The Flat Earth Society
Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: Lord Dave on August 15, 2022, 03:32:07 PM
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https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/08/gop-operative-wants-lgbtq-community-put-isolation-camps-protection/?ICID=ref_fark
TLDR:
Couple people who won nominations in Arizona think we should go all nazi on any LGBTQ person to stop the spread of Monkeypox.
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Rounding up "undesirables" and putting them into camps has never led to a bad outcome, right?
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I'm sure it's better that we continue to allow a tiny subsection of the population to spread diseases without repercussion. I'm sure it's merely coincidence that the same population of people that spread HIV are now spreading a totally-not-sexually-transmitted disease around yet again. It's truly mysterious. The disease itself must be a bigot. Better yet, let's do the same thing we did with HIV: blame the CIA! The CIA made it because they hate the gays!
It's obviously not purely a homosexual disease since lesbians seem unaffected. I think it has more so to do with a subsection of gay men who have absolutely zero health standards when it comes to sticking their dicks into each other's asses. This, unsurprisingly, spreads disease. It, unsurprisingly, causes people to attach the notion of disease spread with gay men. Obviously, isolation camps for gays are not the solution, but there needs to be some response to a disease that is being spread across the country by a few very specific kind of people.
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Gay men just get laid a lot more often than straight men. If straight guys could get sex as easily they would. Unfortunately straight women just aren't as dtf because they're women and not obsessed with sex.
No, the solution is obviously not punishing a whole group of people because some of them are having a lot of sex. The solution is making the fucking vaccine more widely available.
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Men really need to learn to wear condoms.
Unfortunately straight women just aren't as dtf because they're women and not obsessed with sex.
hmm
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Honestly, Roundy is right, with the usual provisos of "not all men", "not all women", etc. Consequently, the solution is not to round up all gay people, but rather to launch a National Sex Register and round up all people who have sex too often.
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Men really need to learn to wear condoms.
I'm not entirely clear on this but I don't think a condom would do much to stop this since skin to skin contact is enough to spread it.
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Men really need to learn to wear condoms.
I'm not entirely clear on this but I don't think a condom would do much to stop this since skin to skin contact is enough to spread it.
Full body condom.
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A couple of these will do...Ankles may be a problem though...
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1091/2138/products/blueamonguscostumeforadultsinflatableblowup.jpg?v=1625622472)
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Sorry, are we in CN here?
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6469755/
Been a around a while and the last outbreak was contained in 2017. 5 years later, American dumbasses break that.
The virus is primarily transmitted by direct contact with infectious secretions from animals via handling of infected animals or consumption of poorly cooked bush meat.
Note the lack of butt sex.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6469755/
Been a around a while and the last outbreak was contained in 2017. 5 years later, American dumbasses break that.
The virus is primarily transmitted by direct contact with infectious secretions from animals via handling of infected animals or consumption of poorly cooked bush meat.
Note the lack of butt sex.
Ah, come on...It does not state which body part is handling the animal.
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American dumbasses break that.
This outbreak originated in Europe...
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American dumbasses break that.
This outbreak originated in Europe...
Really?
Huh. All I hear is America. Didn't know any other country had an outbreak.
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Really?
Huh. All I hear is America. Didn't know any other country had an outbreak.
That's because you're quick to hate on Americans any chance you get.
An ongoing outbreak of monkeypox, a viral disease, was confirmed in May 2022. The initial cluster of cases was found in the United Kingdom, where the first case was detected on 6 May 2022 in an individual with travel links to Nigeria (where the disease is endemic). The outbreak marked the first time monkeypox has spread widely outside Central and West Africa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_monkeypox_outbreak
This is the article the wiki references: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/05/monkeypox-outbreak-covid-pandemic/629920/
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Really?
Huh. All I hear is America. Didn't know any other country had an outbreak.
That's because you're quick to hate on Americans any chance you get.
An ongoing outbreak of monkeypox, a viral disease, was confirmed in May 2022. The initial cluster of cases was found in the United Kingdom, where the first case was detected on 6 May 2022 in an individual with travel links to Nigeria (where the disease is endemic). The outbreak marked the first time monkeypox has spread widely outside Central and West Africa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_monkeypox_outbreak
This is the article the wiki references: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/05/monkeypox-outbreak-covid-pandemic/629920/
Probably.
Or its because I read mostly American news and such. Being American and all.
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It’s probably the latter.
When I’ve been in the US and seen the news it is like the rest of the world doesn’t exist.
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Probably.
Or its because I read mostly American news and such.
The Atlantic is American news. Or maybe you're suggesting Rushy and I get our info from overseas?
Being American and all.
I know you're American.
It’s probably the latter.
When I’ve been in the US and seen the news it is like the rest of the world doesn’t exist.
He does not live in America.
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It’s probably the latter.
When I’ve been in the US and seen the news it is like the rest of the world doesn’t exist.
He does not live in America.
Ah. Fair enough.
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Probably.
Or its because I read mostly American news and such.
The Atlantic is American news. Or maybe you're suggesting Rushy and I get our info from overseas?
I don't read The Atlantic. Mostly facebook and NPR.
Well, I'm happy to admit to being wrong and I appologize for blaming an American for something an idiot UKer did.
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Men really need to learn to wear condoms.
I'm not entirely clear on this but I don't think a condom would do much to stop this since skin to skin contact is enough to spread it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-health-and-wellness/sex-men-not-skin-contact-fueling-monkeypox-new-research-suggests-rcna43484
(https://i.imgur.com/p1uvIlZ.png)
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While this all may be true, however, from your article:
This debate, however, is far from settled.
Dr. Rosamund Lewis, technical lead for monkeypox at the World Health Organization, told NBC News it was “unfortunate but true” that “we don’t know yet” whether the virus is predominantly transmitted through intercourse.
“Completely reading the situation as uniquely due to anal or oral sex is highly likely to be overreach,” she said. “The correlation may appear to be strong, but that does not explain the whole picture of disease caused by this virus. So we need to keep an open mind.”
Hopefully, more research will nail this all down.
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Fluid exchange seems to be the transmission method.
So if a woman swallows a man's cum or has intercourse... She could get infected.
Or if you kiss someone with tongue.
Bite someome.
Share a needle.
Blood.
Butt fucking might do it too, but its not the only method.
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Fluid exchange seems to be the transmission method.
So if a woman swallows a man's cum or has intercourse... She could get infected.
Or if you kiss someone with tongue.
Bite someome.
Share a needle.
Blood.
Butt fucking might do it too, but its not the only method.
Incorrect. It's primarily a disease among homosexual men.
(https://i.imgur.com/Mw6WlJF.png)
See also: https://archive.ph/BNB8f
(https://i.imgur.com/2HXjHFl.png)
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Fluid exchange seems to be the transmission method.
So if a woman swallows a man's cum or has intercourse... She could get infected.
Or if you kiss someone with tongue.
Bite someome.
Share a needle.
Blood.
Butt fucking might do it too, but its not the only method.
Incorrect. It's primarily a disease among homosexual men.
(https://i.imgur.com/Mw6WlJF.png)
See also: https://archive.ph/BNB8f
(https://i.imgur.com/2HXjHFl.png)
Again that doesn't pinpoint anal sex as the method of transmission. It could be. It could also be that gay men are extremely promiscuous.
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Fluid exchange seems to be the transmission method.
So if a woman swallows a man's cum or has intercourse... She could get infected.
Or if you kiss someone with tongue.
Bite someome.
Share a needle.
Blood.
Butt fucking might do it too, but its not the only method.
Incorrect. It's primarily a disease among homosexual men.
(https://i.imgur.com/Mw6WlJF.png)
See also: https://archive.ph/BNB8f
(https://i.imgur.com/2HXjHFl.png)
Why do you do that?
Why do you always post a picture of the site instead of a link?
