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Science & Alternative Science / Re: New Report on WTC 7
« on: Today at 01:15:52 AM »
Is there any evidence against controlled demolition that isn't a form of denial and excuse-making?

You have the coincidence explanation that it just looks like a controlled demolition. What else is there?

Science & Alternative Science / Re: New Report on WTC 7
« on: February 22, 2024, 02:49:31 PM »
Odd how the WTC 7 building was seen to go into free fall -

All of these critiques are critiquing NIST, including the segment on the Jimmy Dore show. Referring to the NIST analysis again and again does nothing to contradict the analysis and critiques of NIST that are given.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: February 21, 2024, 06:21:03 AM »
Well, it looks like you guys have missed out on another smart Trump investment.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: February 19, 2024, 09:42:29 PM »
Fashion shoes are priced at the optimal price point their target market will buy them at. In younger communities if you spend several hundred dollars on a specific known pair of shoes it's a flex. Your identity is connected to the brand of shoes you wear, and is a staple item analogous to a woman's purse - women spend hundreds of dollars for luxury purses for the brand.

If the shoe is priced too low then it will be seen as trash and you will be laughed at. This what Shaquille O'Neal found when he tried to sell $12 Walmart Shaq shoes in response to the complaints from mothers that everyone deserved to have access to branded shoes. While he did sell a lot of them and fulfilled a need, it pretty much obliterated the prestige value of a Shaq shoe brand. Except for maybe children, no one brags about their $12 Shaq shoes.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: February 19, 2024, 08:56:56 PM »
The problem with the Democrat's ability to find someone electable in the upcoming presidential election is directly related to the below.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: February 19, 2024, 01:57:11 PM »
Most politicians ask for money for nothing in return. - The $400 shoes are the special gold ones that were limited in number and are already sold out. They look pretty unique. There are other red or white ones at $200.

If AATW does not like the sneakers then he does not have to buy it. I don't see what the problem is here.

Luxury sneakers associated with celebrities can range in price from $100 to $1000 and Trump appears to be targeting the low end of this.

Science & Alternative Science / Re: New Report on WTC 7
« on: February 19, 2024, 06:42:02 AM »
There was evidence of explosions associated with Building 7. See this 10 minute video -

Here is an article:

Explosions | World Trade Center Building 7

The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) claims in its WTC 7 FAQs that “no blast sounds were heard on audio tracks of video recordings during the collapse of WTC 7 or reported by witnesses.” 1 However, both audio recordings and eyewitness accounts of explosions during the destruction of WTC 7 contradict NIST’s claim.

Although there are not nearly as many eyewitness accounts of explosions in WTC 7 as in WTC 1 and WTC 2, there are a handful of accounts that strongly suggest explosions occurred immediately before and during WTC 7’s destruction. These include:

Craig Bartmer, former NYPD officer: “All of a sudden...I looked up, and... [t]he thing started peeling in on itself.... I started running...and the whole time you’re hearing “thume, thume, thume, thume, thume.” I think I know an explosion when I hear it.” 2

First-year NYU medical student identified as Darryl: “We heard this sound that sounded like a clap of thunder.... Turned around — we were shocked.... It looked like there was a shockwave ripping through the building and the windows all busted out.... [A]bout a second later the bottom floor caved out and the building followed after that.” 3

Kevin McPadden, unaffiliated, volunteer first responder: “And then it was like another two, three seconds, you heard explosions. Like BA-BOOOOOM! And it’s like a distinct sound...BA-BOOOOOM! And you felt a rumble in the ground, like, almost like you wanted to grab onto something.” 4

MSNBC reporter Ashleigh Banfield hears a loud sound from several blocks north of WTC 7 and says, “Oh my god.... This is it.”

These eyewitness accounts are corroborated by MSNBC video footage of reporter Ashleigh Banfield several blocks north of WTC 7. In the video, she hears a loud sound, turns her attention to WTC 7, and says, “Oh my god.... This is it.” 5 About seven seconds after she hears the loud sound, WTC 7 collapses. As David Chandler observes in the video WTC 7: Sound Evidence for Explosions:

“There were two blasts, followed by seven more regularly spaced all in two and a half seconds. Craig Bartmer’s testimony may come to mind: ‘The whole time you’re hearing “thume, thume, thume, thume, thume.”’....

