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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
« on: November 04, 2018, 09:14:49 AM »
There are many things pointed out in those videos that you have not explained, rabinoz. Why are you refusing to explain what is happening in those videos? Your ranting gives the impression that you are in denial over the matter.

That's dishonest. Every single one of these videos has been addressed.

In the mean time, no Flat Earther has tried to debunk the main video in this thread. Not even once.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
« on: November 03, 2018, 08:42:37 PM »
I don't see where you have debunked any of those videos.

You might want to check the last couple of pages. There were a few points made with videos but nothing serious. Such as the Earth rotating in the wrong way.

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The horizon is a circle centered on the observer. By definition, a circle is a figure in 2 dimensions, so inscribed in a plane.

The fact that the horizon is a straight line doesn't disprove Round Earth. On Round Earth the horizon is always a straight line.

You can take as many pictures of the horizon as you want, it doesn't help Flat Earth.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
« on: November 03, 2018, 08:08:33 PM »
As you can see, Globies ignore the evidence against their beloved toy, “ISS”. No amount of enormous evidence proving ISS is fake is going to make a Globie say to a flat earther, “you are correct.”  They can’t have their fantasy toy taken away.

There's a difference between ignoring an argument and refuting it. All the 'evidence against the ISS' so far has been easily debunked.

No Flat Earther has even tried to debunk the actual video of the ISS, though.

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Nice shot! It's not easy to do. A smaller crescent would make things easier.

I'd suggest bumping the ISO to 800 (since the lit part is overexposed anyway). Also, focus manually on infinity before the shot.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Bi-Polar Flat Earth Model
« on: November 01, 2018, 06:58:25 AM »
The refraction of the Sun by the atmosphere increases the duration of dawn, slightly tweaking daytime length including at the equinox. This variation depends on many factors like temperature and humidity.

But if we're not going to criticize bi-polar Earth in this thread, you're not going to criticize Round Earth. Let's be constructive and define the model.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Bi-Polar Flat Earth Model
« on: November 01, 2018, 02:10:05 AM »
This post is definitely needed. The model needs to be detailed.

There can't be any discussion about Flat Earth if every argument stumbles on the fact that TFES supports a mostly undescribed model.

Even the wiki is misleading on this subject, describing the monopole model on every single page under Form and Magnitude. Except for the 2 maps which we are told don't represent anything.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Angle of Sunrise/Sunset
« on: November 01, 2018, 01:37:39 AM »
Edit: I think I found it. On pg 30 of "The Sea-Earth Globe" by Zetetes


The dome on that thing would have an interesting shape  ::)

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
« on: October 31, 2018, 05:55:00 PM »
You ignore that ISS remains mostly stationary to the Sun. Why?

I'm ignoring it because it doesn't make any sense. The ISS couldn't move around the Sun without leaving the Earth. In such a short time, the Earth also remains quite stationary relatively to the Sun. What's supposed to be your point?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: TFES Wiki and Christianism
« on: October 31, 2018, 05:09:16 PM »
Please show me a video of a religious zealot telling people about "the religious mind" or "the Christian."  ::)

The keyword there is, of course, "possibly". If Rowbotham were a zealot there would be no question at all on what is true. This one word alone in this entire work TOTALLY blows any criticism of Rowbotham as being a religious zealot out of the water.

"IF it can be shown," then "possibly," here is the conclusion.

Learn to read. The work has big words and complex subjects and themes for some readers, certainly, but this denial is clearly amateur, childish, and deliberate.

Your entire rebuttal of Rowbotham's thesis still consists in picking the phrasing instead of the content. That's not an acceptable reason. You can continue, but the denial, childishness, and lack of reading is on your part.

If you spent more time reading lengthy books, you would see that words like 'possibly' don't weaken an argument. On the contrary, authors strengthen their argument by using logic.

The conclusion of an 'if/then' structure isn't less endorsed by an author. If the author wasn't convinced of the argument, he wouldn't make it. The logical structure only serves to convince others, it doesn't speak of the author's conviction.

