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Flat Earth Community / Re: NexStar 8SE

« Last post by SteelyBob on October 22, 2021, 09:04:48 AM »

I have been huge space fan since...well, forever. Never got to actually order a proper tool.

So, now I did and can't wait to get it

https://lovethenightsky.com/celestron-nexstar-8se-review/

My question is, do any of the FE people have telescopes? You can get a decent one for like 600$, cheaper second hand.

Many of FE speak about that there is no space, or how to explain moons around other planets if UA was in play, or why does whole universe move up at 1G, constantly, moving almost at speed of light - are telescopes also fake? Like movie cameras?

Anyway, can't wait! Movie or not, it's gonna be a lot of fun!

We've been here before - see https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=17660.msg232068#msg232068

After a long thread with lots of really interesting evidence, including some fantastic videos, discussion about periodic and cumulative errors which seemed to pass some people by completely, we ended up with the go-to get out clause: 'all the videos and photos could be faked'.

It's entirely true, of course - they could be faked. It's just that there is a much more likely explanation...

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Flat Earth Community / Re: NexStar 8SE

« Last post by Tom Bishop on October 22, 2021, 06:29:02 AM »

You can get a decent scope for well under $600. Any cheap equatorial mounted scope will demolish the notion of a sun/moon/stars going in a circle above a flat plane.

Have you ever used an equatorial mounted scope? They only work for a few minutes before drifting off of the target star.

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$700 Equatorial Mount - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NY44782/

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NY44782/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza

"Question: When polar aligned north, can you use a ball head mount to rotate your camera 180* to capture the southern sky without trailing?

Answer: Hi Doyle, YES! Once the head is aligned, move your camera wherever and it will track the object for up to 5 minutes when using a wide-angle the lens. A telephoto (200mm) can only go about 2 minutes."

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In this one, on a page called "Equatorial Mount Tracking Errors" the author shows stars which drift out of shot within a short amount of time on an EQ mount.

http://www.pk3.org/Astro/index.htm?astrophoto_mount_errors.htm

Equatorial Mount Tracking Errors

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"Capture Selected Frames capture mode was selected with period 1 second (exact period was 1.11s)."

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Other types of advanced EQ mount packages are computerized with multiple motorized axis' and have cameras for optical guide tracking and following of a target star, and are more reliable, but this isn't what you're referring to.

Unguided mounts can only track for short amounts of time:

https://starizona.com/blogs/tutorials/exposure-times



https://web.mit.edu/wallace/instruments.html

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Flat Earth Community / Re: NexStar 8SE

« Last post by Astronomer on October 22, 2021, 06:13:35 AM »

You can get a decent scope for well under $600. Any cheap equatorial mounted scope will demolish the notion of a sun/moon/stars going in a circle above a flat plane.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« Last post by Lord Dave on October 22, 2021, 04:09:00 AM »

Tom's goal isn't to show one thing is wromg thst accounts for all, its to show that one thing is dishonest and therefore everything is.

He's the kind of guy who will chop down the tree because of a bad apple.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Cancel culture

« Last post by crutonius on October 21, 2021, 09:17:13 PM »

I've watched this special and I have no idea what the lunatics are on about.  I don't know how it could possibly be construed as transphobic.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Cancel culture

« Last post by Roundy on October 21, 2021, 08:09:22 PM »

"Dave Chappelle showing no signs of getting canceled after sold-out show in London | Fox News" https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/dave-chappelle-not-canceled-sold-out-show-london.amp

Hey, look, even Fox News seems kinda sorta almost ready to admit that cancel culture isn't real.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« Last post by Shifter on October 21, 2021, 06:52:12 PM »

But of an older video but it shows exactly where you can find the number of deaths that cover the old “died of motorcycle accident, had Covid”. It’s around 5% of deaths.

Did you watch the video?

His argument is to admit that people who die of physical injury are being counted as COVID deaths but claims that people who die of physical fatalities is generally a small percent of the number of the people who die so it's irrelevant. It's relevant because it affirms that they are counting anything and that this is an improper counting method. Many more people die to heart attack and cancer and biological causes and will be sweeped into those COVID death statistics. There shouldn't be people who died in motorvehicle crashes in the numbers at all, and just illustrates the point.

