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« Reply #7020 on: November 20, 2020, 05:20:30 AM »
Just The News - In sworn statement, prominent mathematician flags up to 100,000 Pennsylvania ballots

"In a sworn declaration, a respected mathematician says his analysis of election data and phone interviews with Pennsylvania voters raises questions about as many as 100,000 absentee ballots requested in the key battleground state where President Trump and Joe Biden are separated by just about 82,000 votes."

Wow.  If only there were evidence to fuel his speculation.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7021 on: November 20, 2020, 05:24:36 AM »
"Giuliani Deboooonked"

Daytime Fox is very liberal. You posted a liberal show. There are only a few Fox evening shows that are conservative. If the information in that Trump Press Conference is true, it's really bad news for Biden. This is why MSM has been trying to misrepresent the truth and focus on Guliani's hair today.

Trump Press Conference: "We have evidence of different numbers of votes being injected into the system. The same, identical, unique six digit number multiple times in at least two states that we have analyzed so far."

Dems in trouble in Arizona

BREAKING: Arizona Governor Announces He Won’t Accept Election Results Until All Lawsuits Are Settled





Recently fired Kris Kreb was at an election night viewing party with Dominion.

NY Post - You're Fired! Former CISA Director Kris Kreb held watch party with Dominion Voting staff on election night]NY Post - You're Fired! Former CISA Director Kris Kreb held watch party with Dominion Voting staff on election night



Just The News - In sworn statement, prominent mathematician flags up to 100,000 Pennsylvania ballots

"In a sworn declaration, a respected mathematician says his analysis of election data and phone interviews with Pennsylvania voters raises questions about as many as 100,000 absentee ballots requested in the key battleground state where President Trump and Joe Biden are separated by just about 82,000 votes."

Wow.  If only there were evidence to fuel his speculation.

Election fraud analysis by mathematicians is admissible as court evidence.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #7022 on: November 20, 2020, 05:44:28 AM »
"Giuliani Deboooonked"

Daytime Fox is very liberal. You posted a liberal show. There are only a few Fox evening shows that are conservative. If the information in that Trump Press Conference is true, it's really bad news for Biden. This is why MSM has been trying to misrepresent the truth and focus on Guliani's hair today.

Big if!

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Trump Press Conference "We have evidence of different numbers of votes being injected into the system. The same, identical, unique six digit number multiple times in at least two states that we have analyzed so far."

Numbers!  Therefore fraud!

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Dems in trouble in Arizona

BREAKING: Arizona Governor Announces He Won’t Accept Election Results Until All Lawsuits Are Settled




The only active lawsuit was declared moot by Trump's campaign, so this is the governor just sounding off for political effect.

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Recently fired Kris Kreb was at an election night viewing party with Dominion.

You're Fired! Former CISA Director Kris Kreb held watch party with Dominion Voting staff on election night - https://nypost.com/2020/11/17/trump-fires-cyber-head-chris-krebs-for-dismissing-voter-fraud-claims/




You think that is bad?  Trump called the Wayne County canvassers and the next day they tried to rescind their vote!


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Election fraud analysis by mathematicians is admissible as court evidence.

Yes, it should tell you where to look for fraud.  Unfortunately, as Trump's own lawyers have admitted in court time and again, they have no evidence of fraud.  A mathematician's analysis will never be the sole instrument of disenfranchisement of voters.  The public interest is too great.

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« Reply #7023 on: November 20, 2020, 06:00:53 AM »
The only active lawsuit was declared moot by Trump's campaign, so this is the governor just sounding off for political effect.

Not according to that article linked.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/arizona-governor-wont-accept-election-results-until-all-lawsuits-are-settled_3585098.html?v=ul

“There are legal claims that are being challenged in court, and everybody on the ballot has certain access rights and remedies, and if they want to push that, they are able. Once those are adjudicated and the process plays out, I will accept the results of the election,” the Republican governor said at a news conference on Nov. 18.

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Yes, it should tell you where to look for fraud.  Unfortunately, as Trump's own lawyers have admitted in court time and again, they have no evidence of fraud.  A mathematician's analysis will never be the sole instrument of disenfranchisement of voters.  The public interest is too great.

Trump's team does say that they are claiming fraud in court. Watch today's earlier press conference for information on what they are alleging. The mathematician is just further evidence on a growing mountain of evidence for fraud.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7024 on: November 20, 2020, 06:08:32 AM »
The only active lawsuit was declared moot by Trump's campaign, so this is the governor just sounding off for political effect.

