Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #540 on: September 09, 2014, 10:50:43 PM »
A nice breakdown of the weapons used by ISIS, catalogued by those who captured them from ISIS from June to August. Lots of American weapons, some old AK-47's, a Chinese gun and some old rocket launchers. Some weapons suspected of coming from Saudi Arabia.

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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #541 on: September 10, 2014, 01:49:01 PM »
Technically Al-Qaeda made ISIS ;)
And the Taliban made Al-Qaeda and Russia made the Taliban.  See, it's all Russia's fault.
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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #542 on: September 10, 2014, 02:16:37 PM »
Is it the Mujahadeen who started the Taliban?

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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #543 on: September 10, 2014, 05:27:57 PM »
The US supported the Mujahadeen with weapons after Russia invaded and then left them high and dry when Russia left.  The Taliban stepped in to fill the power vacuum.
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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #544 on: September 11, 2014, 01:18:11 AM »
Obama is making his speech now.  Airstrikes are promised and all that.

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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #545 on: September 13, 2014, 10:54:24 PM »
Obama is making his speech now.  Airstrikes are promised and all that.

Of course.
He has to look tough for the election.  And even his own party wants to kill muslims. 

Americans, generally, want them dead.  Which is sad.
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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #546 on: September 13, 2014, 11:57:58 PM »
Obama is making his speech now.  Airstrikes are promised and all that.

Of course.
He has to look tough for the election.  And even his own party wants to kill muslims. 

Americans, generally, want them dead.  Which is sad.

Obama will not be in the next election. Why should he care?

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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #547 on: September 14, 2014, 12:00:48 AM »
ISIS have beheaded another person. British aid worker, David Haines.

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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #548 on: September 14, 2014, 12:03:45 AM »
Obama is making his speech now.  Airstrikes are promised and all that.

Of course.
He has to look tough for the election.  And even his own party wants to kill muslims. 

Americans, generally, want them dead.  Which is sad.

Obama will not be in the next election. Why should he care?
Because for some reason the people associate the president with his party.  So if Obama does something, it's a reflection of all democrats.
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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #549 on: September 14, 2014, 01:05:03 AM »
ISIS is probably concentrating on beheading their British prisoners because the UK announced it would not participate in the airstrikes against ISIS.

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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #550 on: September 14, 2014, 01:27:35 AM »
ISIS is probably concentrating on beheading their British prisoners because the UK announced it would not participate in the airstrikes against ISIS.

They want to be airstruck?
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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #551 on: September 14, 2014, 01:32:19 AM »
They want to be airstruck?

They want as much of "the West" to fight them as possible. War polarizes beliefs. In peace time, most sane people would find ISIS' brand of radicalism to be outright disgusting, but in war anything goes. The more villages that get caught in the crossfire, the more recruits they can round up and convince that the big bad evil westerners are out to kill them.

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« Reply #552 on: September 14, 2014, 02:56:26 AM »
They want to be airstruck?

They want as much of "the West" to fight them as possible. War polarizes beliefs. In peace time, most sane people would find ISIS' brand of radicalism to be outright disgusting, but in war anything goes. The more villages that get caught in the crossfire, the more recruits they can round up and convince that the big bad evil westerners are out to kill them.
It really is a perfect strategy.

You do horrible things against the "enemy" for the sole purpose of getting the "enemy" to attack you, which gives you the facts you need to get others to think of your enemy as their enemy.  And the more the "enemy" fights back, the more facts and recruitment material they get.
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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #553 on: September 14, 2014, 03:15:54 AM »
I wouldn't be surprised if Russia is somehow shipping these guys weapons and spurring on the conflict in the Middle East. Keeping NATO busy fighting a war they can't win would seem like something Russia would do.

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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #554 on: September 14, 2014, 08:29:36 AM »
I wouldn't be surprised if Russia is somehow shipping these guys weapons and spurring on the conflict in the Middle East. Keeping NATO busy fighting a war they can't win would seem like something Russia would do.
No, keeping NATO busy fighting a war they can't win, is something America would do. Industrial military complex to keep running, national debt to run up etc. America is always at war. It is part of America's roadmap. America will never be at peace. Once an enemy surrenders, a new one must be found. This is one of the things the CIA spends its time doing. Provoking a future war by funding uprisings, assassinating good leaders and encouraging coups.

Seriously, why have you not read 1984 yet?

Quote from: George Orwell, 1984
“The war, therefore if we judge it by the standards of previous wars, is merely an imposture. It is like the battles between certain ruminant animals whose horns are incapable of hurting one another. But though it is unreal it is not meaningless. It eats up the surplus of consumable goods, and it helps to preserve the special mental atmosphere that the hierarchical society needs. War, it will be seen, is now a purely internal affair. In the past, the ruling groups of all countries, although they might recognize their common interest and therefore limit the destructiveness of war, did fight against one another, and the victor always plundered the vanquished. In our own day they are not fighting against one another at all. The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact. The very word "war," therefore, has become misleading. It would probably be accurate to say that by becoming continuous war has ceased to exist. The peculiar pressure that is exerted on human beings between the Neolithic Age and the early twentieth century has disappeared and has been replaced by something quite different. The effect would be much the same if the three superstates, instead of fighting one another, should agree to live in perpetual peace, each inviolate within its own boundaries. For in that case each would still be a self-contained universe, freed forever from the sobering influence of external danger. A peace that was truly permanent would be the same as a permanent war. This--although the vast majority of Party members understand it only in a shallower sense--is the inner meaning of the Party slogan: WAR IS PEACE.”

Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #555 on: September 14, 2014, 09:18:05 AM »
The US doesn't need conflict to waste billions on military acquisitions.

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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #556 on: September 14, 2014, 09:21:25 AM »
The US doesn't need conflict to waste billions on military acquisitions.
It needs an enemy to ensure Americans keep paying their taxes and support its spending.

Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #557 on: September 14, 2014, 09:51:08 AM »
The US doesn't need conflict to waste billions on military acquisitions.
It needs an enemy to ensure Americans keep paying their taxes and support its spending.

No it doesn't.

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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #559 on: September 14, 2014, 04:17:58 PM »
Thork, military industries get a lot of money regardless of whether we are at war or not. Most of the stuff they manufacture never even makes it overseas (which is additionally why a country will never be so stupid as to attempt a land invasion of the US).