The link, btw
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/monkeypox-is-a-sexually-transmitted-infection-and-knowing-that-can-help-protect-people/
Its an opinion piece. But generally it seems to point to men, primarily non-white men, who have sex with other men.
This could strongly imply that women are resistant to the disease or that anal sex is the cause and women do that far less.
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Incorrect. It's primarily a disease among homosexual men.
What exactly is the point you are trying to make? Is it more of a PSA out to gay men that they should probably get the vaccine sooner rather than later if they plan to engage in intercourse?
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Incorrect. It's primarily a disease among homosexual men.
What exactly is the point you are trying to make?
Why not read what I was replying to? It was suggested that it wasn't a gay disease. That suggestion was incorrect. It is a gay disease.
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Incorrect. It's primarily a disease among homosexual men.
What exactly is the point you are trying to make?
Why not read what I was replying to? It was suggested that it wasn't a gay disease. That suggestion was incorrect. It is a gay disease.
Gay disease: a disease only gay people can get.
Which means it only affect men. Right? Women are immune?
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Incorrect. It's primarily a disease among homosexual men.
What exactly is the point you are trying to make?
Why not read what I was replying to? It was suggested that it wasn't a gay disease. That suggestion was incorrect. It is a gay disease.
Define “gay disease”.
Apparently it hasn’t really been a “gay disease”, whatever that means, since 1970...
African monkeypox cases not concentrated among gay men, experts say (https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/african-monkeypox-cases-not-concentrated-among-gay-men-experts-say-2022-08-04/)
JOHANNESBURG, Aug 4 (Reuters) - Monkeypox outbreaks in Africa are not concentrated among gay men, unlike in other parts of the world, experts from the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Africa CDC said on Thursday.
But in Africa, where repeated outbreaks have been documented since the 1970s, the pattern of transmission is different, the experts said.
"Currently 60% of the cases that we have - the 350 - 60% are men, 40% are women," said epidemiologist Dr Otim Patrick Ramadan, who was answering questions on monkeypox at a media briefing organised by the WHO's regional office in Africa, and who was referring to the continent's number of current cases.
"We've been collecting data on monkeypox since 1970 and that particular indicator, men having sex with men, has never come up as a significant issue here in Africa," he said.
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Actually that page specifies that everything outside of the original African Monkeypox, such as the modern outbreak in western countries, is a gay disease.
(https://i.imgur.com/CxRTwpu.png)
Gay disease: a disease only gay people can get.
Which means it only affect men. Right? Women are immune?
It primarily affects homosexuals, making it a gay disease. It also primarily affects men, making it specifically a gay male disease.
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Actually that page specifies that everything outside of the original African Monkeypox, such as the modern epidemic in western countries, is a gay disease.
(https://i.imgur.com/CxRTwpu.png)
Then its not a gay disease. Its a disease making its way through the gay community primarily.
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“Gay disease” is not a medical term. It’s something bigots say. Like bigots did with AIDS in the 80s.
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The medical community originally referred to AIDS as GRID, the “Gay-Related Infectious Disease”.
So they did use the words Gay and Disease.
https://www.being-here.net/page/664/hiv-aids-and-policy
"In the Netherlands the first person was diagnosed with AIDS in 1981. Jeanette Kok, working as a 'social nurse' for the Health Service Amsterdam recalls how she was asked by Dr. Roel Coutinho to interview the first patients (de Goei 2003). She would hold lengthy conversations with the people who were sometimes already very ill and their friends and family to learn about their behaviour in order to understand how these young men were infected. At the time HIV was not yet known, medical expertise did not know how to treat it, and it was unclear how it was transmitted. Because it was usually gay men in the USA and Europe who were first diagnosed, it was called the 'gay cancer' at the time (officially: Gay Related Infectious Disease, G.R.I.D.). The homosexual communities had to deal with the rapid death of friends in large numbers from an illness that nobody knew of. This was a traumatic experience for many people involved. On top of that the discrimination against homosexual life grew worse once again, whereas it had improved significantly in the seventies, because the fear of catching the 'gay cancer' dominated the public discourse (Eihblyn 1990)."
https://www.voanews.com/a/a-13-a-2003-08-14-35-breakthrough-67319357/271050.html
"The faces of HIV/AIDS have changed greatly in color over the past 20 years. In the early days, the disease was called GRID, which stood for gay related infectious disease."
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It's not bigotry to call monkeypox a gay disease. It's absolutely a disease that primarily affects gay men in the West, just like AIDS was in the 80s (the majority of HIV cases are STILL homosexual men, 40 years later!). It is not bigotry to state that gay men are primary vectors for all sorts of diseases and we need to start having some sort of health campaigns that inform gay men on how to fuck each other without spreading horrible diseases. They are very obviously doing things that other people don't do which is making them more vulnerable to serious illnesses.
Do you know why old religions instituted anti-gay-male rhetoric into their religious texts? Because gay men kept getting sick. What does that mean? God hates the gays! It was obvious to our ancestors that homosexual men were at much higher risk of getting serious illnesses. It should be obvious to us today. Stating otherwise is hurting the gay community more than helping it by trying to ignore the higher risk of serious illness that they are facing.
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The medical community originally referred to AIDS as GRID, the “Gay-Related Infectious Disease”.
Yes and the original outlook on AIDS was quite homophobic.
So they did use the words Gay and Disease.
You would have to be stupid or unscrupulous to conflate "Gay-related Infectious Disease" with the phrase "Gay Disease". Which are you?
It's not bigotry to call monkeypox a gay disease. It's absolutely a disease that primarily affects gay men in the West,
But not exclusively, right? So calling it a gay disease in not only untrue, it could lead to heterosexuals believing they are not at risk. Just like with AIDS back in the 80s.
just like AIDS was in the 80s (the majority of HIV cases are STILL homosexual men, 40 years later!).
That's absolutely not true. If you look at the actual rates of infection among gay men by country (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV_and_men_who_have_sex_with_men#List_of_estimated_HIV_infection_rates_by_country) you will see that that is true in only one country, Mauritania. Gay men are often over-represented, but many of the countries with high prevalence of AIDS have other social and legal issues that may prevent gay men from practicing safer sex.
It is not bigotry to state that gay men are primary vectors for all sorts of diseases and we need to start having some sort of health campaigns that inform gay men on how to fuck each other without spreading horrible diseases.
I agree. That is materially different than referring to something as a "Gay Disease".
They are very obviously doing things that other people don't do which is making them more vulnerable to serious illnesses.
Moar unprotected butt sex!
Do you know why old religions instituted anti-gay-male rhetoric into their religious texts? Because gay men kept getting sick. What does that mean? God hates the gays! It was obvious to our ancestors that homosexual men were at much higher risk of getting serious illnesses.
This sounds exactly like something that is made up to try and prove a point. You have no idea why people wrote what they wrote in the bible.
Stating otherwise is hurting the gay community more than helping it by trying to ignore the higher risk of serious illness that they are facing.
The strawest of strawmen.
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The medical community originally referred to AIDS as GRID, the “Gay-Related Infectious Disease”.
Yes and the original outlook on AIDS was quite homophobic.
Is HIV Plus Magazine homophobic for publishing opinion pieces calling it a gay disease?
https://www.hivplusmag.com/opinion/guest-voices/2014/02/19/listen-hiv-still-gay-disease
(https://i.imgur.com/T1OiusV.jpg)
Is The Atlantic homophobic?
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2011/11/aids-still-a-gay-disease-in-america/249242/
(https://i.imgur.com/IHVTXvU.png)
Is the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force homophobic too?
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/top-gay-organization-comes-clean-hiv-is-a-gay-disease/
(https://i.imgur.com/fC4cLkp.png)
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The medical community originally referred to AIDS as GRID, the “Gay-Related Infectious Disease”.
