Ok, I am a relatively firm believer that the Earth is round, though I would be interested if somebody could explain to me their point of view. Then I will explain mine. And please, don't just turn this into a cyber shouting match.The definitive answer is:
Ok, I am a relatively firm believer that the Earth is round, though I would be interested if somebody could explain to me their point of view. Then I will explain mine. And please, don't just turn this into a cyber shouting match.The definitive answer is:
"The earth looks flat, therefore it must be."
Nothing presented to support RE theory will be accepted without definitive proof, yet everything supporting FE theory is accepted without proof such as:
Celestial gears, NASA guards at the south pole, shadow moon object, massive space conspiracy, magic gravity, bendy light, etc.
You get used to it after a while.
The definitive answer is:
"The earth looks flat, therefore it must be."
Nothing presented to support RE theory will be accepted without definitive proof, yet everything supporting FE theory is accepted without proof such as:
Celestial gears, NASA guards at the south pole, shadow moon object, massive space conspiracy, magic gravity, bendy light, etc.
You get used to it after a while.
I noticed that, which is why I started this forum to get some answers from the FE believers. Still waiting for some real evidence.
I'm sorry Junker, but it would almost seem that you have decided that I am not a proponent of flat earth and therefore not entitled to voice my opinion?The definitive answer is:
"The earth looks flat, therefore it must be."
Nothing presented to support RE theory will be accepted without definitive proof, yet everything supporting FE theory is accepted without proof such as:
Celestial gears, NASA guards at the south pole, shadow moon object, massive space conspiracy, magic gravity, bendy light, etc.
You get used to it after a while.
I am happy you feel the need to speak for flat earth proponents, but please refrain form doing so.
I'm sorry Junker, but it would almost seem that you have decided that I am not a proponent of flat earth and therefore not entitled to voice my opinion?The definitive answer is:
"The earth looks flat, therefore it must be."
Nothing presented to support RE theory will be accepted without definitive proof, yet everything supporting FE theory is accepted without proof such as:
Celestial gears, NASA guards at the south pole, shadow moon object, massive space conspiracy, magic gravity, bendy light, etc.
You get used to it after a while.
I am happy you feel the need to speak for flat earth proponents, but please refrain form doing so.
Can you give me some real evidence of flat-earth theory? All attempts I have seen to explain it have flimsy warrants and a complete lack of accepting the possibility of being wrong. And also, I believe this would qualify as a low-content post.I'm sorry Junker, but it would almost seem that you have decided that I am not a proponent of flat earth and therefore not entitled to voice my opinion?The definitive answer is:
"The earth looks flat, therefore it must be."
Nothing presented to support RE theory will be accepted without definitive proof, yet everything supporting FE theory is accepted without proof such as:
Celestial gears, NASA guards at the south pole, shadow moon object, massive space conspiracy, magic gravity, bendy light, etc.
You get used to it after a while.
I am happy you feel the need to speak for flat earth proponents, but please refrain form doing so.
To borrow a page from Vashet, arguing flat-earth theory is like swimming. You can try and fake it, but that's obvious to anyone watching.
Can you give me some real evidence of flat-earth theory? All attempts I have seen to explain it have flimsy warrants and a complete lack of accepting the possibility of being wrong. And also, I believe this would qualify as a low-content post.
As something along the lines of "Friendly Debate":
Samuel Birley Rowbotham, a 19th Century Englishman, said he measured the distance from the earth to the moon and it was 3000 miles.
Some Amateur Radio Operators, 21st Century Americans , said they measured the distance from the earth to the moon and it was 238150 miles.
Who or Which would you believe ?
As something along the lines of "Friendly Debate":
Samuel Birley Rowbotham, a 19th Century Englishman, said he measured the distance from the earth to the moon and it was 3000 miles.
Some Amateur Radio Operators, 21st Century Americans , said they measured the distance from the earth to the moon and it was 238150 miles.
Who or Which would you believe ?
Neither?
Why "Neither" ?
Who would you believe ? Someone or something else ?
I'll be honest. I'm biased. I'm a Duly Licensed Amateur Radio Operator (Licensed by the Federal Communications Commission in The United States Of America ).
So I would believe my fellow Ham Radio Operators. But we are all part of the vast "Round Earth Conspiracy" so you can't believe us ! LOL
But if you were a true "Flat Earth Believer" you would believe Rowbotham. After all , he was both a Doctor of Philosophy (PhD) as well as a Doctor of MedIcine (MD).
But I'm a confirmed "Round Earth Believer" and I wouldn't believe the Good Doctor. LOL
But would you believe anyone ? An Astronomical Observatory, for example ?
They say the average distance is 238857 miles ; the closest 225622 miles; the longest 252088 miles.
The ham radio operator measurements fall within these parameters.
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Ok, I am a relatively firm believer that the Earth is round, though I would be interested if somebody could explain to me their point of view. Then I will explain mine. And please, don't just turn this into a cyber shouting match.The definitive answer is:
"The earth looks flat, therefore it must be."
Nothing presented to support RE theory will be accepted without definitive proof, yet everything supporting FE theory is accepted without proof such as:
Celestial gears, NASA guards at the south pole, shadow moon object, massive space conspiracy, magic gravity, bendy light, etc.
