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Re: Trump
« Reply #7720 on: December 15, 2020, 08:24:54 PM »
So? Dumb people doing dumb things in the past doesn’t make it legitimate today.

It wasn't dumb. Congress chose the alternate electors that were submitted in Hawaii in 1960:

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CRECB-2000-pt18/html/CRECB-2000-pt18-Pg26609-2.htm

"Indeed, in 1960, Hawaii appointed two slates of electors
and Congress chose to count the one appointed on January 4, 1961, well
after the Title 3 deadlines.' (Bush v. Gore, slip opinion at 30.)"

So it wasn’t an analogous situation. Thanks for your contribution.
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« Reply #7721 on: December 16, 2020, 06:01:49 AM »
So? Dumb people doing dumb things in the past doesn’t make it legitimate today.

It wasn't dumb. Congress chose the alternate electors that were submitted in Hawaii in 1960:

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CRECB-2000-pt18/html/CRECB-2000-pt18-Pg26609-2.htm

"Indeed, in 1960, Hawaii appointed two slates of electors
and Congress chose to count the one appointed on January 4, 1961, well
after the Title 3 deadlines.' (Bush v. Gore, slip opinion at 30.)"

So it wasn’t an analogous situation. Thanks for your contribution.

Congress chose to recognize the alternate electors which were sent as the prevailing electors, stripping Hawaii from Nixon. Your argument that it was pointless or dumb to send alternate electors for Kennedy is moot. As Congress has accepted such alternate electors in the past, attempting to prevent these Trump electors from entering the building and voting certainly is disenfranchisement.

They did end up gathering and voting, outside on the state capitol grounds, however, as the Constitution does not say anything about any particular building at the capitol. The episode is just another footnote demonstrating that the Dems are thugs on the wrong side of history.

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« Reply #7722 on: December 16, 2020, 06:59:09 AM »
So? Dumb people doing dumb things in the past doesn’t make it legitimate today.

It wasn't dumb. Congress chose the alternate electors that were submitted in Hawaii in 1960:

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CRECB-2000-pt18/html/CRECB-2000-pt18-Pg26609-2.htm

"Indeed, in 1960, Hawaii appointed two slates of electors
and Congress chose to count the one appointed on January 4, 1961, well
after the Title 3 deadlines.' (Bush v. Gore, slip opinion at 30.)"

So it wasn’t an analogous situation. Thanks for your contribution.

Congress chose to recognize the alternate electors which were sent as the prevailing electors, stripping Hawaii from Nixon. Your argument that it was pointless or dumb to send alternate electors for Kennedy is moot. As Congress has accepted such alternate electors in the past, attempting to prevent these Trump electors from entering the building and voting certainly is disenfranchisement.

They did end up gathering and voting, outside on the state capitol grounds, however, as the Constitution does not say anything about any particular building at the capitol. The episode is just another footnote demonstrating that the Dems are thugs on the wrong side of history.

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The third certificate was from the Republican Governor of Hawaii
dated January 4, 1961 certifying that the Democratic electors had been
elected

You missed this part.  The "alternate" electors used were ones certified by the governor after the courts made a decision.  So by that argument, what was voted was correct and by precident.

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« Reply #7723 on: December 16, 2020, 07:48:47 AM »
Yep. The alternate electors were chosen and deigned to be the correct electors. So why should alternate electors be forcefully barred from voting by their opponents if there is precedent for them?

https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-republican-alternate-electors-barred-entry-to-michigan-capitol-for-electoral-vote

The Dems tried to forcefully prevent them from voting.

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« Reply #7724 on: December 16, 2020, 08:11:29 AM »
I’ll admit I don’t understand all the details of the US system. I know that the electors in a state generally vote for the president who won that state. I know they don’t have to but they generally do and it would do huge damage to democracy in the US if the state votes for Biden and the electors voted for Trump (or vica versa).
Just like over here an MP can change party and I don’t think they have to call a local election when they do, but that is generally what happens.

