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Title: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: İntikam on May 13, 2016, 12:06:45 AM
Hello mister and misses so.

As we know that globe earth depends on some theories like gravity, centrifugal force, etc.

There is a real problem without a real solution. Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?

When we see the sky, we see it stay on their place. This shows if the earth is turning, the atm is turning with earth too.

The earth has Radius about 6371 kms.

The atmospher altitude about 10.000 kms.

The earth spinnig with 1.667 km/hrs. So the outside of the atm must turn with 1.667km/h * (16.371/6.371) = 4.285 km/h. It is about x2,5 of the speed on land level.

We don't drifting to space because there is a balance between gravity and centrifugal force saves us to drift out.

At the most external region of the atmospher the gravity decreases minimum value and the centrifugal force increases the maximum value. So it is  impossible the atm don't falls apart.

I can show and stronghten it with diagrams. The forces acting the particul on the air, land level it is Fg=Fc and there is a balanca ; at the R altitude it changes Fg= Fc / 8.

(https://i.imgsafe.org/9beba89.jpg)

There is no way out for REBs.

Edit:

Try 1: Difusion don't helps to solve this problem because oppositely the partituls which near to out, tries to escape out immedietly.
Try2: Air pressure don't helps solve this problem because oppositely  air pressure decreases on high altitutes this makes the particuls escape to space.
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on May 13, 2016, 02:12:01 AM
The gravity of the earth is what keeps our atmosphere.
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on May 13, 2016, 04:04:11 AM
Here, I'll help with the math.

w = angular velocity of earth = 1 rotation/day = 2 * pi / (24 * 60 * 60) radians/second = 0.000073 rad/s
a = centrifugal acceleration
g = gravitational acceleration at a given altitude
g0 = gravitational acceleration at ground level = 9.8 m/s2
h = altitude
r = radius of earth = 6371000 meters

formulas:

g = g0 * ( r/(r+h) )2

a = w2 * r

At ground level:

g = 9.8 m/s2
a = 0.0000732 * 6371000 = 0.03 m/s2

So clearly, gravity is MUCH stronger than centrifugal acceleration at ground level.

At 10000 km (10000000 meters):

g = 9.8 * (6371000 / (6371000 + 10000000))2 = 1.5 m/s2
a = 0.0000732 * (6371000 + 10000000) = 0.09 m/s2

So, even at 10,000 km high, gravity is STILL much stronger than centrifugal acceleration. The atmosphere will stay right where it is, don't worry!

* feel free to check my work *

Also, Fg does not equal Fc even at ground level, as shown above. They don't need to be balanced. Gravity just needs to be stronger.
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: İntikam on May 13, 2016, 06:16:37 AM
Here, I'll help with the math.

w = angular velocity of earth = 1 rotation/day = 2 * pi / (24 * 60 * 60) radians/second = 0.000073 rad/s
a = centrifugal acceleration
g = gravitational acceleration at a given altitude
g0 = gravitational acceleration at ground level = 9.8 m/s2
h = altitude
r = radius of earth = 6371000 meters

formulas:

g = g0 * ( r/(r+h) )2

a = w2 * r

At ground level:

g = 9.8 m/s2
a = 0.0000732 * 6371000 = 0.03 m/s2

So clearly, gravity is MUCH stronger than centrifugal acceleration at ground level.

At 10000 km (10000000 meters):

g = 9.8 * (6371000 / (6371000 + 10000000))2 = 1.5 m/s2
a = 0.0000732 * (6371000 + 10000000) = 0.09 m/s2

So, even at 10,000 km high, gravity is STILL much stronger than centrifugal acceleration. The atmosphere will stay right where it is, don't worry!

* feel free to check my work *

Also, Fg does not equal Fc even at ground level, as shown above. They don't need to be balanced. Gravity just needs to be stronger.

You are wrong. Your formula wrong by mentality. Because it rote, incomprehensible and invalid.

For example your "R" is different with R here. Because all the parts in the Radius of the Earth  move as a whole. But after that, land level, the parts on  R and 2R  altitude move independently.

the subject of this appeal depends on this irregularity but you did not understand something.