You get used to it after a while.
I noticed that, which is why I started this forum to get some answers from the FE believers. Still waiting for some real evidence.
Once again. Same old thing. Ask a flat earther a question. It's been 5 days now and no reply.
Once again. Same old thing. Ask a flat earther a question. It's been 5 days now and no reply.
More likely no one answered you because the formatting of your question was garbage.
Once again. Same old thing. Ask a flat earther a question. It's been 5 days now and no reply.
More likely no one answered you because the formatting of your question was garbage.
Garbage ?
It was intended as a friendly debate on whom you would believe as to the distance from the earth to the moon.
I just stated my opinion and the reason for it and would have been interested in other opinions and the other reasons for them.
Simple as that.
Which brings up a question.:
Why, in your opinion , do you consider it garbage ?
Once again. Same old thing. Ask a flat earther a question. It's been 5 days now and no reply.
More likely no one answered you because the formatting of your question was garbage.
Ok, I am a relatively firm believer that the Earth is round, though I would be interested if somebody could explain to me their point of view. I have a few questions I would like to ask: Where is the proof that the Earth is flat? How would a flat Earth actually work? What causes gravity in FET? What proof do you have that RET is wrong?
An interesting observation. The mentality of some of our more... passionate "debunkers" has always intrigued me.
The truth is elusive; the facts are not. It's a fact that the earth is round, whether or not the people on this site choose to realize that.An interesting observation. The mentality of some of our more... passionate "debunkers" has always intrigued me.
I think lawyers are smarter than scientists. I base this on the fact that lawyers more than any of the rest of us know how to use language. Lawyers run things and scientists are servants. Lawyers understand that, in terms of human affairs, the truth is illusive; what people can be convinced of is more important than what is actually true. Science very easily can slip into sophistry and it can be hard to tell the difference sometimes.
"The truth is elusive; the facts are not." Not a true statement. Evidence is not always trustworthy as it can be misinterpreted or manufactured. The facts are often in question. Which is why we have lawyers and courts and which is why lawyers have the great power they have. Scientists don't have power. They are cheap and always subservient. Kaiku, Tyson, Nye, Dawkins, Hawking, et al amount to being hucksters.
I think lawyers are smarter than scientists. I base this on the fact that lawyers more than any of the rest of us know how to use language. Lawyers run things and scientists are servants.
I believe in God and I go to church (Methodist) regularly and read my Bible.
By the way those, "hardworking scientists and engineers" have no qualms what so ever making weapons of mass destruction for crazy despots.
They are subservient to whoever signs their paychecks....Lawyers Rule! Scientists are just intellectual grunts.
They are subservient to whoever signs their paychecks....Lawyers Rule! Scientists are just intellectual grunts.
Are you under the impression that lawyers don't draw paychecks? Do you think Big Oil, Big Pharma, or Big (fill in your bad guy of choice) have all their lawyers working for the love of the cause?
I heard Oppenheimer died a depressed and broken man. That's what he gets for being a military toady.
I don't understand why debunkers come here to argue with flat earth people.
Case 1: flat earth adherents are hoaxers. If you argue with them you are only giving them the attention they want and you aren't really advancing your viewpoint. Therefore you are stupid.
Case 2: flat earthers are dim. If you engage them in an argument it means you are picking on a poor wretch and that makes you a cruel bully. And, again, you are being stupid if you think you are advancing your viewpoint.
Case 3: flat earthers are lunatics. If you engage them in and argument it means you are cruel. And again that is stupid.
So I am supposed to believe that you care about "the children"? LOL ... What Bullshit! Leo Tolstoy pointed out that whenever people do messed up things they always do it for the good of others. Are you serious!!! ???I don't understand why debunkers come here to argue with flat earth people.
Case 1: flat earth adherents are hoaxers. If you argue with them you are only giving them the attention they want and you aren't really advancing your viewpoint. Therefore you are stupid.
Case 2: flat earthers are dim. If you engage them in an argument it means you are picking on a poor wretch and that makes you a cruel bully. And, again, you are being stupid if you think you are advancing your viewpoint.
Case 3: flat earthers are lunatics. If you engage them in and argument it means you are cruel. And again that is stupid.
Case 4: There are individual flat earthers who fit each of the cases above, and who fall on a spectrum between options as well. I engage in discussion here NOT in the hopes of moving a true believer off his or her conviction, but in order to arm with knowledge those kids who come here after hearing the likes of Tila Tequila or B.o.B talking about flat earth. I want to convince THEM that the flat earth side is wrong. I know full well that an adult true-believer is beyond my reach, just as they know that I am beyond their reach.
I heard Oppenheimer died a depressed and broken man. That's what he gets for being a military toady.
Schadenfreude? Not very Love filled or christian.
"I have been away from here for a short time and I come back to that?? You can thank mutual destruction for saving millions of lives. Sure there are bad seeds everywhere....but that statement is rediculous."
"You can thank mutual destruction for saving millions of lives. " The voice of mendacious propaganda. I don't buy it. Saving lives! As if you cared.
For the record I love puppies
So I am supposed to believe that you care about "the children"? LOL ... What Bullshit!