Yes and the original outlook on AIDS was quite homophobic.
Is HIV Plus Magazine homophobic for publishing opinion pieces calling it a gay disease?
Just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks? Great diversionary tactics.
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Just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks? Great diversionary tactics.
I don't know why you guys let him drag the discussion down to his level so often.
This is clearly a disease which mostly spreads amongst gay men. It's equally clear what the agenda of anyone calling it a "gay disease" is.
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It is quite frankly annoying that the rest of society has to continually deal with a small subset of the population spreading serious diseases. Can't wait for the next totally-not-gay-disease to crop up that mysteriously affects gay men more than everyone else through absolutely no fault of the gay men.
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Do you know why old religions instituted anti-gay-male rhetoric into their religious texts? Because gay men kept getting sick.
I did not know this. I thought it was just an anti-sodomy thing. What were the sicknesses? Is there a source for this?
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Do you know why old religions instituted anti-gay-male rhetoric into their religious texts? Because gay men kept getting sick.
I did not know this. I thought it was just an anti-sodomy thing. What were the sicknesses? Is there a source for this?
The source is that I made it up.
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It is quite frankly annoying that the rest of society has to continually deal with a small subset of the population spreading serious diseases.
I know. We were all pretty irritated with all the anti-vaxxers these past few years.
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It is quite frankly annoying that the rest of society has to continually deal with a small subset of the population spreading serious diseases.
I know. We were all pretty irritated with all the anti-vaxxers these past few years.
One could only wish that the anti-vaxxers were a "small subset" of the population.
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It is quite frankly annoying that the rest of society has to continually deal with a small subset of the population spreading serious diseases. Can't wait for the next totally-not-gay-disease to crop up that mysteriously affects gay men more than everyone else through absolutely no fault of the gay men.
It could be something as simple as "Anal sex transmits disease easier and guys don't wear codoms when they do because its not a woman."
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Just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks? Great diversionary tactics.
It shows that you don't have much of an argument. Homosexuals themselves have conceded that HIV/AIDS a "gay disease". Any disease which disproportionately affects and is spread by gays is a gay disease.
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Just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks? Great diversionary tactics.
It shows that you don't have much of an argument. Homosexuals themselves have conceded that HIV/AIDS a "gay disease". Any disease which disproportionately affects and is spread by gays is a gay disease.
Tuberculosis (TB) (https://www.niaid.nih.gov/research/diseases-disproportionately-affecting-minorities)
In 2015, 87 percent of all TB cases in the United States occurred in racial and ethnic minorities, particularly in Hispanics, Asians, and African Americans.
I guess then, disproportionally, 87% qualifies as labeling TB a 'racial and ethnic minority diesease'?
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Sure, but that is irrelevant to the fact that Monkeypox in the west is a gay disease.
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Just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks? Great diversionary tactics.
It shows that you don't have much of an argument. Homosexuals themselves have conceded that HIV/AIDS a "gay disease". Any disease which disproportionately affects and is spread by gays is a gay disease.
I’m obviously going to hold you, a bigot who has repeatedly declared homosexuals as immoral and deviant, to a different standard than an advocacy group.
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Sure, but that is irrelevant to the fact that Monkeypox in the west is a gay disease.
Then why are hetero people getting it too?
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Sure, but that is irrelevant to the fact that Monkeypox in the west is a gay disease.
Then why are hetero people getting it too?
The obvious conclusion is that they were just pretending to be straight but were homosexual men the entire time.
Yes even the women who caught it.
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I’m obviously going to hold you, a bigot who has repeatedly declared homosexuals as immoral and deviant, to a different standard than an advocacy group.
I don't have a problem with you if you are a homosexual. I more have a problem with your denial of reality, the one here being that Monkeypox is clearly a gay disease.
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I’m obviously going to hold you, a bigot who has repeatedly declared homosexuals as immoral and deviant, to a different standard than an advocacy group.
I don't have a problem with you if you are a homosexual. I more have a problem with your denial of reality, the one here being that Monkeypox is clearly a gay disease.
Now who is denying reality? You clearly have a problem with homosexuals. That’s why you insist on labeling this disease as a gay disease even though that moniker holds little value.
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Now who is denying reality? You clearly have a problem with homosexuals. That’s why you insist on labeling this disease as a gay disease even though that moniker holds little value.
Honesty does hold value. It is a disservice to pretend that it's not a gay disease by avoiding labeling it as such and to force people to read into it to have that knowledge. If gays know that there are gay diseases that they are specifically at risk for then they can avoid becoming a victim. They can be on top safety, avoid risky activity, and be more vigilant about testing for HIV / Syphilis / Monkeypox to avoid becoming one of these people -
Pictured: German monkeypox patient whose nose started to ROT because his undiagnosed HIV and syphilis left his immune system ravaged (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11119463/Pictured-Monkeypox-patient-nose-started-rot.html)
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If breeders think it's just a gay disease they will feel they are not at risk then they won't avoid becoming a victim. They won't be on top of safety, won't avoid risky activity, and won't be more vigilant about testing for HIV / Syphilis / Monkeypox and won't avoid becoming one of those people.
Someone is still stuck in the 80's, the "we must stigmatize" era.
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If breeders think it's just a gay disease they will feel they are not at risk then they won't avoid becoming a victim. They won't be on top of safety, won't avoid risky activity, and won't be more vigilant about testing for HIV / Syphilis / Monkeypox and won't avoid becoming one of those people.
Someone is still stuck in the 80's, the "we must stigmatize" era.
I didn't say anything about it needing to be stigmatized. Gay advocacy groups have described HIV as a gay disease. It's a description.
Monkeypox is likewise clearly a gay disease.
https://youtu.be/lrF2H8-Sk7k?t=185
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If breeders think it's just a gay disease they will feel they are not at risk then they won't avoid becoming a victim. They won't be on top of safety, won't avoid risky activity, and won't be more vigilant about testing for HIV / Syphilis / Monkeypox and won't avoid becoming one of those people.
Someone is still stuck in the 80's, the "we must stigmatize" era.
I didn't say anything about it needing to be stigmatized. Gay advocacy groups have described HIV as a gay disease. It's a description.
I didn't say you said it needed to be stigmatized, stigmatization is a byproduct of such labeling. You apparently learned nothing from the 80's. From the UN:
HIV/AIDS and Education: Lessons from the 1980s and the Gay Male Community in the United States (https://www.un.org/en/chronicle/article/hivaids-and-education-lessons-1980s-and-gay-male-community-united-states)
Initially mislabeled "gay-related immune deficiency" (GRID), valuable time was lost in responding to the crisis because most felt safe in the belief that they were not at risk. Since early victims were predominantly gay men, the stigma attached to homosexuality in the medical, governing, law enforcement and ecclesiastical institutions became a barrier to understanding, prevention, and treatment.
Exactly my point above. "Hey, it's a Gay Disease, I'm not gay, so nothing to worry about. Ok, off to the swingers convention I go..."
Monkeypox is likewise clearly a gay disease.
Who is this Lauren Southern character in the video and what expertise does she possess? Oh yeah, I forgot, you sure know how to pick them...
Some academics and journalists have described Southern as a white nationalist for her promotion of the Great Replacement and white genocide conspiracy theories, though she has denied being a white nationalist.[2][10] Southern promoted the Great Replacement conspiracy theory via her YouTube video of the same name, released in July 2017;[11][12][13] the video was reported to have helped to promote the white nationalist viewpoint, having garnered over 600,000 views by March 2019.[11][14] She has been described as an advocate of the white genocide conspiracy theory for her documentary Farmlands (2018), in which she suggested the imminence of a race war in South Africa in response to supposedly racially motivated South African farm attacks.[15][16][17][18]
The Southern Poverty Law has an article on her, an examination of near-neo-nazi tendencies...
