it entered the air space of just about anywhere except Africa. The Middle East is covered in radar from a variety of countries and would probably be the worst place to fly into, Europe is similar. China and Russia would both have some sort of detection in Asia. If it isn't following a standard airliner course, they would notice this immediately. They would probably hail it, then scramble jets following that.

I strongly doubt that a 777 could travel that far without being spotted once the entire time. MH370 was spotted multiple times flying south (into no where) while the pilot was actively trying to avoid this.

This is because we don't have mechanics to fix stiff like this, right?

You're implying a large operation just to get one Boeing 777 in the air. Jet fuel isn't exactly easy to come by, either.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 15, 2014, 09:25:24 PM
To complete the act of terror I speak of, spotting the airplane means nothing, even over India, shooting it down would kill at least dozens from the debris. I think you overestimate the ability if a military to identify the airplane and shoot is down in the time it would take to reach target. Repairs on landing gear is easy, many a days or two of work. Fuel is easy to get. I can drive 5 miles to my nearby airport and buy 200 gallons. People do it all the time (my friend works there). With some time, that 777 could be back in the air and be bound for India, Thailand, or Dubai. As for spotting it, idk where you are, but under the jet stream, dozens of flights go overhead each day, you stop noticing it after a whole. After two months, people won't be on high alert for a 777, you can't stay watching forever...
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on April 15, 2014, 09:34:37 PM
"Yeah I'd like to buy 200 gallons of jet fuel, please..."


::)
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 15, 2014, 09:39:18 PM
It costs a lot, but people use it to refuel airplanes on cross country (multiple stop) flights when they land at unmanned airports in desolate areas.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on April 15, 2014, 09:40:31 PM
It costs a lot, but people use it to refuel airplanes on cross country (multiple stop) flights when they land at unmanned airports in desolate areas.

No they don't.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 15, 2014, 09:43:57 PM
The anti potato clouds your thoughts. Yes they do. You don't even have to land small airplanes at an official airport. I landed one in my backyard once. It's just a lot bumpier.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on April 15, 2014, 09:49:43 PM
I landed one in my backyard once. It's just a lot bumpier.

No you haven't.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 15, 2014, 09:54:26 PM
We have found the anti potato! Holy holy is the spud thy holy!! Someone go get the Pam!
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on April 15, 2014, 10:09:07 PM
We have found the anti potato! Holy holy is the spud thy holy!! Someone go get the Pam!

I see you've devolved into nonsense posts. I guess this means you can't refute any of my claims. Congratulations.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 15, 2014, 10:10:21 PM
Your claims? Is "no" a claim?
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on April 15, 2014, 10:12:20 PM
Your claims? Is "no" a claim?

You claimed that you have literally landed a plane in your backyard. I claimed that you didn't. The next step is for you to provide proof of your claim. Photographic evidence, or post the flight records, maybe?
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on April 15, 2014, 10:13:52 PM
You know what would be a hell of a lot easier and less risky than stealing a plane? Making an improvised explosive. There's guides on the internet, and plenty of different methods to use. It only takes 1 person as well.

Also, you can't land a Boeing 777 anywhere. It's a very heavy plane, and landing it on an unpaved runway is possible but dangerous and would likely destroy the landing gear.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 15, 2014, 10:31:16 PM
My grass runway for Cessna style aircraft. 2/3 of it at least. Having trouble adding picture on my ipod.

Most runways left from ww2 in the Indian ocean area on small islands are asphalt or concrete. Landing a 777 would be like landing a bomber with a bigger wingspan.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on April 15, 2014, 11:36:31 PM
My grass runway for Cessna style aircraft. 2/3 of it at least. Having trouble adding picture on my ipod.

Most runways left from ww2 in the Indian ocean area on small islands are asphalt or concrete. Landing a 777 would be like landing a bomber with a bigger wingspan.

Trouble adding pictures to your 'iPod' ....... Do you care to elaborate? Maybe I can help you troubleshoot the problem.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on April 16, 2014, 12:23:51 AM
My grass runway for Cessna style aircraft. 2/3 of it at least. Having trouble adding picture on my ipod.

Most runways left from ww2 in the Indian ocean area on small islands are asphalt or concrete. Landing a 777 would be like landing a bomber with a bigger wingspan.

