[sandokhan]

Few historians remember or understand that Isil's declared goal, its most important mission/target, was to get to Mecca and Kaaba.

http://news.antiwar.com/2016/07/05/bombings-in-saudi-arabia-mark-another-isis-escalation/


http://hotair.com/archives/2016/07/05/was-hillarys-fbi-interview-this-weekend-just-for-appearances-sake/

[TheTruthIsOnHere]

In context, he was referring to political parties:

Political parties exist to secure responsible government and to execute the will of the people.

From these great tasks both of the old parties have turned aside. Instead of instruments to promote the general welfare, they have become the tools of corrupt interests which use them impartially to serve their selfish purposes. Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government, owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people.

No. He was referring to the "corrupt interests" which use them.

What is your goal in twisting and contorting this quote? What do you have to gain, and what does it do to advance the conversation?

[George]

No shit, he was talking about how political parties are used by certain people?  And here I thought he meant that parties are sentient beings doing all these things of their own accord, with no human involvement whatsoever.

[TheTruthIsOnHere]

No shit, he was talking about how political parties are used by certain people?  And here I thought he meant that parties are sentient beings doing all these things of their own accord, with no human involvement whatsoever.

No. You implicitly denied the existence of any behind the scenes entity that operates outside of law and public interest.

Don't switch it up now because your reading comprehension is shit.

[George]

Yes, political parties as an abstract concept are harmless.  They have to be used by people in a certain way before they become dangerous and a threat to democracy.  Thank you for establishing this very important point.  By the same token, I should clarify that Wilson's quote was referring to the people who run big business and monopolies, not big business and monopolies in and of themselves.  For the benefit of all the readers who were confused by my interpretation of those quotes.

[sandokhan]

“I am sure that the coup [in Turkey] has a lot of influences from the outside…. It is now clear that the Russian plane was taken down by the pilot who belonged to the same group as those behind the coup, and now that Turkey renewed its ties with Russia, it clearly did not suit someone.” (Serbian FM)

Let us remember that back in March an article entitled "Could there be a coup in Turkey?" was published by the AEI.

1. Back in March 2016, the Pentagon had already given orders to some 700 US military families and civilians from Adana, Izmir and Mugla, as well as the Incirlik air base to evacuate Turkey due to some ‘security concerns’.

2. When Gülen fled Turkey to avoid prosecution for treason in 1998, he chose not to go to any of a dozen Islamic countries which could have offered him asylum; he chose instead the United States.


Obviously someone saved Erdogan while he was being attacked in the town of Marmaris where he was vacationing.

And that someone could have been either the CIA, the MI6 or the GRU. Since the department of defense of Turkey is controlled by NATO (given the importance of the Incirlik base), and the military institution is associated with the coup, that someone looks like it was the GRU.

[sandokhan]

The lingering question is this: why didn't the F16 fighters shoot down the airplane which carried Ergodan to Istanbul?

Now we know that the pilots were ordered to immediately abort their mission and return to the Incirlik base.

The Russians were surveilling the entire operation carried out by the other agencies; Putin ordered the immediate activation of the S-500 air defense system to down every hostile aircraft over Turkey, Syria, Iraq and every single Nato satellite flying in low orbit.

This is when the entire coup operation was abandoned.


It is interesting to note that a well-known prophecy from the Vatopedi monastery says that a great war will start in Europe when Turkey will invade Greece.

[sandokhan]

If the prophecy concerning the conflict between Turkey and Greece is to be fulfilled, that means this coup was only a dry run: using the 14 missing Turkish warships, another attack could be launched to install a new leadership.

[sandokhan]

As the low and surplus population of the different nations of Europe will be carried into that country [USA]; it is and will be a receptacle for the bad and disaffected population of Europe, when they are not wanted for soldiers, or to supply the navies, and the European governments will favor such a course. This will create a surplus and majority of low population, who are so very easily excited  and they will bring with them their principles, and in nine cases out of ten, adhere to their ancient and former governments, laws, manners, and religion, and will transmit them to their posterity, and in many cases propagate them among the natives. These men will become citizens, and by the constitution and laws, will be invested with the right of suffrage. The different grades of society will then be created by the elevation of a few and by degrading many, and thus a heterogeneous population will then be formed, speaking different languages, and of different religions and sentiments, and to make them act, think, and feel alike, in political affairs, will be like mixing oil and water; hence discord, dissension, anarchy and civil war will ensue, and some popular individual will assume the government and restore order, and the sovereigns of Europe, the immigrants, and many of the natives will sustain him.

