[fappenhosen]

I'm not even going to click to find out.

[Tom Bishop]

Taking the photographs that can be used to embarrass or humiliate you is a stupid decision all around.

That doesn't make it any less wrong for someone to steal those photographs and make them publicly available.

Bad people exist, that is a given. If you drive around with your life savings in $100 bills on your car's passenger seat, don't be surprised and outraged when your car is broken into.

[Rama Set]

Taking the photographs that can be used to embarrass or humiliate you is a stupid decision all around.

That doesn't make it any less wrong for someone to steal those photographs and make them publicly available.

Bad people exist, that is a given. If you drive around with your life savings in $100 bills on your car's passenger seat, don't be surprised and outraged when your car is broken into.

Super cynic.

[Rushy]

Bad people exist, that is a given. If you drive around with your life savings in $100 bills on your car's passenger seat, don't be surprised and outraged when your car is broken into.

No. The people who steal/hack/cheat must adjust themselves. It's just like when a girl is raped and people say "oh well she shouldn't have dressed like that" I mean, what the fuck? A criminal should have to adhere themselves to society, not society bending over backwards to ensure it doesn't taunt the criminal into crime.

Reddit is full of the same people who cry all the time about their privacy being invaded and then when given the chance to invade another's privacy 80% of the them were all aboard the nude pic train. If I went into an NSA thread and said "well maybe you guys shouldn't have computers and phones so the NSA wouldn't be tempted to record your stuff" I'd be downvoted into oblivion, but when someone says "oh they shouldn't have taken these pictures if they didn't want me to see them" actually has people agreeing? Goddamn imbeciles.

[rooster]

No. The people who steal/hack/cheat must adjust themselves. It's just like when a girl is raped and people say "oh well she shouldn't have dressed like that" I mean, what the fuck? A criminal should have to adhere themselves to society, not society bending over backwards to ensure it doesn't taunt the criminal into crime.

Reddit is full of the same people who cry all the time about their privacy being invaded and then when given the chance to invade another's privacy 80% of the them were all aboard the nude pic train. If I went into an NSA thread and said "well maybe you guys shouldn't have computers and phones so the NSA wouldn't be tempted to record your stuff" I'd be downvoted into oblivion, but when someone says "oh they shouldn't have taken these pictures if they didn't want me to see them" actually has people agreeing? Goddamn imbeciles.

This is definitely the argument of rational people. Conservatives, prudes, and victim-blamers are the only ones who think that if you don't want the entire world to see your nudes then you shouldn't take them.

I agree with taking your safety into your own hands by taking precautions, as in not going to a frat party and leaving your drink unattended. But this is not a case where anyone was asking for it. They took private nudes and had them password protected. It's like expecting no one to break into your house and steal your stuff. Sure, it might happen, but it's in no way anyone's fault for owning the house that was broken into.

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/5fj1n5/star-hack--the-nude-generation?xrs=synd_facebook_090414_tds_17

[Tom Bishop]

No. The people who steal/hack/cheat must adjust themselves. It's just like when a girl is raped and people say "oh well she shouldn't have dressed like that" I mean, what the fuck? A criminal should have to adhere themselves to society, not society bending over backwards to ensure it doesn't taunt the criminal into crime.

A recently released ex-con is wandering the street and has rape on the mind. He has decided that he's going to rape someone tonight. It's late and he sees several possible targets walk past him. Who is he going to pull into the darkened alley; the girl who is dressed like Marry Poppins or one dressed in a Victoria's Secret Babydoll?

Criminals are going to exist no matter what. A rape attack is the criminal's crime. But it's the girls fault for putting herself in that situation (dressing as she does and walking alone in a seedy area).

Reddit is full of the same people who cry all the time about their privacy being invaded and then when given the chance to invade another's privacy 80% of the them were all aboard the nude pic train. If I went into an NSA thread and said "well maybe you guys shouldn't have computers and phones so the NSA wouldn't be tempted to record your stuff" I'd be downvoted into oblivion, but when someone says "oh they shouldn't have taken these pictures if they didn't want me to see them" actually has people agreeing? Goddamn imbeciles.