WW2 runways would likely be in disrepair and overgrown, and many were designed to land nothing larger than WW2 era bombers. A loaded 777 weighs substantially more than a bomber. Anything short of a sealed, maintained runway will likely damage or outright destroy the landing gear. Those runways can probably be seen from satellite as well, so if investigators ever had reason to believe the plane landed then they would certainly check them.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 16, 2014, 02:54:30 AM
I agree it would be difficult, but not possible. Camp netting does a really good job of hiding this sort of stuff too. Patching up a runway would be a breeze and one or two repairmen could fix any damage the landing gear may get. Airplanes are a lot more durable than I feel you think they are.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rushy on April 16, 2014, 03:24:56 AM
Airplanes are a lot more durable than I feel you think they are.

They're actually frighteningly fragile, especially large military and commercial airplanes. Landing a 777 on a low grade runway will result in an inop 777.

Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 16, 2014, 03:48:46 AM
Airplanes are a lot more durable than I feel you think they are.

They're actually frighteningly fragile, especially large military and commercial airplanes. Landing a 777 on a low grade runway will result in an inop 777.


I admit I did not research this and it was probably wrong, but speaking of military aircraft, one can't help but admire the durability of the A-10 Thunderbolt, even though the AF wants to phase them out.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rushy on April 16, 2014, 03:52:32 AM
I admit I did not research this and it was probably wrong, but speaking of military aircraft, one can't help but admire the durability of the A-10 Thunderbolt, even though the AF wants to phase them out.

That really depends on what you mean by durability. Their ability to fly under fire is noteworthy. Their ability to continually accomplish missions is not, mainly because they can't. I actually do maintenance management analysis on A-10s. (any of my comments are not official views of the air force yada yada)
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 16, 2014, 03:59:30 AM
That's pretty cool them, my favorite kind of airplane. Actually have a couple 30mm dummy rounds from the Gatling gun on it. I know someone who built dies to load dummy rounds and ended getting some for Christmas. Even spent some time at range 1 alpha in camp Atterberry right next to a range that they were using for live fire A-10 training.

I heard from some of my AF friends that the missions they were being sent on we not actually feasible for the A-10 to handle like anti personnel missions.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on April 16, 2014, 04:06:32 AM
A 777 weighs 200 tons. That much weight is not supposed to land anywhere except reinforced runways. It can land on unsealed runways, but it's unlikely the plane will be able to take off again afterwards as the wheels will dig right into the ground and likely rip off the gear entirely. A couple of guys will not be able to fix up a 60 year old runway, repair the landing gear on a plane and refuel it all by themselves without being noticed. Your insistence on these theories is silly, because the rough route of the plane is known.

As for the A-10, it's an expensive old plane that is quickly coming to the end of its service life. It found a niche in the CAS role, but in a real war it would be almost entirely useless.

Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 16, 2014, 04:13:25 AM
Woah! Don't hate on the A-10. It's still useful. Say you want to destroy everything in a certain direction or throw a lot of depleted uranium through a Chinese tank really fast. That's what you have the warthog for.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: markjo on April 16, 2014, 04:26:59 AM
We have found the anti potato! Holy holy is the spud thy holy!! Someone go get the Pam!
This is the point where any further serious discussion becomes impossible.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: markjo on April 16, 2014, 04:28:19 AM
As for the A-10, it's an expensive old plane that is quickly coming to the end of its service life. It found a niche in the CAS role, but in a real war it would be almost entirely useless.
That's what they said just before the first Gulf War.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on April 16, 2014, 04:55:14 AM
Woah! Don't hate on the A-10. It's still useful. Say you want to destroy everything in a certain direction or throw a lot of depleted uranium through a Chinese tank really fast. That's what you have the warthog for.

It's useful as long as we're fighting stupid wars in the middle east. In a war against a nation that has a military, it's useless. The canon is also not that powerful, most modern tanks can withstand rounds from it.

As for the A-10, it's an expensive old plane that is quickly coming to the end of its service life. It found a niche in the CAS role, but in a real war it would be almost entirely useless.
That's what they said just before the first Gulf War.

The Gulf War was not a real war.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 16, 2014, 11:58:05 AM
The "cannon" on it literally makes up the plane itself. And no, most modern tanks would fall to it.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: markjo on April 16, 2014, 01:19:52 PM
As for the A-10, it's an expensive old plane that is quickly coming to the end of its service life. It found a niche in the CAS role, but in a real war it would be almost entirely useless.
That's what they said just before the first Gulf War.

The Gulf War was not a real war.
Tell that to what used to be Iraq's army.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on April 16, 2014, 08:28:36 PM
The "cannon" on it literally makes up the plane itself. And no, most modern tanks would fall to it.

It's hard to say as the details of the armour on most modern tanks is classified or not disclosed. Most have enough armour on the side and front to withstand 30mm rounds, uranium tipped or not. The engine and the top are generally a lot thinner and less armoured. So it really depends on a number of factors, like pilot skill and the movement of the target. Granted, an A-10 won't use just the cannon to kill a tank, as they have much more effective weapons attached to the wings.

