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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 27, 2023, 02:02:22 PM »
look just because i told a contract killer "this person has become a problem for me, and i need that problem eliminated, here's $10,000 and the person's home address" doesn't mean i committed a crime. i never once said "kill this person for $10,000." stop stealing my free speech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 03, 2023, 02:42:48 PM »
if the candidate i'd been hyping for the last eight years just got indicted for attempting to overthrow american democracy, i'd probably wanna change the subject to some meaningless david brooks column, too.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 27, 2023, 03:56:19 PM »
suppose a grand jury subpoenas my personal diaries. now suppose i tell my lawyer to go through my home on june 2nd and collect all my diary entries and turn them over to the grand jury. but on june 1st, i direct someone to remove some of my diaries out of my home and put them into a storage locker, even though i know for a fact that they have been subpoenaed. to top it all off, i have one of my other attorneys certify to the grand jury that all my diaries have been turned over, even though she wasn't present in my home on june 2nd, and even though, again, i know for a fact that the certification is not true.

i have just committed a felony.

notice that at no point did i ever have to use the words confidental, or president, or presidental records act, or anything else like that. nor would it matter if the security locker is the deepest vault in fort knox. none of that shit matters.

now, the fact that "diaries" in this particular case is actually "extremely confidential and sensitive government work-product that i had absolutely no legal right to possess in the first place" makes the magnitude of my criminal act very very bad and adds a bunch of additional criminal penalties. but it's really not relevant to the underlying felony: intentionally lying to a grand jury.

read the fucking indictment. goddamn.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 20, 2023, 04:23:18 AM »
nothing that you have said so far has anything to do with the actual indictment.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 15, 2023, 05:33:09 PM »
dude why not just read the indictment instead of responding to your own made-up version of what you think it says.

here's the link again in case you missed it: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000188-a12f-db74-ab98-b3ff4de50000

or listen to what trump's own attorney general is saying:


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 12, 2023, 07:45:56 PM »
finally got around to reading the full indictment. it's truly stunning. trump should spend the rest of his life in prison.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000188-a12f-db74-ab98-b3ff4de50000

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 15, 2023, 12:17:37 PM »
why on earth would he appeal? this judgement is a huge win for trump.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 13, 2023, 10:19:51 PM »
guys tim is right, having to pay out $5 million for sexual assault is a huge win for trump and proves that he never sexually assaulted anyone

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 08, 2023, 11:05:53 PM »
lol tell me you'll be single until the day you die without telling me you'll be single until the day you die

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Official Sports Thread
« on: May 01, 2023, 02:16:00 PM »
I’m back.

No analysis - but I can offer a very important

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lol i hope someone has taken gary bettman's shoelaces and belt and stuff. and no sharp objects for the next few days.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Do liberal elites worship Satan?
« on: April 29, 2023, 06:09:58 PM »
All hail our dark lord, ruler of the dewey decimal system.

As a member of the liberal elite, I confirm that we all worship Satan. This is not a secret, you could have just asked.

I sacrificed a baby just this morning. It's blood was delicious.

hey please don't be so obvious, you nuts. you're just supposed to put 666 in lots of stuff and always set your clocks to 9:11, shit like that. i mean damn is this your first day in the cabal or what?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 19, 2023, 07:16:29 PM »
i wonder why fox news didn't answer this lawsuit by simply proving that the election was rigged and their evidence was accurate. i was made to believe that there were veritable mountains of obvious, direct proof that the election was rigged and that anyone who said otherwise is a desperate shill.

wouldn't it have been a good idea for fox to use some of that evidence here? it seems like it would've saved them a lot of money.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Official Sports Thread
« on: April 13, 2023, 04:30:26 PM »
iceman we need your nhl analysis. tell me why boston is so good, i haven't been paying attention.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: April 10, 2023, 12:23:45 AM »
hillary clinton caught LAUGHING this is epic

just out of curiosity, is the implication supposed to be that she thinks the sexual abuse of children is funny?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 24, 2023, 02:12:01 PM »
this shit doesn't move the needle for me at all. i couldn't give less of a fuck about trump paying daniels and then technically not recording it properly or whatever. who cares.

the motherfucker is literally on tape begging governors to fix the 2020 general. and then separately inciting a mob to try to overthrow the federal government and install himself as a fucking dictator. how about we try him for actual crimes that matter at all.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Absurd censorship
« on: February 22, 2023, 10:02:16 PM »
my big-picture viewpoint is that the coercive suppression of ideas is a necessary component of censorship.
If I only censor things a little bit instead of a lot, that's okay in your world?

if you're not even going to bother reading what i write, then i'm not sure why i should do the same for you.