Well yeah, it is the NSA's crime for spying on Americans, but it's your fault for putting yourself in a situation which allows others to spy on you. If you don't want someone to read your emails you should send it encrypted, stenographated, or not at all. It's your fault if you send them in clear text and someone unintended sees it. It's not just the NSA who will listen in. There are rival businesses, chinese hackers, foreign governments, etc.

Telephone encryption doesn't really exist in wide adoption, but an answer to that might be to refrain from discussing your illegal ventures or bank account numbers over the telephone.

[Tom Bishop]

This is definitely the argument of rational people. Conservatives, prudes, and victim-blamers are the only ones who think that if you don't want the entire world to see your nudes then you shouldn't take them.

I agree with taking your safety into your own hands by taking precautions, as in not going to a frat party and leaving your drink unattended. But this is not a case where anyone was asking for it. They took private nudes and had them password protected. It's like expecting no one to break into your house and steal your stuff. Sure, it might happen, but it's in no way anyone's fault for owning the house that was broken into.

There are a lot of reasons for them not to take the pictures. Phones get stolen. Servers get hacked. "Trusted" boyfriends send around pictures to their friends. Ex-boyfriends will sometimes seek revenge.

The crime is with the thief, no doubt. But these girls put themselves into their situation by taking photographs which could be used to embarrass or humiliate them.

[Tau]

This is definitely the argument of rational people. Conservatives, prudes, and victim-blamers are the only ones who think that if you don't want the entire world to see your nudes then you shouldn't take them.

I agree with taking your safety into your own hands by taking precautions, as in not going to a frat party and leaving your drink unattended. But this is not a case where anyone was asking for it. They took private nudes and had them password protected. It's like expecting no one to break into your house and steal your stuff. Sure, it might happen, but it's in no way anyone's fault for owning the house that was broken into.

There are a lot of reasons for them not to take the pictures. Phones get stolen. Servers get hacked. "Trusted" boyfriends send around pictures to their friends. Ex-boyfriends will sometimes seek revenge.

The crime is with the thief, no doubt. But these girls put themselves into their situation by taking photographs which could be used to embarrass or humiliate them.

But why should we care? Why does it make the crime any less gross, and why should it be a reason to be less sympathetic toward them? If it was their TV that was stolen you wouldn't be saying that they shouldn't have had such big windows.

[Tom Bishop]

This is definitely the argument of rational people. Conservatives, prudes, and victim-blamers are the only ones who think that if you don't want the entire world to see your nudes then you shouldn't take them.

I agree with taking your safety into your own hands by taking precautions, as in not going to a frat party and leaving your drink unattended. But this is not a case where anyone was asking for it. They took private nudes and had them password protected. It's like expecting no one to break into your house and steal your stuff. Sure, it might happen, but it's in no way anyone's fault for owning the house that was broken into.

There are a lot of reasons for them not to take the pictures. Phones get stolen. Servers get hacked. "Trusted" boyfriends send around pictures to their friends. Ex-boyfriends will sometimes seek revenge.

The crime is with the thief, no doubt. But these girls put themselves into their situation by taking photographs which could be used to embarrass or humiliate them.

But why should we care? Why does it make the crime any less gross, and why should it be a reason to be less sympathetic toward them? If it was their TV that was stolen you wouldn't be saying that they shouldn't have had such big windows.

If they chose to live in a bad neighborhoods, neglected to put in a good alarm system, and kept valuables in plain sight, yes, it would be their fault.

If you left your iPhone in plain sight at a bar while you left to use the restroom, and it was gone when you got back, whose fault would it be?

[Rama Set]

The person who stole it obviously.

[rooster]

"Trusted" boyfriends send around pictures to their friends. Ex-boyfriends will sometimes seek revenge.

Sure, that can totally happen if you date or dated an asshole. But then the woman is giving those pictures to the boyfriend and it's no longer a case of theft. This is just a plain case of theft, not of a douche ex sharing his pictures with his bros.

The person who stole it obviously.

This, always.

Some people have no choice but to live in a bad neighborhood. If they live in a bad neighborhood then they probably can't afford to have a good alarm system. It's not their fault for living in a bad situation and having someone take advantage of it.

It also should be said that it literally makes no difference what a woman wears. Fully clothed women are raped all the time.

[Particle Person]

The person who stole it obviously.

This, always.

Some people have no choice but to live in a bad neighborhood. If they live in a bad neighborhood then they probably can't afford to have a good alarm system. It's not their fault for living in a bad situation and having someone take advantage of it.