So I am supposed to believe that you care about "the children"? LOL ... What Bullshit!
Fantastic stuff! There's the church-going, Bible-reading, username "Love" making the Methodists proud! Believe what you want, makes no difference to me. If you would like to return to civil conversation, I'm up for that. If not, I'll leave you alone.
Case 5;
I have a long standing interest in conspiracy theorists, my father believed in all sorts, we were descended from alien visitors, dark forces and shadow organisations, so I was bought up on Von Daniken and the belief that we would be invaded by Russia.
When one of my sons started sending me links about “chem trails “ and the holographic projection of the 9/11 planes I thought, O dear the nutcase gene had resurfaced.
During our subsequent discussions I mentioned “flat earthers” as a denigrating insult (I know I'm coming across here as the perfect parent but I'm not) and he pointed out that there was such a society. I was incredulous so I came to have a look, I lurked, read the wiki and a lot of posts and got hooked.
First and foremost amongst the outright bampots there are some very nice people here, from both sides of the debate.
Why do I stay and argue? Well I like arguing, it's fun, it makes you re-evaluate your beliefs, but rounder does have a point, I'm not sure that many of the founders truly believe all of this but there are a few lost souls that pass through here and altruist that I am, If I can arrest one of them from the slide to mental illness I can rest easy.
I will buy that you like to argue. But your remark about Shadenfreude was a passive aggressive, smart ass remark such as I would hear from and emotional cripple. You want to hurt people. I don't buy you have any altruistic purpose in posting in a place like this.
So I am supposed to believe that you care about "the children"? LOL ... What Bullshit!
Fantastic stuff! There's the church-going, Bible-reading, username "Love" making the Methodists proud! Believe what you want, makes no difference to me. If you would like to return to civil conversation, I'm up for that. If not, I'll leave you alone.
"I have been away from here for a short time and I come back to that?? You can thank mutual destruction for saving millions of lives. Sure there are bad seeds everywhere....but that statement is rediculous."
"You can thank mutual destruction for saving millions of lives. " The voice of mendacious propaganda. I don't buy it. Saving lives! As if you cared.
For the record I love puppies
You say friendly debate....yet I am becoming convinced you have very few friendly bones in your body. I could go down the numbers on how mutual destruction decreased wars, however I don't think it would sink in. Just wondering, do you think it is a coincidence that superpowers haven't went at it with each other yet? They just pick on non nuclear countries and bully them.
You say you go to church ever week...yet you have so much hatred raging inside of you. Though this is the norm that I have found with people who have to announce they go to church "every week"... Usually it's just lip service, yet the heart is black.
You hate scientist yet you put lawyers on a pedestal, that certainly makes sense doesn't it?? Some scientist build bombs, others try to cure aids....some lawyers fight for the weak and innocent, others intentionally fight to free people they know are murders and win. Your broad ignorant statements of hate breeds racism, prejudice and blind ignorance.
I say one thing, and you say " like you care about saving people". Such arrogance and ignorance. What do you know about me? I care not to correct you either, I follow what Yehushua said, I do my deeds for Him and to help people, not for narcissistic desires. So think what you want, I could care less, just wanted to point out more ignorance.
I have two trades . I have a doctorate in mechanical engineering and do "scientific" work all the time. Yet I have a master's in music theory, and have a respectable name in the music field. So how do you classify me in your short sided hate filled ignorant classifications, this might cause a contradiction?
I would worry about that darkness brewing in your soul before you start throwing stones
Did anyone stay when Yehushua told the one without sin to throw the first stone.....?
So I am supposed to believe that you care about "the children"? LOL ... What Bullshit!
Fantastic stuff! There's the church-going, Bible-reading, username "Love" making the Methodists proud! Believe what you want, makes no difference to me. If you would like to return to civil conversation, I'm up for that. If not, I'll leave you alone.
I did not want to spend the time looking for Love's post so decided to reply to yours.
There is something I have noticed as I have gone through life:
Liars think everyone else are liars.
Thieves think everyone else steal.
Selfish people think others motives are selfish.
I had a roommate in the army that was constantly worried about people stealing his stuff. It was discovered he was breaking into rooms and stealing stuff. Just as an example.
I think Love's Christians values do not include caring for others. So it is hard for him to believe someone would post here in the hopes preventing someone heading down the FE/conspiracy rabbit hole.
I have witnessed someone go down that path. He became more and more convinced ignored any counter evidence. It started off slow, but as time went by it got worse and worse.Starting thinking he found evidence in movies, ties politicians wore, logos, mascots, road signs, expanding into other conspiracy theories, etc.
Which is the reason I post here and when I run across a youtube videos that make claims with no evidence. Personally I think some here arguing for FET do not really believe the Earth is flat and do not realize they just may convince a young person that it is and what it implies.
All that education and all you can manage are the utterances of a witless, charmless, pedantic bigot. You are also given to hyperbole and presumption. Hate, Rage: Clearly you don't know what they are and I hope you never find out.
Thank you for sharing.
Mmm. I want to hurt people? And I am an emotional cripple! And the schadenfreude comment was passive aggressive. Well that about covers it.