Not according to that article linked.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/arizona-governor-wont-accept-election-results-until-all-lawsuits-are-settled_3585098.html?v=ul

“There are legal claims that are being challenged in court, and everybody on the ballot has certain access rights and remedies, and if they want to push that, they are able. Once those are adjudicated and the process plays out, I will accept the results of the election,” the Republican governor said at a news conference on Nov. 18.

Go find the specific suit then, its a matter of public record.  I'll wait.

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Trump's team does say that they are claiming fraud in court. Watch today's earlier press conference for information on what they are alleging. The mathematician is just further evidence on a growing mountain of evidence for fraud.

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admitted in court

Read the words I use.  Respond to that.  Giuliani the last time he was in court specifically said his suit was not a fraud suit, and their filing was amended to remove all references to fraud.  They say one thing in front of the press, but time and again, when disbarring, contempt of court and perjury are real risks, they provide no evidence of fraud or have evidence that doesn't make it out of the block.  There is a reason their suits are 1-32 whether it was a Democrat appointed judge, or a Republican one.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7025 on: November 20, 2020, 06:31:51 AM »
Tucker Carlson confirming that Sydney Powell refused to give him any evidence of what she was saying and that his contacts in the campaign haven't seen any evidence either:



She went so far as to demand Tucker stops contacting her.

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« Reply #7026 on: November 20, 2020, 06:49:13 AM »
Nope, Carlson said that he's not dismissing it. He said that he asked for the court evidence and she didn't give it to him.

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what powell was describing
would amount to the single
greatest crime in american history
millions of votes stolen in a day
democracy destroyed the end of our
centuries-old system of self-government
not a small thing
now to be perfectly clear we did not
dismiss any of it
we don't dismiss anything anymore
particularly when it's related to
technology

Court evidence is for the judges, not the media. They were reading some of the affidavits in the press conference. If Dems knew what the whistleblowers were going to say they would have time to harass the stated or likely people making the claims or manufacture contradictory evidence.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #7027 on: November 20, 2020, 06:50:24 AM »
And Biden’s win confirmed by the recount

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55006188
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7028 on: November 20, 2020, 06:52:04 AM »
Nope. Tucker said that he's not dismissing it, he said that he asked for the court evidence and she didn't give it to him.

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what powell was describing
would amount to the single
greatest crime in american history
millions of votes stolen in a day
democracy destroyed the end of our
centuries-old system of self-government
not a small thing
now to be perfectly clear we did not
dismiss any of it
we don't dismiss anything anymore
particularly when it's related to
technology

Evidence is for the judges, not the media. They were reading some of the affidavits in the press conference. If Dems knew what the whistleblowers were going to say they would have time to harass the stated or likely people making the claims or manufacture contradictory evidence.

It's really weird that you are disagreeing with something I didn't say.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7029 on: November 20, 2020, 06:59:28 AM »
Court evidence is for the judges, not the media.
They’ve been in front of judges 25 times.
With all this evidence.
And judges just keep laughing them out of court, or openly asking what they’re doing there.
Weird, isn’t it?
The one case they did win was nothing to do with fraud and didn’t change the result.
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7030 on: November 20, 2020, 07:19:36 AM »
And Biden’s win confirmed by the recount

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55006188

Trump Team says that's it's false that it has been officially decided.



Washington Examiner says Trump still has an option for another recount, even after its certified - https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/georgia-recount-results-biden-still-ahead-trump-further-check

Linn Wood also has an suit to stop the certification, which is going through the court system, which is being appealed to the 11th Circuit and then can go to the SCOTUS for review.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #7031 on: November 20, 2020, 07:29:55 AM »
Hey guys.
Remember how pissy republicans got when Hillary had a recount in Wisconson?


Good times.
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7032 on: November 20, 2020, 08:09:59 AM »
And Biden’s win confirmed by the recount

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55006188

Trump Team says that's it's false that it has been officially decided.
Trump’s team say a lot of things in public.
But when they get into court, are under oath and are dealing in facts then time after time the judges are telling them to stop wasting the court’s time.
Weird, isn’t it? What with all this evidence that they definitely have.
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7033 on: November 20, 2020, 10:22:05 AM »
And Biden’s win confirmed by the recount

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55006188

Trump Team says that's it's false that it has been officially decided.
Trump’s team say a lot of things in public.
But when they get into court, are under oath and are dealing in facts then time after time the judges are telling them to stop wasting the court’s time.
Weird, isn’t it? What with all this evidence that they definitely have.

