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Most people know the dates their loved ones died. And, according to Tom, the family invited Trump. Which implies it was private. Especially given the lack of non- invited people.Was it a public ceremony or a private ceremony? Where was Trump for the first two anniversary ceremonies?So, it was an anniversary ceremony. So people did know the anniversary date. So, people knew.
Bringing a photographer to take pictures of you at a cemetery doesn't turn it into a political event, even if you indented to use the photos politically. You turned it political after the non-political event occurred. Keyword: after
It was agreed that if I had gone to the cemetery that the Army could not control what I say about politics or photos on Twitter. If they can't stop me from posting my political commentary on Twitter then they can't stop me planning to make political commentary before visiting the cemetery. They can only control the direct and immediate content of the events at the cemetery, and that control ends after I leave their property.
Again, the Army only has control over the immediate contents of the events at the cemetery. It does not have control over what you say politically afterwards, and it does not have control over whether you plan to say anything politically about it before visiting the cemetery. The Army does not have control over the thoughts in your head. The Army isn't an all-encompassing entity that controls the speech in your life. It can control the content of its events as much as any business can control the content of its events. If there were just photos taken there, then it's not a political event.
Can you show me a public announcement for it posted prior to the date?But for some reason, he felt it was important to make his visit public...Here is a guy who cannot take a shit without the media trying to publicize it, and Dave is trying to pretend the wreath-laying ceremony at ANC was made public because of Trump.
Who the fuck you trying to zoom here, Dave? Don't you ever get tired of posting terrible shit?
Trump doesn't read the room, he makes sure he only goes into rooms he controls.I'm part of society. I know that it is no longer the year 1650. Celebrations of Life are a thing now. I can show you memorial pictures of people laughing, joking, celebrating, dancing, showing peace signs and giving each other high fives. Again, who exactly is giving this rule that it is inappropriate to celebrate at cemeteries or memorials?When someone was murdered and their family is there. I'm sure if your mother died and someone gave a thumbs up at their grave while posing with you, you'd find it disrespectful. Or maybe not if you have no love for your mom. But yes, generallys peaking, thumbs up to Dead Soldier graves is considered bad in American society. Especially when given the context of "We want to remember how they were taken from us by terrorists."
This can be avoided by being able to read the room.
Sure. But that's not the issue. The issue is the filming. Trump can say whatever he wants on Twitter, but he can't film political ads on Army property. Had he no film or photo crew, it wouldn't be an issue. But for some reason, he felt it was important to make his visit public and in an ad... Why do you think that is?Quote from: Lord DaveTrump basically told the Army that he is above their rules.
In the area of US free speech, he is. The US Army can't tell me what political commentary I can't make on Twitter, for example. The restrictions of the kinds of activities they allow on their grounds doesn't extend to what I write in my home.
I'm part of society. I know that it is no longer the year 1650. Celebrations of Life are a thing now. I can show you memorial pictures of people laughing, joking, celebrating, dancing, showing peace signs and giving each other high fives. Again, who exactly is giving this rule that it is inappropriate to celebrate at cemeteries or memorials?When someone was murdered and their family is there. I'm sure if your mother died and someone gave a thumbs up at their grave while posing with you, you'd find it disrespectful. Or maybe not if you have no love for your mom. But yes, generallys peaking, thumbs up to Dead Soldier graves is considered bad in American society. Especially when given the context of "We want to remember how they were taken from us by terrorists."
The closest rule the ANC cites against using photography for political purposes refers to the Hatch Act for how federal employees may conduct themselves - "'Additionally, ANC will not authorize any filming for partisan, political or fundraising purposes,' citing the Hatch Act, which governs how federal employees can weigh in on political activities."Memo of regulations passed down by the DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY in 2022.