The schadenfreude comment was made with a dawning realisation of the type of person you are, as with many Christians you are condescending and aggressive, presumably as you are part of a threatened, increasingly marginalised cult in its death throws that can’t defend itself in the face of logical scientific thought, you seek to lash out against your tormenters. Good luck with that, you will fail.
I don't see how I have exaggerated or assumed incorrectly anything you have said so far. I can go cut and paste a statement to back up everything I have spoken.
Pure drivel. Jesus also said remove the log from your own eye before trying to remove the sliver from another's. I am not your problem. I am a mere peasant disgusted with the human condition. Your remarks are way over the top.
Yes I would consider myself a "bigot" to damaging mentalities that can harm people. This does not mean I am not open minded.
As for hate and rage, besides them being an automatic and easy human emotion. Besides it being the one thing that will harden someone's heart, with 100s of warnings from Yahweh and Yehushua. Besides these things, which shows EVERYONE knows this emotion and should look to rebuke it because if it's damaging nature. From mid of 2015 to the first of 2016 I lost EVERY single family member I had (I am only 32). BELIEVE me, I know what hate and rage is. I just choose to listen to the warnings given about it. I know if I let it take hold even a little, I will never regain control.
My whole point of my irritated post before. You are falling into the typical "Christian" model. Self appointed, judgemental state of mind with arrogant, short sided, ignorant views. This does more damage to Yahweh and the Bible than any athiest/agnostic could do. They just let it happen, point, and say see....This is also the reason I don't consider myself "Christian" and you will never catch me in a church. Yet I consider the ultimate truth to be Yahweh/Yehushua...yet this man made "Christian " "religion" I despise. Though that is the nature of "religion" abolish that and we would be better off.
So please look at yourself and make sure you are not falling in this trap. From your words, it sure seems like you are falling or already fell.
Ask yourself how many wars are, and was driven by religion. American soldiers go to war in the name of God, sent by a congress and a president sworn in to embassy holding the Bible. ISIS, Boku Harram, militant Buddhists in Myanmar, the Japanese onslaught down east Asia during WW2, and the list goes on.
You can thank humans and human nature for the destruction of our world. Adding religion as an excuse for righteous killing is beyond madness. Stating that religion is the true path to peace, morals and ethics is even worse. Hypocrisy at best. All it shows is that you support an institution responsible for countless of pointless deaths, justified by the whole "God told us that..." ignorance. It doesn't matter how peaceful an individual is on either side.
That's the problem right there! Easier how? Nuclear weapons? Yeah, some people figured they'd use that technology for bad, even though nuclear power is the cleanest energy production we know of.Ask yourself how many wars are, and was driven by religion. American soldiers go to war in the name of God, sent by a congress and a president sworn in to embassy holding the Bible. ISIS, Boku Harram, militant Buddhists in Myanmar, the Japanese onslaught down east Asia during WW2, and the list goes on.
You can thank humans and human nature for the destruction of our world. Adding religion as an excuse for righteous killing is beyond madness. Stating that religion is the true path to peace, morals and ethics is even worse. Hypocrisy at best. All it shows is that you support an institution responsible for countless of pointless deaths, justified by the whole "God told us that..." ignorance. It doesn't matter how peaceful an individual is on either side.
Christ did not change human nature. Nature is not configured along the lines of human compassion. Christ' death and resurrection did stop the blood sacrifice that pagan and goddess worshipping cultures used to do at festivals and at the initiation of business, engineering and military adventures. A lot of times the sacrifice was human. Christians are just as messed up as any other group and are more responsible for the world being a mess than any other group. I say this because Christianity has been, by far, the most successful political movement of history. Religion and a personal relationship with the Creator are not the same thing.
Your comment is deflective and doesn't negate anything I have stated. Plus you have presumed, wrongly so, as to what I valued. I love God! I love Jesus! I read my Bible and pray everyday. I don't pretend I am any better than anyone else. Religion is corrupted. I love the Catholic church. They have done more (IMHO) for the advancement of western civilization than any other entity. However, they have also created great iniquity due to the corrupting influence of success and power. I don't pretend to be righteous.
Religion, like any other institution devised by men, is subject to corruption.
"You can thank humans and human nature for the destruction of our world. " And you can thank scientists for making the destruction of the world easier.
That's the problem right there! Easier how? Nuclear weapons? Yeah, some people figured they'd use that technology for bad, even though nuclear power is the cleanest energy production we know of.Ask yourself how many wars are, and was driven by religion. American soldiers go to war in the name of God, sent by a congress and a president sworn in to embassy holding the Bible. ISIS, Boku Harram, militant Buddhists in Myanmar, the Japanese onslaught down east Asia during WW2, and the list goes on.
You can thank humans and human nature for the destruction of our world. Adding religion as an excuse for righteous killing is beyond madness. Stating that religion is the true path to peace, morals and ethics is even worse. Hypocrisy at best. All it shows is that you support an institution responsible for countless of pointless deaths, justified by the whole "God told us that..." ignorance. It doesn't matter how peaceful an individual is on either side.
