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Title: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Pete Svarrior on October 10, 2016, 12:41:45 AM
You know the rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyDSCKYz5sA

get in lads
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Pete Svarrior on October 10, 2016, 12:44:41 AM
As per usual, the first stream I link is crap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRlI2SQ0Ueg
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: garygreen on October 10, 2016, 12:55:40 AM
up next: the continuing adventures of a woman who wishes she had a personality and a man who wishes he had any other personality.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Pete Svarrior on October 10, 2016, 12:57:15 AM
B I L L
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Pete Svarrior on October 10, 2016, 01:08:15 AM
And we're off!!!
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: garygreen on October 10, 2016, 01:09:08 AM
Hillary: with togetherness, we can togetherness and come together through our togetherness to be more together and also the economy.  what was the question again?
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Pete Svarrior on October 10, 2016, 01:09:22 AM
holy shit trump agreed with hillary that the previous debate sucked
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Pete Svarrior on October 10, 2016, 01:10:40 AM
<Snupes> Wow
<Snupes> This energy
<Irushwithscvs> If looks could kill, Trump's vision would have seared right through Hillary's skull
<Snupes> "mag ameriga grate agen"
<Snupes> Trump needs a nap js
<Irushwithscvs> Someone gave Trump one hell of a chill pill
<SexWarrior> He's trying to keep his cool so hard
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Pete Svarrior on October 10, 2016, 01:11:44 AM
AND HE DENIES IT
ISIS THEREFORE SEXUAL HARASSMENT IS FINE
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Pete Svarrior on October 10, 2016, 01:16:29 AM
Not the worst attempt at an apology from Trump, but Clinton is having absolutely none of it
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Pete Svarrior on October 10, 2016, 01:19:30 AM
B I L L
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: garygreen on October 10, 2016, 01:23:11 AM
this shit got real nasty real fast
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Pete Svarrior on October 10, 2016, 01:24:00 AM
Well, it was always gonna be nasty, but they're actually on surprisingly level ground for now
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Pete Svarrior on October 10, 2016, 01:25:32 AM
like share and subscribe hillaryclinton.c- HOLY SHIT HE WENT THERE
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: garygreen on October 10, 2016, 01:26:34 AM
this is embarrassing.  trump is embarrassing.  hillary is embarrassing.  the moderators are embarrassing.  the audience is embarrassing.

goddamn.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Pete Svarrior on October 10, 2016, 01:29:56 AM
fuck yeah challenge the moderator
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Pete Svarrior on October 10, 2016, 01:30:28 AM
This is the best evening entertainment ever
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: garygreen on October 10, 2016, 01:31:32 AM
apparently the town hall folks waiting patiently to ask policy questions are the only people in this shit show with any fucking dignity at all.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: juner on October 10, 2016, 01:33:20 AM
this is embarrassing.  trump is embarrassing.  hillary is embarrassing.  the moderators are embarrassing.  the audience is embarrassing.

goddamn.

This is the most succinct analysis thus far.

