[Rushy]

No more murdering babies for you!

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/02/politics/roe-v-wade-supreme-court/index.html

[honk]

Obergefell will be next to be overturned, then Lawrence, then Griswold. We're racing back to the past. The majority of Americans support these rights and don't want to see them rolled back, but I don't expect it'll make a difference in any upcoming elections. Republicans have perfected the art of minority rule, and they're simply better at politics than Democrats.

[juner]

The great replacement can finally make some real progress.

[Lord Dave]

The great replacement can finally make some real progress.

The great Reset!

[Rushy]

The great replacement can finally make some real progress.

We need more Planned Parenthoods in poor and minority neighborhoods. For their health or whatever.

[crutonius]

Yeah.  Clearly the racists haven't thought this one through.

[Lord Dave]

Yeah.  Clearly the racists haven't thought this one through.

Nah.  Just have forced steralizations again.

[Roundy]

Checkmate, atheists

[Lord Dave]

I raise you an Obama speech.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02UKgnjvk2tS5AmDv43aQGRcUdbueZbeYEiveMBL2WXaE6iX8LRmBYMJdVRpjToiQCl&id=100044322825129

[Roundy]

I raise you an Obama speech.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02UKgnjvk2tS5AmDv43aQGRcUdbueZbeYEiveMBL2WXaE6iX8LRmBYMJdVRpjToiQCl&id=100044322825129

Stuff like this kind of glosses over the issue as it's seen by conservatives and might point to why they refuse to see it this way. Obama talks about intensely personal decisions, but to conservatives against it it's nothing less than murder, which no one would argue is something that shouldn't be against the law.

I'm not justifying it, I just think that a real dialogue about this issue needs to weigh both perspectives, otherwise it's just preaching to the respective choir.

[Rama Set]

I raise you an Obama speech.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02UKgnjvk2tS5AmDv43aQGRcUdbueZbeYEiveMBL2WXaE6iX8LRmBYMJdVRpjToiQCl&id=100044322825129

Stuff like this kind of glosses over the issue as it's seen by conservatives and might point to why they refuse to see it this way. Obama talks about intensely personal decisions, but to conservatives against it it's nothing less than murder, which no one would argue is something that shouldn't be against the law.

I'm not justifying it, I just think that a real dialogue about this issue needs to weigh both perspectives, otherwise it's just preaching to the respective choir.

Since when do you care about both perspectives? lol

[Lord Dave]

I raise you an Obama speech.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02UKgnjvk2tS5AmDv43aQGRcUdbueZbeYEiveMBL2WXaE6iX8LRmBYMJdVRpjToiQCl&id=100044322825129

Stuff like this kind of glosses over the issue as it's seen by conservatives and might point to why they refuse to see it this way. Obama talks about intensely personal decisions, but to conservatives against it it's nothing less than murder, which no one would argue is something that shouldn't be against the law.

I'm not justifying it, I just think that a real dialogue about this issue needs to weigh both perspectives, otherwise it's just preaching to the respective choir.

Unfortunately the perspectives don't have equal weight.

One has "its not murder" the other is "its murder even if its a single cell.". The divide is just too great. 

[garygreen]

i don't get why it matters if it's a person or not. no person has the right to force me to donate any or all of my body to sustain their life.

[xasop]

i don't get why it matters if it's a person or not. no person has the right to force me to donate any or all of my body to sustain their life.

Are you seriously suggesting that abortions after 8 months of pregnancy should be allowed?

[AATW]

i don't get why it matters if it's a person or not. no person has the right to force me to donate any or all of my body to sustain their life.

Are you seriously suggesting that abortions after 8 months of pregnancy should be allowed?

If there’s some issue which means the mother will die if the baby is carried to full term then there is an argument to be made.
This is one of those issues which too many people (on both sides) pretend is very simple when it’s actually very complex

[Tom Bishop]

If there’s some issue which means the mother will die if the baby is carried to full term then there is an argument to be made.

So if a mother gets cold feet and wants to abort her baby the day before it is due to be born, that's fine?

[xasop]

This is one of those issues which too many people (on both sides) pretend is very simple when it’s actually very complex

Yes, that was my point.

[AATW]

If there’s some issue which means the mother will die if the baby is carried to full term then there is an argument to be made.

So if a mother gets cold feet and wants to abort her baby the day before it is due to be born, that's fine?

I’m sure one of us knows how you got that from my post, but it isn’t me.

[Rushy]

no person has the right to force me to donate any or all of my body to sustain their life.

This simply isn't true. The government forces you to sustain various individuals you are obligated towards with your body all the time (through the demand of your labor). For example: child support and alimony. There is no difference between being forced to take care of a child inside your body versus outside of it. The idealistic trope of "bodily autonomy" simply doesn't exist outside of a purely anarchical system (and even then, there'd likely be some non-government entity forcing your body to do all sorts of things in that system as well).

[Lord Dave]

no person has the right to force me to donate any or all of my body to sustain their life.

This simply isn't true. The government forces you to sustain various individuals you are obligated towards with your body all the time (through the demand of your labor). For example: child support and alimony. There is no difference between being forced to take care of a child inside your body versus outside of it. The idealistic trope of "bodily autonomy" simply doesn't exist outside of a purely anarchical system (and even then, there'd likely be some non-government entity forcing your body to do all sorts of things in that system as well).

Except adoption is a thing.
So is child services taking away your right to be a parent.

So I disagree: the governemnt doesn't force you to care for your child so much as punishes you for harming it intentionally.