The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Community => Topic started by: pj1 on July 23, 2018, 11:38:59 AM
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Hi there,
Question for RE-ers... I'm curious about what motivates you to contribute here?
Personally, before joining this forum I would have dismissed FET as complete nonsense without any kind of consideration, but I find it fascinating the extent to which arguments are put forward and rebutted by people on either side.
Now I'm addicted to this forum just for the debate! I'm learning a lot.
How about you?
Pj1
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For me, having become aware that this was a thing, it was initially curiosity about how anyone could possibly believe this sort of thing. Found this place, followed some of the threads with interest/exasperation. In the end I signed up. I think there's a principle that things like this should not be left unchallenged.
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I think there's a principle that things like this should not be left unchallenged.
This.
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Many reasons. I am not here to convert anyone (and don't believe it's possible, for that matter).
My academic specialism (https://logicmuseum.academia.edu/EdwardBuckner) is in the history of logic and history of scientific method, and one of the big problems (the demarcation problem) is whether we can sufficiently distinguish between science and pseudoscience. (I think we can, by the way, but that’s a separate subject). I also have an interest in the psychology of denial.
Naturally I have an interest in education, and here I think the education system has badly failed us, in the way it teaches facts, not method. Science has become so sophisticated and difficult that we have lost touch with the methods, often very simple, that our distant ancestors used to discover the universe.
It’s also been fun. I knew comparatively little about astronomy and geodesy when I started this, now I know a lot more. There is a lot of history still to be written.
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... I have an interest in education, and here I think the education system has badly failed us, in the way it teaches facts, not method.
Worldwide, or in your locale?
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... I have an interest in education, and here I think the education system has badly failed us, in the way it teaches facts, not method.
Worldwide, or in your locale?
Particularly the U.S.
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I think there's a principle that things like this should not be left unchallenged.
This.
Big fan of the way this is summarised. Presumably FEers would say the same thing, and that's why we're all here ;)
I also have an interest in the psychology of denial.
Likewise. I've not come across the demarcation problem. I'll have a read.
Thanks!
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For me, having become aware that this was a thing, it was initially curiosity about how anyone could possibly believe this sort of thing. Found this place, followed some of the threads with interest/exasperation. In the end I signed up. I think there's a principle that things like this should not be left unchallenged.
Yes - this. Well put sir.
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I'm here for a serious discussion to challenge the flat earth myth.
As an evidence-based scientist, many might disagree with me.
I totally get this from panicp. With 14 posts I can see that this is true. Keep up the good work panicp!
For me, having become aware that this was a thing, it was initially curiosity about how anyone could possibly believe this sort of thing. Found this place, followed some of the threads with interest/exasperation. In the end I signed up. I think there's a principle that things like this should not be left unchallenged.
Really? I don't believe it. 1,145 posts! How is it possible you're still here with an answer like this? This answer is good for about 80 posts. 1,145 posts? My friend, you've seen everything there is to see here 10 times over. Why are you still here?
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Why are you still here?
That is a good question. To be honest I am getting pretty bored of this place. There are only a certain number of times you can see the same threads go round and round. While I still see threads that I feel like I want to add to then I'll keep posting, when I don't then I won't. Right now we're not quite at that stage but there are fewer threads of interest than there used to be. Another factor is the realisation that most of the FE posters don't actually believe in a FE. Interacting with someone who is ignorant or misguided can be exasperating, but when you realise those people are actually just trolls it makes it a bit pointless. I never really understand the whole "debate club" idea, I find it less interesting when I see people posting things I know they don't believe.
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Why are you still here?
That is a good question. To be honest I am getting pretty bored of this place. There are only a certain number of times you can see the same threads go round and round. While I still see threads that I feel like I want to add to then I'll keep posting, when I don't then I won't. Right now we're not quite at that stage but there are fewer threads of interest than there used to be. Another factor is the realisation that most of the FE posters don't actually believe in a FE. Interacting with someone who is ignorant or misguided can be exasperating, but when you realise those people are actually just trolls it makes it a bit pointless. I never really understand the whole "debate club" idea, I find it less interesting when I see people posting things I know they don't believe.