But thankfully they're finally getting into actual questions.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: garygreen on October 10, 2016, 01:33:38 AM
just imagine how awesome this debate would be if it were bernie vs. paul ryan.  that would've been so great.  i mean i know paul ryan wasn't running in the primary, but still.  would'a been dope.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Pete Svarrior on October 10, 2016, 01:46:27 AM
Hillary appeals to online memes in order to support an increase in refugee intake
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Pete Svarrior on October 10, 2016, 01:46:53 AM
just imagine how awesome this debate would be if it were bernie vs. paul ryan.  that would've been so great.  i mean i know paul ryan wasn't running in the primary, but still.  would'a been dope.
Also agreed
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Pete Svarrior on October 10, 2016, 01:53:48 AM
<Snupes> "I'm not saying [Trump] is a shill for Russia, but hey, y'know, I'm not saying that"
<Irushwithscvs> Trump will cause world war three with Russia! Also, Russia loves Trump!
<trekky0623> "Senator, you are no Jack Kennedy" version 2
<Snupes> Is this a shitty insult contest
<trekky0623> THERE WAS NO HACK
<SexWarrior> P U T I N
<trekky0623> :O
<Snupes> hahaha
<Snupes> I know nothing about Russia
<Snupes> uh
<Snupes> i mean
<Irushwithscvs> I know nothing about Russia
<Irushwithscvs> Wait
<Irushwithscvs> Fuck
<SexWarrior> I dunno Putin
<SexWarrior> What's a Putin
<SexWarrior> Was there a hacking
<SexWarrior> I dunno man
<SexWarrior> I know about Russia but I dunno about Russia
<trekky0623> Did he say he had no lungs with Russia?
<SexWarrior> Yes
<Irushwithscvs> Loans
<SexWarrior> Twice
<trekky0623> nah it's lungs
<trekky0623> That's why he's sniffing
<Irushwithscvs> I have no Russian lungs
<trekky0623> his lungs are in Russia
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Pete Svarrior on October 10, 2016, 02:05:13 AM
Hillary appears to know what Aleppo is
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Pete Svarrior on October 10, 2016, 02:36:14 AM
<George> oh dayum
<SexWarrior> shiiiii
<Irushwithscvs> O no
<George> what
<George> did she just say that
* junker (~Mutter@2607:fb90:284e:2a0a:61ef:5cf9:19ff:dc02) has joined
<George> Hillary, no
<Snupes> hahahahahahahaha
<SexWarrior> "I respect the person that isn't him"
<Irushwithscvs> Lol
<George> Don't do this
<Irushwithscvs> Wow
<George> Jesus no
<SexWarrior> H I L L A R Y
<Irushwithscvs> Lmao
<trekky0623> save it hillary you can do it
<George> You can't even respect how he built his brand?
<trekky0623> "Trump is a good father" SPIT IT OUT
<Irushwithscvs> What an absolute bitch hahahahhah
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Pete Svarrior on October 10, 2016, 02:39:03 AM
<trekky0623> ok guys Trump's response are we ready?
<Snupes> I can't wait
<trekky0623> "I respect Bill Clinton"
<George> oh man
<SexWarrior> holy shit
<Snupes> If he can say something he genuinely respects about her he'll win this line of questioning easily
<George> I respect Bill as a fellow womanizer
<trekky0623> holy shit Trump actually answered the question
<George> Trump just displayed more class than Hillary
<Snupes> wow
<SexWarrior> Holy shit Trump
<Irushwithscvs> Sweet Jesus this is good
<trekky0623> Xanax successfully did its job
<trekky0623> Xanax 2016
<Irushwithscvs> Hillary ended this debate acting like a bitch
<trekky0623> that guy just fell back in his chair
<George> That was not a good move
<Irushwithscvs> Goddamn
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: trekky0623 on October 10, 2016, 03:06:17 AM
OK guys take bets on whether Pence is still going to be on the ticket in a week, since he and Trump not only don't agree on Syria, but apparently have also never talked about Syria.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Pete Svarrior on October 10, 2016, 03:08:20 AM
but apparently have also never talked about Syria.
Probably because they were too busy talking about, y'know, America. Who cares about other countries?????
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Rama Set on October 10, 2016, 03:48:38 AM
but apparently have also never talked about Syria.
Probably because they were too busy talking about, y'know, America. Who cares about other countries?????

Probably because Trump is always brewing his next rage tweet for his 25M people.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on October 10, 2016, 12:11:01 PM
I love how Trump's best line of attack is suggest that a man who isn't running for the presidency shouldn't be president.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Rushy on October 10, 2016, 12:50:32 PM
Trump's best like of attack is constantly pointing out Hillary has been claiming she'll solve various issues for years and years.

Trump also did a fair job of talking about why Syria is the way it is in the first place. It's a big weak point for Hillary when she has to claim she'll fix a problem that she created.

I love how Trump's best line of attack is suggest that a man who isn't running for the presidency shouldn't be president.

Well I think it's fair game to attack Bill. If Hillary has such a huge problem with Trump's womanizing quote, then you have to wonder why she has stayed married to one of the most famous womanizers in the country.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Lord Dave on October 10, 2016, 01:06:30 PM
Trump's best like of attack is constantly pointing out Hillary has been claiming she'll solve various issues for years and years.

Trump also did a fair job of talking about why Syria is the way it is in the first place. It's a big weak point for Hillary when she has to claim she'll fix a problem that she created.