It's not weird that cases are working themselves through the state court systems, who are reluctant to police themselves or admit wrongdoing, and are being appealed to higher courts, like it was expected to happen.

Is the lowest tier of judge going to overturn a state election? Not happening. Actions by the lower courts would just get appealed by the other side to the higher courts regardless.

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« Reply #7034 on: November 20, 2020, 10:23:20 AM »
Why was that expected when they have so much evidence of widespread fraud? :)
If the evidence is that good they wouldn't have to appeal or escalate any cases would they?
They'd just be winning the cases.

But time after time the cases are being thrown out, not because states aren't "policing themselves". What does that even mean in the context of a judge making a decision? The judges aren't being asked to overturn state election. They're being asked to toss out mostly trivial numbers of votes for spurious reasons. The judges are looking for evidence of why they should do that and none is being presented.

The straws you are clutching at are getting increasingly small.
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

Re: Trump
« Reply #7035 on: November 20, 2020, 10:25:43 AM »
And Biden’s win confirmed by the recount

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55006188

Trump Team says that's it's false that it has been officially decided.
Trump’s team say a lot of things in public.
But when they get into court, are under oath and are dealing in facts then time after time the judges are telling them to stop wasting the court’s time.
Weird, isn’t it? What with all this evidence that they definitely have.

It's not weird that cases are working themselves through the states, who are reluctant to police themselves or admit wrongdoing, and are being appealed to higher courts, like it was expected to happen.

Is the lowest tier of judge going to overturn a state election? Not happening.

Well if the Trump lawyers actually had evidence to present then there is no reason the judge couldn't act on it. The judge will hardly say 'I'm just a low tier judge so I have to deny all your claims and not look at your evidence - take it to a higher court mmmkay?'

The cases are getting thrown out because not only is there zero evidence to back up their claims, but there are actual answers when you care to fact check that completely throw out their claims.

Trump lost. QAnon is rubbish. Accept reality. Trump is finished and his legacy will not be looked at kindly by historians. Deserved

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7036 on: November 20, 2020, 10:33:25 AM »
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They're being asked to toss out mostly trivial numbers of votes for spurious reasons.

The cases you are referring to were from lawyers trying to get a precedent set that the states were violating election laws. They aren't going after 600 votes for spurious reasons. It would be a gotcha and allow them to point out that the state is complicit.

Those aren't the main fraud cases, and is rather daft to point out as a "Trump loss". It's more like they were written up and filed because they could, with little risk and a lot of gain.

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« Reply #7037 on: November 20, 2020, 10:33:59 AM »
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They're being asked to toss out mostly trivial numbers of votes for spurious reasons.

The cases you are referring to were from lawyers trying to get a precedent set that the states were violating election laws. They aren't going after 600 votes for spurious reasons. It would be a gotcha and allow them to point out that the state is complicit.

Those aren't the main fraud cases, and is rather daft to point out as a "Trump loss".

They have tried to asset the machines flipped thousands of trump votes to Biden votes. They've tried to assert that vans pulled up in the middle of the night to dump tens of thosuands of Biden only ballots after the election date. They have tried to assert that observers were barred from doing their jobs. Everything they assert is not only been made without any evidence or reasoning of how they came to that conclusion but has found to be total BS

Trump lost. Fair and square. And it's time he took his, and his best bud Putins advice



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Re: Trump
« Reply #7038 on: November 20, 2020, 10:35:04 AM »
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They're being asked to toss out mostly trivial numbers of votes for spurious reasons.

The cases you are referring to were from lawyers trying to get a precedent set that the states were violating election laws. They aren't going after 600 votes for spurious reasons. It would be a gotcha and allow them to point out that the state is complicit.

Those aren't the main fraud cases, and is rather daft to point out as a "Trump loss". It's more like they were written up and filed because they could, with little risk and a lot of gain.
I see. So they're just gearing up for the big one, are they?
I'm a bit confused at where the gain is, they're losing case after case.
But I look forward to the main fraud case, and to what your excuses will be when that all gets laughed out of court too.
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

Re: Trump
« Reply #7039 on: November 20, 2020, 10:46:12 AM »
they're losing case after case.

And about 5 lawyers quit. Shows what they really think of Trumps BS 'evidence'. If Trump was really on a winner you'd think they'd stay