You need show a part "stay stable on the air force balance". You can first start draw it. For your formula all molecules on the air fall down to our heads with a high speed :D For your formula there is no air and everything attached to ground level.  :D
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: rabinoz on May 13, 2016, 06:31:59 AM
Hello mister and misses so.
As we know that globe earth depends on some theories like gravity, centrifugal force, etc.
There is a real problem without a real solution. Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
When we see the sky, we see it stay on their place. This shows if the earth is turning, the atm is turning with earth too.
The earth has Radius about 6371 kms.
The atmospher altitude about 10.000 kms.
The earth spinnig with 1.667 km/hrs. So the outside of the atm must turn with 1.667km/h * (16.371/6.371) = 4.285 km/h. It is about x2,5 of the speed on land level.
We don't drifting to space because there is a balance between gravity and centrifugal force saves us to drift out.
At the most external region of the atmospher the gravity decreases minimum value and the centrifugal force increases the maximum value. So it is  impossible the atm don't falls apart.
I can show and stronghten it with diagrams. The forces acting the particul on the air, land level it is Fg=Fc and there is a balanca ; at the R altitude it changes Fg= Fc / 8.

There is no way out for REBs.
Oh, yes there is! This is simply not a problem.

Quote from: Wikipedia
Exosphere
The exosphere is the outermost layer of Earth's atmosphere (i.e. the upper limit of the atmosphere). It extends from the exobase, which is located at the top of the thermosphere at an altitude of about 700 km above sea level, to about 10,000 km (6,200 mi; 33,000,000 ft) where it merges into the solar wind.
This layer is mainly composed of extremely low densities of hydrogen, helium and several heavier molecules including nitrogen, oxygen and carbon dioxide closer to the exobase. The atoms and molecules are so far apart that they can travel hundreds of kilometers without colliding with one another. Thus, the exosphere no longer behaves like a gas, and the particles constantly escape into space. These free-moving particles follow ballistic trajectories and may migrate in and out of the magnetosphere or the solar wind.

At 10,000 km (the outer limit of the exosphere - and the "atmosphere") "The atoms and molecules are so far apart that they can travel hundreds of kilometers without colliding with one another.".

In other words there is vittually NO ATMOPHERE in the exsphere! Some of the few there do escape, but others are captured.

Note that it also says "These free-moving particles follow ballistic trajectories and may migrate in and out of the magnetosphere or the solar wind."

I wish you would realise that ALL these things that you are bringing up have been thought of by many others, and there os simply no problem.

Essentially, as everyone else has said - gravitation holds the atmosphere in place.
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: İntikam on May 13, 2016, 06:44:15 AM
I think most of writers dont understand what i mean.

(https://i.imgsafe.org/9beba89.jpg)

This is clear and understandable. No where to flee.  :)

Another problem is "difusion". "The power of the vacuum effect" : powerful and irresistible.  Next matter we will examine this problem. ;D
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on May 13, 2016, 07:04:53 AM
You are wrong. Your formula wrong by mentality. Because it rote, incomprehensible and invalid.

Which formula is wrong? What is the correct formula?

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For example your "R" is different with R here. Because all the parts in the Radius of the Earth  move as a whole. But after that, land level, the parts on  R and 2R  altitude move independently.

On average, the atmosphere rotates at the same angular velocity as the ground. They can be treated as rotating together. This results in the linear velocities described here (http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=5001.msg96878#msg96878).

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You need show a part "stay stable on the air force balance". You can first start draw it. For your formula all molecules on the air fall down to our heads with a high speed :D For your formula there is no air and everything attached to ground level.  :D
...
This is clear and understandable. No where to flee.  :)

I understand what you mean. You made a mistake in the "balance equation". You forgot to take into account air pressure. I described this balance equation in this post (http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=5001.msg96850#msg96850). The complete equation is this:

Fg - Fp = Fc

Fc = centrifugal force
Fg = force of gravity
Fp = force due to a differential in air pressure
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: İntikam on May 13, 2016, 07:10:46 AM
You are wrong. Your formula wrong by mentality. Because it rote, incomprehensible and invalid.