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The clue is in the name. The Flat Earth Society. Come for the flat earth, stay for the society. Its not our fault you have failed to make friends within the community. You're a bit of an oddball. Of course you'll have seen all the topics after a while. How do you think we feel when someone makes a thread wanting to discuss maps again ... for the 5000th time. But when you arrived, we did it all again and let you discuss that. Because we're nice.
Let's suppose you ran a restaurant ... We'll call it 'The Restaurant At The Edge of The World'. And you would give people a complimentary coffee when they first arrive. Now you'd hope they'd buy some food, but they might not, and that's ok. There was no obligation. But what if someone came by several times a day, every day, and had drunk 1149 cups of coffee? And you know they are never going to order food. Do you stop giving a flying th*rk when they order another coffee and your waiters aren't so quick to serve them? Do you care so much when they complain about the taste of your coffee or that they are getting bored of your coffee? Maybe its time you found another restaurant or ordered some bloody food at this one! >o<
In our restaurant, you have sat down every day and occupied a table. And you order a coffee, and Tom Bishop brings you one. And you order another, and I bring that over, and another one and maybe Tom brings that over. You often complain about the quality of that free coffee. Sometimes you push a vase off the table or you throw cutlery on the floor because you're a th*rkhole, and Pete or Junker give you a warning for that. Occasionally they have to ask you to leave the restaurant because you are upsetting the other customers and you get barred for a few weeks. But we keep bringing you coffee when you return.
We have an extensive menu. Arts & Entertainment, Tech & Info, Philosophy, Religion & Society, Science & Alternative Science + we also have a dessert menu with a Lounge, Angry Rantings and Complete Nonsense. But you keep ordering coffee. And the thing about our restaurant is none of the staff get paid. We kind of hope some of our customers will muck in and take a coffee to the new guy sat at a table to help out as we are rushed off our feet. You know where the pot is by now. Which is why we foster a debate club.
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Its not our fault you have failed to make friends within the community.
No, it isn't. But that's not why I signed up here.
I have friends in real life and, yes, I have some people who are more "virtual" friends, I didn't come here looking to make any more.
My first response to this thread explained why I came here.
How do you think we feel when someone makes a thread wanting to discuss maps again ... for the 5000th time. But when you arrived, we did it all again and let you discuss that. Because we're nice.
That IS nice, but maybe if your FAQ and Wiki were better you wouldn't keep getting the same threads. You keep getting the same questions because you don't have any answers. When I came here I expected you guys to have a reasonably coherent FE model or at least working towards one. But you don't and you're not. The reason for the first of those of course is that one isn't possible and the reason for the second is that none of you believe in a FE.
You have other things on the menu in the same way Chinese Restaurants do [he says, changing your analogy somewhat]. Yes, they might have a few English dishes on the menu for fussy people but I didn't come into what I thought was an authentic Chinese restaurant for chips, I want some kung pao chicken. And now I find that you guys don't know how to cook kung pao chicken and, worse, you're not even Chinese. Forgive me for being a bit disappointed. And no, I'm not going to join in and start pretending I'm Chinese and dishing out the crappy excuse for kung pao which I know isn't any good.
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That IS nice, but maybe if your FAQ and Wiki were better
There are only a couple of people who occasionally add to the Wiki. There is thread about the Wiki in the projects forum. Why not volunteer to do something about it rather than complain?
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Its not our fault you have failed to make friends within the community.
No, it isn't. But that's not why I signed up here.