Duke of Richmond (1855)


A civil war will occur concomitantly with an economic depression. The target population of Donald Trump's "I am your voice" speech is the same as the main purpose/designed goal of the destruction inflicted by the Civil War: the white protestants of the South (now together with the blue collar workers of the north-central states). It seems that they are being set up for some kind of a very disappointing event, which will spark outrage and revolt.

Conversely, should a Republican win the White House, the Catholic population (especially/mainly Hispanics) will revolt and cause a civil war, particularly given the high probability of a massive economic downturn.

[sandokhan]

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/iraq-offensive-2016-mosul-islamic-state-isis-isil-obama-foreign-policy-kurdish-214121

[sandokhan]

http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/08/breaking-us-occupation-of-syria-now.html

[İntikam]

“I am sure that the coup [in Turkey] has a lot of influences from the outside…. It is now clear that the Russian plane was taken down by the pilot who belonged to the same group as those behind the coup, and now that Turkey renewed its ties with Russia, it clearly did not suit someone.” (Serbian FM)

Let us remember that back in March an article entitled "Could there be a coup in Turkey?" was published by the AEI.

1. Back in March 2016, the Pentagon had already given orders to some 700 US military families and civilians from Adana, Izmir and Mugla, as well as the Incirlik air base to evacuate Turkey due to some ‘security concerns’.

2. When Gülen fled Turkey to avoid prosecution for treason in 1998, he chose not to go to any of a dozen Islamic countries which could have offered him asylum; he chose instead the United States.


Obviously someone saved Erdogan while he was being attacked in the town of Marmaris where he was vacationing.

And that someone could have been either the CIA, the MI6 or the GRU. Since the department of defense of Turkey is controlled by NATO (given the importance of the Incirlik base), and the military institution is associated with the coup, that someone looks like it was the GRU.

Actually the war on Turkey and the middle east between FBI/Pentagon vs CIA.

CIA strongly supporting Gulen and terror groups like PYD, ISIS and FSA.

Obama/FBI/Pentagon supported Turkey government supports only FSA and fighting against Gulen, PYD and ISIS.

Russia and USA government clearly attacking to ISIS and Russia attacking everything on Syria except Turkey and Syrian army.

Actually Russia and USA have some coordination on, but CIA not. CIA completely on out of the game.

CIA organizating the illegal structures but other are fighting to them. For example Preet Bharara an FBI public prosecutor caught to "Reza Zarrab" who money laundering within under information of the CIA. Yesterday Reza Zarrab accused to judge as the member of the "Gülen's organization". Actually he blamed the CIA. Because all of these organization done with under the information of CIA.

Anyway.

People are still dying, buildings are still destroyed. All of them only just for a bit petroleum. in this case , the endpoint might come of human folly . America in terms of oil , worth more than some people's lives.

America living her last times. Power moving to China from America. So America firing his last bullets. So does the obvious crimes. all of these  to convince the world to the downfall of America.

The global capital settled to Andalusian and Andalusian had been the world super power.

The global capital lefted to Andalusian and Andalusian had been demolished.

Then the global capital settled to Ottoman and Ottoman had been the world super power.

The global capital lefted to Ottoman and Ottoman had been demolished.

Then the global capital settled to Germany and Germany had been the world super power.

The global capital lefted to Germany and Germany had been demolished.

Then the global capital settled to USA and USA had been the world super power.

The global capital lefted to USA and the time started for USA to it's demolishing.

Now the global capital moving to China the new center of the world. So the USA will be demolished . There is no other alternative.

With or withoud Essad, with or without Erdoghan, USA will be demolished. this situation is convincing , fair and consistent.

[sandokhan]

Unbeknownst to most people who research conspiracies, the US government has been very busy building underground facilities for the past 50 years (some 120 such bases).

That means they know something the Chinese do not, concerning certain events which will occur in the future.

[Lord Dave]

Mostly Nuclear test facilities.
Training facilities.