Lauren Southern: The alt-right’s Canadian dog whistler (https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/11/07/lauren-southern-alt-right%E2%80%99s-canadian-dog-whistler)
To be expected that your source would fall into the nutty alt-right nationalist bucket.
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If you can't directly rebut her Monkeypox video and need to spam us with some leftist thing you found about unrelated videos then you really have lost. Posting an off-topic response shows that you don't have any good arguments to what you saw.
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If you can't directly rebut her Monkeypox video and need to spam us with some leftist thing you found about unrelated videos then you really have lost. Posting an off-topic response shows that you don't have any good arguments to what you saw.
*ahem* Thank you for giving no fucks about expertise when it suits your purposes. You talk about honesty yet possess none of it. Lauren Southern also has a history of flat out lying about facts to deliver her polemics to the slavering mouthes of brain dead conservatives. Look in to her agitprop on immigration to learn more.
Stack is absolutely right that your poor description will lead to more prevalence of the disease. It’s still absolutely telling that instead of wanting the most accurate and helpful description of the disease you have instead chosen to label it using a group that you have in the past labeled as immoral and disgusting.
Have you considered that Monkeypox is primarily affecting men who have sex with men because that was its entry point and because it is spread most effectively by extreme close contact it has been slow to spread to other epidemiological groups?
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If you can't directly rebut her Monkeypox video and need to spam us with some leftist thing you found about unrelated videos then you really have lost. Posting an off-topic response shows that you don't have any good arguments to what you saw.
*ahem* Thank you for giving no fucks about expertise when it suits your purposes. You talk about honesty yet possess none of it. Lauren Southern also has a history of flat out lying about facts to deliver her polemics to the slavering mouthes of brain dead conservatives. Look in to her agitprop on immigration to learn more.
If you actually have something to say about the Monkeypox video, I would be happy to listen and respond.
If you don't have any direct argument whatsoever and want to talk about accusations about an unrelated video, then you should do us a favor and keep quiet and know your place as the losing party of the discussion. It is embarrassing for you to have to reply to a video about Monkeypox with a discussion about an unrelated video. Arguing about something off-topic when confronted with on-topic content is a sign of defeat. You don't have any good response to the content of the video.
Stack is absolutely right that your poor description will lead to more prevalence of the disease.
The articles by gay advocates who promote calling HIV a gay disease argue the opposite -
https://www.hivplusmag.com/opinion/guest-voices/2014/02/19/listen-hiv-still-gay-disease
When the right wing claims HIV was a gay disease, gay leaders recoiled in rage. HIV, they said, was everyone’s problem. In a big picture snapshot that is accurate. But in the U.S. it’s a lie. The virus is safely encamped in the bodies of men who have sex with other men (a term of epidemiology coined by scientists, which makes trans women — deeply affected by HIV — invisible in the epidemic).
Author John-Manuel Androite says that in the mid-'80s a national coalition called National Organizations Responding to AIDS (NORA) made a decision — a deliberate decision — that echoes even today in how the U.S. addresses HIV.
“What they did was they framed the discussion about HIV for lawmakers in terms of public health; as a public health crisis, not a gay community crisis per se,” Andriote says. “What they did, very intentionally, was to emphasize the impact of HIV on non-gay people, specifically women and children.”
Androite authored the book Victor Deferred: How AIDS Changed Gay America, which tracks the political impact of the epidemic on the LGBT rights movement.
“Unfortunately, the unexpected impact or effect of that de-gaying strategy was that the federal government was very happy to pay attention and focus resources on women and kids,” he says. “But the attitude was still that gay men could sort of fend for themselves.”
It’s still absolutely telling that instead of wanting the most accurate and helpful description of the disease you have instead chosen to label it using a group that you have in the past labeled as immoral and disgusting.
Have you considered that Monkeypox is primarily affecting men who have sex with men because that was its entry point and because it is spread most effectively by extreme close contact it has been slow to spread to other epidemiological groups?
Possibilities for why it is affecting gay men and possible future developments is speculation on your part and is irrelevant to the fact that it is a gay disease. All current indications suggest that it is a disease which predominantly affects the gay male community.
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If you can't directly rebut her Monkeypox video and need to spam us with some leftist thing you found about unrelated videos then you really have lost. Posting an off-topic response shows that you don't have any good arguments to what you saw.
*ahem* Thank you for giving no fucks about expertise when it suits your purposes. You talk about honesty yet possess none of it. Lauren Southern also has a history of flat out lying about facts to deliver her polemics to the slavering mouthes of brain dead conservatives. Look in to her agitprop on immigration to learn more.
If you actually have something to say about the Monkeypox video, I would be happy to listen and respond.
I did have something to say about it: it’s creator is a known liar, a shitty “journalist” and not a medical expert. It’s not worth the bytes it’s encoded on.
If you don't have any direct argument whatsoever and want to talk about accusations about an unrelated video, then you should do us a favor and keep quiet and know your place as the losing party of the discussion. It is embarrassing for you to have to reply to a video about Monkeypox with a discussion about an unrelated video. Arguing about something off-topic when confronted with on-topic content is a sign of defeat. You don't have any good response to the content of the video.
If a known liar tells me something is true, I am justifiably skeptical and do not need to engage with them.
The articles by gay advocates who promote calling HIV a gay disease argue the opposite -
https://www.hivplusmag.com/opinion/guest-voices/2014/02/19/listen-hiv-still-gay-disease
When the right wing claims HIV was a gay disease, gay leaders recoiled in rage. HIV, they said, was everyone’s problem. In a big picture snapshot that is accurate. But in the U.S. it’s a lie. The virus is safely encamped in the bodies of men who have sex with other men (a term of epidemiology coined by scientists, which makes trans women — deeply affected by HIV — invisible in the epidemic).
Author John-Manuel Androite says that in the mid-'80s a national coalition called National Organizations Responding to AIDS (NORA) made a decision — a deliberate decision — that echoes even today in how the U.S. addresses HIV.
“What they did was they framed the discussion about HIV for lawmakers in terms of public health; as a public health crisis, not a gay community crisis per se,” Andriote says. “What they did, very intentionally, was to emphasize the impact of HIV on non-gay people, specifically women and children.”
Androite authored the book Victor Deferred: How AIDS Changed Gay America, which tracks the political impact of the epidemic on the LGBT rights movement.
“Unfortunately, the unexpected impact or effect of that de-gaying strategy was that the federal government was very happy to pay attention and focus resources on women and kids,” he says. “But the attitude was still that gay men could sort of fend for themselves.”
They are advocating, in a utilitarian way, for a strategy that will force people, bigots like you, to pay attention to the health issues facing the community affected most by Monkeypox. How does that mean that bigots aren’t using it to minimize the same community?
It’s still absolutely telling that instead of wanting the most accurate and helpful description of the disease you have instead chosen to label it using a group that you have in the past labeled as immoral and disgusting.
Have you considered that Monkeypox is primarily affecting men who have sex with men because that was its entry point and because it is spread most effectively by extreme close contact it has been slow to spread to other epidemiological groups?
Possibilities for why it is affecting gay men is speculation on your part, and is irrelevant to the fact that it is a gay disease.
Gay disease is not a medical term. Still. And it’s not an accurate term. Still. But you don’t care because you hate gay people and want to alienate them and make them the enemy.
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I did have something to say about it: it’s creator is a known liar, a shitty “journalist” and not a medical expert. It’s not worth the bytes it’s encoded on.
The creator has hundreds of videos. It is possible that there could be falsities in there somewhere. But this would be irrelevant to whether there are falsities in the Monkeypox video. You were asked to talk about the content of the Monkeypox video and you, again, want to talk about some other video. This once again shows your position to be unsatisfactory.
If a known liar tells me something is true, I am justifiably skeptical and do not need to engage with them.