Well then you have missed the point of this place. It is an online community. First and foremost. And whether we are telling people the earth is flat, hawking T-shirts or collecting your data to sell to scammers, all of that is secondary to the business of having an online community. No matter how confused you may be about our motives, who believes what and how good our explanations are ... you must have spotted that there are many people here who post all the time, share their interests, tease each other, joke with each other and generally like interacting with each other on this site. So if you enjoy our company, you should make an effort to be friendly and if you don't like anyone ... go to reddit, go to 4chan, go to landoverbaptist, go to david ike's forums .... there are millions of websites, you don't have to keep posting on this one.
I have friends in real life and, yes, I have some people who are more "virtual" friends, I didn't come here looking to make any more.
You came to an online community with no intention of ever becoming a part of that community. And over 1000 posts later you still don't want to be part of that community? Why are you still here? If you think nothing of the people here, what do you care what they think and why are you wasting your time correcting them?
My first response to this thread explained why I came here.
You are here because someone is wrong on the internet. Well you could just follow Donald Trump on Twitter for that. We don't have a monopoly on saying things you disagree with.
How do you think we feel when someone makes a thread wanting to discuss maps again ... for the 5000th time. But when you arrived, we did it all again and let you discuss that. Because we're nice.
That IS nice, but maybe if your FAQ and Wiki were better you wouldn't keep getting the same threads.
It would be too lengthy. People already tl;dr our wiki. I'll bet you only read it after you'd been here a while and asked all the beginner questions first. We can't make the wiki too advanced else we'd create a barrier to entry.
You keep getting the same questions because you don't have any answers. When I came here I expected you guys to have a reasonably coherent FE model or at least working towards one. But you don't and you're not. The reason for the first of those of course is that one isn't possible and the reason for the second is that none of you believe in a FE.
So you are disappointed that we can't do something you deem impossible. Are you a moron or something? It is not possible to do something that is impossible. Or did you think we'd make the impossible possible, possibly exceeding your impossibly high standards?
You have other things on the menu in the same way Chinese Restaurants do [he says, changing your analogy somewhat]. Yes, they might have a few English dishes on the menu for fussy people but I didn't come into what I thought was an authentic Chinese restaurant for chips, I want some kung pao chicken. And now I find that you guys don't know how to cook kung pao chicken and, worse, you're not even Chinese. Forgive me for being a bit disappointed. And no, I'm not going to join in and start pretending I'm Chinese and dishing out the crappy excuse for kung pao which I know isn't any good.
Then stop drinking our Th*rking coffee! >o<
Also Pete Svarrior is Chinese.
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That IS nice, but maybe if your FAQ and Wiki were better
There are only a couple of people who occasionally add to the Wiki. There is thread about the Wiki in the projects forum. Why not volunteer to do something about it rather than complain?
I'm not a FE person so I don't see how I could write for the Wiki but I have commented on Wiki pages here and there.
On several occasions I have given my opinion on how I think the Wiki could be made better and been ignored or shouted down - on one occasion Pete gave me a warning for doing so because he felt I was repeating the same thing twice (broadly true but the warning was for "spamming", that isn't what spamming is, it was another example of a RE person being warned for something because a FE person didn't like what was being said, no FE person would have been warned for what I said).
While I'm here, the problem I see with the Wiki is that it's a bit of a love letter to Rowbotham, it's not clear enough that there are competing FE ideas. I see some effort being made to address that. But if you're not willing to evolve your ideas or do experiments to test them then you're going to get the same threads over and over again as new people sign up and find the same faults in your ideas.
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Well then you have missed the point of this place.
The "About" on the home page of this place says:
This is the home of the world-famous Flat Earth Society, a place for free thinkers and the intellectual exchange of ideas. This website hosts information and serves as an archive for Flat Earth Theory. It also offers an opportunity to discuss this with the Flat Earth community on our forums.
You can see how a stupid person might think that this place is for discussing FE theory with people who believe in it. So I don't think I have missed the point of this place. Like any online community, virtual and even real life friendships can develop. I invited several people to my wedding who I first knew from another online community. So that can be a nice side-effect of joining a community like this, but it's not what I'm here for and it's not the primary point of this place.