You seem to be arguing here Tom, that a State which voted for Biden should allow electors in to vote for Trump because
1) It has happened before
2) They don’t like the result
3) You don’t like the result

Now, you might say “it’s not just that I don’t like the result, I believe that my preferred candidate has had the election stolen from him”. Well ok, let’s see your evidence.

In the meme thread you posted something basically saying “there’s loads of evidence”. And I guess you’re right. But when it comes to evidence quality is more important than quantity. Yes there are lots of affidavits but they’re trash. Not just because I say so but because judges are saying so. I think we are up to nearly 60 cases now. Only one has been won and it was nothing to do with fraud. So...yeah.

Your meme mentioned “statistical impossibilities”. Well ok, let’s see them. Because data can be interpreted in many ways and the ludicrous “one in a quadrillion” number in the Supreme Court case was based on a couple of assumptions which aren’t true. If you start with a false premise then you’re going to reach a false conclusion.

So basically all you’re left with now, having been let down over the last month by all the things you’ve got excited about, is hoping that the electoral college defies the will of the people because you don’t like the outcome of the election. And you think you’re the good guys? ???
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« Reply #7725 on: December 16, 2020, 09:52:38 AM »
Yep. The alternate electors were chosen and deigned to be the correct electors. So why should alternate electors be forcefully barred from voting by their opponents if there is precedent for them?

https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-republican-alternate-electors-barred-entry-to-michigan-capitol-for-electoral-vote

The Dems tried to forcefully prevent them from voting.

But there was no pending recount or court case.  Nor was the election within a few hundred votes.
The situations were vastly different, handled vastly differently, and resolved vastly differently.

But sure, play your games.  All it does is make people like Trump get absolute power through violence.  Is that what you want?  If Trump becomes president for life and dissolves all other parties, will you finally be satisfied?
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« Reply #7726 on: December 16, 2020, 12:24:00 PM »
Yep. The alternate electors were chosen and deigned to be the correct electors. So why should alternate electors be forcefully barred from voting by their opponents if there is precedent for them?

https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-republican-alternate-electors-barred-entry-to-michigan-capitol-for-electoral-vote

The Dems tried to forcefully prevent them from voting.

But there was no pending recount or court case.  Nor was the election within a few hundred votes.
The situations were vastly different, handled vastly differently, and resolved vastly differently.

But sure, play your games.  All it does is make people like Trump get absolute power through violence.  Is that what you want?  If Trump becomes president for life and dissolves all other parties, will you finally be satisfied?

Trump’s next big brain ploy will be to show up at Biden’s inauguration with a PA system and try to swear the oath at the same time. Tom will then talk about how tyrannical Democrats are for blocking this alternative president from taking office.
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« Reply #7727 on: December 16, 2020, 12:47:16 PM »
Yep. The alternate electors were chosen and deigned to be the correct electors. So why should alternate electors be forcefully barred from voting by their opponents if there is precedent for them?

https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-republican-alternate-electors-barred-entry-to-michigan-capitol-for-electoral-vote

The Dems tried to forcefully prevent them from voting.

But there was no pending recount or court case.  Nor was the election within a few hundred votes.
The situations were vastly different, handled vastly differently, and resolved vastly differently.

But sure, play your games.  All it does is make people like Trump get absolute power through violence.  Is that what you want?  If Trump becomes president for life and dissolves all other parties, will you finally be satisfied?

Trump’s next big brain ploy will be to show up at Biden’s inauguration with a PA system and try to swear the oath at the same time. Tom will then talk about how tyrannical Democrats are for blocking this alternative president from taking office.
Or if Trump is escorted out of the WH, how dictator like and evil Dems are for forcing Trump from his home.
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« Reply #7728 on: December 16, 2020, 01:04:11 PM »
The alternate electors were chosen and deigned to be the correct electors.

By whom? What process did they go through to be chosen?
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« Reply #7729 on: December 16, 2020, 01:22:29 PM »
The alternate electors were chosen and deigned to be the correct electors.

By whom? What process did they go through to be chosen?