Federal employees may be limited by the Hatch Act in their political speech (with threat of dismissal or civil penalties, not criminal penalties), but not private citizens. Receiving presidential pension benefits doesn't make Trump a federal employee. He also never agreed to follow any rules in relation to that. The only employment contract a President agrees to when taking office is the famous oath of office of the president of the United States. There is no employee contract which says that the President will agree follow x rules upon taking office, for obvious reasons.
Incidentally, this is also why you guys think that Trump was constantly breaking rules during his reign. You just don't understand that the President makes the rules for the Executive Branch and that, outside of what the Constitution says about the presidency, no rules apply to the President. The position is not a regular employee.
(Filming or photographing will not be permitted if it conveys the impression that
cemetery officials or any visitor or family member is endorsing any product, service or
organization. Additionally, ANC will not authorize any filming for partisan, political or
fundraising purposes, in accordance with the Hatch Act, 32 CFR 553, and AR 360-1.
(c) Memorial services and ceremonies at Army National Military Cemeteries will not include partisan political activities.
(7) Military installations will not be used by any incumbents or new office-seeking candidates, their staff members,
or their campaign representatives for political campaign or election events, to include—public assemblies or town hall
meetings, polling or voting sites, speeches, fund-raisers, press conferences, postelection celebrations, or concession
addresses. This policy does not prohibit members of Congress and other elected officials from visiting military
installations to receive briefings, tours, or other official DOD information. Candidates that visit military installations to
conduct official business are not permitted to engage in any political campaign or election activity during the visit. The
PA personnel must notify their command Congressional affairs contact officer or the Office of the Chief of Legislative
Liaison (OCLL) to provide visibility on all Congressional-affiliated visits of elected officials. Personnel who work in
ARNG armories and other state facilities should review applicable state law for additional guidance and restrictions.
Returning to the previous topics:
> Smiling and giving a thumbs up at cemeteries is bad
According to who, exactly? Many people on their death beds repeatedly tell their families that they don't want them to be sad. The family who took the picture with Trump also did not complain about it and highly praised Trump for his involvement.
> Trump used his own photographer
Photography is not prohibited at Arlington
> Someone pushed someone
Considering that no police were called and this is not going to be investigated by a court of law, it's unclear who was in the wrong. I don't see evidence that Trump's associates were wrong.
> Filming or photographing will not be permitted if it conveys the impression that cemetery officials or any visitor or family member is endorsing any product, service or organization," an official media policy memo reads.
I didn't see any Vote for Trump signs
> It continues, "Additionally, ANC will not authorize any filming for partisan, political or fundraising purposes," citing the Hatch Act, which governs how federal employees can weigh in on political activities.
Trump is not a federal employee, irrelevant from the start.
> The memo specifically cites 32 CFR 553, which states, among other guidelines, that "Memorial services and ceremonies at Army National Military Cemeteries will not include partisan political activities."
The memorial service did not include partisan political activities. Again, the media confuses what occurred at the memorial service with what Trump posted about it afterwards.
Yeah but when ya see an accident enough times, its just boring. Which is why Trump is losing viewers.https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-first-interview-ratings-compared-donald-trump-1946932Everyone likes to gawk at various types of accidents, such as interstate pileups and train wrecks. People are willing to sit around for hours at events like these. Sometimes they contact others telling them to come and look.
This must be driving the orange doofus nuts. LOL
That IS odd. Maybe you should verify that. From someone not Trump.Odd that he'd make a whole video for his campaign about it if it wasn't a PR stunt. Especially since he skipped the last two years...Odd the family asked for photos and video and odd he skipped because he wasn't invited there the last two years?
LMMFAO!
A rally is not required, only that the grounds be used for political reasons.
Then the problem is clearly with this interpretation. According to this interpretation if a reporter writes an article saying that a pro-war politician hypocritically visited the military cemetery, then that reporter used the cemetery grounds for political purposes and should be fined/arrested.