I don't see that she is a "known liar". You have failed to demonstrate that at all. You are refusing to even address the content of the Monkeypox video or to point out its lies.
They are advocating, in a utilitarian way, for a strategy that will force people, bigots like you, to pay attention to the health issues facing the community affected most by Monkeypox. How does that mean that bigots aren’t using it to minimize the same community?
We can see by your continuous insults that you do not have a legitimate argument. It appears that your main argument is insults and accusations, which is particularly poor of you.
The article itself does not argue that people merely need to pay more attention, it argues that the strategy of denying that HIV was a gay disease did not work and as a consequence the gay community is still the primary vector of the disease.
https://www.hivplusmag.com/opinion/guest-voices/2014/02/19/listen-hiv-still-gay-disease
“Unfortunately, the unexpected impact or effect of that de-gaying strategy was that the federal government was very happy to pay attention and focus resources on women and kids,” he says. “But the attitude was still that gay men could sort of fend for themselves.”
At that point, he says, the national LGBT organizations which participated in the NORA coalition, felt their part in addressing the epidemic was over, and could “move on to issues that affect the rest of us, marriage equality in particular, and that just dominated the political discourse for quite some time. Until today I would say.”
This happened at time when two-thirds of people living with HIV in the U.S. were gay or bisexual men; just as it is today, he points out.
Despite AIDS having “built” the movement, Androite argues, the movement stopped working on HIV.
“But the organized movement kind of strayed away from the very thing that had built them to use their new resources and clout to push a really different agenda that served the needs of — I would argue — a sliver of the community they purport to represent,” he says. “And they didn’t really do anything helpful for the gay men and bisexual men…of color who are now most impacted by HIV but who also are not big contributors of these organizations.”
Androite argues that his reporting finds that LGBT organizations have surrendered the fight against HIV. He notes that it is no longer on the national agenda. He points to the 2006 controversial publicity move by the LA Gay and Lesbian Community Center to draw attention to the crisis. They put up billboards declaring “HIV is a Gay Disease. Own it.” The backlash from the community was fierce, The Los Angeles Times reported.
Despite the statistical reality that 75 percent of the cases in Los Angeles county at the time were in men who have sex with men, various HIV organizations condemned the campaign as getting in the way of getting various risk groups tested.
“There is a level of ignorance about the impact of the epidemic in our own community,” he says. “I would blame the LGBT organizations for that ignorance. It’s kind of like they don’t have it on their agenda: Why? It affects their constituency."
It’s still absolutely telling that instead of wanting the most accurate and helpful description of the disease you have instead chosen to label it using a group that you have in the past labeled as immoral and disgusting.
But you don’t care because you hate gay people and want to alienate them and make them the enemy.
No one here said that they thought that gays should be "hated", or were "the enemy" or were "immoral". You are making up your own arguments and insults because you lack the capacity for a legitimate argument on this topic and tend to base your political and societal positions on emotion.
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If you can't directly rebut her Monkeypox video and need to spam us with some leftist thing you found about unrelated videos then you really have lost.
You linked me to an amateur leftist website. It's not neutral.
You linked me to an amateur alt-right nationalist video. It's not neutral.
Posting an off-topic response shows that you don't have any good arguments to what you saw.
Questioning the validity or accuracy of a source or subject isn't a claim. It's a question.
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I did have something to say about it: it’s creator is a known liar, a shitty “journalist” and not a medical expert. It’s not worth the bytes it’s encoded on.
The creator has hundreds of videos. It is possible that there could be falsities in there somewhere. But this would be irrelevant to whether there are falsities in the Monkeypox video. You were asked to talk about the content of the Monkeypox video and you, again, want to talk about some other video. This once again shows your position to be unsatisfactory.
Not falsities. Intentional deceptions.
If a known liar tells me something is true, I am justifiably skeptical and do not need to engage with them.
I don't see that she is a "known liar". You have failed to demonstrate that at all. You are refusing to even address the content of the Monkeypox video or to point out its lies.
Look harder, boy.
They are advocating, in a utilitarian way, for a strategy that will force people, bigots like you, to pay attention to the health issues facing the community affected most by Monkeypox. How does that mean that bigots aren’t using it to minimize the same community?
We can see by your continuous insults that you do not have a legitimate argument. It appears that your main argument is insults and accusations, which is particularly poor of you.
Considering in your next paragraph you address my arguement, you are obviously being a shithead.
The article itself does not argue that people merely need to pay more attention, it argues that the strategy of denying that HIV was a gay disease did not work and as a consequence the gay community is still the primary vector of the disease.
Thank you for saying what I said.
It’s still absolutely telling that instead of wanting the most accurate and helpful description of the disease you have instead chosen to label it using a group that you have in the past labeled as immoral and disgusting.
But you don’t care because you hate gay people and want to alienate them and make them the enemy.
No one here said that they thought that gays should be "hated", or were "the enemy" or were "immoral".
You haven’t in this thread, true. Just other threads.
You are making up your own arguments and insults because you lack the capacity for a legitimate argument on this topic and tend to base your political and societal positions on emotion.
Incorrect. I am basing my arguements on directly observing your bigotry. Look out your window, etc… I then went on to criticize “gay disease” for not being a medical term and not useful because it is a poor description of the disease’s scope. Please, try and keep up and ask questions if you don’t understand. It’s how you improve yourself.
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It shows that you don't have much of an argument. Homosexuals themselves have conceded that HIV/AIDS a "gay disease". Any disease which disproportionately affects and is spread by gays is a gay disease.
Why is the monkeypox pandemic real but covid is not?
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You linked me to an amateur leftist website. It's not neutral.
You linked me to an amateur alt-right nationalist video. It's not neutral.
The Monkeypox video isn't about nationalism. Nationalism is also irrelevant to the question of whether Monkeypox is a gay disease. It appears that you have no argument against the video content and have to argue reasons for why you don't need to address it. If you have to argue for why you don't need to argue it is a sign that you lost the argument.
You are unable to address the content and must argue about things other than the video. This is an amazingly clear demonstration that you have no defense at all.
Not falsities. Intentional deceptions.
You have been unable to demonstrate any deceptions which were made in the Monkeypox video.
No one here said that they thought that gays should be "hated", or were "the enemy" or were "immoral".
You haven’t in this thread, true. Just other threads.
Wrong. I have never said that gays should be hated or were the enemy or were immoral. It is apparent that you have to argue by lying, as you have little else.
You are making up your own arguments and insults because you lack the capacity for a legitimate argument on this topic Incorrect. I am basing my arguements on directly observing your bigotry. Look out your window, etc… I then went on to criticize “gay disease” for not being a medical term and not useful because it is a poor description of the disease’s scope. Please, try and keep up and ask questions if you don’t understand. It’s how you improve yourself.
You were forced to call the medical community homophobic because they originally named AIDS the “Gay-Related Infectious Disease”. You were also forced to praise homosexual advocates for calling HIV a gay disease while simultaneously claiming that it's a homophobic slur. In this conversation it is clear that you are arguing based on your personal feelings and not much else. Your arguments have flopped like a dying fish on concrete.
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Wrong. I have never said that gays should be hated or were the enemy or were immoral. It is apparent that you have to argue by lying, as you have little else.
I beg to differ...
The Taliban doesn't seem so bad. Aside from the treatment of women as a culture, I don't see many faults with them otherwise.
- They eschew alcohol, tobacco, porn, and drugs
- They hate liberals and Zionists
- They don't allow their women to act like whores
- They have zero open homosexuals or lesbians, and no trannies
- The Taliban banned the Covid-19 vaccine (https://manometcurrent.com/afghanistan-taliban-imposes-ban-on-corona-vaccination-occupies-65-of-the-area/)
- Taliban are enemies with ISIS. Usually when people are enemies they have opposite beliefs.