I love how Trump's best line of attack is suggest that a man who isn't running for the presidency shouldn't be president.

Well I think it's fair game to attack Bill. If Hillary has such a huge problem with Trump's womanizing quote, then you have to wonder why she has stayed married to one of the most famous womanizers in the country.

Well, we can also wonder why Trump has NOT stayed with his first two wives.  We can also ask why Trump's current wife condemned his words then said she forgave him.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Rushy on October 10, 2016, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Lord Dave link=topic=5404.msg105114#msg105114
Well, we can also wonder why Trump has NOT stayed with his first two wives.  We can also ask why Trump's current wife condemned his words then said she forgave him.

That's true, which is why the media had been blasting Melania for a good 24 hours before the debate. Also:

(http://i.imgur.com/ssXjnyY.png)
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Lord Dave on October 10, 2016, 01:31:37 PM
Quote from: Lord Dave link=topic=5404.msg105114#msg105114
Well, we can also wonder why Trump has NOT stayed with his first two wives.  We can also ask why Trump's current wife condemned his words then said she forgave him.

That's true, which is why the media had been blasting Melania for a good 24 hours before the debate. Also:

(http://i.imgur.com/ssXjnyY.png)
Have they?  I haven't noticed.
But hey, if it's ok to blast Bill's wife about her husband's controversies, why not blast TTrump's wife?

When dealing with terrorists, you gotta go after their families.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: trekky0623 on October 10, 2016, 02:11:02 PM
Anderson: Did you sexually assault women?
Trump: I'm going to defeat ISIS.

(http://i.imgur.com/9dGwFqS.png)
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: garygreen on October 10, 2016, 02:35:52 PM
super stoked that we're finally to the point of criticizing a candidate for not getting a divorce.  er, for not having gotten a divorce, i guess.  neat.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Rushy on October 10, 2016, 02:46:12 PM
super stoked that we're finally to the point of criticizing a candidate for not getting a divorce.  er, for not having gotten a divorce, i guess.  neat.

Is it now a good thing to stay married to someone who has made it quite obvious that the marriage is a political farce?
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: George on October 10, 2016, 02:46:19 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/10/politics/debate-ken-bone-staring-man-trnd/

http://www.gq.com/story/ken-bone-is-what-we-needed
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Rama Set on October 10, 2016, 03:06:28 PM
Trump's best like of attack is constantly pointing out Hillary has been claiming she'll solve various issues for years and years.

Trump also did a fair job of talking about why Syria is the way it is in the first place. It's a big weak point for Hillary when she has to claim she'll fix a problem that she created.

She was at the end of the continuum that created the mess, so I don't think it has to be framed exactly like that.

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I love how Trump's best line of attack is suggest that a man who isn't running for the presidency shouldn't be president.

Well I think it's fair game to attack Bill. If Hillary has such a huge problem with Trump's womanizing quote, then you have to wonder why she has stayed married to one of the most famous womanizers in the country.

But for Trump to to criticize Bill Clinton is so incredibly hypocritical. He should really stfu about morals until after he loses the election.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Rushy on October 10, 2016, 03:13:37 PM
She was at the end of the continuum that created the mess, so I don't think it has to be framed exactly like that.

She voted for the Iraq war and then voted to extend it each and every time a vote came up. She was proud of that fact until public opinion turned against the Iraq war; when it became apparent it was an absolute clusterfuck.

But for Trump to to criticize Bill Clinton is so incredibly hypocritical. He should really stfu about morals until after he loses the election.

Trump is just a mirror being held up to Hillary during this election. Anything she has ever accused Trump of doing, she has either done or defended when another person has done it.

Comparing Trump to Hillary is comparing a demon to the devil.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: garygreen on October 10, 2016, 03:29:38 PM
super stoked that we're finally to the point of criticizing a candidate for not getting a divorce.  er, for not having gotten a divorce, i guess.  neat.