As for the A-10, it's an expensive old plane that is quickly coming to the end of its service life. It found a niche in the CAS role, but in a real war it would be almost entirely useless.
That's what they said just before the first Gulf War.

The Gulf War was not a real war.
Tell that to what used to be Iraq's army.

That's really got nothing to do with the A-10.

Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: fappenhosen on April 16, 2014, 10:58:09 PM
*aeroplane crashes into building*

OMG What a surprise! Where did that plane come from? OMG I am so surprised because all aircraft are accounted for. OR SO I THOUGHT. That is why I am surprised.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rushy on April 17, 2014, 02:40:51 AM
It's hard to say as the details of the armour on most modern tanks is classified or not disclosed. Most have enough armour on the side and front to withstand 30mm rounds, uranium tipped or not. The engine and the top are generally a lot thinner and less armoured. So it really depends on a number of factors, like pilot skill and the movement of the target. Granted, an A-10 won't use just the cannon to kill a tank, as they have much more effective weapons attached to the wings.

There is no vehicle currently in combat operations that can withstand direct fire from a GAU-8. Congress is thinking about making the A-10 "go away" because they have no money left, and that is really all there is to it.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on April 17, 2014, 08:00:33 AM
It's hard to say as the details of the armour on most modern tanks is classified or not disclosed. Most have enough armour on the side and front to withstand 30mm rounds, uranium tipped or not. The engine and the top are generally a lot thinner and less armoured. So it really depends on a number of factors, like pilot skill and the movement of the target. Granted, an A-10 won't use just the cannon to kill a tank, as they have much more effective weapons attached to the wings.

There is no vehicle currently in combat operations that can withstand direct fire from a GAU-8.

Well, that's debatable. Front armour on tanks has always been designed to withstand rounds from enemy tanks, at least since WWII, and tank rounds have always been larger than 30mm. So 30mm rounds probably aren't going to do a whole lot against the more armoured parts of modern tanks. Although the A-10 has 1250 rounds, so it probably has more than enough to destroy any MBT given the time.

Congress is thinking about making the A-10 "go away" because they have no money left, and that is really all there is to it.

It's getting more and more expensive to run as the airframe gets older, and as I said, it would not fare well in a real war. It's set to be replaced when the F-35 finally comes into service.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: pilot172 on April 17, 2014, 11:58:02 AM
you think that someone would notice all the equipment needed to reinforce a runway going to a tiny island around where mh370 went missing and jetfuel and parts getting shipped there then a dirty big plane and all the activity I think everyone underestimates how quickly these sorts of things are picked up on and remember all the 'telecommunication' satellites ae there now watching so theyd see a plane like a 777 on an island
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: markjo on April 17, 2014, 01:37:08 PM
As for the A-10, it's an expensive old plane that is quickly coming to the end of its service life. It found a niche in the CAS role, but in a real war it would be almost entirely useless.
That's what they said just before the first Gulf War.

The Gulf War was not a real war.
Tell that to what used to be Iraq's army.

That's really got nothing to do with the A-10.
Incorrect.
Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_Republic_A-10_Thunderbolt_II#Gulf_War_and_Balkans
The A-10 was used in combat for the first time during the Gulf War in 1991, destroying more than 900 Iraqi tanks, 2,000 other military vehicles and 1,200 artillery pieces, making it by far the most effective aircraft of the war.[5] A-10s also shot down two Iraqi helicopters with the GAU-8 cannon.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on April 17, 2014, 09:44:22 PM
Incorrect.
Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_Republic_A-10_Thunderbolt_II#Gulf_War_and_Balkans
The A-10 was used in combat for the first time during the Gulf War in 1991, destroying more than 900 Iraqi tanks, 2,000 other military vehicles and 1,200 artillery pieces, making it by far the most effective aircraft of the war.[5] A-10s also shot down two Iraqi helicopters with the GAU-8 cannon.

Yes, because the Iraqi military had literally no air force. There were a couple of dog fights throughout the entire war, but the Allies had air superiority nearly the entire time. When you've got air superiority, the A-10 is a great jet. But when the enemy is organised, has AAA and an air force worth a damn, the A-10 is in trouble. It's slow, it's not stealthy, and despite being more armoured than an F-16, it cannot withstand heavy AAA fire. It's like the AC-130, cool as hell but only if you're not going to get shot at.