Rowbotham doesn't say that Christianity needs to be proven. He says that his book proves Christianity.

Quote from: Rowbotham
"The Christian will be greatly strengthened, and his mind more completely satisfied, by having it in his power to demonstrate that the Scriptures are philosophically true, than he could possibly be by the simple belief in their truthfulness unsupported by practical evidence."

'Earth not a globe' attempts to display the practical evidence that the Scriptures are true, both literally and philosophically, so that Christianity will be strengthened.

Quote from: Rowbotham
"If the truth of the philosophy of the Scriptures can be demonstrated, then, possibly, their spiritual and moral teachings may also be true;

We know, from the previous statement, that this condition is fulfilled by Rowbotham's evidence.

So this "if" doesn't mean that a doubt remains. This "if" means that Rowbotham's work proves the conclusion, which follows "then".

What exactly is this conclusion?

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they may, and indeed must, have had a Divine origin; and, therefore, there must exist a Divine Being, a Creator and Ruler of the physical and spiritual worlds; and that, after all, the Christian religion is a grand reality, and that he himself, through all his days of forgetfulness and denial of God, has been guarded and cared for as a merely mistaken creature, undeserving the fate of an obstinate, self-willed opponent of everything sacred and superhuman."

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
« on: October 31, 2018, 03:56:44 PM »
Earth rotates Clockwise as ISS remains mostly stationary to the Sun.

The Earth's motion in this video doesn't come from its rotation, but from the ISS cruising it. What you have is a camera that moves along the surface, independently from the Earth. You can see the same from a plane. A plane can move in any direction, and show the surface moving in any opposite direction, that doesn't mean the Earth's rotation is changed.

You don't get to come up with another stupid video everytime the previous one has been debunked. We know you can find as many stupid videos as you want. You don't need to act as Youtube's recommendation algorithm. What you need is to provide arguments.

At some point you have to address the issues that disprove your previous statements. Jumping to the next one is going to get old very very fast. I'm still waiting for you to debunk the original video in this thread, since you're so bent on claiming the ISS is fake.

It was this one:


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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Three pictures debunk the sun
« on: October 31, 2018, 02:48:58 PM »


You're mistaking the light emitted by the Sun (which spreads everywhere) with the reflection of the Sun in the water (which depends on your location).

The same effect can be recreated with a lightbulb and a mirror. You can change the location of the light in the mirror by moving around. You can even bring it in and out of the mirror. But this doesn't change the fact that the room is lit.

Shadows depend on the position of the light, not yours. They're not caused by reflection. When you move around a shadow, the location of the shadow stays the same.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
« on: October 31, 2018, 03:21:08 AM »
The picture you posted has ISS going east to west. The video I posted the ISS is going (as pictured) north north east.  Why the difference?

Which picture, the map or the transit? On the map, the ISS is going North East. As indicated with the letters NE.

On the transit, you would hardly know which way is North without looking at the position of the Moon on the date of the shot.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
« on: October 31, 2018, 02:11:19 AM »
The ALLEDGED ISS is supposed to orbit in the same direction as the earth rotates, from west to east.  But in this video it goes north, north east.  OOPS!

Also, it appears ISS is a hologram.  At 2:11 in the Video, the ISS fades out over a bright spot.

Yes it goes in the direction of the Earth's rotation, in contrast with the opposite direction. That leaves 90° of inclination, for the ISS it's 52°.

The fading you imagine is ridiculous. In every day's life, you would never think that an object more or less illuminated becomes transparent. Just that the light has changed, which is the case across the Moon's surface.

You should try to debunk the first video posted in this thread, if you find any argument.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Angle of Sunrise/Sunset
« on: October 31, 2018, 01:58:12 AM »
At 180° longitude you may have have been shot out of the sky by a foreign military because you can't simply cross into foreign airspace as you please.