It also should be said that it literally makes no difference what a woman wears. Fully clothed women are raped all the time.

Remember that Tom thinks that all poor people can only be poor because they are lazy or incompetent.

[rooster]

Remember that Tom thinks that all poor people can only be poor because they are lazy or incompetent.

Oh right.

[fappenhosen]

A recently released ex-con is wandering the street and has rape on the mind. He has decided that he's going to rape someone tonight. It's late and he sees several possible targets walk past him. Who is he going to pull into the darkened alley; the girl who is dressed like Marry Poppins or one dressed in a Victoria's Secret Babydoll?

Pretty sure this rape myth was debunked a long time ago.

Oh look it has.

http://www.consented.ca/myths/provocative-clothing-is-a-risk-factor/

[Tom Bishop]

"Trusted" boyfriends send around pictures to their friends. Ex-boyfriends will sometimes seek revenge.

Sure, that can totally happen if you date or dated an asshole. But then the woman is giving those pictures to the boyfriend and it's no longer a case of theft. This is just a plain case of theft, not of a douche ex sharing his pictures with his bros.

A boyfriend or an ex distributing your photos is a good reason not to take them in the first place, in addition risks of theft and hacking.

There are humiliating pictures of JL on her knees with semen on her face and in her mouth. I think an average girl knows enough by the age of 20 that it's probably not a good idea to take something like that.

This, always.

Some people have no choice but to live in a bad neighborhood. If they live in a bad neighborhood then they probably can't afford to have a good alarm system. It's not their fault for living in a bad situation and having someone take advantage of it.

I started the sentence with "If they chose".

When you choose to do something, with other better options available, the consequences of your bad choice is your fault. Bad people exist, and there is nothing you can do about it except take precautions. If you choose to leave your iPhone on the bar while you go to the restroom, when you find it missing it is your fault. If you leave $100 bills on your passenger seat and you find that your car has been broken into, it's your fault. If you move into a bad neighborhood to save money, even though you could afford to live in a good neighborhood, the consequences of that are your fault.

JL took embarrassing photos of herself, despite the many risks. The humiliation she receives is her fault. She can't remove the bad people from the world. She can't remove the risks. But she could have easily avoided the situation by not taking the photos.

[Pete Svarrior]

Some people have no choice but to live in a bad neighborhood. If they live in a bad neighborhood then they probably can't afford to have a good alarm system. It's not their fault for living in a bad situation and having someone take advantage of it.

Sure, in some cases, people simply can't take care of their homes' security. That's kinda tragic and it would suck if someone blamed them for it. I'm quite convinced none of the celebrities involved are affected by this issue.

This is more akin to leaving the door of your luxury mansion wide open, going for a month-long vacation, getting robbed, and claiming that you have absolutely no share in the blame.

Yes, the thief is the one guilty of committing a crime. There's no denying that. However, it's naive to say that you take no responsibility for the security of your home/data/hot hot porn pix.

[rooster]

But their photos were password protected, so the door was locked.

[Pete Svarrior]

But their photos were password protected, so the door was locked.

Well, not really. A bad password is more akin to a door handle. It provides fantastic security assuming the person trying to break in doesn't have hands (Actually, that's untrue. My cat knows how to open doors, being the sneaky hacker that she is).

Our society is just painfully computer-illiterate.

[rooster]

Our society is just painfully computer-illiterate.

People can't be expected to all be introverts studying computer science.
Theft is theft regardless. Sure, you can argue that they should have been more cautious but there will always be a criminal who can outsmart or overpower you.

When people shift too much blame to the victim it creates a pretty fucked up dynamic. News channels have focused more on celebrities taking nudes then discussing how this happened or who did it. So little kids at home will learn that you can steal private photos from someone and it's their fault for taking those photos in the first place.

[rooster]

Welp, /r/thefappening was finally banned by the reddit admins. Now I get to watch thousands of people berate the admins because /r/picsofdeadkids can exist but /r/thefappening cannot. It's crazy how attached people on Reddit have gotten to those images.

It looks like the final straw in banning it was this:

Moderators of The Fappening started panicking once they realised that nudes of Olympic athlete McKayla Maroney were taken when she was underage, meaning that sharing the photos could result in charges of child pornography.