- The Taliban hates drug hustling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_production_in_Afghanistan) - "The Taliban enforced a ban on poppy farming via threats, forced eradication, and public punishment of transgressors. The result was a 99% reduction in the area of opium poppy farming in Taliban-controlled areas, roughly three quarters of the world's supply of heroin at the time."
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That just says that they don't openly display it. That is not a statement that I believe that being gay is immoral or should be hated. Asking you to keep your sexual desires and bedroom preferences to yourself is not bigotry. Many cultures keep their sexuality to themselves and go as far as to regard any type of flagrant sexual advocacy as improper. A number of cultures eschew displays of heterosexual female sexuality that is prevalent in western culture. I also mentioned the absence of overt female sluttiness as a benefit in Taliban culture in that bullet list.
In China it is legal to be gay, but illegal to promote homosexual ideology in popular entertainment. This is because they believe that people have the right to avoid it. As well, there are strict limits on sexualization in media, heterosexuality included. Religion is also treated this way. Religion is allowed in religious venues but banned elsewhere. In China people have a right to avoid religion.
While these ideals and rights are admirable, none of this has anything to do with Monkeypox or the question of whether Monkeypox is a gay disease. You have abandoned discussion of the video we were talking about.
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That just says that they don't openly display it.
So gays shouldn't be allowed to hold hands in public? Can breeders hold hands in public? What about kiss or hug?
In China it is legal to be gay, but illegal to promote homosexual ideology in popular entertainment
This is not China.
While these ideals and rights are admirable, none of this has anything to do with Monkeypox or the question of whether Monkeypox is a gay disease. You have abandoned discussion of the video we were talking about.
I really don't give a shit about the video. Some alt-right nationalist nazi saying we must label moneybox as a "gay disease" means nothing and is pointless and certainly divisive for no logical reason. It's just a dog whistle for the likes of you.
I'm responding to exactly what you wrote:
"Wrong. I have never said that gays should be hated or were the enemy or were immoral. It is apparent that you have to argue by lying, as you have little else."
When, in actuality, you wrote...
The Taliban doesn't seem so bad...I don't see many faults with them otherwise.
- They have zero open homosexuals or lesbians, and no trannies
You sound like a bigoted segregationist - "It's ok to be black, just don't publically display your blackness."
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And he likes that woman aren’t allowed to dress like WHORES!!! But doesn’t give a flying fuck about what what straight men do.
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A number of cultures eschew displays of heterosexual female sexuality that is prevalent in western culture. I also mentioned the absence of overt female sluttiness as a benefit in Taliban culture in that bullet list.
I wonder if you really think that represents what is going on today in Afghanistan or if this is just more trolling. There are numerous reports on this, here is one (https://theowp.org/reports/diminishing-womens-rights-under-the-taliban-a-year-in-review/) (emphasis mine):
Humanitarian groups such as UN Women immediately began documenting changes to the treatment of women, issuing their first Gender Alert in December 2021. In the report, Afghan women spoke of new requirements by the Taliban for women to be accompanied by a male relative in public, restrictions on women’s clothing, barriers to employment, and violence inflicted upon women who protest against the Taliban’s rules. It also highlighted a set of restrictions on the Afghan media, enacted in November 2021, that banned television shows with female actors and forced women newscasters to wear Islamic hijabs. This came in between separate statements made by the Taliban which claimed to have been actively improving women’s rights and equality.
Since the UN Women’s report was published, the situation has only gotten worse.
According to NPR, since the Taliban assumed control, they have prohibited women from working and girls from continuing their schooling past sixth grade, enforced a strict dress code where women are expected to be covered from head to toe with only an opening for their eyes, arrested women for violating the morality code, and allowed the abduction and forced marriage of young girls . Human Rights Watch found that the Taliban has enforced these harsh restrictions, similar to those from the 1990s, through intimidation and inspections.
Filmmaker Ramita Navai told NPR that “Afghanistan is one of the few countries where rates of suicides among women were higher than men,” and since the Taliban took over, suicides across the country have risen sharply. The reason for this, according to Navai is that “life for a lot of women in very rural areas hasn’t changed that much since the Taliban came to power… what has changed is the loss of hope.”
Human Rights Watch reaffirmed these findings, referring to interviews conducted in the Ghazni province where women expressed “fear, anxiety, hopelessness, and a deep sense of loss and helplessness.”
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I wonder if you really think that represents what is going on today in Afghanistan or if this is just more trolling. There are numerous reports on this, here is one (https://theowp.org/reports/diminishing-womens-rights-under-the-taliban-a-year-in-review/) (emphasis mine):
You cited a bunch of things about the abuse of women. That's literally the first criticism I had:
"Aside from the treatment of women as a culture, I don't see many faults with them otherwise."
The abuse isn't good. But they do appear to have strong morals. You have failed to show how the things I mentioned in the positive are actually bad.
I really don't give a shit about the video. Some alt-right nationalist nazi saying we must label moneybox as a "gay disease" means nothing and is pointless and certainly divisive for no logical reason. It's just a dog whistle for the likes of you.
Actually she shows how and why it is a gay disease. You have so far avoided discussion of the video content.
So gays shouldn't be allowed to hold hands in public? Can breeders hold hands in public? What about kiss or hug?
Brothers hug and there are situations where men do kiss outside of homosexuality. A father might kiss his son. Men also kiss in some cultures as a form of handshake. I don't see why those acts alone would be a flagrant assault on the public.
There is quite a difference between that and a concerted effort to influence other people, such as a teacher having young children read books which advocate that crossdressing is fabulous.
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I wonder if you really think that represents what is going on today in Afghanistan or if this is just more trolling. There are numerous reports on this, here is one (emphasis mine):
You cited a bunch of things about the abuse of women. That's literally the first criticism I had:
"Aside from the treatment of women as a culture, I don't see many faults with them otherwise."
The abuse isn't good. But they do appear to have strong morals. You have failed to show how the things I mentioned in the positive are actually bad.
How can allowing all the points that have been well documented be described as "strong morals"? That's rather like saying that besides the fact that the patient died, the operation was a success.
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Of course Tom thinks that a society that abuses women systemically has strong morals.
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I really don't give a shit about the video. Some alt-right nationalist nazi saying we must label moneybox as a "gay disease" means nothing and is pointless and certainly divisive for no logical reason. It's just a dog whistle for the likes of you.
Actually she shows how and why it is a gay disease. You have so far avoided discussion of the video content.
What percent would it take for you to no longer consider it a gay disease?
So gays shouldn't be allowed to hold hands in public? Can breeders hold hands in public? What about kiss or hug?
Brothers hug and there are situations where men do kiss outside of homosexuality. A father might kiss his son. Men also kiss in some cultures as a form of handshake. I don't see why those acts alone would be a flagrant assault on the public.
There is quite a difference between that and a concerted effort to influence other people, such as a teacher having young children read books which advocate that crossdressing is fabulous.
The Taliban is not ok with this, but are you ok with this?:
Image Title - Two Gay Men Kissing
(https://i.imgur.com/KlwEq0D.jpg)
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How can allowing all the points that have been well documented be described as "strong morals"? That's rather like saying that besides the fact that the patient died, the operation was a success.
I agreed that abuse of women was wrong. It is wrong to say that an entire culture has no other possible redeeming qualities because some things are bad, however.
The Taliban is not ok with this, but are you ok with this?:
Image Title - Two Gay Men Kissing
I don't care if they kiss.
That might not fly in Muslim countries though, for reasons other than or in addition to having to do with homosexuality specifically.
https://al-ijtihad.com/belief/can-i-kiss-my-wife-in-public-islam.html
Can I kiss my wife in public Islam?
No because Islam does not allow to kiss your wives in public because Islam is neat and clean religion and it stops from every wrong work even then it is drinking, drugs and trying abusive language e.t.c. And Islam invites people to itselves and displays a right way.