It was designed for European battlefields in the cold war, a scenario that is no longer relevant anywhere around the world, and even in that scenario it was expected to get shot down regularly.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rama Set on April 17, 2014, 11:57:08 PM
Incorrect.
Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_Republic_A-10_Thunderbolt_II#Gulf_War_and_Balkans
The A-10 was used in combat for the first time during the Gulf War in 1991, destroying more than 900 Iraqi tanks, 2,000 other military vehicles and 1,200 artillery pieces, making it by far the most effective aircraft of the war.[5] A-10s also shot down two Iraqi helicopters with the GAU-8 cannon.

Yes, because the Iraqi military had literally no air force. There were a couple of dog fights throughout the entire war, but the Allies had air superiority nearly the entire time. When you've got air superiority, the A-10 is a great jet. But when the enemy is organised, has AAA and an air force worth a damn, the A-10 is in trouble. It's slow, it's not stealthy, and despite being more armoured than an F-16, it cannot withstand heavy AAA fire. It's like the AC-130, cool as hell but only if you're not going to get shot at.

It was designed for European battlefields in the cold war, a scenario that is no longer relevant anywhere around the world, and even in that scenario it was expected to get shot down regularly.

Regardless, it is true that the A-10 was an effective weapon in the first Gulf War.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: markjo on April 18, 2014, 02:14:32 AM
Yes, because the Iraqi military had literally no air force. There were a couple of dog fights throughout the entire war, but the Allies had air superiority nearly the entire time. When you've got air superiority, the A-10 is a great jet. But when the enemy is organised, has AAA and an air force worth a damn, the A-10 is in trouble. It's slow, it's not stealthy, and despite being more armoured than an F-16, it cannot withstand heavy AAA fire.

Are we talking about the same A-10?  One of the primary design objectives of the A-10 was survivability.  Why do you think that the pilot sits in a titanium bathtub?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glaRhUoE9aA
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on April 18, 2014, 03:11:10 AM
Yes, because the Iraqi military had literally no air force. There were a couple of dog fights throughout the entire war, but the Allies had air superiority nearly the entire time. When you've got air superiority, the A-10 is a great jet. But when the enemy is organised, has AAA and an air force worth a damn, the A-10 is in trouble. It's slow, it's not stealthy, and despite being more armoured than an F-16, it cannot withstand heavy AAA fire.

Are we talking about the same A-10?  One of the primary design objectives of the A-10 was survivability.  Why do you think that the pilot sits in a titanium bathtub?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glaRhUoE9aA

Survivability in the sense that it can fly with 1 engine, with an elevated and heavily armoured cockpit and airframe. It will still go down if it loses a wing to a missile. It certainly couldn't fly against modern AA tanks like these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K22_Tunguska). This is why the F-35 will be a better jet, it is capable of both Wild Weasel missions and CAS.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: markjo on April 18, 2014, 04:18:53 AM
Survivability in the sense that it can fly with 1 engine, with an elevated and heavily armoured cockpit and airframe. It will still go down if it loses a wing to a missile. It certainly couldn't fly against modern AA tanks like these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K22_Tunguska). This is why the F-35 will be a better jet, it is capable of both Wild Weasel missions and CAS.
Sure, anything that goes up in the air can be shot down.  The A-10 was designed to get down and dirty and take a beating.  How much of a beating is the F-35 designed to take?  What happens if an F-35 loses an engine.  Oops, it only has one.  Will the F-35 be able to survive AAA, let alone the loss of a wing?  I doubt it.  The F-35 is trying to do many things while the A-10 just does one thing: kill armor, and it's very good at that job. 

BTW, how many F-35s (of any variant) are currently deployed?  How much does one F-35 cost vs an A-10?
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on April 18, 2014, 04:29:06 AM
Survivability in the sense that it can fly with 1 engine, with an elevated and heavily armoured cockpit and airframe. It will still go down if it loses a wing to a missile. It certainly couldn't fly against modern AA tanks like these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K22_Tunguska). This is why the F-35 will be a better jet, it is capable of both Wild Weasel missions and CAS.
Sure, anything that goes up in the air can be shot down.  The A-10 was designed to get down and dirty and take a beating.  How much of a beating is the F-35 designed to take?  What happens if an F-35 loses an engine.  Oops, it only has one.  Will the F-35 be able to survive AAA, let alone the loss of a wing?  I doubt it.  The F-35 is trying to do many things while the A-10 just does one thing: kill armor, and it's very good at that job. 

BTW, how many F-35s (of any variant) are currently deployed?  How much does one F-35 cost vs an A-10?

That's the point, an F-35 wouldn't be shot down because it wouldn't be spotted. It has a smaller cannon with less rounds, and it flies faster and can't loiter as long, but it's more than capable of carrying the missiles used against tanks (which are the most effective anti-tank weapons anyway).