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Absurd censorship
« on: February 21, 2023, 10:15:33 PM »
Tell you what, next time you get published, I'll change the words you write, not only post-publication but post-mortem..

lol dig my corpse up and carve swastikas in it for all i'll give a shit. i'll be dead. lmao i love that apparently i shouldn't be concerned with offending living humans, but i should be deeply concerned about offending the sensibilities of dead people. pick a lane fam.

but to your point, if i die and my estate voluntarily decides to change some words in some shit i wrote because they feel like it, i don't think that's censorship. honestly even if my estate were like "we hate gary, fuck him, we're not publishing his idiot writings anymore and we're burning every copy we own," i still don't get how that's censorship. the fact that i personally wouldn't want that to happen changes nothing.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Absurd censorship
« on: February 21, 2023, 09:03:17 PM »
That's a way of saying it's not a big deal. I don't think that's relevant to the thread topic. People have a problem with the censorship itself, not the importance or lack thereof regarding it.

no, it's a way of saying that no idea, opinion, or plot device present in the story has been removed. my big-picture viewpoint is that the coercive suppression of ideas is a necessary component of censorship. it could be similarly helpful for one or more of you to define what you think censorship is instead of just asserting that it's obvious.

which new message deviates from the original work? can you be more specific?
You already quoted that.

i quoted changes in adjectives. descriptions. you said that the revisions push a new message that is different from the original. can you elaborate on the old and new messages and how they differ?

Certain words have certain meanings. Other words have other meanings. How is nuking certain words from the story and replacing them not censorship of the idea of the original word?

so again it seems that your definition of censorship is just "change." i think that's too vague to be useful. "nuking certain words and replacing them" happens literally every time any written work is edited by anyone.

what controls for me is the use of coercion and the suppression of ideas and opinions. sure, you can say "every word relates to an idea," but i don't think it's useful to call all forms of editing censorship.

When I say a person is fat, that means something specific (that they have an overabundance of fat). If I say they're enormous, that is much more vague. It could be that Augustus Gloop is a powerlifter. You don't know anymore because the new word is more vague. That's the whole point of changing it.

whether or not an edit causes confusion for the reader really doesn't have anything to do with the question of "is this edit censorship."

where exactly is censorship taking place? if that is censorship, then i would submit that the word no longer has any meaning. at least no meaning beyond "anytime anyone does something i personally would not have done."

Please, Gary, you're smarter than this.

feel free to elaborate. i made it clear what i think censorship entails and why this doesn't fit the criteria. "i am obviously right" doesn't interact with what i said at all.

You making this post is fucking stupid. Mocking people for having a problem with censorship, even if you don't think it is important, is not okay. If you have a problem with the thread then you can proceed to fuck off and leave the rest of the people discussing the topic alone. The world does not revolve around Gary's List Of Important Things Gary Takes Seriously.

i'm not mocking anyone for having a problem with censorship. if the roald dahl books were actually being censored, i'd probably agree with you all.

i'm mocking you lot for sounding like a bunch of 14-year-olds who say bedtime is fascist.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Absurd censorship
« on: February 21, 2023, 04:51:27 PM »
If it is not a big deal, then why the bother of changing it in the first place?

i said it's not important to the story.

If trying to convey a message different from the original work isn't censorship, then what is censorship? Should we just call it spindoctoring instead? Would that appease your child-like attempt to mock the thread?

which new message deviates from the original work? can you be more specific?

i think censorship is about suppression/repression of ideas, coercion, force, that sort of thing. let's look at the actual chain of events. so basically no one was saying anything about the roald dahl books or asking them to change anything. then the people who own and publish the books voluntarily chose to work with a non-profit organization to change a small amount of the books' language to "ensure Dahl's wonderful stories and characters continue to be enjoyed by all children today."

where exactly is censorship taking place? if that is censorship, then i would submit that the word no longer has any meaning. at least no meaning beyond "anytime anyone does something i personally would not have done."

also as an aside to the whole thread, this is not a fucking sacred text, written by god, where no word can be changed lest we incur The Wrath of the Dahl. lmao my brothers and sisters in christ, they're children's books. i love them too, but they're children's books. and the idea that making them slightly more inclusive by changing words like "fat" to "enormous" is some egregious violation of our collective childhoods is...i'm sorry, but it's fucking stupid lol. relax.


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Absurd censorship
« on: February 21, 2023, 03:19:24 PM »
https://www.npr.org/2023/02/21/1158347261/roald-dahl-books-changed-offensive-words

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The character Augustus Gloop in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is no longer called "fat." Instead he is described as "enormous," The Telegraph reports.

Instead of being called "small men," Oompa-Loompas are now "small people," the article says.

Further, the changes to these books include adding language not originally written by Dahl. In his 1983 book The Witches, he writes that witches are bald beneath their wigs. According to The Telegraph, an added line in new editions says, "There are plenty of other reasons why women might wear wigs and there is certainly nothing wrong with that."

i too am super mad about this censorship. and that's definitely what it is. anytime anything changes, that's censorship. i hate censorship!

it's just super important to me (and to the story!) that gloop is called fat instead of enormous. the story doesn't even make sense now. how am i supposed to explain this to my children?

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