The reason is...
*pause for effect*

THE SPACE RACE!

See, once stuff got put into space, you can't stop being spied on.  So what are ya gonna do?
Build underground.
In mountains.
Places that a satellite can't see.


So really, there's no mystery here (even if your numbers are accurate).  I mean, the Russians built several hundred in the last 50 years too.  You don't see people talking about that either.

[sandokhan]

You seem to forget that there are no nuclear weapons/testing facilities, which means these underground bases have been built for a very different purpose altogether.

Let us take as an example Mount Weather:

https://usahitman.com/mount-weather/

[garygreen]

i've conducted several off-the-record interviews with officials formerly associated with mount weather, and, speaking in the promise of strictest anonymity, they informed me that mount weather is a luxury vacation resort.

[Lord Dave]

You seem to forget that there are no nuclear weapons/testing facilities, which means these underground bases have been built for a very different purpose altogether.

Let us take as an example Mount Weather:

https://usahitman.com/mount-weather/

In the event of nuclear war...
Case point.

[sandokhan]

It is not the first time in history, that massive underground facilities have been built in anticipation of a great geological/astronomical cataclysm.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1488591#msg1488591

How did the builders of these magnificient structures KNOW in advance when a certain astronomical event will take place, which would have affected to a great extent the surface of the Earth?

There are no nuclear weapons: I have already explained in great detail how a nuclear plant/reactor works.

Therefore, Mount Weather was built, not in anticipation of a massive fire bombing campaign, or an earthquake,  but for something much more important.

[Lord Dave]

It is not the first time in history, that massive underground facilities have been built in anticipation of a great geological/astronomical cataclysm.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1488591#msg1488591

How did the builders of these magnificient structures KNOW in advance when a certain astronomical event will take place, which would have affected to a great extent the surface of the Earth?

There are no nuclear weapons: I have already explained in great detail how a nuclear plant/reactor works.

Therefore, Mount Weather was built, not in anticipation of a massive fire bombing campaign, or an earthquake,  but for something much more important.

Considering we're still here, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that whatever great cataclysm they thought would happen, didn't.  Of course, the only real astronomical issues we need to worry about are asteroids, and maybe rogue planets/stars.  Beyond that, we're pretty good for the next few billion years.


As for Mount Weather:
Don't care.  I would be very surprised if underground shelter cities didn't exist for one reason or another.  It doesn't hurt to be prepared, after all.  But I doubt that anyone knows when or what such an event will be.

[sandokhan]

Beyond that, we're pretty good for the next few billion years.

The scholarly world assumed that in some hundreds of millions of years the heat of the sun would be exhausted, and then, as Flammarion frightened his readers, the last pair of human beings would freeze to death in the ice of the equator. But this is far off in the future. In view of modern knowledge that heat is discharged in the process of breaking up atoms, scientists are now prepared to credit the sun with an immense reserve of heat. The fear, if any, is focused on the possibility that the sun may explode; a few minutes later the earth will become aware of this, and  soon thereafter will no longer exist. But the one end, that of freezing, is very remote; the other end, that of explosion, is very improbable; and the world is thought to have billions of peaceful years ahead. It is believed that the world has gone through eons of undisturbed evolution, and equally long eons are before us. Man can go far in such a span of time, considering that his entire civilization has endured less than ten thousand years, and in view of the great technological progress he has made in the last century.

The average man is no longer afraid of the end of the world. Man clings to his earthly possessions, registers his landholdings and fences them in; peoples carry on wars to preserve and to enlarge their historical frontiers. Yet the last five or six thousand years have witnessed a series of major catastrophes, each of which displaced the borders of the seas, and some of which caused sea-beds and continents to interchange places, submerging kingdoms, and creating space for new ones.
Cosmic collisions are not divergent phenomena, or phenomena that, in the opinion of some modern philosophers, take place in defiance of what is supposed to be physical laws; they are more in the nature of occurrences implicit in the dynamics of the universe, or, in terms of that philosophy, convergent phenomena.

I. Velikovsky (Worlds in Collision)


Here are two works which will help you to understand that there have been major geological cataclysms in the past 5000 years (official chronology of history):

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/earth-upheaval.pdf

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1546053#msg1546053