Which formula is wrong? What is the correct formula?

Quote
For example your "R" is different with R here. Because all the parts in the Radius of the Earth  move as a whole. But after that, land level, the parts on  R and 2R  altitude move independently.

On average, the atmosphere rotates at the same angular velocity as the ground. They can be treated as rotating together. This results in the linear velocities described here (http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=5001.msg96878#msg96878).

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You need show a part "stay stable on the air force balance". You can first start draw it. For your formula all molecules on the air fall down to our heads with a high speed :D For your formula there is no air and everything attached to ground level.  :D
...
This is clear and understandable. No where to flee.  :)

I understand what you mean. You made a mistake in the "balance equation". You forgot to take into account air pressure. I described this balance equation in this post (http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=5001.msg96850#msg96850). The complete equation is this:

Fg - Fp = Fc

Fc = centrifugal force
Fg = force of gravity
Fp = force due to a differential in air pressure

Heavy particuls are always below and light particuls are always  above. So the differential in air pressure effects to up!
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on May 13, 2016, 07:14:31 AM
Heavy particuls are always below and light particuls are always  above. So the differential in air pressure effects to up!

Yep! The differential in air pressure points up. You can rewrite the equation like this, if it helps:

Fg (points down) = Fp (points up) + Fc (points up)
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: İntikam on May 13, 2016, 07:27:55 AM
Heavy particuls are always below and light particuls are always  above. So the differential in air pressure effects to up!

Yep! The differential in air pressure points up. You can rewrite the equation like this, if it helps:

Fg (points down) = Fp (points up) + Fc (points up)

New formula don't help to balance the particul. Oppositely falls apart it to space.  ;D
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: TheTruthIsOnHere on May 13, 2016, 02:55:43 PM
If it's just Gravity then why are is the more dense Ozone layer suspended above the less dense blend of our atmosphere?
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on May 13, 2016, 06:30:41 PM
Heavy particuls are always below and light particuls are always  above. So the differential in air pressure effects to up!

Yep! The differential in air pressure points up. You can rewrite the equation like this, if it helps:

Fg (points down) = Fp (points up) + Fc (points up)

New formula don't help to balance the particul. Oppositely falls apart it to space.  ;D

I don't understand this sentence, sorry. Could you try explaining it a different way?

If it's just Gravity then why are is the more dense Ozone layer suspended above the less dense blend of our atmosphere?

I wasn't aware that the ozone layer is more dense than the atmosphere below it. Source?
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: Rounder on May 14, 2016, 04:44:51 AM
If it's just Gravity then why are is the more dense Ozone layer suspended above the less dense blend of our atmosphere?

Seems like this question should be a wash; on either a flat or a round earth, a denser gas should settle beneath a less-dense one.  In any case there is an answer: ozone is common at high altitude, above the bulk of the atmosphere, because it is generated up there.  Ozone molecules come about when ultraviolet light splits an ordinary O2 molecule into two Oxygen atoms, one (or both) of which then go on to bind to an O2 molecule and become an O3 ozone molecule.  These heavier molecules are unstable, and most of them split back up when they in turn absorb some more UV.  Ozone generation at lower altitudes is far less than at high altitudes because the process that creates high altitude ozone blocks much of the UV needed to drive the process.
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: TheTruthIsOnHere on May 14, 2016, 05:52:30 AM
The gravity of the earth is what keeps our atmosphere.

How though? Wouldn't that imply that the atmosphere would be bound tightly to the earth somehow, as it spins 1,000mph? I don't think that's how it works though. Doesn't the atmosphere move independently from the earth?

One thing I haven't seen adequately explained is how an airplane doesn't move 1000mph faster going against the rotation, give or take any air resistance.
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on May 14, 2016, 06:56:35 AM
The gravity of the earth is what keeps our atmosphere.

How though? Wouldn't that imply that the atmosphere would be bound tightly to the earth somehow, as it spins 1,000mph? I don't think that's how it works though. Doesn't the atmosphere move independently from the earth?

One thing I haven't seen adequately explained is how an airplane doesn't move 1000mph faster going against the rotation, give or take any air resistance.

