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Flat Earth Theory / Re: ISS Video of Hurricane Harvey

« on: August 28, 2017, 05:16:52 PM »

Turns out the ustream video isn't very "live".
Every time I refresh it starts over at the same time slot.
I'm searching for a video feed that is actually real-time now.
Perhaps this one from youtube will work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtU_mdL2vBM
I watch it for a while and see if it matches up with the tracker.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: ISS Video of Hurricane Harvey

« on: August 28, 2017, 04:04:25 PM »

Here is a live stream of the ISS.

Not Months of processing, not weeks, not days.  This is live.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-iss-stream

And here is a realtime ISS tracking website.
http://www.isstracker.com/

I can only assume that these two peaces of alleged Real-Time data fit together, but I'll try an experiment and see if the weather condition I view in the sky outside my house match the images shown on the ustream when the isstracker says it should.

If anyone would like to join me, I welcome your participation.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Do passenger airplane windows distort camera photos?

« on: August 28, 2017, 03:56:01 PM »

So back on topic.
We can all see the curvature of the Earth in every high altitude photo.
If a passenger jet is not flying high enough to show the curvature from left to right, it still shows the curvature away from the viewer.

The horizon does not continue to rise to the vanishing point as it should on a flat Earth.  Instead it curves down, away, out of sight. It does this in all directions.  This is simple easy proof that the Earth is a globe.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Are there any FE who think it's NOT the moon causing the eclipse?

« on: August 25, 2017, 11:06:25 PM »

I don't think that animation is intended to depict the whole year, it is more of a "day in the life" image.  It shows the FE idea of where the sun and moon would be on a particular day (apparently a full moon day near one of the equinoxes, based on the sun's position at or just barely north of the equator).

All of that is exactly what I meant when I said, "I understand that this diagram is a simplification".

Dear Flat Earth Society, 
Is there a diagram that is not a simplification?
Sincerely,
JHelzer

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Flat Earth Theory / ISS Video of Hurricane Harvey

« on: August 25, 2017, 10:58:04 PM »

When I look at this video released from the International Space Station looking down at Hurricane Harvey, it looks absolutely real to me.

• It is higher than any plane can fly.
• It is moving faster than any plane can fly.
• It is current.  Harvey is happening today and there it is.

What about this video is not believable?
Come on guys.  Believe with me that the ISS is just what NASA and Russia and Japan and Europe say it is.

https://youtu.be/WjxZd7fPSVI

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat Earth Expedition to Antartica

« on: August 23, 2017, 06:12:25 AM »

Make sure you go in December so you can see the Sun spin around the horizon.  Then you can come back to tell us all about how cool that was.  I've seen it in the north during the summer when I lived in Sweden.  I also saw the opposite in the winter when the Sun only just popped over the horizon for 3 hours per day.  Amazing, but not great.  Really, really cold.
Good luck on your expedition.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Reminder: The Moon Covers the Sun in Total Eclipse Because 'Coincidence'

« on: August 23, 2017, 05:58:00 AM »

Except when it's an annular solar eclipse.

Excellent point. 


How can the annular solar eclipse be explained by a FE model where the Sun and Moon are the same size?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Are there any FE who think it's NOT the moon causing the eclipse?

« on: August 23, 2017, 05:21:34 AM »

I think you know the answer to that question.  FE claims there is no real FE map, and that diagrams in the Wiki are just examples.  What I wonder is how is the Wiki the end all when people say to read it, but when you quote it you are told that it's only for examples.

I've seen what TomInAustin is talking about happen before on this message board, but am hoping it won't happen this time.  Can someone point me to a more detailed description of the moon's motion relative to the Earth and Sun?  I'd like to see a description, diagram, or animation that shows how the moon cycles through its phases and how it periodically ends up on the same side as the sun to enable a solar eclipse.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: How far was it from the Sun to the Moon ?

« on: August 22, 2017, 10:33:45 PM »

Why your beliefs of the 2500-3000 miles altitude "measurements" could be accurate more than my crazy thoughts of existence of other suns and them having variable heights relatively to periods of days/weeks/months? This is the same types of beliefs as spheroid earth!
...
I don't have much of the personal real evidence: only videos and comments on the internet as possible clues and hints.
My assumption is that suns also have variable sizes, irradiances, brightnesses, so as the moons and some of the stars, and, mine most crazy one - planets. I was perhaps wrong about quantity of suns: it's less than 50!

Almost all the sky objects, if not all, are definitely artificial. These objects presumably are working because of highly-advanced holographic shells(disc of the sun, face of the moon) with a projector supposedly located within the shell. Don't ask me yet who made them - i just can't say 'i know', i only have assumptions ...

Holy cow!  I just love this forum.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Reminder: The Moon Covers the Sun in Total Eclipse Because 'Coincidence'

« on: August 22, 2017, 10:28:12 PM »

Here is a wikipedia quote on the same subject...

While gravitation causes acceleration and movement of the Earth's fluid oceans, gravitational coupling between the Moon and Earth's solid body is mostly elastic and plastic. The result is a further tidal effect of the Moon on the Earth that causes a bulge of the solid portion of the Earth nearest the Moon that acts as a torque in opposition to the Earth's rotation. This "drains" angular momentum and rotational kinetic energy from Earth's spin, slowing the Earth's rotation. That angular momentum, lost from the Earth, is transferred to the Moon in a process (confusingly known as tidal acceleration), which lifts the Moon into a higher orbit and results in its lower orbital speed about the Earth. Thus the distance between Earth and Moon is increasing, and the Earth's spin is slowing in reaction. Measurements from laser reflectors left during the Apollo missions (lunar ranging experiments) have found that the Moon's distance increases by 38 mm (1.5 in) per year (roughly the rate at which human fingernails grow). Atomic clocks also show that Earth's day lengthens by about 15 microseconds every year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon#Tidal_effects

Did you notice that the Moon moves away from Earth the same amount that human fingernails grow? What a coincidence!!!