“When we hear the sharp, regular series of sounds in the background, the building has not yet started to fall. When we hear the reporter say, “This is it,” the building has not yet started to fall.... The blasts we heard occurred seconds before the building started to fall.”

In addition to eyewitness accounts of explosions at the time of WTC 7’s destruction, there were eye-witness accounts from two men — Michael Hess (Corporation Counsel for the City of New York) and Barry Jennings (Deputy Director of Emergency Services at the New York City Housing Authority) — who reported experiencing an explosion and smoke in a stairway in the northeast part of WTC 7 prior to the collapse of WTC 1 at 10:28 AM.6

It has been claimed that what Hess and Jennings experienced was the result of debris from WTC 1 impacting WTC 7. However, this claim is not plausible, as Hess and Jennings were in a stairway at the opposite end of WTC 7 (northeast) from where debris impacted the building (southwest), and their account indicates that the explosion and smoke they witnessed occurred before the collapse of WTC 1.7

[1] NIST: Questions and Answers about the NIST WTC 7 Investigation, Question #13.





[6] Hess:; Jennings:

[7] Griffin, David Ray: The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7 (2009), pp. 84-111.

Science & Alternative Science / Re: New Report on WTC 7
« on: February 19, 2024, 05:16:13 AM »
Yes, you are calling it a coincidence based on "random" and "uncertain" events that the observation matches the model of the controlled demolition in the OP that the structural engineering professor presents on the Jimmy Dore Show.

Here is another explanation: It is not a coincidence.

Science & Alternative Science / Re: New Report on WTC 7
« on: February 19, 2024, 04:53:39 AM »
This paraphrased explanation of "it's random and uncertain how it will look as it falls, and it's just a coincidence that it's falling like a controlled demolition -- random uncertain effect just made it look that way!" isn't really doing you any favors.

In the video in the OP the structural engineer has a model of how the building look would in a controlled demolition, and it closer matches the observed exterior of the event.

Science & Alternative Science / Re: New Report on WTC 7
« on: February 19, 2024, 04:13:17 AM »
If the simulation is only explaining the global collapse and the events "after the initiation of the global collapse" differ from observation, then this is not a simulation which accurately explains events. Other NIST answers champion the simulation as "These validated computer models produced a collapse sequence that was confirmed by observations of what actually occurred." This is clearly wrong if their simulation of the exterior differs from observation.

The exterior structure of the building becomes severely deformed as it falls in the NIST model.

This is the deformity we are talking about:

NIST is correct here in their simulation. There should be severe deformity. It should not come down like a controlled demolition.

It seems like NIST just had a goal of simulating a global collapse caused by fire, and that's as far as they got in explaining the events. They simulated one thing and couldn't go further. They could not simulate what we saw, which is a disproof of their explanation.

Science & Alternative Science / Re: New Report on WTC 7
« on: February 19, 2024, 02:29:58 AM »
Jimmy Dore and his show are known to spew or carry conspiracy theories about various topics. Caution should be given to falling down the proverbial conspiracy theory rabbit hole.

The collapse of the 9/11 buildings (also falling directly onto their own footprint) was caused by nothing more than a group of terrorists that flew two commercial airliners (each carrying tens of thousands of kerosene jet full) through two buildings that instantly severed and compromised the buildings structures causing them to collapse when the structural integrity was compromised further by burning jet fuel. The collapse of the buildings and the buildings fires further compromised adjacent structures such as WTC 7. It was a domino effect.       

See attached.

"Some people have said that a failure at one column should not have produced a symmetrical fall like this one. What's your answer to those assertions?

WTC 7's collapse, viewed from the exterior (most videos were taken from the north), did appear to fall almost uniformly as a single unit. This occurred because the interior failures that took place did not cause the exterior framing to fail until the final stages of the building collapse. The interior floor framing and columns collapsed downward and pulled away from the exterior frame. There were clues that internal damage was taking place, prior to the downward movement of the exterior frame, such as when the east penthouse fell downward into the building and windows broke out on the north face at the ends of the building core. The symmetric appearance of the downward fall of the WTC 7 was primarily due to the greater stiffness and strength of its exterior frame relative to the interior framing."

