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Re: Henry Yule Oldham - Bedford Level Experiment
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2019, 05:06:20 AM »
Of course bending light is possible on an FE. It's called refraction. You need to perform an experiment with multiple points or controls to ensure that light isn't bending.

The posted video does this. By changing perspectives, sight lines, and frames of reference — and collecting video inside the bridge cavity, and observing the SAME RESULT,  we can safely conclude that refraction plays an insignificant role. Precisely because any refractive effect would adjust in a predicable fashion as the angle of perspective is modified. None of this happens.

The bending of light to cause sinking is pretty common. This road effect also gives the same result when you look at it from different positions and angles near the surface.

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Re: Henry Yule Oldham - Bedford Level Experiment
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2019, 06:28:46 AM »
Of course bending light is possible on an FE. It's called refraction. You need to perform an experiment with multiple points or controls to ensure that light isn't bending.

The posted video does this. By changing perspectives, sight lines, and frames of reference — and collecting video inside the bridge cavity, and observing the SAME RESULT,  we can safely conclude that refraction plays an insignificant role. Precisely because any refractive effect would adjust in a predicable fashion as the angle of perspective is modified. None of this happens.

The bending of light to cause sinking is pretty common. This road effect also gives the same result when you look at it from different positions and angles near the surface.



Looks really steaming hot on that road.

The Lake Pontchartrain Causeway he is comparing to is almost 24 miles long. How long is the road Phuket Word is showing?

Also, refraction would have to explain every ship that is not just sinking from the hull up as it moves away, but has sunk and stays sunk, gone. Same for every sunset where the sun disappears for approx. 12 hours every day for everyone on the planet. Perspective doesn't help either as has been shown before, a 3000 mile high, 32 mile wide sun or moon, even when it moves 12,000 miles away can't go below the horizon. And refraction can't push it below and hold it's head under water, so to speak, for 12 hours.


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Re: Henry Yule Oldham - Bedford Level Experiment
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2019, 09:07:20 AM »
The bending of light to cause sinking is pretty common. This road effect also gives the same result when you look at it from different positions and angles near the surface.

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Again, I haven't posted a video or other example of anything "sinking", nor of a "road effect"

Again, you're posting a near-surface video, whereas I keep asking you to address the examples I posted, where the observation sightline is 210m away from the surface. Looking at Rowbotham's drawings, and mine, they both suggest that if the observer at 210m looks past the top of a 210m object, that sightline should reach a higher object beyond at the 210m level, IF IF IF the Earth is flat. But it does not. 

It passes clear above the hill, missing this point by a clear 200m (to the top of the hill) and more (which hasn't been measured, it's merely the amount of sky above the hill).

As can be seen from my scale model above, the sightline over 2-unit objects on a flat surface always meets a 4-unit object at the 2-unit level. It does this regardless of the distance to the camera, and the tilt of the camera. The sightline can be anywhere in the frame. 

If you place the same three objects on a curved surface, the sightline between the two 2-unit objects, when continued to the 4-unit one, will hit a point ABOVE 2 units. The farther they are apart, the higher this sightline will go.
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Re: Henry Yule Oldham - Bedford Level Experiment
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2019, 09:23:29 AM »
Of course bending light is possible on an FE. It's called refraction. You need to perform an experiment with multiple points or controls to ensure that light isn't bending.

The posted video does this. By changing perspectives, sight lines, and frames of reference — and collecting video inside the bridge cavity, and observing the SAME RESULT,  we can safely conclude that refraction plays an insignificant role. Precisely because any refractive effect would adjust in a predicable fashion as the angle of perspective is modified. None of this happens.

The bending of light to cause sinking is pretty common. This road effect also gives the same result when you look at it from different positions and angles near the surface.



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Re: Henry Yule Oldham - Bedford Level Experiment
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2019, 06:28:47 PM »
Of course bending light is possible on an FE. It's called refraction. You need to perform an experiment with multiple points or controls to ensure that light isn't bending.

The posted video does this. By changing perspectives, sight lines, and frames of reference — and collecting video inside the bridge cavity, and observing the SAME RESULT,  we can safely conclude that refraction plays an insignificant role. Precisely because any refractive effect would adjust in a predicable fashion as the angle of perspective is modified. None of this happens.

The bending of light to cause sinking is pretty common. This road effect also gives the same result when you look at it from different positions and angles near the surface.



Looks really steaming hot on that road.

The Lake Pontchartrain Causeway he is comparing to is almost 24 miles long. How long is the road Phuket Word is showing?

Also, refraction would have to explain every ship that is not just sinking from the hull up as it moves away, but has sunk and stays sunk, gone. Same for every sunset where the sun disappears for approx. 12 hours every day for everyone on the planet. Perspective doesn't help either as has been shown before, a 3000 mile high, 32 mile wide sun or moon, even when it moves 12,000 miles away can't go below the horizon. And refraction can't push it below and hold it's head under water, so to speak, for 12 hours.



This is a great perspective visualization... that will be promptly ignored.