Christ did not change human nature. Nature is not configured along the lines of human compassion. Christ' death and resurrection did stop the blood sacrifice that pagan and goddess worshipping cultures used to do at festivals and at the initiation of business, engineering and military adventures. A lot of times the sacrifice was human. Christians are just as messed up as any other group and are more responsible for the world being a mess than any other group. I say this because Christianity has been, by far, the most successful political movement of history. Religion and a personal relationship with the Creator are not the same thing.
Your comment is deflective and doesn't negate anything I have stated. Plus you have presumed, wrongly so, as to what I valued. I love God! I love Jesus! I read my Bible and pray everyday. I don't pretend I am any better than anyone else. Religion is corrupted. I love the Catholic church. They have done more (IMHO) for the advancement of western civilization than any other entity. However, they have also created great iniquity due to the corrupting influence of success and power. I don't pretend to be righteous.
Religion, like any other institution devised by men, is subject to corruption.
"You can thank humans and human nature for the destruction of our world. " And you can thank scientists for making the destruction of the world easier.
Bombs? We use TNT to blow our way through mountains, making transportation easier.
The list of pro and con is endless. In the end, you can't blame science for that. Regardless of the tools provided, there's still a person pulling the trigger. Whether or not science made destruction easier is irrelevant, intentions would be the same regardless.
Don't fear what you cannot understand.
This is exactly what I think is the problem with the world. People. People who for some reason feel their agenda is more righteous or pure than other people's agenda. As if their path in life and what they strive for is more correct than others, based only on something as stupid as what could be defined as "political correctness".That's the problem right there! Easier how? Nuclear weapons? Yeah, some people figured they'd use that technology for bad, even though nuclear power is the cleanest energy production we know of.Ask yourself how many wars are, and was driven by religion. American soldiers go to war in the name of God, sent by a congress and a president sworn in to embassy holding the Bible. ISIS, Boku Harram, militant Buddhists in Myanmar, the Japanese onslaught down east Asia during WW2, and the list goes on.
You can thank humans and human nature for the destruction of our world. Adding religion as an excuse for righteous killing is beyond madness. Stating that religion is the true path to peace, morals and ethics is even worse. Hypocrisy at best. All it shows is that you support an institution responsible for countless of pointless deaths, justified by the whole "God told us that..." ignorance. It doesn't matter how peaceful an individual is on either side.
Christ did not change human nature. Nature is not configured along the lines of human compassion. Christ' death and resurrection did stop the blood sacrifice that pagan and goddess worshipping cultures used to do at festivals and at the initiation of business, engineering and military adventures. A lot of times the sacrifice was human. Christians are just as messed up as any other group and are more responsible for the world being a mess than any other group. I say this because Christianity has been, by far, the most successful political movement of history. Religion and a personal relationship with the Creator are not the same thing.
Your comment is deflective and doesn't negate anything I have stated. Plus you have presumed, wrongly so, as to what I valued. I love God! I love Jesus! I read my Bible and pray everyday. I don't pretend I am any better than anyone else. Religion is corrupted. I love the Catholic church. They have done more (IMHO) for the advancement of western civilization than any other entity. However, they have also created great iniquity due to the corrupting influence of success and power. I don't pretend to be righteous.
Religion, like any other institution devised by men, is subject to corruption.
"You can thank humans and human nature for the destruction of our world. " And you can thank scientists for making the destruction of the world easier.
Bombs? We use TNT to blow our way through mountains, making transportation easier.
The list of pro and con is endless. In the end, you can't blame science for that. Regardless of the tools provided, there's still a person pulling the trigger. Whether or not science made destruction easier is irrelevant, intentions would be the same regardless.
Don't fear what you cannot understand.
People would be just as happy without science. I can blame science and scientists if I feel like it. You make no good case not to. Science is dangerous and scientists are irresponsible. There are copious amounts of pollution because of science. There are technologies of mass destruction because of science. The things that put joy into the heart and health into the body do not require science.
The only thing I fear is harm coming to a loved one.
"Don't fear what you cannot understand." This comes from a place of pure hubris. You would be wise to take your own advice.
I don't see how I have exaggerated or assumed incorrectly anything you have said so far. I can go cut and paste a statement to back up everything I have spoken.
Pure drivel. Jesus also said remove the log from your own eye before trying to remove the sliver from another's. I am not your problem. I am a mere peasant disgusted with the human condition. Your remarks are way over the top.
Yes I would consider myself a "bigot" to damaging mentalities that can harm people. This does not mean I am not open minded.
As for hate and rage, besides them being an automatic and easy human emotion. Besides it being the one thing that will harden someone's heart, with 100s of warnings from Yahweh and Yehushua. Besides these things, which shows EVERYONE knows this emotion and should look to rebuke it because if it's damaging nature. From mid of 2015 to the first of 2016 I lost EVERY single family member I had (I am only 32). BELIEVE me, I know what hate and rage is. I just choose to listen to the warnings given about it. I know if I let it take hold even a little, I will never regain control.
My whole point of my irritated post before. You are falling into the typical "Christian" model. Self appointed, judgemental state of mind with arrogant, short sided, ignorant views. This does more damage to Yahweh and the Bible than any athiest/agnostic could do. They just let it happen, point, and say see....This is also the reason I don't consider myself "Christian" and you will never catch me in a church. Yet I consider the ultimate truth to be Yahweh/Yehushua...yet this man made "Christian " "religion" I despise. Though that is the nature of "religion" abolish that and we would be better off.