Egregious kissing in public is already considered improper.
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How can allowing all the points that have been well documented be described as "strong morals"? That's rather like saying that besides the fact that the patient died, the operation was a success.
I agreed that abuse of women was wrong. It is wrong to say that an entire culture has no other possible redeeming qualities because some things are bad, however.
"was wrong"? We're talking about what is going on NOW in Afghanistan. It also is not just "some things are bad" but it is EXTREMELY bad for HALF the population. So much so that they are killing themselves in record numbers. Even if things were great for the other half (men), which they are not, nothing can counter the horror show the Taliban have inflicted on women.
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"was wrong"? We're talking about what is going on NOW in Afghanistan. It also is not just "some things are bad" but it is EXTREMELY bad for HALF the population. So much so that they are killing themselves in record numbers. Even if things were great for the other half (men), which they are not, nothing can counter the horror show the Taliban have inflicted on women.
The same could be said about American prisons or many other places abuse occurs. But both the abuse of women in Afghanistan and the abuse of prisoners in America are irrelevant to the thread topic of Monkeypox.
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The ability of you to evaluate how your bigotry affects your choice of language is relevant though.
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I really don't give a shit about the video. Some alt-right nationalist nazi saying we must label moneybox as a "gay disease" means nothing and is pointless and certainly divisive for no logical reason. It's just a dog whistle for the likes of you.
Actually she shows how and why it is a gay disease. You have so far avoided discussion of the video content.
What percent would it take for you to no longer consider it a gay disease?
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But both the abuse of women in Afghanistan and the abuse of prisoners in America are irrelevant to the thread topic of Monkeypox.
You brought up the morals of the Taliban.
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How can allowing all the points that have been well documented be described as "strong morals"? That's rather like saying that besides the fact that the patient died, the operation was a success.
I agreed that abuse of women was wrong. It is wrong to say that an entire culture has no other possible redeeming qualities because some things are bad, however.
The Taliban is not ok with this, but are you ok with this?:
Image Title - Two Gay Men Kissing
I don't care if they kiss.
The Taliban doesn't seem so bad. Aside from the treatment of women as a culture, I don't see many faults with them otherwise.
- They have zero open homosexuals or lesbians, and no trannies
Yeah, no faults there...
Afghanistan: Taliban Target LGBT Afghans (https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/01/26/afghanistan-taliban-target-lgbt-afghans)
The Taliban reaffirmed the previous government’s criminalization of same-sex relations, and some of its leaders vowed to take a hard line against the rights of LGBT people. A Taliban spokesperson told Reuters in October, “LGBT... That's against our Sharia [Islamic] law.”
A Taliban judge told the German tabloid Bild shortly before the fall of Kabul, “For homosexuals, there can only be two punishments: either stoning, or he must stand behind a wall that will fall down on him.” A manual issued by the Taliban Ministry of Vice and Virtue in 2020 states that religious leaders shall prohibit same-sex relations and that “strong allegations” of homosexuality shall be referred to the ministry’s district manager for adjudication and punishment.
So you’re for the Taliban’s criminalization of homosexuality? As well as the punishment? No fault with that?
Since you consider Monkeypox to be a 'gay disease, in Afghanistan, if someone contracts MP, that would be evidence that they are gay, right? And you condone the stoning of that individual because being gay is a criminal offense, right?
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But both the abuse of women in Afghanistan and the abuse of prisoners in America are irrelevant to the thread topic of Monkeypox.
You brought up the morals of the Taliban.
Yes, and people took the bait.
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What percent would it take for you to no longer consider it a gay disease?
I may get a warning, or even a ban for this, but still it is pertinent to what is being discussed. Tom and some others that frequent these boards can be considered Write Once Read Many [times, over and over again] individuals (WORMs). Meaning they cannot unlearn whatever they initially "learned" (through abuse, religion [ repeat myself] or whatever). This is pretty much absolute. Any arguments about how the disease is propagated are irrelevant. If Tom say's it's a "gay" disease, then it to him it is going to be a "gay" disease until he dies or contracts it. Spare your efforts. If you get close to cornering him, he will just go away.
I await the sword of the moderators.
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Apparently just calling Monkeypox a disease that primarily affects gay men is "homophobia":
https://www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/56637/1/monkeypox-gay-bi-men-msm-homophobia-aids-uk
"When the WHO published a Twitter thread which stated that the virus is mostly affecting men who have sex with men (MSM – an umbrella term designed to include people who don’t identify as gay or bisexual), this prompted an immediate, widespread and furious backlash. Thousands of people chimed in to accuse the organisation of homophobia, suggesting that its efforts to name the most at-risk group constituted an effort to “blame” gay men, in line with a rising tide of anti-LGBTQ+ violence."
It is pretty sad that radicalists like Rama Set and stack are unable to accept reality and can't have a rational discussion without decrying every perceived statement as homophobia, and can't discuss the content of a Monkeypox video without bringing up irrelevant statements like the video author has said positive statements in favor of nationalism in the past - the promotion of their country.
(https://i.imgur.com/HzcI91v.png)
This was stack's ridiculous defense, and why he doesn't want to discuss the content of the Monkeypox video.
So you’re for the Taliban’s criminalization of homosexuality? As well as the punishment? No fault with that?
Did I say that specifically? No. I also said that I saw a benefit to the lack of whorish behavior by women in Taliban culture but also saw a problem with the abuse of women. It is pretty absurd to read that and assume that I would approve of all kinds of abuse because I saw positives elsewhere of a society which doesn't openly promote or display sexualiztion to the public. That also has nothing to do with Monkeypox.
You brought up the morals of the Taliban.
Yes, in the Taliban thread.
What percent would it take for you to no longer consider it a gay disease?
If HIV Magazine considers HIV a gay disease because places in America have 65 or 75% of HIV cases involving homosexuals, Monkeypox is certainly a gay disease at 98%.
I would consider it not to be a gay disease if it affected that community more along line with their distribution by percentage among the public and wasn't wildly disproportional.
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So you’re for the Taliban’s criminalization of homosexuality? As well as the punishment? No fault with that?
Did I say that specifically? No. I also said that I saw a benefit to the lack of whorish behavior by women in Taliban culture but also saw a problem with the abuse of women.
Define "whorish" behavior. Wearing hi-heels and nail polish? (Btw, punishment for those "violations" is anywhere from a public beating to stoning...Apparently, you seem ok with that)
It is pretty absurd to read that and assume that I would approve of all kinds of abuse because I saw positives elsewhere of a society which doesn't openly promote or display sexualiztion to the public. That also has nothing to do with Monkeypox.
What sort of public display of sexualization are you referring to?
And the big thing you're missing is the enforcement and punishment factors of just being gay, not even "displaying" it, just being accused of it. Same for women who violate sharia law.
When you say "The Taliban doesn't seem so bad. Aside from the treatment of women as a culture, I don't see many faults with them otherwise.
- They have zero open homosexuals or lesbians, and no trannies"
How do you think that's enforced? How do you think that is punished? Are you ok with the sharia laws, but not ok with the enforcement/punishment? Or are you ok with that too and don't see "many faults" with it?
If HIV Magazine considers HIV a gay disease because places in America have 65 or 75% of HIV cases involving homosexuals, Monkeypox is certainly a gay disease at 98%.
Not so fast, the same magazine you cited has an opposing article:
Patient Zero Theory is Debunked—Yet Myth of HIV as Gay Disease Persists (https://www.hivplusmag.com/features/2016/10/28/patient-zero-theory-debunked-yet-myth-hiv-gay-disease-lives)
The Patient Zero storyline also fostered the belief that HIV was a gay disease, when we now know that anyone can be impacted by HIV, regardless of your sexual orientation.”
I would consider it not to be a gay disease if it affected that community more along line with their distribution by percentage among the public and wasn't wildly disproportional.