Ugh, this website is like one giant experiment to test Poe's Law.
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: İntikam on May 14, 2016, 11:33:34 AM
Heavy particuls are always below and light particuls are always  above. So the differential in air pressure effects to up!

Yep! The differential in air pressure points up. You can rewrite the equation like this, if it helps:

Fg (points down) = Fp (points up) + Fc (points up)

New formula don't help to balance the particul. Oppositely falls apart it to space.  ;D

I don't understand this sentence, sorry. Could you try explaining it a different way?

I wasn't aware that the ozone layer is more dense than the atmosphere below it. Source?

Air pressure don't helps solve this problem because air pressure decreases on high altitutes this makes the particuls escape to space.

First post edited.
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: rabinoz on May 14, 2016, 12:21:25 PM
Heavy particuls are always below and light particuls are always  above. So the differential in air pressure effects to up!

Yep! The differential in air pressure points up. You can rewrite the equation like this, if it helps:

Fg (points down) = Fp (points up) + Fc (points up)

New formula don't help to balance the particul. Oppositely falls apart it to space.  ;D

I don't understand this sentence, sorry. Could you try explaining it a different way?

I wasn't aware that the ozone layer is more dense than the atmosphere below it. Source?

Air pressure don't helps solve this problem because air pressure decreases on high altitutes this makes the particuls escape to space.

First post edited.
You claim "air pressure decreases on high altitutes this makes the particuls escape to space." Well, a small amount of lighter gases do escape, though from very high up - in the tens of thousands of kilometre range.

Look, I do not have the time to draw all the pictures you might want,
but
the big probem with all you claim is that when you get above a couple of hundred kilimetres altitude the is virtually no air anyway. So up here there is nothing to keep there air rotating with the earth, so you can't simply use the "centrifugal force" equations.

In addition to this the altitude at which the centripetal acceleration at one orbit per day (Geostationary orbit) just matches the gravitational acceleration is at 35,786 kilometres altitude. Up at that altitude any gas atoms and molecules are so far apart that there rarely collide.

Also some gases do escape to space.
For the light gases about 95,000 tonnes of hydrogen and 1,578 tonnes of helium are lost per year - this is because the thermal velocities of these is high, so some can escape gravity. Helium is constatly replenished from within the earth and the supply of hydrogen is so vast that it will never run out.

But the thermal velocities of the heavier Oxygen and Nitrogen are much lower so very little if lost.

The "solar wind" does strip off a little atmosphere, but then the earth captures some of this and partly compensates, but don't worry we'll never run out of atmosphere!
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on May 14, 2016, 12:36:28 PM
Air pressure don't helps solve this problem because air pressure decreases on high altitutes this makes the particuls escape to space.

First post edited.

You have this backwards. Air pressure prevents the particles from FALLING. If the air pressure is too low, they will fall, not escape into space, which will cause air pressure to increase. It is a self-balancing equation.
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: totallackey on May 15, 2016, 11:56:09 PM
Hello mister and misses so.

As we know that globe earth depends on some theories like gravity, centrifugal force, etc.

There is a real problem without a real solution. Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?

When we see the sky, we see it stay on their place. This shows if the earth is turning, the atm is turning with earth too.

The earth has Radius about 6371 kms.

The atmospher altitude about 10.000 kms.

The earth spinnig with 1.667 km/hrs. So the outside of the atm must turn with 1.667km/h * (16.371/6.371) = 4.285 km/h. It is about x2,5 of the speed on land level.

We don't drifting to space because there is a balance between gravity and centrifugal force saves us to drift out.

At the most external region of the atmospher the gravity decreases minimum value and the centrifugal force increases the maximum value. So it is  impossible the atm don't falls apart.

I can show and stronghten it with diagrams. The forces acting the particul on the air, land level it is Fg=Fc and there is a balanca ; at the R altitude it changes Fg= Fc / 8.

(https://i.imgsafe.org/9beba89.jpg)

There is no way out for REBs.