It's not widely deployed yet due to the constant delays in the JSF program, and yeah it costs a lot more than an A-10. But 1 airframe does the job of multiple planes, and every A-10 lost in a conflict would be irreplaceable. It's also becoming more expensive to fly as time goes on, due to the maintenance on the airframes (some of which are getting really old).
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Thork on April 19, 2014, 11:42:04 PM
The F-35 will be used for airshows and football games. Its isn't going to see much combat. Its too expensive.

Want to drop a bomb? Use a drone. Want stealth for reconnaissance? Use a drone. Want a cheap aircraft that can fly 24 hour missions? Use a drone. Want something with low maintenance and fuel costs? Use a drone. Want air superiority? Use tanks to secure enemy airfields. F-35 isn't your first choice for anything.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on April 20, 2014, 12:51:34 AM
The F-35 will be used for airshows and football games. Its isn't going to see much combat. Its too expensive.

Want to drop a bomb? Use a drone. Want stealth for reconnaissance? Use a drone. Want a cheap aircraft that can fly 24 hour missions? Use a drone. Want something with low maintenance and fuel costs? Use a drone. Want air superiority? Use tanks to secure enemy airfields. F-35 isn't your first choice for anything.

Yeah that's why they're being fielded in the hundreds by a bunch of nations in the West. Drones are certainly going to play a big part of warfare in the future, but the F-35 is going to be one of the big work horses in Allied airforces.

Also, they don't use drones for air superiority. That's what the F-22 is for.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rushy on April 20, 2014, 01:47:01 AM
The reality is that there will never be another large war with a developed nation. Too many nations with nuclear bombs that are more willing to turn themselves and others into smoking craters before giving up any land. Conventional weapons will only ever be used against countries that probably couldn't defend against any technology past the Cold War and that have no nuclear weaponry. Lockheed should just manufacture updated F-16s, rather than mugging the government for more money. Any country the F-22 and F-35 is useful against would never have a F-22 or F-35 used against them.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 20, 2014, 03:45:04 AM
The reality is that there will never be another large war with a developed nation. Too many nations with nuclear bombs that are more willing to turn themselves and others into smoking craters before giving up any land. Conventional weapons will only ever be used against countries that probably couldn't defend against any technology past the Cold War and that have no nuclear weaponry. Lockheed should just manufacture updated F-16s, rather than mugging the government for more money. Any country the F-22 and F-35 is useful against would never have a F-22 or F-35 used against them.
What about the developed European nations vs Russia? If they step in to defend the Ukraine wouldn't that be developed nations against each other. And if China joins Russia a saints Europe? They both stand to gain geopolitical advantage over the EU in a war and have already been doing joint naval maneuvers. Russia has the land and China's got the people. Both are fully capable of standing up and, frankly, I believe Russia has a slight air advantage over the US, although both sides have plenty of surface to air weapons, putting a fight for the air a little off to the side.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rushy on April 20, 2014, 03:55:54 AM
What about the developed European nations vs Russia? If they step in to defend the Ukraine wouldn't that be developed nations against each other. And if China joins Russia a saints Europe? They both stand to gain geopolitical advantage over the EU in a war and have already been doing joint naval maneuvers. Russia has the land and China's got the people. Both are fully capable of standing up and, frankly, I believe Russia has a slight air advantage over the US, although both sides have plenty of surface to air weapons, putting a fight for the air a little off to the side.

There will never be a Europe vs Russia conventional war. Ukraine wasn't part of NATO and hardly counts as a developed nation, their hardware is still Cold War era. If Europe felt too threatened by Russia or China the nukes would start flying. Like I said, there will never be a conventional war between developed nations ever again. There will be proxy wars, but there will never be all out war between large developed nations.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Howtofly8 on April 20, 2014, 04:18:23 AM
I highly doubt that any country would use a nuke again. We all know the outcome of a nuclear explosion and I would be willing to bet that those in power are smart enough to know how tegu would be treated if they ever did use a nuke. The idea of a country using nukes is a little boys dream of power and a nationalist mentality. Politically, nukes are a bad idea. If someone in power knew they would loose it all with a nuke, they wouldn't risk it. Especially not America.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on April 20, 2014, 05:57:20 AM
The reality is that there will never be another large war with a developed nation. Too many nations with nuclear bombs that are more willing to turn themselves and others into smoking craters before giving up any land. Conventional weapons will only ever be used against countries that probably couldn't defend against any technology past the Cold War and that have no nuclear weaponry. Lockheed should just manufacture updated F-16s, rather than mugging the government for more money. Any country the F-22 and F-35 is useful against would never have a F-22 or F-35 used against them.