So please look at yourself and make sure you are not falling in this trap. From your words, it sure seems like you are falling or already fell.
Pure drivel. Jesus also said remove the log from your own eye before trying to remove the sliver from another's. I am not your problem. I am a mere peasant disgusted with the human condition. Your remarks are way over the top. I don't need you to tell me how to act or what to think. The only knowledge you display is technocratic propaganda. I doubt you care for anything as much as you care for your own ego.
Honestly, this thread has just devolved into various personal attacks stemming from both parties(for the most part), there's no real point to continuation of this... conversation. It's most likely that most everyone who contributed is at fault to some degree, and no one will change their opinions on the advent of science. You don't have to slander each other, it's unnecessary.If you don't like it don't read it. I like to argue. No one has ever said anything to me that caused me to lose any sleep and I doubt I can really hurt anybody. Everyone wants to be treated with respect and we get miffed when that doesn't happen. But nothing that goes on in a chat room like this is of any real consequence to anybody. It is light entertainment and that is all. By the way there are about 5 guys picking on me. People just hate seeing their sacred cows assailed. You be well. Your heart is in the right place.
I don't see how I have exaggerated or assumed incorrectly anything you have said so far. I can go cut and paste a statement to back up everything I have spoken.
Pure drivel. Jesus also said remove the log from your own eye before trying to remove the sliver from another's. I am not your problem. I am a mere peasant disgusted with the human condition. Your remarks are way over the top.
Yes I would consider myself a "bigot" to damaging mentalities that can harm people. This does not mean I am not open minded.
As for hate and rage, besides them being an automatic and easy human emotion. Besides it being the one thing that will harden someone's heart, with 100s of warnings from Yahweh and Yehushua. Besides these things, which shows EVERYONE knows this emotion and should look to rebuke it because if it's damaging nature. From mid of 2015 to the first of 2016 I lost EVERY single family member I had (I am only 32). BELIEVE me, I know what hate and rage is. I just choose to listen to the warnings given about it. I know if I let it take hold even a little, I will never regain control.
My whole point of my irritated post before. You are falling into the typical "Christian" model. Self appointed, judgemental state of mind with arrogant, short sided, ignorant views. This does more damage to Yahweh and the Bible than any athiest/agnostic could do. They just let it happen, point, and say see....This is also the reason I don't consider myself "Christian" and you will never catch me in a church. Yet I consider the ultimate truth to be Yahweh/Yehushua...yet this man made "Christian " "religion" I despise. Though that is the nature of "religion" abolish that and we would be better off.
So please look at yourself and make sure you are not falling in this trap. From your words, it sure seems like you are falling or already fell.
Pure drivel. Jesus also said remove the log from your own eye before trying to remove the sliver from another's. I am not your problem. I am a mere peasant disgusted with the human condition. Your remarks are way over the top. I don't need you to tell me how to act or what to think. The only knowledge you display is technocratic propaganda. I doubt you care for anything as much as you care for your own ego.
Everyone has free will, I can't tell you how to act. Just letting you know what I observe, it's what should be done out of concern and love for a fellow humans well being. I am not the only one to observe these issues in your behavior. It is also not unusual for certain "religious " backgrounds.
If you actually had a conversation instead of spending so much time broadly condemning groups of people you might find out there are things in common. Such as maybe I agree that society is at a critical deterioration.
Also be very leery of using "justifications" of why you are a "good person". This is what the Pharisees would do. If you believe in what Yehushua has said and Yahweh, there is no such thing.
I apologize for the very brief fragmented response, I am on two days of no sleep and about to finally crash. There is obviously alot more to respond with.
Also yes I did make a unhealthy response telling you to go hug a puppy. It was made out of ignorance of your statement, yet also fueled from a long month and growing irritation not related to you or anything based from this forum. So for this I do apologize for
I don't see how I have exaggerated or assumed incorrectly anything you have said so far. I can go cut and paste a statement to back up everything I have spoken.
Pure drivel. Jesus also said remove the log from your own eye before trying to remove the sliver from another's. I am not your problem. I am a mere peasant disgusted with the human condition. Your remarks are way over the top.
Yes I would consider myself a "bigot" to damaging mentalities that can harm people. This does not mean I am not open minded.
As for hate and rage, besides them being an automatic and easy human emotion. Besides it being the one thing that will harden someone's heart, with 100s of warnings from Yahweh and Yehushua. Besides these things, which shows EVERYONE knows this emotion and should look to rebuke it because if it's damaging nature. From mid of 2015 to the first of 2016 I lost EVERY single family member I had (I am only 32). BELIEVE me, I know what hate and rage is. I just choose to listen to the warnings given about it. I know if I let it take hold even a little, I will never regain control.
My whole point of my irritated post before. You are falling into the typical "Christian" model. Self appointed, judgemental state of mind with arrogant, short sided, ignorant views. This does more damage to Yahweh and the Bible than any athiest/agnostic could do. They just let it happen, point, and say see....This is also the reason I don't consider myself "Christian" and you will never catch me in a church. Yet I consider the ultimate truth to be Yahweh/Yehushua...yet this man made "Christian " "religion" I despise. Though that is the nature of "religion" abolish that and we would be better off.