Is it now a good thing to stay married to someone who has made it quite obvious that the marriage is a political farce?

i don't think it's in my purview to make a normative judgement of a complete stranger's marriage.  that doesn't compute for me at all.  i can't imagine what possible insights into the clinton marriage one can have from an armchair.

lol i mean i know hillary plays for the blue team and all, but it just seems kind of really really presumptuous.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Lord Dave on October 10, 2016, 03:31:47 PM
Hillary Clinton has(or defended someone who...) lost her cool when someone says she has tiny hands?
Hillary Clinton has(or defended someone who...) talked about kissing women and grabbing pussy?
Hillary Clinton has(or defended someone who...) sold stakes in a camera magazine?
Hillary Clinton (or defended someone who...) thinks a giant wall along the ENTIRE Mexican border is a great idea?
Hillary Clinton has(or defended someone who...) gets angry so very easily?


At this point the Trump camp is grasping at straws, pointing to Hillary's husband and saying "see?  She shouldn't be president because of the ex-president husband!" which is ridiculous.

I mean, I asked a trump supporter what the pros of Trump was.  I'm waiting for the answer. 
I asked another, who claimed Trump didn't condone what Bill Clinton did in the white house (I'm assuming he was talking about the affairs he had while governor), how he knew Trump didn't condone it. 

Quote from: Me
How do you know he didn't condone it?  I've heard rumors that Trump has had affairs himself (though I'm hesitent to trust the sources and haven't dug into it deeply).

Here's his answer:
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Trump wasn't the president. Not saying Trump has been a perfect man. I will hold him accountable if he becomes president. Not what he did in his private life 15 20 years ago.  What Clinton did when he was in the white house as a servant to the people was a disgrace. I mean even the dems couldn't stand it.

This is the level of Trump supporters: They don't really know what the hell they're talking about.  They just cling to Trump saying there's positive things like he's self funded (33% of all the money he raised) soo... not really.  It's absurd.  They see him as an option because they think he'll fix the economy.  They think he'll fix jobs.  He's a business man for pete's sake!  His mindset is the most work with minimal cost and most profits!  He'll likely start hiring illegals in the US government just to cut costs!
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Rushy on October 10, 2016, 03:45:52 PM
Hillary Clinton has(or defended someone who...) lost her cool when someone says she has tiny hands?

That's a rather specific and extremely literal interpretation of my statement.

Hillary Clinton has(or defended someone who...) talked about kissing women and grabbing pussy?

Yes. Multiple people, in fact. The answer is so easy, I'll leave it up to you to figure this one out.

Hillary Clinton has(or defended someone who...) sold stakes in a camera magazine?

I don't know what this is referencing. Hillary did funnel money from Haiti rebuilding committees to her brother's mining company, though.

Hillary Clinton (or defended someone who...) thinks a giant wall along the ENTIRE Mexican border is a great idea?

Yes, in fact she voted for the border wall in 2006. It's the very act she voted for that will allow Trump to build the wall in the first place.

Hillary Clinton has(or defended someone who...) gets angry so very easily?

Seems a rather broad statement with no real impact, even if I do rebut it.

At this point the Trump camp is grasping at straws, pointing to Hillary's husband and saying "see?  She shouldn't be president because of the ex-president husband!" which is ridiculous.

It's ridiculous to point out that she has condoned her husband's behavior for decades?
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: garygreen on October 10, 2016, 03:59:59 PM
dude you're aware that some people think divorce is wrong, right?  have you never encountered a religious person?  don't you live in the south?
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Lord Dave on October 10, 2016, 04:29:50 PM
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That's a rather specific and extremely literal interpretation of my statement.
Point is, Hillary doesn't fly off the handle like a child when someone insults her.

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Yes. Multiple people, in fact. The answer is so easy, I'll leave it up to you to figure this one out.
Fair enough.  Trump = Bill Clinton!

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I don't know what this is referencing. Hillary did funnel money from Haiti rebuilding committees to her brother's mining company, though.
... this was a typo on my part.
Should be Steaks.

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Yes, in fact she voted for the border wall in 2006. It's the very act she voted for that will allow Trump to build the wall in the first place.
Yes, I see.  Huh... and here I thought the border was closer to 2,000miles  not 700 miles. Thanks for clearing that up.
Welp, guess that Wall trump wanted to build isn't needed.  It's been there for a decade. 