Edit:

Try 1: Difusion don't helps to solve this problem because oppositely the partituls which near to out, tries to escape out immedietly.
Try2: Air pressure don't helps solve this problem because oppositely  air pressure decreases on high altitutes this makes the particuls escape to space.

As you can see Intikam, all they do is provide some bull shit answer...all they have is some fucked up theory piled on top of another fucked up theory to explain the first fucked up theory...

Sun worshipers...According to them, the atmosphere is IMPERMEABLE!!!
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on May 16, 2016, 12:19:49 AM
As you can see Intikam, all they do is provide some bull shit answer...all they have is some fucked up theory piled on top of another fucked up theory to explain the first fucked up theory...

Sun worshipers...According to them, the atmosphere is IMPERMEABLE!!!

Honestly, this is high school level physics. It isn't very complicated. If I got something wrong, feel free to correct me. Insults don't really help though.

Who told you the atmosphere was impermeable? I am pretty sure the existence of rain disproves that statement.
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: totallackey on May 16, 2016, 09:56:21 PM
As you can see Intikam, all they do is provide some bull shit answer...all they have is some fucked up theory piled on top of another fucked up theory to explain the first fucked up theory...

Sun worshipers...According to them, the atmosphere is IMPERMEABLE!!!

Honestly, this is high school level physics. It isn't very complicated. If I got something wrong, feel free to correct me. Insults don't really help though.

Who told you the atmosphere was impermeable? I am pretty sure the existence of rain disproves that statement.

What is insulting is the cockamamie bullshit about the atmosphere moving at 1000 MPH, velcroed to the Earth.

When asked to explain how this can possibly be, the answer comes back, "Imagine you are inside a moving train..."

Well Copernicus, it sure seems you want me to equate the quality of AIR with that of the IMPERMEABLE walls and ceiling of a rail car...

Fact remains, there have been ZERO experiments PROVING the Earth is in motion...

All there is? Some FUCKED up math, when everyone knows I can get numbers to agree with ANY FUCKING THING I CHOOSE and some MORE CONJECTURE heaped on top of the original issue when the first supposition can not be proven...
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on May 17, 2016, 12:25:14 AM
What is insulting is the cockamamie bullshit about the atmosphere moving at 1000 MPH, velcroed to the Earth.

When asked to explain how this can possibly be, the answer comes back, "Imagine you are inside a moving train..."

Well Copernicus, it sure seems you want me to equate the quality of AIR with that of the IMPERMEABLE walls and ceiling of a rail car...

I suspect you completely misunderstood that analogy. The point of the analogy is that the air inside of a moving train is moving at the same speed as the passengers. Therefore, the passengers don't feel the motion. Likewise, the earth's atmosphere is moving at the same speed as the ground, and the people standing on the ground. Therefore, we don't feel the motion of the earth.

The reason the train needs a roof and the earth doesn't, is because the train is moving rapidly through air. If there was no roof, then the rapidly moving air outside the train would rip away the stationary air inside the train. On the other hand, the earth is moving through SPACE. There is nothing in space. Nothing to rip away the earth's atmosphere.

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Fact remains, there have been ZERO experiments PROVING the Earth is in motion...

There have been plenty, but anything to do with space automatically gets labelled as "fake" by flat earthers. Earthbound ways of measuring the rotation of the earth include measuring it's radius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesy) and angular velocity against the stars/sun/moon. Pendulums and the Coriolis effect can also be used.

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All there is? Some FUCKED up math, when everyone knows I can get numbers to agree with ANY FUCKING THING I CHOOSE

Tell that to the IRS. Or to the store cashier. Numbers can be misapplied, misinterpreted, and miscalculated. But if you are sharp, you should be able to spot the error, if there is one. Especially for such an utterly simplistic situation like this.

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and some MORE CONJECTURE heaped on top of the original issue when the first supposition can not be proven...

If you think there is something wrong with what I have said, try making a clear, well explained objection. This vague whining is just annoying.
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: Rounder on May 17, 2016, 12:26:36 PM
Fact remains, there have been ZERO experiments PROVING the Earth is in motion...