So please look at yourself and make sure you are not falling in this trap. From your words, it sure seems like you are falling or already fell.
Pure drivel. Jesus also said remove the log from your own eye before trying to remove the sliver from another's. I am not your problem. I am a mere peasant disgusted with the human condition. Your remarks are way over the top. I don't need you to tell me how to act or what to think. The only knowledge you display is technocratic propaganda. I doubt you care for anything as much as you care for your own ego.
Everyone has free will, I can't tell you how to act. Just letting you know what I observe, it's what should be done out of concern and love for a fellow humans well being. I am not the only one to observe these issues in your behavior. It is also not unusual for certain "religious " backgrounds.
If you actually had a conversation instead of spending so much time broadly condemning groups of people you might find out there are things in common. Such as maybe I agree that society is at a critical deterioration.
Also be very leery of using "justifications" of why you are a "good person". This is what the Pharisees would do. If you believe in what Yehushua has said and Yahweh, there is no such thing.
I apologize for the very brief fragmented response, I am on two days of no sleep and about to finally crash. There is obviously alot more to respond with.
Also yes I did make a unhealthy response telling you to go hug a puppy. It was made out of ignorance of your statement, yet also fueled from a long month and growing irritation not related to you or anything based from this forum. So for this I do apologize for
Thank you Baby. I am impressed. You have shown a little class. I am sorry about your family. Sincere condolences
Hate and rage are dynamic. Trollery on the internet is petty.
I never said I was a 'good person'. Many times in my past I wish I would have been a smarter, stronger person. I'm not a criminal. I threaten nobody with any violence. I am not even a good scrapper. I am not proselytizing. Rather I am venting disgust. People have been ganging up on me and I like it. Call it a guilty pleasure. But as far as the problems of the world go I am sure I am as guilty as anyone else for the world being a mess.
"If you actually had a conversation instead of spending so much time broadly condemning groups " So far in these threads I am not condemning anybody. I criticize the philosophy that science has moved the human race in a positive direction. I think science has created a monster and people are deluded if they think otherwise. A remark like this seems condescending and presumptuous to me. If people wouldn't shoot their cute little digs at me I would have no problem carrying on a decent conversation.
I condemn liars. Oh, sure I have lied. Sneaked cigarettes and donuts behind my wife's back...an occasional line of coke but I have never fucked anybody over. The people who rule us are liars, thiefs, murderers and predatory perverts. I condemn them as juris prudence aught but it won't because they control juris prudence.
Where do the lies end and the truth begin? I do not know. You round earthers condemn me because I won't buy the sophistries that come from those you consider authorities. Maybe you are right. But I do not know that and just because you say so is not compelling.
Thank you Baby. I am impressed. You have shown a little class. I am sorry about your family. Sincere condolences
Hate and rage are dynamic. Trollery on the internet is petty.
I never said I was a 'good person'. Many times in my past I wish I would have been a smarter, stronger person. I'm not a criminal. I threaten nobody with any violence. I am not even a good scrapper. I am not proselytizing. Rather I am venting disgust. People have been ganging up on me and I like it. Call it a guilty pleasure. But as far as the problems of the world go I am sure I am as guilty as anyone else for the world being a mess.
"If you actually had a conversation instead of spending so much time broadly condemning groups " So far in these threads I am not condemning anybody. I criticize the philosophy that science has moved the human race in a positive direction. I think science has created a monster and people are deluded if they think otherwise. A remark like this seems condescending and presumptuous to me. If people wouldn't shoot their cute little digs at me I would have no problem carrying on a decent conversation.
I condemn liars. Oh, sure I have lied. Sneaked cigarettes and donuts behind my wife's back...an occasional line of coke but I have never fucked anybody over. The people who rule us are liars, thiefs, murderers and predatory perverts. I condemn them as juris prudence aught but it won't because they control juris prudence.
Where do the lies end and the truth begin? I do not know. You round earthers condemn me because I won't buy the sophistries that come from those you consider authorities. Maybe you are right. But I do not know that and just because you say so is not compelling.
Funny thing is you sum me up with round earth being a motivation as "attacking" you. The funny thing is, none of my replies to you has mentioned anything about the shape of the earth.
I have spoken out against your mind set, for I consider it dangerous to yourself and others. I have already responded to this in your other thead so I will not go into detail again as it would be redundant.
I will just quickly sum up, to hate an entire group for the actions of a few from said group is a dangerous cycle. Also going by that logic, you should hate everyone and everything.
This mentality is the catalyst for the greatest atrocities in human history, rather it be for religious, political or other justifications
Ok, I am a relatively firm believer that the Earth is round, though I would be interested if somebody could explain to me their point of view. I have a few questions I would like to ask: Where is the proof that the Earth is flat? How would a flat Earth actually work? What causes gravity in FET? What proof do you have that RET is wrong?
Where is the proof that the Earth is flat?
Fluid dynamics support a plane.
How would a flat Earth actually work?
As it does now through a managed system.
What causes gravity in FET?