Also from NIST:

25. The simulation of the collapse modeling of WTC 7 does not match the video footage of the collapse. In particular, the large inward deformations of the upper exterior walls after the beginning of global collapse are not visible in the video footage. Can NIST explain the difference between the results of its computer model of the collapse and the available video evidence?

NIST conducted two global collapse analyses, one that included damage due to debris impact from the collapse of WTC 1, and one that did not include any debris-impact damage. These two analyses were conducted to determine the influence of the debris-impact damage on the response of WTC 7 when subjected to the effects of the fires that burned on floors 7 to 9 and 11 to 13. In its comparison of the two analyses (see NIST NCSTAR 1A Section 3.5), NIST showed that the analysis with the debris-impact damage better simulated the sequence of observed events, and it is this simulation that is considered here.

NIST believes that the simulation of the collapse, based on the analysis with debris-impact damage, does capture the critical observations derived from the digital video recording. The critical observations and corresponding failures identified in the structural analysis include: 1) east-west motion of the building beginning at approximately the same time as failure of floors 6 through 14 around Column 79, 2) the formation of the "kink" in the roofline of the east penthouse approximately one second after Column 79 was found to buckle, 3) window breakage on the east side of the north face as the buckling of Column 79 precipitated the failure of upper floors, and 4) the beginning of global collapse (vertical drop of the building exterior) within approximately one-half second of the time predicted by analysis. Both measured time and analytically predicted time, from the start of failures of floors surrounding Column 79 to the initial downward motion of the north face roofline, was 12.9 seconds (see NIST NCSTAR Report 1A, Table 3-1). The collapse observations, from video analysis of the CBS News Archive video, are covered in detail in NIST NCSTAR Report 1A Section 3.5 and NIST NCSTAR Report 1-9, Section 8.3. Only in the later stages of the animation, after the initiation of global collapse, do the upper exterior wall deformations from the NIST analysis differ from the video images.

Uncertainties associated with the approach taken by NIST are addressed in NIST NCSTAR Report 1A, Section 3.5, where it is noted, "Once simulation of the global collapse of WTC 7 was underway, there was a great increase in the uncertainty in the progression of the collapse sequence, due to the random nature of the interaction, break up, disintegration, and falling debris." The contribution to stiffness and strength of nonstructural materials and components, such as exterior cladding, interior walls and partitions, was not considered in the analyses conducted by NIST. It is well known that such non-structural components can increase the stiffness and strength of a structural system, but their contribution is difficult to quantify. Given these factors, disparities between the video and the animation in the later stages of collapse would be expected.

See bolded. In other words the NIST couldn't simulate an event where the exterior falls together. It says that events "after the initiation of the global collapse" the simulation differs.

They then give a series of excuses for why they can't simulate it, oddly while their other answers champion their simulation as a general proof.

Also, this is funny:

Did investigators consider the possibility that an explosion caused or contributed to the collapse of WTC 7?

Yes, this possibility was investigated carefully. NIST concluded that blast events inside the building did not occur and found no evidence supporting the existence of a blast event.


Did fuel oil systems in WTC 7 contribute to its collapse?

No. The building had three separate emergency power systems, all of which ran on diesel fuel. The worst-case scenarios associated with fires being fed by ruptured fuel lines-or from fuel stored in day tanks on the lower floors-could not have been sustained long enough, could not have generated sufficient heat to weaken critical interior columns, and/or would have produced large amounts of visible smoke from the lower floors, which were not observed.


Is it possible that thermite or thermate contributed to the collapse of WTC 7?

NIST has looked at the application and use of thermite and has determined that its use to sever columns in WTC 7 on 9/11/01 was unlikely.


What about claims that the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) found metallic residues that are evidence of thermite in dust and air samples, respectively, taken from the WTC area after Sept. 11, 2001?

There has not been any conclusive evidence presented to indicate that highly reactive pyrotechnic material was present in the debris of WTC 7.


NIST's entire investigation included no physical evidence. How can the investigators be so sure they know what happened?