Not really.  As the distance between the Moon and the Earth increases, the effect of tidal acceleration decreases so in millions of years the Moon's yearly increase in distance will be less then a human finger nail grows.  Dang it!  Probability again.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Reminder: The Moon Covers the Sun in Total Eclipse Because 'Coincidence'

« on: August 22, 2017, 09:20:37 PM »

... the Sun and Moon appear to be the same size from earth and fit perfectly into each other during the Solar Eclipse. The official scientific reason for this is that it is a coincidence.

Coincidence is an interesting way of putting it.  Probability is the word I would choose.  Look at this...

At present, the Moon gets 3.8 cm further away from Earth every year, and it was much closer to Earth in prehistoric times.
https://www.spaceanswers.com/solar-system/will-the-moon-ever-leave-earths-orbit/

For millions of years the moon has appeared to be larger than the sun and for millions of years into the future the moon will appear to be smaller than the sun.  At some point in the cosmic time line it must appear the same size.  That is not coincidence; that's probability.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Reminder: The Moon Covers the Sun in Total Eclipse Because 'Coincidence'

« on: August 22, 2017, 08:13:43 PM »

If the sun is the same size as the moon, where does it get all it's energy from?
Why hasn't it already burned up all it's fuel?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Are there any FE who think it's NOT the moon causing the eclipse?

« on: August 22, 2017, 02:51:41 PM »

I have a related question about the motion of the moon in the FE model.

I understand that this diagram is a simplification to show how the Sun works and is not intended to show the movement of the moon.


In this wiki article,  https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Phases_of_the_Moon
it is explained that the Sun and moon wobble up and down to produce the moon phasing.

Additionally, the moon can't be on the opposite side from the Sun all the time, because then a solar eclipse could never happen like we saw yesterday.

Is there a more detailed explanation, diagram, or animation that shows how the moon is actually proposed to move in the FE model?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The phases of the moon

« on: August 22, 2017, 02:28:10 PM »

In normal science [moon phasing] is explained with the shadow of the round earth being cast onto the light side of the moon.

Just a quick correction here.  In RE science, the phases of the moon are not an effect of the Earth's shadow.
The moon is half illuminated and half dark at all times as it moves through space (just like the Earth).  As it orbits the Earth we see the half illuminated moon from different angles.  Seeing the lit half of the moon from different angles is what causes the moon phases.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Are there any FE who think it's NOT the moon causing the eclipse?

« on: August 22, 2017, 02:00:41 AM »

Which of course would not be possible with an object only 3000 miles away.

Well now hold on.  The FE community doesn't even know the distance from New York to Paris because water gets in the way of wheeled measurements.
I don't expect them to actually know, with any competence, the distance to the moon.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Are there any FE who think it's NOT the moon causing the eclipse?

« on: August 21, 2017, 09:37:31 PM »

I found these two quotes in Chapter 11 of Earth, Not a Globe

"A solar eclipse is the result simply of the moon passing between the sun and the observer on earth."

As a solar eclipse occurs from the moon passing before the sun, so, from the evidence above collected, it is evident that a lunar eclipse arises from a similar cause...

This chapter is titled CAUSE OF SOLAR AND LUNAR ECLIPSES.  These quotes constitute the only explanation for a solar eclipse.  The entire chapter is actually about lunar eclipses.

I believe the answer to your question is: No to other eclipse causes. FE's believe that the solar eclipse is caused by the moon passing in front of the sun.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Distance Experiment Idea?

« on: July 27, 2017, 10:59:35 PM »

What about it? Flat Earth maps are currently under investigation. If you have some data to contribute I would suggest starting a formal thread to collect such information to share. *

The contribution is that the investigation on the Flat Earth maps can conclusively end thanks to the airline data provided here and accessible online.  Because of this data, all current Flat Earth map proposals are known to be false.   Not slightly off,  not an approximate representation, but fundamentally flawed.  This is a significant contribution to help the members of this forum and society discover and accept the truth about the shape of the Earth.  The data and it's application is not presented to antagonize or mislead, it is presented as factual information that help us accept truth and disregard falsehood.

*emphasis added by myself

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Fake Photo Fest

« on: July 17, 2017, 11:08:50 PM »

This thread has devolved pretty quickly. I am moving it to CN since you people can't seem to have a conversation like normal humans.

junker,  This one was a disappointing decision to me.  You've got a difficult job on here.  Thanks for all you do.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Navigation

« on: July 17, 2017, 09:55:57 PM »

I am a pilot. I just flew from NY to Hong Kong. I looked at the flat earth map. If the earth was flat, navigation like we do it on every flight would be impossible.

Travel time problems (especially in the southern hemisphere/hemiplane) are one of the most easily understood and readily demonstrable proofs that the Flat Earth theory is false.  Crazy huh?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Fake Photo Fest

« on: July 17, 2017, 09:44:02 PM »

... or we can leave that one and move onto the next "fake" space program image or video that someone wants to post.
Kindly explain why you think it's fake.  Something more than, "This is obviously fake" would be great.