FET is a wholesale ideology. On a plane, "gravity" could be be a function that is constantly being applied as static part of the environment in furtherance of management.
What proof do you have that RET is wrong?
A failure to provide a true view of the Earth as described by the RET ideology.
My point of view in haiku.
Unknown origin
And unknown environment
Without a purpose
Ok, I am a relatively firm believer that the Earth is round, though I would be interested if somebody could explain to me their point of view. I have a few questions I would like to ask: Where is the proof that the Earth is flat? How would a flat Earth actually work? What causes gravity in FET? What proof do you have that RET is wrong?
Here I am hugging a puppy!
OP: Where is the proof that the Earth is flat?Everything from brine pools, water and the air above seems to be part of a layered system that comes to rest by self leveling.
magic: Fluid dynamics support a plane.
TotesNotReptilian: Fine, I'll bite. What does fluid dynamics have to do with the flat/round earth?
OP: How would a flat Earth actually work?I don't know the composition of the "managers" of this managed system. There is however a system that suppresses individuals by diverting them and following generations through their life cycle from determining any of the three elements of the haiku. The diverting is facilitated by the choices we make, all of which end with the result of being content with a solution to the 3 unknowns.
magic: As it does now through a managed system.
TotesNotReptilian: Who manages it? People? Aliens?Reptilians?Amphibians?
OP: What causes gravity in FET?Gravity may be an inherent part of the environment which is in turn part of the managed system we experience.
magic: FET is a wholesale ideology. On a plane, "gravity" could be be a function that is constantly being applied as static part of the environment in furtherance of management.
TotesNotReptilian: Word soup is confusing. Are you trying to say that the "managers" are controlling gravity?
OP: What proof do you have that RET is wrong?NASA had an opportunity but failed to provide consistent scale in the photos they presented as genuine articles depicting the Earth. There is some work by others showing this inconsistency in scale. Providing more work in the future could mean that they either now have objectively genuine photos, or have simply persisted with insisting everything they have released was genuine despite never answering to the anomaly regarding scale. I'm biased towards them failing to furnish a genuine article and everything following is in furtherance of managing this ideology supported by group think and other frailties we suffer.
magic: A failure to provide a true view of the Earth as described by the RET ideology.
TotesNotReptilian: First, a lack of pictures doesn't prove the earth isn't round. It just proves no one has released pictures of it. Second, there ARE quite a few pictures of the entire earth:
Lots of new pictures almost every day (http://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/)
A few other pictures. (https://www.quora.com/Why-are-there-no-real-photographs-of-earth-from-space) <-- Article also contains a good explanation of why there aren't tons more pictures.
Everything from brine pools, water and the air above seems to be part of a layered system that comes to rest by self leveling.
NASA had an opportunity but failed to provide consistent scale in the photos they presented as genuine articles depicting the Earth. There is some work by others showing this inconsistency in scale. Providing more work in the future could mean that they either now have objectively genuine photos, or have simply persisted with insisting everything they have released was genuine despite never answering to the anomaly regarding scale. I'm biased towards them failing to furnish a genuine article and everything following is in furtherance of managing this ideology supported by group think and other frailties we suffer.
TotesNotReptilian,
Thanks for the correction regarding the misuse of the term Fluid Dynamics, I'm glad you received the intent of my message. As for that part of the discussion it will stop at the discussion of gravity because we will just grind gears on that we've both seen that plenty of times in a discussion on this topic and it won't be productive. Water in a large body as an ocean is difficult to properly observe as the level is being constantly disturbed by the motion of the currents creating peaks.
The comments I make regarding a management are my own and I'll leave it at that again as to not grind on something I cannot yet present with hard support (only speculative).
Regarding the comments relating to the scale of these official photos of the Earth an example is here. This has been discussed several times and I feel that this variance is an issue with determining if any of the photos are the genuine article.
Photo 1: http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/57000/57723/globe_west_2048.jpg
Photo 2: http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_feature/public/thumbnails/image/187_1003705_americas_dxm.png?itok=NWzaquaC
TotesNotReptilian,It's all a matter of distance from earth.Yes, I agree that it would be good if NASA stated that for each photo. Here are a couple of "simulations" (using Google Earth) of earth viewed from two altitudes.
Thanks for the correction regarding the misuse of the term Fluid Dynamics, I'm glad you received the intent of my message. As for that part of the discussion it will stop at the discussion of gravity because we will just grind gears on that we've both seen that plenty of times in a discussion on this topic and it won't be productive. Water in a large body as an ocean is difficult to properly observe as the level is being constantly disturbed by the motion of the currents creating peaks.
The comments I make regarding a management are my own and I'll leave it at that again as to not grind on something I cannot yet present with hard support (only speculative).
Regarding the comments relating to the scale of these official photos of the Earth an example is here. This has been discussed several times and I feel that this variance is an issue with determining if any of the photos are the genuine article.
Photo 1: http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/57000/57723/globe_west_2048.jpg
Photo 2: http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_feature/public/thumbnails/image/187_1003705_americas_dxm.png?itok=NWzaquaC
(http://i.imgur.com/65GaynI.jpg) North America - 4500 miles altitude | (http://i.imgur.com/Y97fGkT.jpg) North America - 21500 miles altitude |