I don't need to justify why I post here any more than you do. While I keep seeing things I want to respond to I'll keep posting. I suspect I'm doing that less than I used to for the reasons I've outlined. And who says I don't give my opinions on other things and challenge other things I think are wrong? The difference here is this is more than someone being wrong on the internet. I think Trump is wrong about things, I think Brexiters are wrong about things BUT these are often complicated issues where there is no definitive right or wrong. The shape of the earth is a bit more clear cut and I came here because it's important that plainly wrong ideas are challenged.
I deem a flat earth model impossible, If you are really a FE believer then you clearly don't so what I'm disappointed about is there is so little effort to make a coherent model which makes any sense at all. I was expecting a FE model which vaguely hung together and which I could see some merit in even if I disagreed with it.
The caveat to all this, and this is something which I am starting to suspect more strongly, is that none of you actually believe in FE and this place IS just for the lolz in which case yes, I have missed the point of this whole place.
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You keep getting the same questions because you don't have any answers. When I came here I expected you guys to have a reasonably coherent FE model or at least working towards one. But you don't and you're not. The reason for the first of those of course is that one isn't possible and the reason for the second is that none of you believe in a FE.
So you are disappointed that we can't do something you deem impossible. Are you a moron or something? It is not possible to do something that is impossible. Or did you think we'd make the impossible possible, possibly exceeding your impossibly high standards?
Perhaps he meant that when he joined he expected a reasonably coherent FE model, thinking that might be possible. Now he realises it is impossible.
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I came here to 'Research the Flat Earth' before discussing it.
One thing i hate is people talking about stuff they know nothing about, it bothers me alot, and i don't want to be that type of person.
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Hi there,
Question for RE-ers... I'm curious about what motivates you to contribute here?
Personally, before joining this forum I would have dismissed FET as complete nonsense without any kind of consideration, but I find it fascinating the extent to which arguments are put forward and rebutted by people on either side.
Now I'm addicted to this forum just for the debate! I'm learning a lot.
How about you?
Pj1
I'm here because I mistakenly thought that presenting simple evidence and facts to flat earthers would enable them to move beyond this silly belief.
It sounds ridiculous, I know, to think such a thing.
I'm mostly over that now, but not fully.
Also because, in my more bored or disappointing moments, I had a habit of making myself feel temporarily better by finding people making low intelligence arguments and engaging with them.
I'm trying to stop that too.
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That IS nice, but maybe if your FAQ and Wiki were better
There are only a couple of people who occasionally add to the Wiki. There is thread about the Wiki in the projects forum. Why not volunteer to do something about it rather than complain?
Tom, one of the chief complaints heard from everyone that has been here a while is that people come along and ask the same questions over and over and that is absolutely true. It would be great if when people are told to read the WIKI and FAQ that the literal "FAQs" where covered. My guess is there are a few people that would spend some time coming up with the list of questions. It seems to me that would be a huge benefit to your cause. Many on the RE side point noobs to them when they know a topic is covered.
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Hi there,
Question for RE-ers... I'm curious about what motivates you to contribute here?
Personally, before joining this forum I would have dismissed FET as complete nonsense without any kind of consideration, but I find it fascinating the extent to which arguments are put forward and rebutted by people on either side.
Now I'm addicted to this forum just for the debate! I'm learning a lot.
How about you?
Pj1
I have a buddy in Montana (the home of weird) who has a friend that is a FEer. I was shocked, dismayed and appalled, that can't be possible, can it? Well, a quick google later and here I am. To me, it's as a thought exercise. It's interesting to rethink about stuff that you take for granted. I also found out there are some very interesting people here. Deep thinkers no matter what you think about what they think (I think?). Also very entertaining.
The same buddy got involved in a pyramid scheme maybe 10 years ago and I googled it and found a site full of people arguing over Amway and other multi-level marketing schemes, devil or angel kind of stuff. Why I bothered I have no idea but to this day I still exchange emails with 3 of those guys. One in Sweden, one in the UK and one in California.