Not really. We're replacing our entire Hornet and Super Hornet fleet with F-35's. So any conflict in which the RAAF fights will be fought with F-35's.

I also disagree with there not being another war between major powers. Such a war is unlikely, but not impossible. I don't think nuclear weapons prevent the chance of a conflict, they're more of a "we have ours so they don't use theirs thing"; they only exist to prevent their use.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: fappenhosen on April 20, 2014, 11:35:10 AM
Ukraine wasn't part of NATO and hardly counts as a developed nation, their hardware is still Cold War era.

LOL

"WTF These transistors aren't surface mount! Get back to Africa!"
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rushy on April 20, 2014, 02:54:43 PM
I highly doubt that any country would use a nuke again. We all know the outcome of a nuclear explosion and I would be willing to bet that those in power are smart enough to know how tegu would be treated if they ever did use a nuke. The idea of a country using nukes is a little boys dream of power and a nationalist mentality. Politically, nukes are a bad idea. If someone in power knew they would loose it all with a nuke, they wouldn't risk it. Especially not America.

This is why nukes will be used and also why they will not be used. There will never be a conventional war between developed nations ever again, because a nation on the verge of losing a conventional war would always nuke the attacking country.

If NATO attacked Russia right now, Russia would attempt to nuke both the EU and US, because Russia would be well aware it cannot win a conventional war with NATO. The choices are "Russia loses with a bang" or "Russia loses." It isn't hard to know which one a country as insane as Russia will choose.

Not really. We're replacing our entire Hornet and Super Hornet fleet with F-35's. So any conflict in which the RAAF fights will be fought with F-35's.

I also disagree with there not being another war between major powers. Such a war is unlikely, but not impossible. I don't think nuclear weapons prevent the chance of a conflict, they're more of a "we have ours so they don't use theirs thing"; they only exist to prevent their use.

Nuclear weapons prevent your country from ever losing a war ever again. "Oh, you are defeating our nation and crumbling our power? Nuke."
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: markjo on April 21, 2014, 12:54:15 PM
It has a smaller cannon with less rounds, and it flies faster and can't loiter as long, but it's more than capable of carrying the missiles used against tanks (which are the most effective anti-tank weapons anyway).
I don't think that you understand how the ground support role works.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: fappenhosen on April 21, 2014, 02:25:47 PM
Nuclear weapons prevent your country from ever losing a war ever again. "Oh, you are defeating our nation and crumbling our power? Nuke."

I doubt it. How is this enemy supposedly defeating our nation? Using land forces? And those land forces are already storming the chancellery are they? So you're going to drop a nuke on your own country?

What you probably have in mind is that the awesome power will make the men in pinstripes back in Blefuscu want to pull back their forces. This places great weight on the assumed rationality of the enemy. After you've just nuked them.

Japan had already lost the war when it was nuked. Nuclear weapons are just the execution move in a bleak real world game of Mortal Combat.

But don't let me stop your wank fantasy.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Lord Dave on April 21, 2014, 03:55:59 PM
Nuclear weapons prevent your country from ever losing a war ever again. "Oh, you are defeating our nation and crumbling our power? Nuke."

I doubt it. How is this enemy supposedly defeating our nation? Using land forces? And those land forces are already storming the chancellery are they? So you're going to drop a nuke on your own country?

What you probably have in mind is that the awesome power will make the men in pinstripes back in Blefuscu want to pull back their forces. This places great weight on the assumed rationality of the enemy. After you've just nuked them.

Japan had already lost the war when it was nuked. Nuclear weapons are just the execution move in a bleak real world game of Mortal Combat.

But don't let me stop your wank fantasy.
No, he's saying that its a "I'm a sore loser so we both lose" button.
The guys who run the country currently invading you are going to get a face full of nuclear death.  At that point it doesn't matter what happens to the invaded nation and they know it.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: fappenhosen on April 21, 2014, 04:04:03 PM
At that point it doesn't matter what happens to the invaded nation and they know it.

Still doesn't sound like a good way to "prevent your country from ever losing a war ever again".
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on April 21, 2014, 04:52:54 PM
At that point it doesn't matter what happens to the invaded nation and they know it.

Still doesn't sound like a good way to "prevent your country from ever losing a war ever again".

This whole conversation is the basis for deterrence theory.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: fappenhosen on April 21, 2014, 05:04:16 PM
This whole conversation is the basis for what happened to flight MH370.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Lord Dave on April 21, 2014, 06:11:41 PM
At that point it doesn't matter what happens to the invaded nation and they know it.