In general, much less evidence existed for WTC 7 than for the two WTC towers. The steel for WTC 1 and WTC 2 contained distinguishing characteristics that enabled it to be identified once removed from the site during recovery efforts. However, the same was not true for the WTC 7 steel. Certainly, there is a lot less visual and audio evidence of the WTC 7 collapse compared to the collapses of the WTC 1 and WTC 2 towers, which were much more widely photographed.

Nonetheless, the NIST investigation of WTC 7 is based on a huge amount of data. These data come from extensive research, interviews, and studies of the building, including audio and video recordings of the collapse. Rigorous, state-of-the-art computer methods were designed to study and model the building's collapse. These validated computer models produced a collapse sequence that was confirmed by observations of what actually occurred. In addition to using its in-house expertise, NIST relied upon private-sector technical experts; accumulated copious documents, photographs and videos of this disaster; conducted first-person interviews of building occupants and emergency responders; analyzed the evacuation and emergency response operations in and around WTC 7; performed computer simulations of the behavior of WTC 7 on Sept. 11, 2001; and combined the knowledge gained into a probable collapse sequence.

The NIST investigation included no actual physical evidence and their analysis is based on some theories.

And in regards to their theories, the answer here claims that their computer models "produced a collapse sequence that was confirmed by observations of what actually occurred" despite a previous answer which says that their model of the exterior behavior does not match observation.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: February 16, 2024, 12:03:22 PM »
Liberals aren't looking too confident about this to me. Apparently The Atlantic is shocked that Joe Biden would put his own self-regard ahead of the good of the country. They are begging for the DNC to pick a new candidate.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: February 14, 2024, 04:00:32 PM »
Not sure why you are simping for these people. I have not seen any evidence from you that NATO alliances are sacrosanct. They are hanger-ons, hoping to take advantage of others for their own benefit. If they are stealing from NATO by getting benefit and not paying then they can get invaded for all I care.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: February 14, 2024, 05:52:01 AM »
By the nature of how this NATO military funding works, if you are not giving then you are stealing. So yes, then Russia can invade the theives.

Science & Alternative Science / The Science of Forgiveness
« on: February 14, 2024, 01:42:00 AM »
I have recently begun studying a form of alternative science which has received more dismissal and derision in our culture than both Homeopathy and Astrology combined. It is barely given validity outside of certain religious venues despite being a long-known concept in general. This is the science of forgiveness.

There is a disease of hate and judgment which plagues mankind. The only remedy to cure this is through a fundamental philosophical breakthrough within your own self. Your judgmental self is the barrier to many of your psychological ills, which even manifests into the physiological.

The forgiveness philosophy is a way to help yourself through what is essentially a form spiritual enlightenment. Even if you don't believe in anything spiritual, it will help break through the basis of your issues. There are a series of books such as The Power of NOW, the Disappearance of the Universe, and A Return to Love, which are all supplements to the philosophy of a seminal work written in the 1970's called A Course in Miracles. The Disappearance of the Universe book is a good primer with unique background and essential world-building information which makes A Course in Miracles more understandable and I would recommend reading it.

The essential tenet of this philosophy is that you can heal your judgmental self within you - your ego - through the power of forgiveness. You need to start on a journey of forgiveness and forgive the people who have wronged you, forgive the people who annoy you, and who you perceive to do wrong. Their nature is not truly their fault, after all. Go further to even forgive your loved ones who have died on you, and go further on a forgiveness adventure to forgive the world and all its ills. As you let go of all of that judgment, and can truly forgive, it will take you on a path of internal healing and change you at a very fundamental level.

A misconception on the concept of forgiveness is that forgiveness is not necessarily a pardon. You are not pardoning or compromising your morality. Forgiveness is also not for the benefit of the person or thing you are forgiving. The act of forgiveness is mainly for your own personal benefit, so you can move on with your life. The Course in Miracles is a lengthy course on training yourself to forgive at a deep and fundamental level, and forgiving even the things you wouldn't think of forgiving.

There are apparently a number of psychologists who have reviewed this, and say that exposing their clients to this philosophy has done far more than traditional counseling. They claim that there is a demonstrated experimental psychological benefit to forgiveness, which is why I say it is akin to a science.

The material on this does go further and suggest that there is more benefit to forgiveness than just a psychological effect, and that it translates into karma and other meta-physical effects which tends to benefit your life in general.