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One day someone came to me and said, "Dude, there are still people who believe the earth is flat!" I said, "No way, that's ridiculous!" Only illiterate fools would believe the earth is flat. He said, "Oh no! They have theories and explanations for all of it! They are actually smart, thoughtful people."
So, I started researching it to find out how it is possible someone could actually believe the earth is flat, and I stumbled onto this site. I've been learning about all kinds of ideas that I've never discussed before, so that has been really great. I am a bit addicted to this site for the time being, but I'm sure it will fizz out after some time. I am starting to notice some disturbing trends in these forums. I would like to see more topics started by FEers, so we can all hopefully have some new/fresh topics to discuss.
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One day someone came to me and said, "Dude, there are still people who believe the earth is flat!" I said, "No way, that's ridiculous!" Only illiterate fools would believe the earth is flat. He said, "Oh no! They have theories and explanations for all of it! They are actually smart, thoughtful people."
So, I started researching it to find out how it is possible someone could actually believe the earth is flat, and I stumbled onto this site. I've been learning about all kinds of ideas that I've never discussed before, so that has been really great. I am a bit addicted to this site for the time being, but I'm sure it will fizz out after some time. I am starting to notice some disturbing trends in these forums. I would like to see more topics started by FEers, so we can all hopefully have some new/fresh topics to discuss.
The disturbing trends of the abundance of demonic forces that post all day and night? FE'ers aren't going to waste our time posting to interact with these entities. We just giggle and know the end score, dungeons and dragons ! Feeling Hot Hot Hot
It's flat, I know it and will help you realize it. Read Genesis for a start.
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The Earth being a globe is a concept I have taken for granted my entire life. It's not something I've ever thought to question.
I came across a tv morning chat show interview on YouTube one day, with three flat Earthers, and realizing they weren't joking or punking the show's hosts, thought I might look into this a little bit.
I've since been questioning both the flat Earth concept and the spherical Earth concept. Without talking about anything I've already read or watched, at some point I'll pass on some simple observations I've made with my own eyes.
I plan on being on this forum, one or two weeks tops.
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Hi there,
Question for RE-ers... I'm curious about what motivates you to contribute here?
Personally, before joining this forum I would have dismissed FET as complete nonsense without any kind of consideration, but I find it fascinating the extent to which arguments are put forward and rebutted by people on either side.
Now I'm addicted to this forum just for the debate! I'm learning a lot.
How about you?
Pj1
I'm just here to talk with flat earthers because I'm interested to hear your opinions and I just have 1 request for every FE-er here: Please don't force your opinions on me, I just want to have friendly, civil conversations where we exchange our opinions! Not a debate though!
PS: My name isn't actually Yuki, I just like that name.
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I've been following the flat earth movement for a couple of years and have been lurking here for a while. At first, it was curiosity. I wondered where the ideology came from (not historically as in Robotham but the recent resurgence.)
Was there some recent astronomical discovery that could be interpreted as supporting FET?
Was this the work of Russian troll farms spreading disinformation? After all, it is in Russia's best interest that other nations are so technologically backwards that they are bamboozled by simple things like gravity or the size of the Australian continent.
The more I read, the more fascinating I found it to be. Also, it's very topical now as so many Americans decide to believe 'alternative facts' that have no basis in reality but are so appealing that they will disregard reality in favor of whatever they choose to believe.
I am what the FET community labels 'an evil shill.' That is that I have experienced enough travel and technology that I have first hand knowledge of all the things the FET people claim are fake. I've worked with NASA and NOAA, the Evil Empire of FET thought. Their only answer to people like me is to call me a liar. If people are going to talk trash about me, I want to read about it.
They can call me all the names they want. I'm here to read about Moonshrimp, domes and the ice wall. Let's not get started on those penguins!