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Seems a rather broad statement with no real impact, even if I do rebut it.
Did you WATCH the first debate?  (I haven't seen the second yet)  Donald Trump threw the adult equivalent of a temper tantrum when Hillary goaded him.  It didn't even take much.  By that alone I wouldn't vote for him.  I'd be afraid that every country or politician would essentially goad him into an outrage where he'd do/say something extremely foolish and irrational.

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It's ridiculous to point out that she has condoned her husband's behavior for decades?
Oh, he's been having sexual relations for decades?  Source?
Also, Melinda Trump has forgiven her husband.  Maybe Hillary did too?  But yes, yes it is.  Why she did forgave him is immaterial, just like why Melinda Trump forgave Donald.  It's also immaterial that Donald said that stuff, as bad as it is.  What matters is how he presents himself to the public. 

But hey, Hillary jumped at it so Trump can do it too, right?  That's the attitude to have: Stoop to their level.

Point is, Hillary is not a mirror to Trump.  They are two very different people with different goals, personalities, temperaments, and skills.  And if you really wanna say they're a mirror, then Trump must be the worst human being and should be put in jail.

Right?
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on October 10, 2016, 05:20:56 PM
I only heard parts again (the debates aren't really that interesting to me) but I didn't like Hillary's proposals on gun control. Didn't hear if Trump changed his position or not but if not then I still don't like his proposals either. However Hillary committed felonies and threatened national security with those emails. It wasn't a simple mistake.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Lord Dave on October 10, 2016, 05:42:06 PM
I only heard parts again (the debates aren't really that interesting to me) but I didn't like Hillary's proposals on gun control. Didn't hear if Trump changed his position or not but if not then I still don't like his proposals either. However Hillary committed felonies and threatened national security with those emails. It wasn't a simple mistake.

So far no one has charged her.

And Trump talked about his classified intelligence briefing.

Ssssooo....
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Lord Dave on October 10, 2016, 06:45:54 PM
Finally saw some of the 2nd debate.

Wow that turned ugly really fast.

I haven't seen enough to make an opinion but so far, I'd call it even.  Trump was much calmer though he deflected questions very quickly.

A simple yes or no would have been great but, you know, let's talk about ISIS instead.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: rooster on October 10, 2016, 06:59:59 PM
Trump was much calmer though he deflected questions very quickly.

A simple yes or no would have been great but, you know, let's talk about ISIS instead.
That's because he never actually has an answer for anything.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on October 10, 2016, 08:55:20 PM
I only heard parts again (the debates aren't really that interesting to me) but I didn't like Hillary's proposals on gun control. Didn't hear if Trump changed his position or not but if not then I still don't like his proposals either. However Hillary committed felonies and threatened national security with those emails. It wasn't a simple mistake.

So far no one has charged her.

And Trump talked about his classified intelligence briefing.

Ssssooo....

Do you really think the government is immune to corruption? A sailor was arrested for taking a picture of the submarine he was on and Hillary gets away with sending hundreds of classified emails.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Rushy on October 10, 2016, 10:48:07 PM
Point is, Hillary doesn't fly off the handle like a child when someone insults her.

Yes, she just makes remarks like "can't we drone this guy or something?" and her enemies magically die. I'm sure Gaddafi and the ambassador to Benghazi really wish they had made that Clinton Foundation donation!

Yes, I see.  Huh... and here I thought the border was closer to 2,000miles  not 700 miles. Thanks for clearing that up.
Welp, guess that Wall trump wanted to build isn't needed.  It's been there for a decade. 

It was half-assed, no surprise, as the US government excels at half-assing things.

Did you WATCH the first debate?  (I haven't seen the second yet)  Donald Trump threw the adult equivalent of a temper tantrum when Hillary goaded him.  It didn't even take much.  By that alone I wouldn't vote for him.  I'd be afraid that every country or politician would essentially goad him into an outrage where he'd do/say something extremely foolish and irrational.

Trump is simply an actor who tried to treat the presidential debate like the primaries, which backfired considerably. He modified his strategy extensively in the second debate. Remember, creating the "adult temper tantrum" moments is the only reason he is here today.


Oh, he's been having sexual relations for decades?  Source?

He didn't take those pleasure cruises on private jets to Taiwan for political talks.