I think you're referring to the mention of "Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events". Which in some cases would be accidents and such where the indivudual wouldn't have died if they didn't have Covid. But let's say all of the folks in that category were motorcycle accidents and had covid, died as a result of their injuries. and got dumped into that category.
That accounts for 3% of the Covid deaths. We stand at 732,000 Covid deaths in the US. Remove that 3% if you want. Then the number is now 710,000. And that's if you toss all 3% out. Which you shouldn't but I'm sure you will anyway. Not to mention that there's a lot of study around how we might be undercounting as opposed to over-counting. But I'm sure that stuff doesn't show up in your twitter feeds or the fringe mis-information panic inducing hack non-factual sites you follow.

So with 710k US Covid deaths, what's your point again?

I think you'll find it's now around 752K dead. I know, it's hard to keep up when 50K people are dropping dead every month to this thing 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« Last post by stack on October 21, 2021, 05:48:19 PM »

But of an older video but it shows exactly where you can find the number of deaths that cover the old “died of motorcycle accident, had Covid”. It’s around 5% of deaths.

Did you watch the video?

His argument is to admit that people who die of physical injury are being counted as COVID deaths but claims that people who die of physical fatalities is generally a small percent of the number of the people who die so it's irrelevant. It's relevant because it affirms that they are counting anything and that this is an improper counting method. Many more people die to heart attack and cancer and biological causes and will be sweeped into those COVID death statistics. There shouldn't be people who died in motorvehicle crashes in the numbers at all, and just illustrates the point.

I think you're referring to the mention of "Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events". Which in some cases would be accidents and such where the indivudual wouldn't have died if they didn't have Covid. But let's say all of the folks in that category were motorcycle accidents and had covid, died as a result of their injuries. and got dumped into that category.
That accounts for 3% of the Covid deaths. We stand at 732,000 Covid deaths in the US. Remove that 3% if you want. Then the number is now 710,000. And that's if you toss all 3% out. Which you shouldn't but I'm sure you will anyway. Not to mention that there's a lot of study around how we might be undercounting as opposed to over-counting. But I'm sure that stuff doesn't show up in your twitter feeds or the fringe mis-information panic inducing hack non-factual sites you follow.

So with 710k US Covid deaths, what's your point again?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« Last post by Rama Set on October 21, 2021, 05:36:55 PM »

But of an older video but it shows exactly where you can find the number of deaths that cover the old “died of motorcycle accident, had Covid”. It’s around 5% of deaths.

Did you watch the video?

His argument is to admit that people who die of physical injury are being counted as COVID deaths but claims that people who die of physical fatalities is generally a small percent of the number of the people who die so it's irrelevant.

It's not that it's irrelelvant, it's that it is measurable and accounted for.

It's relevant because it affirms that they are counting anything and that this is an improper counting method.

You patently misunderstand what the relevance of comorbidities and couldn't elaborate on a proper counting method if you tried.

Many more people die to heart attack and cancer and biological causes and will be sweeped into those COVID death statistics.

Evidence will be needed here.

There shouldn't be people who died in motorvehicle crashes in the numbers at all, and just illustrates the point.

Are you an expert in COVID death counting?  Yes or no?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« Last post by Tom Bishop on October 21, 2021, 05:04:24 PM »

But of an older video but it shows exactly where you can find the number of deaths that cover the old “died of motorcycle accident, had Covid”. It’s around 5% of deaths.

Did you watch the video?

His argument is to admit that people who die of physical injury are being counted as COVID deaths but claims that people who die of physical fatalities is generally a small percent of the number of the people who die so it's irrelevant. It's relevant because it affirms that they are counting anything and that this is an improper counting method. Many more people die to heart attack and cancer and biological causes and will be sweeped into those COVID death statistics. There shouldn't be people who died in motorvehicle crashes in the numbers at all, and just illustrates the point.