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I'm here to read about Moonshrimp, domes and the ice wall. Let's not get started on those penguins!
You must have mistaken us for other similarly-named communities. Ones which are not particularly sincere or serious.
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I'm here to read about Moonshrimp, domes and the ice wall. Let's not get started on those penguins!
You must have mistaken us for other similarly-named communities. Ones which are not particularly sincere or serious.
Yeah... it is true that this forum doesn't seem as freaky as 'the other forum.' I'll be doing a profile there soon. It took me a while to understand who's just trolling and who really believes. It turns out there are some people on the edge of the FET community that are full-on Domed Matrix Moonshrimpers. I think the extreme edges of anything are often the most interesting.
Still, I want to thank the tfes for allowing such acid dissidence in their home. I've seen other FET communities that moderate out any non-FET opinions. TFES shows integrity to let your words stand on their own openly for critique. The FET sites and Youtubers that don't allow free discussion are guilty of the very censorship they accuse NASA of. It is the height of hypocrisy.
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Hi there,
Question for RE-ers... I'm curious about what motivates you to contribute here?
Personally, before joining this forum I would have dismissed FET as complete nonsense without any kind of consideration, but I find it fascinating the extent to which arguments are put forward and rebutted by people on either side.
Now I'm addicted to this forum just for the debate! I'm learning a lot.
How about you?
Pj1
I was in the other forum, but it was full of weirdos who believed in magic and claimed to be time-travellers.
I came to this forum in the hopes of a real intellectual challenge. So far I have encountered:
* The attitude "if my imagination says one thing and my observation says another thing, then my observation must be wrong."
* People who don't know physics trying to argue physics.
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Hi there,
Question for RE-ers... I'm curious about what motivates you to contribute here?
Personally, before joining this forum I would have dismissed FET as complete nonsense without any kind of consideration, but I find it fascinating the extent to which arguments are put forward and rebutted by people on either side.
Now I'm addicted to this forum just for the debate! I'm learning a lot.
How about you?
Pj1
I was in the other forum, but it was full of weirdos who believed in magic and claimed to be time-travellers.
I came to this forum in the hopes of a real intellectual challenge. So far I have encountered:
* The attitude "if my imagination says one thing and my observation says another thing, then my observation must be wrong."
* People who don't know physics trying to argue physics.
If you want to complain about FE, there is a forum for that. Do not do it in the upper fora. Warned.
Please read the rules if you plan to continue posting in the upper fora.
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I'm a Christian round earther. Born and raised. This is more of an educational pursuit. Like most I was taught the world was round. I didn't know it for myself, I just accepted it. Same as my faith.
I started my journey by not reading the bible... but studying the bible. Blind faith in anything is poor choice.
I saw a video online about flat earth. Like most my first reaction was "serious?"
My second reaction "What proof do I have to say otherwise?"
Ok, but I have pictures! But, for the sake of learning let's assume the pictures are fake.
Now, what proof do I have? Hence I started learning. I've always enjoyed science, but never really spent the time to push deeper. Now I'm reading about angular momentum, astrophysics, biology (human eye, perception, physcology), etc...
I dont want to come off like I'm here to debate. I'm here to see the other side. If I ask a question, it's because I want to understand your point of view.
If you have an understanding of something. But your observation says otherwise... maybe its your understanding that's wrong. So, push forward. Ask questions, keep an open mind and keep learning
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I'm a Christian round earther. Born and raised. This is more of an educational pursuit. Like most I was taught the world was round. I didn't know it for myself, I just accepted it. Same as my faith.
I started my journey by not reading the bible... but studying the bible. Blind faith in anything is poor choice.
I saw a video online about flat earth. Like most my first reaction was "serious?"
My second reaction "What proof do I have to say otherwise?"
Ok, but I have pictures! But, for the sake of learning let's assume the pictures are fake.