Also, Melinda Trump has forgiven her husband.  Maybe Hillary did too?  But yes, yes it is.  Why she did forgave him is immaterial, just like why Melinda Trump forgave Donald.  It's also immaterial that Donald said that stuff, as bad as it is.  What matters is how he presents himself to the public.

It's Melania, not Melinda. Also, if it was said in private, how does it relate to him presenting himself to the public?
 
But hey, Hillary jumped at it so Trump can do it too, right?  That's the attitude to have: Stoop to their level.

I'm not sure what your point is. "Everyone is bad" has basically been the slogan of 2016.

Point is, Hillary is not a mirror to Trump.  They are two very different people with different goals, personalities, temperaments, and skills.  And if you really wanna say they're a mirror, then Trump must be the worst human being and should be put in jail.

Right?

Again, this is an extremely literal interpretation of what I've said (especially considering the statement I put just after it!). We all know that Trump is not literally an object which reflects light, you don't have to keep attacking that point.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: trekky0623 on October 11, 2016, 01:21:34 AM
Yes, she just makes remarks like "can't we drone this guy or something?" and her enemies magically die.

According to unnamed sources to TruePundit.com (http://truepundit.com/under-intense-pressure-to-silence-wikileaks-secretary-of-state-hillary-clinton-proposed-drone-strike-on-julian-assange/), who seems to not know the difference between "illegal" and "nonlegal." Seems legit.

It is also hilarious that Wikileaks essentially copy-pasted that section and then put it in a monospace font when they tweeted it (https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/782906224937410562?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw). To make us think it was an actual document? I don't know, but it made me lose respect for Wikileaks.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: George on October 11, 2016, 03:33:14 AM
http://www.snopes.com/julian-assange-drone-strike/

http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/10/no-clinton-didnt-say-she-wanted-to-drone-strike-assange.html

Huh, I had no idea that this was bullshit.  I had actually just assumed it was an official WikiLeaks release - as in, we had the audio of it or something.

In any case, even if it were true, it doesn't address the criticism of Trump's childish, impulsive temperament.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Fortuna on October 13, 2016, 06:42:35 PM
super stoked that we're finally to the point of criticizing a candidate for not getting a divorce.  er, for not having gotten a divorce, i guess.  neat.

Is it now a good thing to stay married to someone who has made it quite obvious that the marriage is a political farce?

i don't think it's in my purview to make a normative judgement of a complete stranger's marriage.  that doesn't compute for me at all.  i can't imagine what possible insights into the clinton marriage one can have from an armchair.

lol i mean i know hillary plays for the blue team and all, but it just seems kind of really really presumptuous.

I suspect the reason Hillary stayed with Bill is because she knew she'd lose political influence without him. She would probably not be running for President right now if she had divorced him. She's a brilliant politician, but that also makes her a full-blown sociopath.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: George on October 13, 2016, 06:55:43 PM
How does that make her a sociopath?  If anything, it makes her more sympathetic.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Lord Dave on October 13, 2016, 07:01:31 PM
super stoked that we're finally to the point of criticizing a candidate for not getting a divorce.  er, for not having gotten a divorce, i guess.  neat.

Is it now a good thing to stay married to someone who has made it quite obvious that the marriage is a political farce?

i don't think it's in my purview to make a normative judgement of a complete stranger's marriage.  that doesn't compute for me at all.  i can't imagine what possible insights into the clinton marriage one can have from an armchair.

lol i mean i know hillary plays for the blue team and all, but it just seems kind of really really presumptuous.

I suspect the reason Hillary stayed with Bill is because she knew she'd lose political influence without him. She would probably not be running for President right now if she had divorced him. She's a brilliant politician, but that also makes her a full-blown sociopath.
Or she did for other reasons.
Plenty of women don't divorce their husbands when said husband cheats.  It's not uncommon and isn't motivated by politics or career.
Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Snupes on October 14, 2016, 12:58:23 AM
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Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Fortuna on October 14, 2016, 02:38:17 AM
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Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Snupes on October 15, 2016, 03:24:13 AM
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Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Fortuna on October 15, 2016, 03:25:30 PM
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Title: Re: 9th October 2016 - second US presidential debate
Post by: Rama Set on October 16, 2016, 01:16:26 AM
Well this is fun.