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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The search for the Colombians comes to an end...

« Last post by mahogany on April 12, 2024, 01:49:05 AM »

A great tragedy has occurred as the true killers of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman will now go scot-free.

I'm a little confused about what this is meant to imply. Having already been acquitted once, O. J. was already guaranteed to never face criminal punishment for his murders no matter how long he lived. The only tragedy here is that O. J. didn't die a long time ago.

Also, everyone has the right to a vigorous and effective legal defense, even the obviously guilty. Blame the police and prosecution for bungling the case, blame the jury for arguably making a dumb decision, but don't blame the defense for being good at their jobs.

I think Action80 is just saying that O.J. Simpson died without ever facing ANY consequences of what he did. I believe he did lose a civil trial and was found guilty which is kind of a consolation but didn't really put O.J. behind bars.

O.J. used to say something along the lines of how he was going to dedicate his life to finding the true killer(s). He really never lived up to that, instead playing golf the rest of his years.

It's true that O.J. had a right to a legal defense but in this case I think we all know who the killer was. He truly was a POS.

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Flat Earth Theory / Flat Earth Theory Inquiry - flat earth model of how the Apr. 8 eclipse worked

« Last post by mahogany on April 11, 2024, 11:55:57 PM »

Based on this past Monday's eclipse, I wanted to inquire about a flat earth model that could show how that particular Apr. 8 eclipse worked.

- In the TFES animation model, the Sun and Moon rotate above the flat earth plane in a circular clock-wise motion (sun "rising" east and setting in the "west" / moon moving in the same circular "east" to "west" general path).

- But, the narrow path of the Apr. 8 total eclipse took an opposite direction (southwest to northeast) path over the United States.

Is there a flat earth animation model that shows how the Sun and Moon moving in a Clockwise ("east" to "west") direction produces an eclipse whose path moves in a southwest (Texas) to northeast (Maine) direction over the US?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: I am wondering why I do not see...

« Last post by Tom Bishop on April 11, 2024, 10:34:01 PM »

It is the fact that you have objects orbiting and rotating on different planes that gives you the answer to your question.

They are not on different planes during the Total Solar Eclipse.

During the Total Solar Eclipse the Sun and Moon are on the same plane with the Earth, the Ecliptic. The Moon is on the Ecliptic during the Total Solar Eclipse.

https://socratic.org/questions/why-don-t-we-have-eclipses-every-month



"The lunar orbit around Earth is tilted 5.8 degrees to ecliptic apparent path of Sun. Moon goes round the Earth once in 27 days 8 hours. But full moon to full moon is 29.5 days. Eclipses happen only at the point of intersection of both these orbits called nodes."

The Total Solar Eclipse can only occur when the Moon intersects the Ecliptic and the Sun.

The Ecliptic intersects the Earth here as in the previous figure we saw:



The highest apex above the Equator the Ecliptic touches on the Earth's surface is the Tropic of Cancer. The Tropic of Cancer clearly cuts through Mexico, at a lower latitude than the USA:



Yet in the recent April 2024 eclipse, the Path of Totality where observers could see the Total Solar Eclipse looked like this. The people in these cities saw a Total Solar Eclipse:




For some reason the Path of Totality was above the Tropic of Cancer, and was angled northward towards Maine. Why is this?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: I am wondering why I do not see...

« Last post by WTF_Seriously on April 11, 2024, 10:16:32 PM »

Why is the Moon's shadow at the time of the Total Solar Eclipse placed elsewhere other than the plane of the ecliptic upon the earth? The time of the Total Eclipse should be where the Moon intersects the Sun on the Ecliptic.

The simple and obvious answer to this is because the earth's not flat with the sun and moon circling above it around a central point.  You've asked the exact question that proves the FE model false.

During a solar eclipse, the declination of the moon and sun are identical.  In the FE world that puts two objects of nearly equal size directly on top of each other over the exact same latitude line.  IF FE were true, at the time of the total eclipse totality must occur at a latitude equal the declination of both.  Having the time of the eclipse occur toward the polar latitudes is geometrically impossible.

It is the fact that you have objects orbiting and rotating on different planes that gives you the answer to your question.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The search for the Colombians comes to an end...

« Last post by honk on April 11, 2024, 07:30:29 PM »

A great tragedy has occurred as the true killers of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman will now go scot-free.

I'm a little confused about what this is meant to imply. Having already been acquitted once, O. J. was already guaranteed to never face criminal punishment for his murders no matter how long he lived. The only tragedy here is that O. J. didn't die a long time ago.

Also, everyone has the right to a vigorous and effective legal defense, even the obviously guilty. Blame the police and prosecution for bungling the case, blame the jury for arguably making a dumb decision, but don't blame the defense for being good at their jobs.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: I am wondering why I do not see...