Incorrect.  Ring Laser Gyroscopes are sensitive enough to detect the earth's rotation.  Here's an example in Germany (http://www.fs.wettzell.de/LKREISEL/G/LaserGyros.html) that is so sensitive they have to compensate for movement of the underlying geology.  Stepping up to the largest RLG in the world, operating in Australia (http://www.phys.canterbury.ac.nz/ringlaser/ug-2_ultra_large_ring.shtml), they have enough sensitivity to detect not only the rotation, but even the wobble in that roation caused by the moon.  (Currently out of service due to recent earthquakes)

Prefer to do your own experiments?  Good for you, highly encouraged, and there is good news: the effect that is exploited by those million-dollar instruments, known as the Sagnac Effect (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagnac_effect) (named for a French physicist who first demonstrated it in 1913) is within reach of hobby-level equipment in the form of the fiber optic gyroscope!  Here's a guy (https://youtu.be/qy_9J_c9Kss) who built such a device, a 1km fiber loop that is sensitive enough to detect the earth's rotation.
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: Rounder on May 17, 2016, 12:51:13 PM
Going back further in history, the earth's movement around the sun was confirmed through observations of a phenomenon called Aberration (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberration_of_light).  The effect is quite small, moving the apparent position of stars by a mere 40 arc-seconds, but careful observations conducted from 1725-1728 confirmed earlier reported deviations of star positions, and explained it.
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: totallackey on May 18, 2016, 09:09:00 AM
Fact remains, there have been ZERO experiments PROVING the Earth is in motion...

Incorrect.  Ring Laser Gyroscopes are sensitive enough to detect the earth's rotation.  Here's an example in Germany (http://www.fs.wettzell.de/LKREISEL/G/LaserGyros.html) that is so sensitive they have to compensate for movement of the underlying geology.  Stepping up to the largest RLG in the world, operating in Australia (http://www.phys.canterbury.ac.nz/ringlaser/ug-2_ultra_large_ring.shtml), they have enough sensitivity to detect not only the rotation, but even the wobble in that roation caused by the moon.  (Currently out of service due to recent earthquakes)

Prefer to do your own experiments?  Good for you, highly encouraged, and there is good news: the effect that is exploited by those million-dollar instruments, known as the Sagnac Effect (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagnac_effect) (named for a French physicist who first demonstrated it in 1913) is within reach of hobby-level equipment in the form of the fiber optic gyroscope!  Here's a guy (https://youtu.be/qy_9J_c9Kss) who built such a device, a 1km fiber loop that is sensitive enough to detect the earth's rotation.

So, since there are certainly OTHER MOVEMENTS giving rise or interference to actual OPERATION of the devices you present, there is NO QUESTION concerning what is causing any type of measurable output from these devices?

Sorry pal, ain't BUYING THAT BULL SHIT TODAY...
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: totallackey on May 18, 2016, 09:11:25 AM
What is insulting is the cockamamie bullshit about the atmosphere moving at 1000 MPH, velcroed to the Earth.

When asked to explain how this can possibly be, the answer comes back, "Imagine you are inside a moving train..."

Well Copernicus, it sure seems you want me to equate the quality of AIR with that of the IMPERMEABLE walls and ceiling of a rail car...

I suspect you completely misunderstood that analogy. The point of the analogy is that the air inside of a moving train is moving at the same speed as the passengers. Therefore, the passengers don't feel the motion. Likewise, the earth's atmosphere is moving at the same speed as the ground, and the people standing on the ground. Therefore, we don't feel the motion of the earth.

The reason the train needs a roof and the earth doesn't, is because the train is moving rapidly through air. If there was no roof, then the rapidly moving air outside the train would rip away the stationary air inside the train. On the other hand, the earth is moving through SPACE. There is nothing in space. Nothing to rip away the earth's atmosphere.

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Fact remains, there have been ZERO experiments PROVING the Earth is in motion...

There have been plenty, but anything to do with space automatically gets labelled as "fake" by flat earthers. Earthbound ways of measuring the rotation of the earth include measuring it's radius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesy) and angular velocity against the stars/sun/moon. Pendulums and the Coriolis effect can also be used.

