[From a globe-earther]
So what is the motive for the government or whoever to lie about the shape of the Earth?
Like what benefits does it give them?
I can't see any. It makes no sense to me.
Why not just say it was flat?
Also, whoever is lying to us would have had to have started hundreds of years ago because even around the time Christopher Columbus was alive, it was commonly accepted that the Earth was round. (It's a false myth that he proved the Earth was round, everyone knew already)
Because big science once really believed it was round, for many of the same reasons you believe it's round today, and Aristotle believed it was round 2500 years ago, but proved themselves to themselves wrong when they entered space in the mid 20th century, and to their surprise and chagrin, stared back at a flat earth.
If they came clean and fessed up now, big science and big government would lose much of their credibility, so they have to keep the lie going.
Plus there's a lot of money in the lie anyway, and they lie about where a lot of the money goes, a lot more than we think goes directly into their pockets.
Now if the earth is flat and infinite or at least a lot bigger than globular earth, than there'd also be money in exploring other parts of the earth too, but because of a dome, or aliens and/or angels forbidding us from exploring other parts of the earth, it may not be possible.
Also, if there are aliens and/or angels beyond Antarctica, they may be trying to keep knowledge of them hidden for sociopolitical purposes.
This is where FEH falls apart. The fake conspiracy. Scientists have egos, and they love proving one another wrong. No scientist is remembered for following the crowd. All the greats have changed the way we view the world. If the Earth was flat, someone would have said so and changed history. You can dream up a million fantasy reasons why they would lie, but in the end it really is just fantasy. Maybe it fills some need in you to think you're being lied to all the time or that you can't trust "the system". I don't know. You give humans far too much credit in their ability to keep secrets. We are miserable at it.
Yea, and the greats, the heroes of science are few and far in between.
Most scientists, like most people are sheople.
And there are some unsung heroes who've been unfairly marginalized and ostracized.
Scientists have caught themselves and have been caught by others lying many times in the past.
Tip of the ice berg: Sugar and Tobacco companies paid scientists to withhold data that would damage their products marketability.
Now eventually these lies were uncovered, after decades and millions dead of cancer and diabetes, but if they lied in the past, what makes you so sure they're not lying to us today?
Of course some of them are lying to us about some things, the only sensible question is: how deep does the deception go, is it just a few rotten apples, or is the whole of science rotten to the core?
I am not against, science, but I am against scientism.
Science is a method, among other things perhaps, with various submethods, and among other methods, like the Zetetic, Cartesian, Socratic, Zen Buddhist, intuitionist, and so on and so forth, for uncovering truth.
But Scientism is an ideology: the notion that science put into practice, can virtually do no wrong.
Theoretically it's a really good method at least, perhaps one of, or even the best man can at this point in his evolution conjure for uncovering many truths.
The problem is you have a rosy picture of it, especially when it comes to its practice.
The Human Specie, of which last I checked scientists are still members of, are motivated by all sorts of things: wealth, power, ego, sex, violence and the list goes on, the aesthetics, attachment to, popularity and comprehensibility of their theoretical models versus the truth.
Now there are checks and balances in place to make truth the priority, just as there are checks and balances in place to keep corporations, media and politicians from lying to us, and guess what?
These checks and balances aren't perfect, arguably far from it, and as good as they can be, theoretically at least, always room for improvement.
Now politicians aren't sacred to us, nor is your mechanic, we're not afraid to challenge and stand up to them when we think there is a need.
So what's so sacred about scientists and doctors?
Nothing, absolutely nothing is, it's buyer beware, it always has been, still is and always will be, it's just some'll always be more gullible than others.
One needs to find the right balance of skepticism and trust, and in my opinion most of us place far too much faith in our institutions, to the point of absurdity.
If I said to you politicians love justice, you would probably scoff.
Well, the same is true of scientists and truth.
It's a business...it's about the bottom line.
Science has become a highly lucrative industry.
Gone are the days of the wealthy, lone natural philosopher wandering off into a cave, field or forest nearby his country home to nobly pursue his lofty, Aristotelian notion of truth at his leisure.
All the low hanging fruit has been picked.
Now we have teams of scientists fresh out of uni with student debt and a mortgage to pay, equipped with advanced, state of the art, highly specialized, technical instruments and laboratories, millions upon billions of dollars invested in them and their experiments...so they damn well better come up with something good, or make it look good, for the corporations and governments funding them, or they will be axed.
Such people are easy to herd.
Gone are the days when the common man with a few coin, some binoculars, a measuring tape and a pencil could confirm many a scientific theory for himself.
Science has become so compartmentalized, so esoteric, and so very far removed form laypeople, especially when it comes to astrophysics, and so all the more easy to manipulate by the powers that be.