Many of these questions are merely theoretical. Planes fly on set routes.

Well if you don't even have a theoretical answer, it won't get any better in practice.

In the real world, East and West are directions that planes can follow, even at the Equator.

The wrap around is given by the sphere. On the bi-polar map, what happens?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
« on: October 31, 2018, 01:44:14 AM »
Look again, every time it passes in front of a lighter spot it gets lighter. This is observable in all ISS videos.

I'm not going to flood this thread with pictures to prove you wrong. You could search "iss transit" in Google image if you were interested.

Anyway, the ISS does not have fuel or engines to maintain a serpentine path. It would need powerful engines and a lot of fuel to maintain such a path at such speeds.

And who's the damn pilot?

And what's the "G force" created during such sharp turns every few minutes?

It doesn't need fuel because it's in orbit. Just like the hundreads of satellites orbiting the Earth that don't have any fuel. Actually fuel would be required to exit the orbit.

There's no pilot. It's not a spaceship. Whatever tiny corrections of trajectory are operated by ground control.

There's no sharp turn or serpentine. A straight line on a globe equals a sinusoidal wave on a Mercator projection, which is used in your map.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Angle of Sunrise/Sunset
« on: October 31, 2018, 01:27:41 AM »
If you were to follow Southward it is entirely possible that you will hit an Ice Wall and assume that you are at Antarctica. If you continue following 'South' on the compass it will wrap and curve around along the edge of the map, across tens of thousands of miles of frozen tundra, until it crosses into water again and crosses an ocean to Antarctica and the South Pole.

One other possibility is that the magnetic field lines die off (curve away towards the South) before hitting an Ice Wall, and if you somehow get into an area beyond the field lines, you are left stranded to die without navigation.

This doesn't answer anything.

Look, I'm an airline pilot for EvilGlobe Airways, a company that thinks I can circumnavigate by following the Equator.

I take off in Ecuador to land in Indonesia, making sure that my latitude remains 0°. I set the autopilot to follow a straight line.

What happens to me at 180° longitude?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Angle of Sunrise/Sunset
« on: October 31, 2018, 01:06:13 AM »
Magnetic Field Lines do not just travel off endlessly into nothing. They wrap around back to the opposite pole to exchange virtual photons.

That's exactly the problem with this map. There is no wrap back, between North and South or East and West.

Alternatively, when you go off the map in that model, you will hit an Ice Wall. Beyond the rays of the sun the waters will naturally freeze.

You're not answering what this mysterious direction is, that takes you from the North Pole to the Ice Wall - or to this location, even if it's not frozen.

It can't be South since it doesn't take you to the South Pole. It can't be North since it takes you away from North. It can't be East or West since you remain in the same longitude.

So what direction is it?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
« on: October 31, 2018, 12:58:30 AM »
Your ISS fantasy is a projection of some type. Look real close. It fades in and out as it treks in front of brighter and darker areas. Very noticeable. Fake, fake fake. Say fake every time it gets lighter.

Again, this is an amateur setup. Everybody can do it and see for themselves. Including you.

The brightness is pretty consistent across the shots. But you're right, there's one lighter than the others, 6th from the right.

It's perfectly expected for different shots to produce slightly different results, mostly because of atmospheric disturbances (also temperature variations inside the camera when it shoots). You would be surprised how astrophotography shots can vary from each other. You often have to shoot many raws and only keep the best ones.

If the transit was fake, the person would have probably copy/pasted the same outline of the ISS across the Moon. You wouldn't see any difference between them.

Here, the subject is consistent but each representation has its own tiny variations. That argument is indeed a proof of authenticity.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Angle of Sunrise/Sunset
« on: October 31, 2018, 12:30:21 AM »
'North' may be in a different direction than North, but will take you to the North Pole if you follow it.

Right then I suppose South will take you to the South Pole if you follow it. Then what is this direction?



When you're at the North Pole, every direction points South. But not this one. So what is it?

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