Now, what proof do I have? Hence I started learning. I've always enjoyed science, but never really spent the time to push deeper. Now I'm reading about angular momentum, astrophysics, biology (human eye, perception, physcology), etc...
I dont want to come off like I'm here to debate. I'm here to see the other side. If I ask a question, it's because I want to understand your point of view.
If you have an understanding of something. But your observation says otherwise... maybe its your understanding that's wrong. So, push forward. Ask questions, keep an open mind and keep learning
You sound like me when I first heard of the "theory". My journey started with "you can't be serious, I have better things to do than to listen to this nonsense" to "YouTube keeps putting flat earth videos in my recommended feed. Fine, I'll see what this is all about and watch a couple of videos" to "none of this makes any sense. Either the videos are either too long or the short videos hardly have any definitive evidence." To "I'm giving the theory the benefit of the doubt. Maybe I can find more info on this." To eventually now I just look for a funny post to comment on as I pretty much concluded that the round is indeed round.
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I came as I find the debate enlightening.
I know the earth is round, but am enraptured by how difficult it is to prove this to someone who relies upon personal perspective, religious belief or something I cannot recall (apologies).
I aim to try and think of the stupid truths that are not covered by the wiki and are overlooked by the intelligentsia.
I may also help out with the wiki, if permitted. It has poor English and that makes me worry that its message is being undermined.
TL;DR Healthy skepticism of something I know to be true
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It should be possible for anyone to do a simple experiment with a cheap laser pointer, table, and a basketball. You could simulate what happens when the sun shines on a flat surface(table) and a spherical surface (basketball). Play around with these items a bit and then compare what you see with what you actually experience while on the planet we call earth. There are some other things that can be seen, but those things are not usually experienced by most people and takes and engineering background to understand. I've seen many things that would actually be better if the earth were flat, but the engineering of those expensive things were all done with the global earth paradigm in mind. If the earth were actually flat many business men have sure spent countless millions on equipment they don't need. A really good flat earth engineer could make a fortune if he could show how his inventions using the simplified technology could save those millions.
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It should be possible for anyone to do a simple experiment with a cheap laser pointer, table, and a basketball. You could simulate what happens when the sun shines on a flat surface(table) and a spherical surface (basketball). Play around with these items a bit and then compare what you see with what you actually experience while on the planet we call earth. There are some other things that can be seen, but those things are not usually experienced by most people and takes and engineering background to understand. I've seen many things that would actually be better if the earth were flat, but the engineering of those expensive things were all done with the global earth paradigm in mind. If the earth were actually flat many business men have sure spent countless millions on equipment they don't need. A really good flat earth engineer could make a fortune if he could show how his inventions using the simplified technology could save those millions.
Your experiment is bogus, it's proven the firmament projects its own light. No flashlight BS.
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My simple experiment also would show why the local business men spent millions more than necessary to build tall radio and TV towers to enhance coverage area. Why not just save a bunch, build a smaller tower and get the same coverage using the flat earth model? Even better, use a much smaller transmitter and antenna system, and bounce the signals off the firmament. Wait, In the last 50 years none of them have been able to get a system that would work like that. They all think that the earth is a sphere and the higher that they can make their tower (spending millions) the larger their service area will be. Every measurement I ever made with a field strength meter shows that. Please help me figure out how to use a much smaller antenna, use a lower power transmitter, and just bounce the signals off the firmament to all the TVs in the local area. Additionally, you would be helping the 'global warming' cause because the TV transmitters wouldn't have to use nearly as much electricity.
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Curiosity is a strong motivator.
Fascination and amazement is sticky.
Learning new things files the empty spots.
Questions lead to research.
Confirmation is gratifying.
Hope that something will change somebody's mind, or my own, keeps me coming back.
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To kill this nonsense once and for all before we lose an entire generation of scientists, engineers and geologists.
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To kill this nonsense once and for all before we lose an entire generation of scientists, engineers and geologists.
I highly suggest you familiarize yourself with the rules if you plan on posting in the upper fora. Not going to give another warning just yet since you already received one for similar behavior.