« Last post by Tom Bishop on April 11, 2024, 06:46:38 PM »

Yes, the RE Earth is tilted in relation to the Ecliptic, and the the area of the Earth deviates to the North or South a bit, but I still would not expect those shapes, locations, or angles the shadow appears and takes. In Round Earth Theory, during the Total Solar Eclipse the Moon is in alignment with the Sun and Earth, on the Ecliptic, so I would expect the shadow to appear on the line of the Ecliptic upon the Earth -- the plane of the Sun-Earth system.

I would expect the Total Solar Eclipse shadow to appear here on this path upon the Earth:



The Total Solar Eclipse occurs when the Moon is aligned with the Ecliptic and the Sun:

https://www.space.com/solar-eclipses-all-ring-shaped-future



Here is a Partial Eclipse, as seen from Earth:

https://rwoconne.github.io/rwoclass/astr1230/4.2-eclipses.html

"Viewed on the celestial sphere from the Earth, the node is where the Moon's celestial path crosses the ecliptic. See the diagram below (click for enlargement). Only if the Sun and Moon are both near the node at the same time can a solar eclipse occur. If the Sun and Moon are both near enough to the node but the alignment is not perfect, a partial eclipse will occur, as in the figure"



Why is the Moon's shadow at the time of the Total Solar Eclipse placed elsewhere other than the plane of the ecliptic upon the earth? The time of the Total Eclipse should be where the Moon intersects the Sun on the Ecliptic.

The "Path of Totality", where the Moon completely completely covers the Sun in Total Solar Eclipse, and the point where the Moon crosses the Ecliptic in the sky to the observer, is often visible to observers from a very odd shape upon the Earth. All of the observers on this darkened path see the Moon completely covering the sun in complete totality:

https://www.exploratorium.edu/eclipse/2024-total-solar-eclipse-guide



I understand the desire to obfuscate, but it is clear that there is something not explained here.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: I am wondering why I do not see...

« Last post by AATW on April 11, 2024, 04:57:13 PM »

That's not an explanation for why it travels North-South. This is an explanation for why a line might appear straight on a globe and make those curves on a map projection. You drew the North-South line there, not explained how that could occur in RE with a Moon which moves East to West.

OK. But why is North-South movement an issue? The rotation of the earth is at an angle so while the shadow may go in a straight line in the East-West direction, that angle means the shadow isn't going to hit the earth at the same latitude as it does so. Plus as I said the earth is rotating as it does so, the ground speed varies by latitude so that adds some complication.
And as I said you get very wide shadows when eclipses appear near the poles - it's not the size of the shadow that's different (although that does change a bit as the moon's distance from us varies - hence annular eclipses when it's too far away to completely obscure the sun), it's the angle of the ground with respect to that shadow that changes.

There is some complication here, admittedly, but a lot of your issues with RE seem to come from you not understanding them and thus concluding they must be impossible.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The search for the Colombians comes to an end...

« Last post by Action80 on April 11, 2024, 04:12:05 PM »

A good read concerning this case is Outrage: The Five Reasons Why O. J. Simpson Got Away with Murder.

Highly suggested.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / The search for the Colombians comes to an end...

« Last post by Action80 on April 11, 2024, 04:10:05 PM »

A great tragedy has occurred as the true killers of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman will now go scot-free.

If there is a hell, this POS will now take his place next to Johnnie Cochrane and F Lee Bailey.

I remember the DNA evidence and what Barry Scheck had to say about it. The thing is, Scheck actually made his living getting people off death row due to the incontrovertible nature of DNA evidence.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/oj-simpson-dead-at-age-76-family-confirms-5626890?utm_source=RTNews&src_src=RTNews&utm_campaign=rtbreaking-2024-04-11-1&src_cmp=rtbreaking-2024-04-11-1&utm_medium=email&est=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa%2BcidhsJxcPN%2FrQut3NAH7F5ww0LIzwgbOIBKcVOYUPVwjDotRvn

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: I am wondering why I do not see...

« Last post by Tom Bishop on April 11, 2024, 03:48:38 PM »

It mentions it just after 3 minutes in.

No, it doesn't explain it. This is what it says at the 3 minute mark, that straight lines will look like curves at another angle:

Angle 1:


Angle 2:


This does not answer why the lines move North-South. It answers a different question of why they might appear curved.

To understand this just put Google Earth in Globe mode, define some straight lines across the globe and then go back in to map projection mode. Voila:



Basically, it's a 2D line - the shadow path - mapped on to a 3D object - the globe - which is also spinning. And the rate of that spin varies with latitude.

It's a bit complicated, but if you look at the example at just after 3 minutes in to that video you can have a go yourself to help you understand it. A lot of your FE belief seems to stem from you not understanding the RE model and thus declaring it impossible.

That's not an explanation for why it travels North-South. This is an explanation for why a line might appear straight on a globe and make those curves on a map projection. You drew the North-South line there, not explained how that could occur in RE with a Moon which moves East to West.

Also, the below are not map projections. The lines do not appear straight or consistently curved here:

http://eclipse-maps.com/Eclipse-Maps/Welcome.html