Another interesting tenet about A Course in Miracles is that the author was an old lady atheist who claims that Jesus Christ spoke to her and guided her to write it. It is essentially a sequel to the New Testament, written for a modern audience with the goal of helping us reach spiritual enlightenment. In The Disappearance of the Universe many surprising claims are made, such as that Jesus wasn't necessarily promoting forgiveness in the NT because he wanted you to be a moral goodie-two shoes, or that morality is even the key, but that forgiveness is really the secret to our internal and external struggles. Jesus reveals that the world's evils are by design (somehow by our own design, satan is our ego manifested as reality), and it is all a test for us to forgive it and ourselves.

In The Disappearance of the Universe book it is revealed that reincarnation exists (erased from the Bible by a Roman dictator), and that over the millennia we reincarnate thousands of times in different scenarios in near proximity to the spirits from our previous lives, gaining spiritual character-quality stats as you try to right the wrongs of your experiences in the next go around. In Disappearance it is suggested that once you learn to forgive, and are able to forgive it all, you have satisfied your own imposed victimhood requirements. There are no more wrongs to correct and you can finally stop reincarnating, to which you reach spiritual enlightenment and can ultimately leave this world.

While it is not necessary to believe any of the supernatural elements of this to derive benefit, and I'm not sure that I do and mainly find it interesting, have you ever even heard that there was a forgiveness book sequel to the New Testament which claims to be written by Jesus and which has gained a following? Of course not. You were not wanted to. This is all the more reason to look into the knowledge which you are being denied.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: February 13, 2024, 04:54:39 PM »
Trump is not the first conservative to question the value of NATO. In fact, he mostly gets his opinions from pre-existing positions that have existed for at least a decade prior. Rush Limbaugh and others have echoed all of his general sentiments years ago.

At this point there are no deep cultural ties between America and most of the NATO countries, such as Estonia and many others. It is a service. If some people want to abuse the service by using military resources and not paying, then they are deserving of rejection and even animosity for wasting the resources that are necessary to protect others. Trump has touched on the animosity a bit, and I agree with him.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: February 13, 2024, 03:05:18 AM »

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: February 13, 2024, 02:57:11 AM »
None of what Trump said is detestable.
Because of the word I bolded. You don't care what he said, he said it so it's OK.
If someone you don't like says something then it's "bad". Again, not because of what's said, because of who said it.
You're either programmed beyond hope or trolling. It doesn't really matter which, neither leads to productive debate.

You seem to believe that I secretly care deeply about NATO allies. I do not.

I don't care if Estonia gets invaded. Why should I?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: February 12, 2024, 04:03:16 PM »
Trump is on the right track here.
lol. There’s a good cult member.
Trump loves people like you, you’re so easy to program. Literally doesn’t matter what he says.

You guys should pay the amount you agreed to for protection. America shouldn't protect dead beats.
Well, that seems fairly reasonable.
But encourage?
The mental backflips you do to justify anything your cult leader says or does are ridiculous. You’d come across as more credible if you were more honest. You don’t believe America should actively encourage nations to attack NATO nations just because they haven’t paid.

The NATO expectations are very reasonable. Each country is expected to contribute 2% of GDP. An alliance is a two way street. You can't just take. If you are not contributing then you are putting everyone else in danger by using the alliance's infrastructure and resources to cover you. How is NATO supposed to protect everyone if they have multiple military bases and high tech infrastructure that they are maintaining in your territory that you are not paying for?

Wolf packs are known to drive out or kill the sick or injured members in their packs, and arguably rightly so. It slows them down and invites predators. None of what Trump said is detestable.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: February 12, 2024, 07:21:16 AM »
He recalled that the leader of a "big country" had presented a hypothetical situation in which he was not meeting his financial obligations within Nato and had come under attack from Moscow.

Mr Trump said the leader had asked if the US would come to his country's aid in that scenario, which prompted him to issue a rebuke.

"I said: 'You didn't pay? You're delinquent?'... 'No I would not protect you, in fact I would encourage them to do whatever they want. You gotta pay.'"

Trump is on the right track here. You guys should pay the amount you agreed to for protection. America shouldn't protect dead beats.

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