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To kill this nonsense once and for all before we lose an entire generation of scientists, engineers and geologists.
Not sure how to respond to this comment? I see you got a warning. But here's what's wrong with your idea, or goal. But before I say I'll add a very important, possibly the most important category of science you missed, 'astrology or astrophysics.
Problem #1 We wont lose any category of science to FET because the science community does NOT recognize or acknowledge any FE theory or hypothesis.
#2 FET has some very interesting and methodical experiments and calculations that work for a FE model.
Curiosity and the need to know the truth along with simple fun of debunking things and learning from what you find through research that everybody brings to the table here is beneficiary to all.
#3 You will never kill conspiracy theories. We need them because they not only are a great source of learning but a good percentage of conspiracy theories end up being true and without them being brought to light we'd have never know of them.
Problem with FET, though, just like many other conspiracy theories, once proven nothing will ever become of it and nothing will change. .
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I came across this site in my quest for learning more about quantum mechanics. That lead me to a bunch of on-line videos. Somewhere a long the way I came up with a link to this site. The thinking here is interesting. It has made me take a look at some of my old math and physics books that are still in my bookcase. All I can say is that I will never be able to 'prove' anything to a biased jury. I would never be able to prove to my wife, with just words, that I went to the grocery store. If I produce that quart of milk and a receipt, that's the 'game changer'. The game changer for the round earth folks is the engineering, products, and services that are in everyday use that were developed using the theories of the round earth. If the flat earth folks want to make a real impression, then just use that theory to better what's being done using the round earth model. There are things out there that are limited by the 'curvature of the earth'. If that theory is actually false, don't try to prove that it's false, just develop a product or service that is demonstratively better because of it. Put your theory into action and produce something of value. Then you will get the attention of everyone and most of the arguments will go away and the believers will be flocking towards FET.
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I came across this site in my quest for learning more about quantum mechanics. That lead me to a bunch of on-line videos. Somewhere a long the way I came up with a link to this site. The thinking here is interesting. It has made me take a look at some of my old math and physics books that are still in my bookcase. All I can say is that I will never be able to 'prove' anything to a biased jury. I would never be able to prove to my wife, with just words, that I went to the grocery store. If I produce that quart of milk and a receipt, that's the 'game changer'. The game changer for the round earth folks is the engineering, products, and services that are in everyday use that were developed using the theories of the round earth. If the flat earth folks want to make a real impression, then just use that theory to better what's being done using the round earth model. There are things out there that are limited by the 'curvature of the earth'. If that theory is actually false, don't try to prove that it's false, just develop a product or service that is demonstratively better because of it. Put your theory into action and produce something of value. Then you will get the attention of everyone and most of the arguments will go away and the believers will be flocking towards FET.
Ron you need scientific evidence and proof something will work before anyone would invest time and money in manufacturing and marketing a product. In this case the only thing standing in the way of FE believers from making huge profits is 'curvature'.
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In the case of microwave links, that are said to be limited by the curvature of the earth, you can have many radio amateurs (like I am) that will just try a link for the fun of it. There isn't any money involved. Many work for large companies in their technical department. Many are owners of small businesses (like I used to be) and would gladly try something if they thought some money could be made. There were a lot of people who thought that the V-8 engine wasn't a very practical idea until they were 'schooled' by Henry Ford. Look at the controversy between AC and DC electricity. DC was the accepted model and had Edison behind it. Tesla thought that AC had outstanding advantages. Guess who won over the long haul? I can personally attest that even a small businessman can get the attention of a large corporation if he has a viable idea and can produce a working prototype. Again, if the flat earth theory is viable, you don't really need a whole bunch of proof or scientific evidence. What you need is a working prototype. Turn it over to a large corporation and let them test it. Of course you will have to protect yourself from them if they decide to steal your idea, but then, who can steal the idea that the earth is actually flat?