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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How do sunsets work in a flat earth?
« on: December 23, 2015, 06:17:31 AM »
The earth is flat.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Dealing with Conspiracy Theories
« on: August 12, 2014, 07:17:04 PM »
So.. about this "waving" flag. Has anyone ever observed a flag to wave like this on earth?

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That's exactly the type of thing that would make me think they wouldn't want to do this with Facebook.
And why would they want to use G+? It's literally the same thing, only less popular.
G+ isn't for close friends. Well, it turned out to not be for that. It turned out to be for connecting to people with like minded interests.

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The whole point of markjo making this thread was satisfy some members fears of revealing a phone number. That's exactly the type of thing that would make me think they wouldn't want to do this with Facebook.

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So if we are just talking about the hangouts app then that means nothing really

I don't see how that helps xmpp be a standard. For your purposes. A few messenger of sorts. Do you want to add random FE people to your personal friends list. Is this something anyone wants to do. Like I said earlier when I brought up fb. People treat it like a silo. They are choosy about their friend lists.

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I'm not at a computer so I cant be bothered to quote individual parts of what you said. I'll address them in order though.

That info graphic doesn't display hangouts numbers. You have just implied that all of these apps have better numbers than hangouts but you can't tell this from the chart. Oh, and g+ users are hangouts users.

Xmpp.... Yes, not a complete implementation. There is nothing standardizing about what Facebook does for xmpp. If anything its making it proprietary, not to mention that Facebook competes with itself in messaging via its acquisitions.

I think you do understand computers. I'll give you that. I do too.

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And really, you and Parsifal seem like the same person. Always backing each others wrong ideas up.

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Few people use G+? That's funny. I'm sure it the fastest growing social network of all time. The second largest at the moment.

Facebook Chat does not actually run an XMPP server internally, but merely presents an XMPP interface to clients. This is not helping the attempt to make it a standard at all.

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I already did. Parsifal thinks that xmpp has the potential to become a standard. Which is wrong.
I don't think you quite understand what "substantiation" is. Nonetheless, what you said is also wrong. Google Talk Hangouts already had its chance and failed, therefore it clearly can't become popular again. Right? Wrong. The fact that it dipped in popularity means nothing.

Also, given the prominence of Facebook Chat, I would strongly suggest reconsidering your claims about XMPP, even if you intend to leave them unsubstantiated as you did.
Incorrect. Hangouts is backed by a large corporation that can put funds into making hangouts a big deal. Its the default messaging app on android and google voice integration is coming with carrier deals.

Facebook is a standard for talking to close friends but not for messaging as a whole because people treat their Facebook accounts like silos and are very selective about who they friend.

You and Parsifal have not made a single good point. You just circle jerk each other. That's about it.

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Its no surprise that you think that when someone is right they are wrong and vice versa. I mean you think the earth is flat.
And you think e-mails can't be spoofed. Now that we've dealt with random irrelevant crap, would you like to substantiate your point, or are you done?
I already did. Parsifal thinks that xmpp has the potential to become a standard. Which is wrong.

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It's no surprise that you think that when someone is right they are wrong and vice versa. I mean you think the earth is flat.

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You're a fool.
rofl

ITT: rottingroom is wrong again, doesn't know how to handle it again.
No I'm not. You are out of your mind. I am right again. Just as the Facebook thread.

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The fact that it had its chance. If you were talking about some new potential standard then you might have a point. We aren't talking about a new standard though. We are talking about an attempt at a standard that the world said bye bye to.

Yes, we've established that. Do you know what a logical connection is?
You're a fool.

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I know what a standard is. If a messaging standard ever comes about it won't be xmpp. Not because it isn't any good but because we tried it, it had its chance and it failed. People are not adopting it, its numbers are dwindling. What you consider good won't ever be much without people using it. You sort of need people to use it for it to be worth anything.

What is the logical connection between "we tried it and it failed" and "it won't become a standard"?
The fact that it had its chance. If you were talking about some new potential standard then you might have a point. We aren't talking about a new standard though. We are talking about an attempt at a standard that the world said bye bye to.

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Well it doesn't sound like we are having the same conversation then. It'd be nice if there was a standard, you may wish all you want.

I think we are, you just seem to assume that standards come about because someone, somewhere decides that there shall be a standard. No, standards come about because people use them, and the best way to improve the adoption of a standard is to adopt that standard.

You can wish for one thing and do something that achieves the polar opposite if you like. Meanwhile, I will use the things that I think are good.
I know what a standard is. If a messaging standard ever comes about it won't be xmpp. Not because it isn't any good but because we tried it, it had its chance and it failed. People are not adopting it, its numbers are dwindling. What you consider good won't ever be much without people using it. You sort of need people to use it for it to be worth anything.

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Yes, I'm well aware that XMPP isn't widely accepted as a standard. That's irrelevant to my claim that it would be a far better standard than anything we have currently. Pointing out that specific apps which implement XMPP aren't popular is missing the point.
Well it doesn't sound like we are having the same conversation then. It'd be nice if there was a standard, you may wish all you want.

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Here's the highest rated xmpp app in the play store.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.xabber.android

A very small minority of people care about xmpp enough to consider installing something so horrendous on their device.

It tried to become a standard. It succeeded for a while. Then AOL became irrelevant and google talk gave it up too and the game was over.

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Hangouts is on iPhone and Android and you can use it from any computer. It also has hangout video chats which allows up to 10 people to all be videochatting at the same time. The videochat functionality uses Web RTC too which means that nobody has to install any software for it to work.
So, in what way is it a more appropriate text messaging platform than XMPP?
All the services that were plugging into it have been slowly ditching it for years. I mean, you can use what you want. It's not like I have any interest at all in participating in whatever it is you are doing. I'm just offering an opinion and I like hangouts because it is fast, reliable and easy to access. The video service is second to none and every hangout can be published into a YouTube video as well.

That doesn't answer pizaaplanet's question.

The messaging in general across the whole internet is getting annoying though. There are too many competing standards and stubborn users who think everyone else should be using the messaging app that they like. Myself included. It's only getting worse too.

Which XMPP solves, since it isn't a "messaging app", but a protocol that any app can implement.

Can you please answer the question now?
Sounds like you are trying to have a debate. I'm sorry that I don't care.

And xmpp does not solve this problem. People don't want to use apps that use xmpp. People want to use hangouts, Skype, Facebook messenger, bbm, Snapchat and imessage. Go ahead and get your jabber on. Nobody wants that shit.

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Hangouts is on iPhone and Android and you can use it from any computer. It also has hangout video chats which allows up to 10 people to all be videochatting at the same time. The videochat functionality uses Web RTC too which means that nobody has to install any software for it to work.
So, in what way is it a more appropriate text messaging platform than XMPP?
All the services that were plugging into it have been slowly ditching it for years. I mean, you can use what you want. It's not like I have any interest at all in participating in whatever it is you are doing. I'm just offering an opinion and I like hangouts because it is fast, reliable and easy to access. The video service is second to none and every hangout can be published into a YouTube video as well.

The messaging in general across the whole internet is getting annoying though. There are too many competing standards and stubborn users who think everyone else should be using the messaging app that they like. Myself included. It's only getting worse too.

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The messaging platform that everyone should be using is hangouts.

No.
Yes

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