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All there is? Some FUCKED up math, when everyone knows I can get numbers to agree with ANY FUCKING THING I CHOOSE

Tell that to the IRS. Or to the store cashier. Numbers can be misapplied, misinterpreted, and miscalculated. But if you are sharp, you should be able to spot the error, if there is one. Especially for such an utterly simplistic situation like this.

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and some MORE CONJECTURE heaped on top of the original issue when the first supposition can not be proven...

If you think there is something wrong with what I have said, try making a clear, well explained objection. This vague whining is just annoying.

I understand the difference between BEING INSIDE AND BEING OUTSIDE!!! YOU DO NOT!!! When you do, you might then want to come back and discuss things in an actually RELATIVE MANNER!

Until then, I will simply continue tearing down your false analogs...
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: Unsure101 on May 18, 2016, 10:08:33 AM

So, since there are certainly OTHER MOVEMENTS giving rise or interference to actual OPERATION of the devices you present, there is NO QUESTION concerning what is causing any type of measurable output from these devices?

Sorry pal, ain't BUYING THAT BULL SHIT TODAY...
And these other certain movements are?
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: Venus on May 18, 2016, 10:21:39 AM
Honestly, this is high school level physics. It isn't very complicated. If I got something wrong, feel free to correct me. Insults don't really help though.

And therein lies the problem ...

The creationist denies evolution because "how could everything come from nothing", "If man came from monkeys why are monkeys still here" and "Have you ever seen a dog give birth to a cat?"
The flatearther denies a spherical earth because "I can't see any curvature", All NASA photos are actually CGI etc (we've seen them all in these forums)

But the creationist has absolutely no idea of the theory of evolution and will often show his/her complete ignorance by mixing up the Big Bang Theory, the origin of life ... Abiogenesis, and the Theory of Evolution!!
The flatearther has no idea about scale and distance, gravity, physics or astronomy !!

But apparently you can get degrees in both creationism and the flat earth model from UToob University by spending a couple of hours watching a few videos !!

OR ... You could spend 5 or 6 years paying attention in high school !!
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: totallackey on May 18, 2016, 11:59:44 PM

So, since there are certainly OTHER MOVEMENTS giving rise or interference to actual OPERATION of the devices you present, there is NO QUESTION concerning what is causing any type of measurable output from these devices?

Sorry pal, ain't BUYING THAT BULL SHIT TODAY...
And these other certain movements are?

You can read, right? Read the posts...
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: Rounder on May 19, 2016, 05:31:22 AM
So, since there are certainly OTHER MOVEMENTS giving rise or interference to actual OPERATION of the devices you present, there is NO QUESTION concerning what is causing any type of measurable output from these devices?

Sorry pal, ain't BUYING THAT BULL SHIT TODAY...

You didn't mean to be correct, but you are accidentally correct all the same: there is no question, not any more.  There once were questions.  People with much more education than us conceived and carried out these experiments in the effort to determine the true nature of the aether: did it move with the earth (a hypothosis known as 'aether dragging') or was it a stationary fluid through which the earth moved?  Devices sensitive to the Sagnac effect at small-enough levels to detect the earth's rotation were actually attempting to measure the speed of light in prograde and retrograde directions, for the purpose of inferring the speed of the aether.  It turned out that different experimental designs produced contradictory results, some appearing to supporting aether dragging (or at least exclude fixed aether) and others supporting fixed aether (or at least excluding aether drag).  The experimental results were finally reconciled by abandoning aether entirely in favor of Special Relativity.

The Sagnac Effect measured by both the ring laser gyro and the fiber optic gyro is effective in measuring rotation about one axis of the machine.  The RLG and FOG held stationary relative to the earth's surface nevertheless measure rotation, but only when the sensitive axis is NOT oriented perpendicular to the earth's axis of rotation.  That was the point of the North, South, East, West masurements in the video.  The larger fixed units in Germany and Australia are clearly are not aligned to the earth's axis, so their measurements have to include some trigonometry to correct for that. 

Nothing in the flat earth model can explain this measured phenomenon.
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: totallackey on May 19, 2016, 11:13:37 PM
So, since there are certainly OTHER MOVEMENTS giving rise or interference to actual OPERATION of the devices you present, there is NO QUESTION concerning what is causing any type of measurable output from these devices?