And here's the point you're missing, which the quote above from your HIV magazine points out: Anyone can get MP, not just gay people. Monkey Pox is agnostic to race, creed, and sexual orientation.
For it to be a "Gay Disease", that would literally mean only gay people can get it. Not true. Anyone can get it. Just like gay, straight, or whatever can contract HIV.
98% is certainly a high percentage. But 2% are not gay. Meaning that gays are not the only group to be exclusively impacted. Same reason TB is not called a 'Black Disease' even though it is disproportionally present in that community. Even worse, Asian Americans clock in at just 5.7% of the population yet account for a whopping 35.8% of TB cases. Now that is definitely wildly disproportionate. So why don't you refer to TB as an 'Asian Disease' even though non-Asians can get it too? Just like Monkey Pox.
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How do you think that's enforced? How do you think that is punished?
Yes, because all women in history have refrained from impropriety due to criminal punishment and not because they were raised with certain standards. ::)
Define "whorish" behavior. Wearing hi-heels and nail polish? (Btw, punishment for those "violations" is anywhere from a public beating to stoning...Apparently, you seem ok with that)
What sort of public display of sexualization are you referring to?
If you want to talk about something off topic to Monkeypox I would recommend taking it to the appropriate thread.
Not so fast, the same magazine you cited has an opposing article:
Yet they also published an article calling HIV a gay disease. They clearly don't think that concept is absolutely homophobic if they are publishing that.
And here's the point you're missing, which the quote above from your HIV magazine points out: Anyone can get MP, not just gay people. Monkey Pox is agnostic to race, creed, and sexual orientation.
Incorrect. It is clearly not agnostic because 98% are homosexual. If it affected everyone equally it would be distributed differently among homosexual and heterosexual alike.
98% is certainly a high percentage. But 2% are not gay.
2% is also a pretty common error rate. Those people may have had sexual interactions with people who were bisexual, despite considering themselves as straight, or they were just one of the rare people with low immunity or functional differences who received transmission elsewise. It is clear that homosexual activity the primary vector of this disease and the primary way it is spread.
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Apparently just calling Monkeypox a disease that primarily affects gay men is "homophobia":
https://www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/56637/1/monkeypox-gay-bi-men-msm-homophobia-aids-uk
"When the WHO published a Twitter thread which stated that the virus is mostly affecting men who have sex with men (MSM – an umbrella term designed to include people who don’t identify as gay or bisexual), this prompted an immediate, widespread and furious backlash. Thousands of people chimed in to accuse the organisation of homophobia, suggesting that its efforts to name the most at-risk group constituted an effort to “blame” gay men, in line with a rising tide of anti-LGBTQ+ violence."
It is pretty sad that radicalists like Rama Set and stack are unable to accept reality and can't have a rational discussion without decrying every perceived statement as homophobia, and can't discuss the content of a Monkeypox video without bringing up irrelevant statements like the video author has said positive statements in favor of nationalism in the past - the promotion of their country.
You can stop lying now. It’s pathetic. I’ve acknowledged multiple times that Monkeypox is primarily affecting MSM, you know this, but continue with your shitty troll. So if you can’t actually address the words I’ve written please fuck off.
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It is pretty sad that radicalists like Rama Set and stack are unable to accept reality and can't have a rational discussion without decrying every perceived statement as homophobia, and can't discuss the content of a Monkeypox video without bringing up irrelevant statements like the video author has said positive statements in favor of nationalism in the past - the promotion of their country.
It's because their psychology revolves around being emotional and offended on behalf of others. This inherent need to find 'victims' and advocate for them incessantly is why we end up with posters constantly and consistently defending literal criminals and it's why this pathological need for victims will inevitably lead us to the Love At Any Age movement.
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It is pretty sad that radicalists like Rama Set and stack are unable to accept reality and can't have a rational discussion without decrying every perceived statement as homophobia, and can't discuss the content of a Monkeypox video without bringing up irrelevant statements like the video author has said positive statements in favor of nationalism in the past - the promotion of their country.
It's because their psychology revolves around being emotional and offended on behalf of others. This inherent need to find 'victims' and advocate for them incessantly is why we end up with posters constantly and consistently defending literal criminals and it's why this pathological need for victims will inevitably lead us to the Love At Any Age movement.
Imagine unironically agreeing with Tom’s strawman. I won’t bother engaging in this thread anymore.
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How do you think that's enforced? How do you think that is punished?
Yes, because all women in history have refrained from impropriety due to criminal punishment and not because they were raised with certain standards. ::)
Define "whorish" behavior. Wearing hi-heels and nail polish? (Btw, punishment for those "violations" is anywhere from a public beating to stoning...Apparently, you seem ok with that)
What sort of public display of sexualization are you referring to?
If you want to talk about something off topic to Monkeypox I would recommend taking it to the appropriate thread.
Just trying to understand your overall mindset. But it looks like you've made it clear that you would prefer that homosexuals for being homosexual and women who wear hi-heels and nail polish should be stoned. As you can't seem to find fault in sharia law.
Not so fast, the same magazine you cited has an opposing article:
Yet they also published an article calling HIV a gay disease. They clearly don't think that concept is absolutely homophobic if they are publishing that.
Or they are clearly publishing two opposing points of view which more publications should actually do.
And here's the point you're missing, which the quote above from your HIV magazine points out: Anyone can get MP, not just gay people. Monkey Pox is agnostic to race, creed, and sexual orientation.
Incorrect. It is clearly not agnostic because 98% are homosexual. If it affected everyone equally it would be distributed differently among homosexual and heterosexual alike.
So you're saying that breeders are immune to Monkey Pox?
So you're saying that Tuberculosis should be called the 'Asian Disease' because it doesn't affect everyone equally and affects Asians disproportionally?
(https://i.imgur.com/cJyTkRY.png)
Since cancer seems to affect certain demographics unequally, definitely disproportionally, what should we label cancer as? The 'Native American Disease'? Or maybe by just sheer case count, The 'White Disease'.
98% is certainly a high percentage. But 2% are not gay.
2% is also a pretty common error rate. Those people may have had sexual interactions with people who were bisexual, despite considering themselves as straight, or they were just one of the rare people with low immunity or finctional differences who received transmission elsewise. It is clear that homosexual activity the primary vector of this disease and the primary way it is spread.
2003 Outbreak from Imported Mammals (https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/outbreak/us-outbreaks.html)
In 2003, forty-seven confirmed and probable cases of monkeypox were reported from six states—Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Missouri, Ohio, and Wisconsin. All people infected with monkeypox in this outbreak became ill after having contact with pet prairie dogs. The pets were infected after being housed near imported small mammals from Ghana. This was the first time that human monkeypox was reported outside of Africa.
100% of infections came from animals. That seems to overwhelmingly fit your criteria for labeling. Maybe we should actually label Money Pox the 'Prairie Dog Disease'.
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https://news.sky.com/story/health-authorities-warned-about-the-risk-of-monkeypox-and-covid-co-infection-12681085
How do we stop gays from constantly and consistently spreading horrendous diseases? It took this man only one week in Spain to collect 3 diseases.
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https://news.sky.com/story/health-authorities-warned-about-the-risk-of-monkeypox-and-covid-co-infection-12681085
How do we stop gays from constantly and consistently spreading horrendous diseases? It took this man only one week in Spain to collect 3 diseases.
"The authors, led by Santi Nolasco, said the man had reported of having unprotected sex with men during his stay in Spain." Men really need to wear condoms.
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https://news.sky.com/story/health-authorities-warned-about-the-risk-of-monkeypox-and-covid-co-infection-12681085
How do we stop gays from constantly and consistently spreading horrendous diseases? It took this man only one week in Spain to collect 3 diseases.
He probably had HIV before since it doesn’t tend to show up in testing after a few days. So yeah… worse.