Still doesn't sound like a good way to "prevent your country from ever losing a war ever again".
Yes it is.  Do you really want to fight the guy who can kill you even if he loses?

" Let the wookie win."
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on April 21, 2014, 06:17:21 PM
At that point it doesn't matter what happens to the invaded nation and they know it.

Still doesn't sound like a good way to "prevent your country from ever losing a war ever again".
Yes it is.  Do you really want to fight the guy who can kill you even if he loses?

" Let the wookie win."

That doesn't prevent a country from losing a war, it just creates a Cold War environment of "Who's going to launch first". Even so, if one country does launch a nuke will the other country have enough balls to launch theirs and potentially start a nuclear war?
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Lord Dave on April 21, 2014, 07:48:44 PM
At that point it doesn't matter what happens to the invaded nation and they know it.

Still doesn't sound like a good way to "prevent your country from ever losing a war ever again".
Yes it is.  Do you really want to fight the guy who can kill you even if he loses?

" Let the wookie win."

That doesn't prevent a country from losing a war, it just creates a Cold War environment of "Who's going to launch first". Even so, if one country does launch a nuke will the other country have enough balls to launch theirs and potentially start a nuclear war?
Balls has nothing to do with it.  It's more like "Fuck it, if I die, he dies with me".
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: fappenhosen on April 21, 2014, 08:40:22 PM
Do you really want to fight the guy who can kill you even if he loses?

If you're psycho enough to use nukes when you've lost then you're probably psycho enough to use them when you're winning. Either way I have to assume you'll use them.

Its a prisoners dilemma and you get to choose from Win-Lose or Lose-Lose. In neither of the options do you get to win.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on April 21, 2014, 08:50:36 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/wyXQXhc.gif)
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Lord Dave on April 21, 2014, 10:22:22 PM
Do you really want to fight the guy who can kill you even if he loses?

If you're psycho enough to use nukes when you've lost then you're probably psycho enough to use them when you're winning. Either way I have to assume you'll use them.

Its a prisoners dilemma and you get to choose from Win-Lose or Lose-Lose. In neither of the options do you get to win.
That's the point.
The only way to win a nuclear war is to not have one.  And the only way to not START a nuclear war is to not attack anyone with nukes.

See how that works?
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on April 21, 2014, 10:29:52 PM
It has a smaller cannon with less rounds, and it flies faster and can't loiter as long, but it's more than capable of carrying the missiles used against tanks (which are the most effective anti-tank weapons anyway).
I don't think that you understand how the ground support role works.

Helicopters are better at CAS than jets are anyway.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on April 21, 2014, 10:30:39 PM
The only way to win a nuclear war is to not have one.  And the only way to not START a nuclear war is to not attack anyone with nukes.

See how that works?

Of course, makes you wonder why we still have nukes? At this point it seems like the reason for this is because we need a deterrent against other country's nukes. It's a stupid vicious cycle. The obvious answer is to just get rid of all the fucking nukes, but one country will have to step up and do it first before others follow their example, until then we'll just keep making nukes to keep nukes in check, which is just retarded.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rushy on April 21, 2014, 10:40:36 PM
The only winning move is not to play.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Lord Dave on April 22, 2014, 12:35:02 AM
The only way to win a nuclear war is to not have one.  And the only way to not START a nuclear war is to not attack anyone with nukes.

See how that works?

Of course, makes you wonder why we still have nukes? At this point it seems like the reason for this is because we need a deterrent against other country's nukes. It's a stupid vicious cycle. The obvious answer is to just get rid of all the fucking nukes, but one country will have to step up and do it first before others follow their example, until then we'll just keep making nukes to keep nukes in check, which is just retarded.

The problem with this logic is that if one person just happens to have a nuke everyone's gonna be scared of him.

Let's say there's a sweeping UN regulation that all nukes must be destroyed.  Every country with nukes pours all their resources into eradicating it and even Superman comes from nowhere and takes them to the sun.  World peace right?

Oh look, Iran managed to secretly build an ICBM.
They are now the most powerful country in the world. 
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on April 22, 2014, 12:58:50 AM
Oh look, Iran managed to secretly build an ICBM.
They are now the most powerful country in the world.

Damn you, Albert Einstein.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: fappenhosen on April 22, 2014, 10:30:52 AM
The only way to win a nuclear war is to not have one.  And the only way to not START a nuclear war is to not attack anyone with nukes.

Incorrect.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Ghost of V on May 11, 2014, 07:20:48 PM
Has there been any update on this? I'm too lazy to Google it myself.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Particle Person on May 12, 2014, 10:04:05 PM
Has there been any update on this? I'm too lazy to Google it myself.