Sorry pal, ain't BUYING THAT BULL SHIT TODAY...

You didn't mean to be correct, but you are accidentally correct all the same: there is no question, not any more.  There once were questions.  People with much more education than us conceived and carried out these experiments in the effort to determine the true nature of the aether: did it move with the earth (a hypothosis known as 'aether dragging') or was it a stationary fluid through which the earth moved?  Devices sensitive to the Sagnac effect at small-enough levels to detect the earth's rotation were actually attempting to measure the speed of light in prograde and retrograde directions, for the purpose of inferring the speed of the aether.  It turned out that different experimental designs produced contradictory results, some appearing to supporting aether dragging (or at least exclude fixed aether) and others supporting fixed aether (or at least excluding aether drag).  The experimental results were finally reconciled by abandoning aether entirely in favor of Special Relativity.

The Sagnac Effect measured by both the ring laser gyro and the fiber optic gyro is effective in measuring rotation about one axis of the machine.  The RLG and FOG held stationary relative to the earth's surface nevertheless measure rotation, but only when the sensitive axis is NOT oriented perpendicular to the earth's axis of rotation.  That was the point of the North, South, East, West masurements in the video.  The larger fixed units in Germany and Australia are clearly are not aligned to the earth's axis, so their measurements have to include some trigonometry to correct for that. 

Nothing in the flat earth model can explain this measured phenomenon.

And whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, there is NOTHING, and I MEAN NOTHING demonstrated about the supposed movement of the Earth by these so-called machines. Only statements issued BY THEIR CREATORS, laying CLAIM to supposed results, only influenced by supposed rotation.

All bullshit and not subjected to any form of test for falsification.
Title: Re: Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on May 19, 2016, 11:53:05 PM
So, since there are certainly OTHER MOVEMENTS giving rise or interference to actual OPERATION of the devices you present, there is NO QUESTION concerning what is causing any type of measurable output from these devices?

Sorry pal, ain't BUYING THAT BULL SHIT TODAY...

You didn't mean to be correct, but you are accidentally correct all the same: there is no question, not any more.  There once were questions.  People with much more education than us conceived and carried out these experiments in the effort to determine the true nature of the aether: did it move with the earth (a hypothosis known as 'aether dragging') or was it a stationary fluid through which the earth moved?  Devices sensitive to the Sagnac effect at small-enough levels to detect the earth's rotation were actually attempting to measure the speed of light in prograde and retrograde directions, for the purpose of inferring the speed of the aether.  It turned out that different experimental designs produced contradictory results, some appearing to supporting aether dragging (or at least exclude fixed aether) and others supporting fixed aether (or at least excluding aether drag).  The experimental results were finally reconciled by abandoning aether entirely in favor of Special Relativity.

The Sagnac Effect measured by both the ring laser gyro and the fiber optic gyro is effective in measuring rotation about one axis of the machine.  The RLG and FOG held stationary relative to the earth's surface nevertheless measure rotation, but only when the sensitive axis is NOT oriented perpendicular to the earth's axis of rotation.  That was the point of the North, South, East, West masurements in the video.  The larger fixed units in Germany and Australia are clearly are not aligned to the earth's axis, so their measurements have to include some trigonometry to correct for that. 

Nothing in the flat earth model can explain this measured phenomenon.

And whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, there is NOTHING, and I MEAN NOTHING demonstrated about the supposed movement of the Earth by these so-called machines. Only statements issued BY THEIR CREATORS, laying CLAIM to supposed results, only influenced by supposed rotation.

All bullshit and not subjected to any form of test for falsification.

Repeating the word "bullshit" over and over is not a very effective argument. Calling them liars without evidence that they are liars is not a very effective argument.

Even if they are liars, you don't have to take their word for it. You can build a pendulum and test it out yourself. Or you can do a relatively simple sun measuring experiment to measure the radius of the earth. These are very simple experiments that many many people have repeated. Don't call them liars until you have done the experiment yourself and come up with contrary results.