How many politicians have pictures of themselves laying a wreath at Arlington National Cemetery? Can we just assume that it is many politicians, or do we need a collage of demonstrative photos? It could be argued that any sharing of a picture or video of a politician at Arlington is used for political reasons, as it would imply a moral or patriotic message about that politician.
Even in your own wording we find a concession that the interpretation is wrong. You are saying that the grounds cannot be used for political reasons. The grounds were used for non-political reasons at the time of the event. The photos of a non-political event were then distributed for political reasons. Talking about or looking at photos or video of an event is not a continuation of an event that is done and over, and nor is it use of the grounds, and can therefore be freely politicized.
Use of the grounds has a specific meaning. For example, if you are talking about a picture of a public park it is not use of the grounds.
You can obviously write an article about politicians visiting the cemetery with your own political slant, and you can also obviously share and talk about photos or videos of politicians visiting the cemetery with your political slant. This right extends to the politicians talking about their own visit as well. Arguing that you can talk about it with your political slant but Trump can't would clearly be a terrible argument.Trump grinning and flashing a thumbs-up in that picture - beyond being incredibly tacky and inappropriate
In one post you are wishing that Trump had been shot in the head and assassinated, and in another post you are a colonial era puritan who says it is inappropriate to smile or display positive gestures at cemeteries. So we can stop reading your larp with any seriousness right there.
Filming or photographing will not be permitted if it conveys the impression that cemetery officials or any visitor or family member is endorsing any product, service or organization," an official media policy memo reads.
It continues, "Additionally, ANC will not authorize any filming for partisan, political or fundraising purposes," citing the Hatch Act, which governs how federal employees can weigh in on political activities.
The memo specifically cites 32 CFR 553, which states, among other guidelines, that "Memorial services and ceremonies at Army National Military Cemeteries will not include partisan political activities."
LD: "Getting invited to a wreath-laying ceremony and attending as asked is a political PR stunt!"Odd that he'd make a whole video for his campaign about it if it wasn't a PR stunt. Especially since he skipped the last two years...
Can't make this shit up...
I just see a picture of Trump smiling with some people.
Did he hold a campaign rally there? No. Courts always hold the standard of substantial evidence of intent, not vague interpretation. There are no signs, memorabilia, there were no speeches, or anything indicative of a campaign event. The event he attended is obviously specifically about the 13 dead people and not about the alive Trump, so it's not a Trump campaign event.
Trump posting it to his social media feed also does not retroactively turn something that was not a campaign even into a campaign event. By that logic Trump could post a picture of himself shaking hands with Muhammad Ali in 1985 and we would have to hold that the 1985 handshake was a Trump campaign event, which is nonsense.
Was it paid for by the campaign?
Yeah, it was not a campaign event.
The family in question invited him to the cemetery.
Then he took a photo with the family.
"Thank you, Alex. I'll take, 'Things that did not happen' for 500!Says who? Cause Trump's own PR team says it did.
Would they vote for Trump tho?Quote from: Tom BishopTrump has offered him a role in his administration to lead up task forces to fulfill his pet projects on big pharma and JFK disclosure which RFK Jr.'s supporters were voting for him on. If RFK Jr. supports were hooked to Kennedy for those topics, they will obviously now be voting for Trump.
Quote from: garygreenyour source simply doesn't understand the difference between weighted and unweighted values.
Still waiting for an authority to be cited.QuoteRFK Jr.
Dems are currently in confusion and denial on what this means.
Not only has RFK endorsed Trump, he is actively campaigning for him now and appeared with Trump in a rally. Trump has offered him a role in his administration to lead up task forces to fulfill his pet projects on big pharma and JFK disclosure which RFK Jr.'s supporters were voting for him on. If RFK Jr. supports were hooked to Kennedy for those topics, they will obviously now be voting for Trump.https://twitter.com/BehizyTweets/status/1827131693326860539
CNN has a feeling that this might be bad for Kamala.Would they vote for Trump tho?https://twitter.com/_johnnymaga/status/1827121488085848444