No. The plane is still just as lost as it was a month ago.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on May 14, 2014, 10:28:21 AM
The air search was called off a week or so ago, they had a nice shot of the Orions, C-130 and Chinese aircraft arranged in Perth before they left (http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/farewell.jpg). Ocean Shield just returned to the area today after restocking, switching crews and updating software on the Bluefin drone. They're currently searching the ocean floor near where the last pings were received, they're after anything that looks man made.

Besides that things have remained unchanged from a month ago.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Pete Svarrior on May 20, 2014, 06:30:07 PM
Silly Malaysians thought the Earth is round and ran out of fuel >o<
I was close!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-r1an0voBk
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rama Set on May 20, 2014, 09:07:02 PM
She is the most eminent FE scientist of our time.  She does not even know who the FES is.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Vindictus on November 04, 2014, 09:11:35 PM
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2014/11/04/mh370-to-be-declared-lost-by-year-end/

I'd have thought most people would have considered them all dead ages ago. Crazy that we still know next to nothing half a year later.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Rushy on November 04, 2014, 09:14:46 PM
HAARP teleported them back in time and the flight ran into the world trade centers that is why Malaysia airlines lost two planes obvious facts wake up sheeple.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Blanko on November 04, 2014, 09:15:35 PM
They should declare it Lost instead, because we all know that's what's happening.
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Pete Svarrior on January 16, 2016, 03:48:22 AM
Apparently this plane is so goddamn lost that people are now accidentally finding 19th century shipwrecks instead.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/13/asia/mh370-old-shipwreck-indian-ocean/
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: Truthseeker09 on February 23, 2016, 04:27:26 AM
I'm sure most of you have heard of this, but for those who haven't: a Malaysian airlines Boeing 777 disappeared shortly after take off about 3 days ago. It was headed to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur and had 200 or so people on board. No confirmed wreckage has been found, and all information usually transmitted from the aircraft ceased when it disappeared.

The media (at least, the Australian media) seems to be jumping on the terrorism bandwagon, due to some dodgy passports. However, the circumstances don't seem to support this theory, as no terrorist groups have claimed responsibility and no parts of the aircraft have been found.

So, what happened?
I'm from the semi near future lol and my guess is that are stuck on a "lost" style island and are trying to survive under the leadership of some rick grimes style doctor
Title: Re: What happened to flight MH370?
Post by: magic on March 03, 2016, 05:37:01 AM
Hopefully some stimulating hearsay for those reading...

This brought some interesting points to discuss. First, the fact that this event was reported indicates to me that the significant diversity of the passengers and each of their social networks would make it impossible to securely contain, by elimination any information regarding this flight ever existing. It is at that point much more manageable to to blame a factor that can be supported by the global media, a trusted source by society's majority. They provided enough potential reasons to provide fertile grounds to which discussion regarding this flight can be further divided to support each theory. This is to establish the framework of suppression.

Accompanying this is the fact that the limitations of GPS were severely downplayed, although this was visible, most people were concerned with the fate of the passengers and to know the reason why.

The signal being lost due to the transponder apparently being disabled is also exploiting the majority's conditioning as they believe an air plane is traceable anywhere on the globe because of satellites. This further supported that aircraft is untraceable by unobservable means once it is beyond the reach of GPS.

Rolls Royce engineer describing the pings received as part of their continuous monitoring of engines was also cut. However, they were disingenuous regarding the timing of this loss of contact as they stretched the limits of how far this signal from the engine monitoring system was capable of traveling. They did mention that the information was relayed via satellite, no further questions regarding this as satellites are a known and present part of our society's majority.

No wreckage was ever found. As a tie-in to this site, the pilot could have very well decided to fly southbound because he was empowered to manually fly the aircraft. There is a growing belief of mine that true value is only that of which contributes to humanity's knowledge of our environment, our purpose, and our origin. Information that is truly valuable intrinsically carries a price which is typically that it is not something that can be further distributed, since we have this problem of unlearning such valuable information. This pilot could have known that he would have otherwise lived out his meaningless existence accomplishing nothing, but instead chose to face the truth abandoning all else, including his family and those of his passengers.

No satellite data was offered, no real time recording of the globe from spy satellites was offered to trace via a recording where this plane went. After all, were conditioned to believe that a credit card number is visible from a spy satellite in space. This humanitarian effort was denied by every super power under the auspice of national security concerns. They are all in it together, which is again a common theme in this discussion as the multinational space effort transcends global conflicts.

I do not believe that any known force is responsible for such an absolute disappearance of MH370. I believe this was linked with an individual that desired true knowledge of our environment.