In the 1960s, republicans and democrats were fighting over hawaii so both groups had electors vote but congress sided with the hawiian court and, ultimately, hawiian governor's certification.
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« Reply #7730 on: December 16, 2020, 01:57:17 PM »
The alternate electors were chosen and deigned to be the correct electors.

By whom? What process did they go through to be chosen?

In the 1960s, republicans and democrats were fighting over hawaii so both groups had electors vote but congress sided with the hawiian court and, ultimately, hawiian governor's certification.

I was asking what process the alternates who were turned away in the last few days went through, though...
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« Reply #7731 on: December 16, 2020, 08:39:45 PM »
In Minnesota, another post-election challenge is dismissed with prejudice.

First Judicial District, File No. 19AV-CV-20-2183

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7732 on: December 16, 2020, 10:16:09 PM »
Finally an arrest in a voter fraud investigation!

https://mobile.twitter.com/MWatkinsTrib/status/1339014417246265345?

It’s happening! #MAGA2020 #FourMoreYears
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« Reply #7733 on: December 16, 2020, 10:19:01 PM »
"On a very clear and chilly day it is possible to see Lighthouse Beach from Lovers Point and vice versa...Upon looking into the telescope I can see children running in and out of the water, splashing and playing. I can see people sun bathing at the shore
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« Reply #7734 on: December 16, 2020, 10:52:31 PM »
The password!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55337192

lolz

I'm honestly not sure if its real or not.  That password, for Trump, sounds legit.  But Twitter making extra security, like device based logins, also makes sense.  But on the first hand... IT people are lazy and good ideas like device based logins get thrown out because its too hard/expensive.

See: security firm not updating their servers.
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« Reply #7735 on: December 16, 2020, 11:24:23 PM »
I would have thought Twitter would have MFA or some such, but Trump’s probably dumb enough not to use it so...who knows. It amused me, anyway.
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« Reply #7736 on: December 17, 2020, 03:01:57 AM »
"Maria Bartiromo dropped a bomb on her morning show. The award-winning journalist told viewers she was told by an intel source that Trump did win the 2020 election. And then she added that the Supreme Court must take the cases challenging the massive election fraud to stop the clock!"

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/boom-maria-bartiromo-intel-source-told-trump-fact-win-election-supreme-court-take-cases-stop-clock-video/

Is Maria just as crazy as J-Man, wait why didn't she say by a landslide?  Stay tuned, she will and Roundy will have his CROW !!!

Whats the DNI and this "CBS correspondent Catherine Herridge reported Wednesday that DNI John Ratcliffe told CBS “that there was foreign election interference by China, #Iran, and Russia in November of this year.”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-catherine-herridge-reports-dni-john-ratcliffe-confirmed-foreign-election-interference-china-iran-russia-november-video/

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« Reply #7737 on: December 17, 2020, 05:31:15 AM »
She was told by an intel source? Damn, I'm convinced!
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« Reply #7738 on: December 17, 2020, 05:51:41 AM »
Of course there was foreign influence.  Was some in 2016.  Probably 2012 and 2008 too.and even further back.  These are usually done in the form of media manipulation.  We had a big thing about what Russia did last year.

Hell, America does it all the time.

But influence does not mean fraud.  Also, Iran and China want Biden but Russia wants Trump so that list had two countries, who do not get along, influencing the election.  Probably with facebook memes and ads.  Maybe some super PACs.
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« Reply #7739 on: December 17, 2020, 07:00:42 AM »
"Maria Bartiromo dropped a bomb on her morning show. The award-winning journalist told viewers she was told by an intel source that Trump did win the 2020 election. And then she added that the Supreme Court must take the cases challenging the massive election fraud to stop the clock!"

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/boom-maria-bartiromo-intel-source-told-trump-fact-win-election-supreme-court-take-cases-stop-clock-video/

Is Maria just as crazy as J-Man, wait why didn't she say by a landslide?  Stay tuned, she will and Roundy will have his CROW !!!

I believe Maria's "Intel" source goes by the name 'John Baron'.